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  posted on 10/23/2019 at 08:05 PM


Nothing will ever change in regards to gun control. Ever. Your arsenal is safe and it always will be.


You must not be listening to your candidates.


Been hearing about gun control my whole life. Nothing has changed, nor will it. There's more guns than ever.


Bhawk, I've worked against "gun control" since the late 60's. Back then it was the "Ban the Saturday Night Special" mantra, except that none of that group could define what a Saturday Night Special was. The most heard answer was the "cheap" handguns. Define "cheap" since what might be cheap to those crying out for the ban could be a months' pay to most blue collar workers.
Later, when they came out with a list of the "cheap" handguns, it listed the Colt Python, Cobra, S&W M&p Model 10, S&W Model 29, and listed many handguns carried by police departments. I wonder why?
Over the years I've seen the rights of those who wish to purchase firearms eroded and sometimes outright banned due to a local regulation that as far as I'm concerned is actually un-Constitutional.
The Form 4473 that you fill out when purchasing a firearm has to have all NO answers in all question blocks.
All questions under Question 11, except 11a, direct you to violate your 5th Amendment rights (It even asks about your Marijuana use, past and present.) If you don't answer the questions correctly, you just committed a felony. If you lie on the form, you've just committed a felony. You can spend at least a year in prison and be subjected to a $25,000 fine.
I did go along with the 1968 GCA ban on mail order firearms, I did agree with the tightening of issuing FFL certificates to so called "basement dealers".
The current furor over banning magazines and black rifles is just another knee jerk reaction just to show "see, we're doing something".

Also LISTEN TO YOUR CANDIDATES about where they stand on gun bans and confiscation. You might find out who wants to abrogate the Constitution.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2019 at 08:22 PM
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I take it that you didn't read the entire post?


Wrong assumption. Your ideas didn’t seem to address the issue of stopping “would be” mass shooters, so that’s why I asked. They aren’t ever getting out of prison, so how do your tough sentences deter them?

 

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  posted on 10/23/2019 at 09:02 PM
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Nothing will ever change in regards to gun control. Ever. Your arsenal is safe and it always will be.


You must not be listening to your candidates.


Been hearing about gun control my whole life. Nothing has changed, nor will it. There's more guns than ever.


Bhawk, I've worked against "gun control" since the late 60's. Back then it was the "Ban the Saturday Night Special" mantra, except that none of that group could define what a Saturday Night Special was. The most heard answer was the "cheap" handguns. Define "cheap" since what might be cheap to those crying out for the ban could be a months' pay to most blue collar workers.
Later, when they came out with a list of the "cheap" handguns, it listed the Colt Python, Cobra, S&W M&p Model 10, S&W Model 29, and listed many handguns carried by police departments. I wonder why?
Over the years I've seen the rights of those who wish to purchase firearms eroded and sometimes outright banned due to a local regulation that as far as I'm concerned is actually un-Constitutional.
The Form 4473 that you fill out when purchasing a firearm has to have all NO answers in all question blocks.
All questions under Question 11, except 11a, direct you to violate your 5th Amendment rights (It even asks about your Marijuana use, past and present.) If you don't answer the questions correctly, you just committed a felony. If you lie on the form, you've just committed a felony. You can spend at least a year in prison and be subjected to a $25,000 fine.
I did go along with the 1968 GCA ban on mail order firearms, I did agree with the tightening of issuing FFL certificates to so called "basement dealers".
The current furor over banning magazines and black rifles is just another knee jerk reaction just to show "see, we're doing something".

Also LISTEN TO YOUR CANDIDATES about where they stand on gun bans and confiscation. You might find out who wants to abrogate the Constitution.


There are literally hundreds of millions of firearms in this country. I don’t care who says what or what party they belong to. You will always have your guns.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2019 at 10:03 PM
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I don’t care who says what or what party they belong to. You will always have your guns.


So thought the Jews in Germany.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2019 at 06:38 AM
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She seems to excel at not answering the question asked her.


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Elizabeth Warren on being asked to comment on the Death of Mollite Tibbets:


What was the question exactly? She was "asked to comment", and she did. Do you have an example of her avoiding an actual question?




 

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  posted on 10/24/2019 at 09:36 PM
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I take it that you didn't read the entire post?


Wrong assumption. Your ideas didn’t seem to address the issue of stopping “would be” mass shooters, so that’s why I asked. They aren’t ever getting out of prison, so how do your tough sentences deter them?


OK, I get it. You read it but didn't understand the words written.

Quote: How about a prison sentence of about 20 years if you use a firearm in a crime, to be served BEFORE starting the sentence for the crime? Quote

Someone who is thinking about committing a crime with a firearm, such as robbing a store, might think twice about it when presented with the fact that he would have to serve 20 years-no parole-no time off for good behavior-no release for time served-could possibly think twice before doing so.
A career criminal probably wouldn't think much of it.
BUT, it would be a start.

 

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  posted on 10/25/2019 at 06:51 AM
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OK, I get it. You read it but didn't understand the words written.


No, I understand your elementary school level writing pretty easily, trust me. But how does your sentencing idea deter a mass shooter who knows he’s going to do life in prison? Why would your 20-year idea deter?

 

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  posted on 11/1/2019 at 08:24 PM
Beto O'Rourke (announced 3/14/19)
- 46 years old, former US House member from Texas 2013-2019, lost 2018 US Senate election, formerly served on El Paso city council
https://betoorourke.com/

Quitter.

I guess people didn't really gravitate towards his "We are coming for your guns" idea....

 

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  posted on 11/2/2019 at 07:54 AM


[Edited on 11/2/2019 by Skydog32103]

 

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  posted on 11/2/2019 at 04:45 PM
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Beto O'Rourke (announced 3/14/19)
- 46 years old, former US House member from Texas 2013-2019, lost 2018 US Senate election, formerly served on El Paso city council
https://betoorourke.com/

Quitter.

I guess people didn't really gravitate towards his "We are coming for your guns" idea....


Or maybe his stance on guns is actually rather minor for many voters and his lack of life experience is a far more important factor in deciding whether to support his candidacy.


 

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  posted on 11/2/2019 at 09:48 PM
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Beto O'Rourke (announced 3/14/19)
- 46 years old, former US House member from Texas 2013-2019, lost 2018 US Senate election, formerly served on El Paso city council
https://betoorourke.com/

Quitter.

I guess people didn't really gravitate towards his "We are coming for your guns" idea....


Or maybe his stance on guns is actually rather minor for many voters and his lack of life experience is a far more important factor in deciding whether to support his candidacy.


Combination of both, his lack of "life experience" led him to naively believe that, "We are coming for your guns" was a major point that would garner votes....

Either way, he is gone. Kamala is next.

 

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  posted on 11/3/2019 at 07:07 AM
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Beto O'Rourke (announced 3/14/19)
- 46 years old, former US House member from Texas 2013-2019, lost 2018 US Senate election, formerly served on El Paso city council
https://betoorourke.com/

Quitter.

I guess people didn't really gravitate towards his "We are coming for your guns" idea....


Or maybe his stance on guns is actually rather minor for many voters and his lack of life experience is a far more important factor in deciding whether to support his candidacy.


Combination of both, his lack of "life experience" led him to naively believe that, "We are coming for your guns" was a major point that would garner votes....

Either way, he is gone. Kamala is next.


And good riddance....I felt from the first day of his candidacy that he was not qualified to be President. Ms. Harris, however, very qualified and while most likely will drop out soon as well, may well yet be on the Democratic ticket or possibly end up as Attorney General should the Democratic party take the White House.

 

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  posted on 11/4/2019 at 01:29 PM
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Over the years I've seen the rights of those who wish to purchase firearms eroded and sometimes outright banned due to a local regulation that as far as I'm concerned is actually un-Constitutional.


Where’s the problem?

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The Form 4473 that you fill out when purchasing a firearm has to have all NO answers in all question blocks.
All questions under Question 11, except 11a, direct you to violate your 5th Amendment rights (It even asks about your Marijuana use, past and present.) If you don't answer the questions correctly, you just committed a felony. If you lie on the form, you've just committed a felony. You can spend at least a year in prison and be subjected to a $25,000 fine.


You are showing us all how foolish and ineffective this process is. Relying on the honor system? How stupid.

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The current furor over banning magazines and black rifles is just another knee jerk reaction just to show "see, we're doing something".


It’s intended to reduce casualties in a mass shooting - why is that confusing?

 

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  posted on 11/4/2019 at 07:19 PM
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Over the years I've seen the rights of those who wish to purchase firearms eroded and sometimes outright banned due to a local regulation that as far as I'm concerned is actually un-Constitutional.


Where’s the problem?
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What's YOUR problem with the Constitution? Are you defending things that go against the Constitution?
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The Form 4473 that you fill out when purchasing a firearm has to have all NO answers in all question blocks.
All questions under Question 11, except 11a, direct you to violate your 5th Amendment rights (It even asks about your Marijuana use, past and present.) If you don't answer the questions correctly, you just committed a felony. If you lie on the form, you've just committed a felony. You can spend at least a year in prison and be subjected to a $25,000 fine.


You are showing us all how foolish and ineffective this process is. Relying on the honor system? How stupid.
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Not really since the info is then sent to the NCIC to do the background check.
if you answer incorrectly, you've just committed a felony. The person doing the background check is to try to delay you leaving while the LEOs are on their way.
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The current furor over banning magazines and black rifles is just another knee jerk reaction just to show "see, we're doing something".


It’s intended to reduce casualties in a mass shooting - why is that confusing?

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Sorry, but no it isn't. Haven't you noticed that the legislators KEEP banning the black rifles and magazines over and over?

 

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  posted on 11/4/2019 at 07:54 PM
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Over the years I've seen the rights of those who wish to purchase firearms eroded and sometimes outright banned due to a local regulation that as far as I'm concerned is actually un-Constitutional.


Where’s the problem?

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The Form 4473 that you fill out when purchasing a firearm has to have all NO answers in all question blocks.
All questions under Question 11, except 11a, direct you to violate your 5th Amendment rights (It even asks about your Marijuana use, past and present.) If you don't answer the questions correctly, you just committed a felony. If you lie on the form, you've just committed a felony. You can spend at least a year in prison and be subjected to a $25,000 fine.


You are showing us all how foolish and ineffective this process is. Relying on the honor system? How stupid.

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The current furor over banning magazines and black rifles is just another knee jerk reaction just to show "see, we're doing something".


It’s intended to reduce casualties in a mass shooting - why is that confusing?


"Intention"...vs.... "results"

 

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  posted on 11/4/2019 at 09:29 PM
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What's YOUR problem with the Constitution? Are you defending things that go against the Constitution?


Nowhere in the Constitution does it mandate types of arms to bear, therefore, there is nothing in the Constitution that gives citizens the right to own high-powered military weapons, such as the AR-15, in the same principle that citizens cannot own bombs and bazookas. Citing the Constitution as the reason why citizens can and should own AR-15s doesn't hold any water.

 

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  posted on 11/4/2019 at 09:54 PM
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"Intention"...vs.... "results"


If you think these clueless deranged millennial shooters would all be successful in buying machine guns on the black market, I've got some property in Florida I'd like to sell you. The right wants the U.S. to revert back to the 50s, so fine.....everyone owns their hunting rifle, a shotgun, and a few pistols, and lets call it a day.......nothing more advanced than that - true coservatism.

I love how the right claims that millennials are helpless, stupid, and weak, but think they can navigate the underground gun black market. If one of these psychos gets caught purchasing (which is highly likely), dozens of innocent lives are spared, as are their families. To object to a ban on these weapons is the height of irresponsibility.

 

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  posted on 11/4/2019 at 11:47 PM
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"Intention"...vs.... "results"


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If you think these clueless deranged millennial shooters


"clueless deranged" as in "Mental Health issues"?

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To object to a ban on these weapons is the height of irresponsibility.


I object to a "ban" of any kind. All this grandstanding and you, nor ANYONE on the Democratic side of the fence can offer a solution about how to keep these weapons OUT of the hands of CRIMINALS.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2019 at 02:35 AM
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I object to a "ban" of any kind. All this grandstanding and you, nor ANYONE on the Democratic side of the fence can offer a solution about how to keep these weapons OUT of the hands of CRIMINALS.


Are you aware we ban tons of things? And sorry that I, nor the Democrats, can figure out how to stop the black market, lol. Can you? Or Trump? No civilization since the beginning of time has stopped it, wake up.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2019 at 05:46 AM
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I object to a "ban" of any kind. All this grandstanding and you, nor ANYONE on the Democratic side of the fence can offer a solution about how to keep these weapons OUT of the hands of CRIMINALS.


Are you aware we ban tons of things? And sorry that I, nor the Democrats, can figure out how to stop the black market, lol. Can you? Or Trump? No civilization since the beginning of time has stopped it, wake up.


Therein lies the dilemma; the knee jerk reaction of the Democratic party with this image that doing "something" (a 'ban') is better than doing nothing. As long as there is a 'Black market", banning weapons is just a band aid on an amputation.

Wake up.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2019 at 09:28 AM
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Therein lies the dilemma; the knee jerk reaction of the Democratic party with this image that doing "something" (a 'ban') is better than doing nothing. As long as there is a 'Black market", banning weapons is just a band aid on an amputation.

Wake up.


If you think it’s wise to sell AR-15s to anyone without a criminal record, then feel free.

You take any topic being discussed and turn it into “its the Democrats.” Is that all you got?

 

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I object to a "ban" of any kind. All this grandstanding and you, nor ANYONE on the Democratic side of the fence can offer a solution about how to keep these weapons OUT of the hands of CRIMINALS.


Are you aware we ban tons of things? And sorry that I, nor the Democrats, can figure out how to stop the black market, lol. Can you? Or Trump? No civilization since the beginning of time has stopped it, wake up.


Therein lies the dilemma; the knee jerk reaction of the Democratic party with this image that doing "something" (a 'ban') is better than doing nothing. As long as there is a 'Black market", banning weapons is just a band aid on an amputation.

Wake up.


Can we use that same argument when we talk about abortions? Why bother to make them illegal, since people will still get them on the black market.

 

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I object to a "ban" of any kind. All this grandstanding and you, nor ANYONE on the Democratic side of the fence can offer a solution about how to keep these weapons OUT of the hands of CRIMINALS.


Are you aware we ban tons of things? And sorry that I, nor the Democrats, can figure out how to stop the black market, lol. Can you? Or Trump? No civilization since the beginning of time has stopped it, wake up.


Therein lies the dilemma; the knee jerk reaction of the Democratic party with this image that doing "something" (a 'ban') is better than doing nothing. As long as there is a 'Black market", banning weapons is just a band aid on an amputation.

Wake up.


Can we use that same argument when we talk about abortions? Why bother to make them illegal, since people will still get them on the black market.


You certainly could simply because that is the History here. Remember Prohibition? The paradigm on guns must change, until it does, we'll have this issue. Add, this is (Paradigm) exactly what the "Global warming" crowd is attempting, is it not?

 

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  posted on 11/5/2019 at 10:48 AM
Booze was illegal during Prohibition, people still found a way to tie one on
Drugs, same thing - heck even music, w/all the underground bootleg recordings etc
I’ve participated in the latter 2 - & was glad I did
But as long as the call for it is there, the black market will always thrive (always has) - just be ready to flash-e the Cash

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  posted on 11/5/2019 at 10:33 PM
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