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  posted on 7/1/2019 at 09:54 PM
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Jun 23, 2019 - President Donald Trump dismissed the plight of migrant children housed in U.S. detention centers and falsely claimed that his predecessor enacted a policy to separate kids from their caregivers after they illegally cross the border. Asked in an interview broadcast Sunday about ...


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It isn't the fault of law enforcement that people get separated. It's the fault of the perpetrator. If someone enters this country illegally and knows he's in the country illegally and is found to be in the country illegally and is ordered removed from the country and chooses to have a child in this country that's a U.S. citizen by virtue of birth, he put himself in that position, so ICE is not separating that family.


Thomas Homan, Obama’s executive associate director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement

 

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  posted on 7/1/2019 at 10:53 PM
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It isn't the fault of law enforcement that people get separated. It's the fault of the perpetrator. If someone enters this country illegally and knows he's in the country illegally and is found to be in the country illegally and is ordered removed from the country and chooses to have a child in this country that's a U.S. citizen by virtue of birth, he put himself in that position, so ICE is not separating that family.


a classic “if x then z” charade by Homan, who conveniently made that comment after Obama left office. “if it’s not law enforcement’s fault, it must be the migrants.” what fool believes there are no other options? the leader should also be in the discussion, especially since one chose to decriminalize migrants, and the other chose to criminalize them.


Here's my issue with that sentiment.

"Are illegal immigrants breaking the Law"?

Then they have zero right to complain about the consequences

 

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 08:19 AM
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Here's my issue with that sentiment.

"Are illegal immigrants breaking the Law"?

Then they have zero right to complain about the consequences


migrants seeking asylum are not illegal immigrants. that’s a pretty big distinction that we must make if we want to be responsible.




Think "seeking asylum" has become a "loophole"?....Now they have to be processed and tell me, where do you keep this many "asylum seekers"? That is over 140,000 in one month. Only a Democrat would argue that is our "obligation" to care for these people and every Candidate at that debate raised their hand in support of these "asylum seekers" receiving free health care.....

Way to hand the WH right back to them man you despise

Btw, thae above graph is from the Dept of Homeland security/U.S. customs and border protection. But as you Dems like to say "It's a manufactured crises"!

 

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 09:34 AM
If they are in US custody they are entitled to humane treatment.
 

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 11:21 AM
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If they are in US custody they are entitled to humane treatment.


You are correct, but Trumpco would take exception. Compassion at its best.

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/trump-administration-argues-detained-migrant-chi ldren-may-not-necessarily-need-soap-toothbrushes

"Trump administration argues detained migrant children may not necessarily need soap, toothbrushes"

 

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 11:27 AM
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Only a Democrat would argue that is our "obligation" to care for these people


good grief. i think I’ll exit the conversation now.

to clarify for everyone on the board Obama in no way did the same things Trump is doing regarding family separations. anyone suggesting this is irresponsibly failing to acknowledge a major distinction in policy, in an attempt to deflect and smear.


Wrong, the Obama policy was to separate children from adults when there was no documentation stating the accompanying adults were the Parents. As time has passed and the border and its facilities continue to be overwhelmed, this is just one more loophole illegal immigrants are exploiting.

 

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 11:28 AM
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If they are in US custody they are entitled to humane treatment.


Agreed, until they can be humanely returned to the border

 

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 11:36 AM
They should and will be afforded basic comfort, adequate nutrition and medical care while detained on US soil. Even our prisons provide this.

Playing the blame game and arguing about legal status does not change the reality that is occurring. The US has to care for these people when they are detained.

The only obvious alternative is immoral, inhumane, unAmerican, and anyone who supports it is a dirty nazi.

 

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 11:55 AM
If children are separated from their parents and unable to be reunited then they are wards of the US. Automatic citizenship. You break it, you buy it.

[Edited on 7/2/2019 by BrerRabbit]

 

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 12:02 PM
I'm not really sure why this is an issue or a even a question. Any home owner knows that if something is on your property, you're likely responsible for it. That's why the U.S. has been deporting illegal immigrants consistently under every administration.

So, if you're an illegal immigrant and you end up at the hospital, you'll most likely be reported to INS and deported because they take your information upon admittance. That means it's not like there are illegal immigrants getting comfortable long-term stays while receiving expensive cancer treatment or liver transplant surgeries and sending the bill to tax payers/insurance companies. They are avoiding hospitals and clinics if they can because they get documented

But, if an illegal immigrant is in a car wreck, he's going to be treated because that's the humane, hippocratic thing to do. Once healed, likely deported, so it's not likely we can give him (or his country of origin) a hospital bill on his way out. It happened on our property, you mitigate the damage.

Sadly, thanks to the profit-driven U.S. Health Insurance industry, there are plenty of citizens who can't afford their emergency medical bills, which should be the actual issue.

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 12:16 PM
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I'm not really sure why this is an issue or a even a question.


Same here. But conditions for detainees are deteriorating, so reality is kicking in - if we don't like the idea of concentration camps then we are going to have to regard this situation as a necessary expense.

 

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 01:11 PM

That's right, no way around it. It is a crisis. It is real. It is happening. We either handle it with justice and compassion, incurring expense in the process, or we incur expense in "final solution" tactics that will cost plenty too, and infinitely more costly in loss of national character.

 

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 03:37 PM
Incompetent leadership did not create this situation, it didn't start last year, or ten years ago or twenty, this is the end result of a century of Banana Republic economies tanking and gangster rule. These people are running for their lives, not just coming here to rip us off.

I was referring to the very real ongoing humanitarian crisis of influx of people, worsening conditions for detainees, this is going to get a lot worse if remedial action isn't taken.

These are human beings going down, right now, they need help and the USA is paralyzed by debate.


 

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 04:52 PM
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That's right, no way around it. It is a crisis. It is real. It is happening.


the earlier graphic shows an increase in apprehensions. it does not represent the number of people attempting to cross. this means the administration stormed into battle without an adequate plan. if they want to lead a surge in apprehensions i’m all for it, but a good leader would’ve implemented the proper infrastructure first in an attempt to be humane. incompetent leadership, which lead to the deaths of several children, is the only crisis.


Strategic planning is not the way Trump manages. Good planning in support of policy is a given but not for a president that manages by impulse and by tweet. Leadership does not mean waking up in the A.M. and taking cues from the Fox & Friends Morning Show lackeys nor from bedtime chats with Sean Hannity - seriously. Real management is not nepotism & does not come from the input of your closest advisors - your daughter & son in law who have no background in domestic nor global issues other than making photo ops.

Look at the constant turnover in Trump's cabinet and the unprecedented number of positions unfilled at this point in an administration. What do people expect from a guy who ran a family real estate business that got elected on bluster and raising fears built on racism and nationalism? You certainly couldn't have expected more if you voted for or support Trump. MAGA = caveat emptor.


 

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 05:30 PM
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if we don't like the idea of concentration camps


Really?...You're going to take it that far and compare the situation at the border to Treblinka & Mauthausen?

 

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 05:32 PM
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These are human beings going down, right now, they need help and the USA is paralyzed by debate.


There are homeless U.S. Veterans sleeping in the streets who need our help.

Priorities?

 

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These are human beings going down, right now, they need help and the USA is paralyzed by debate.


There are homeless U.S. Veterans sleeping in the streets who need our help.

Priorities?


Sure are. Have been for decades now. What is being done about that?

 

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 06:13 PM
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Really?...You're going to take it that far and compare the situation at the border to Treblinka & Mauthausen?


Don't mind me. Just viewing the situation objectively and doing some simple arithmetic. As it stands at the present moment of course not. It's called extrapolation - looking at a situation and projecting with known factors. The way it is going, lots and lots of people requiring lockup, absolutely yes, it will require concentration camps to handle. They won't necessarily be as harsh as Treblinka, but could easily be comparable to past US concentration camps such as the Japanese holding facilities, or early Indian reservations - which btw is where Hitler got the idea for wholesale roundup and detention of entire populations. Lots and lots of people, mass incarceration, simple really.

Children separated from parents living in stinking cages with no protection and no rights, what do you think is happening right now to them? You know what, I don't care if you don't care, but I want to see America come through for these people.

Re your homeless veterans, yes, extremely important as well, it is a big country, sometimes we have to deal with more than one thing at a time.

Or just go into deep denial have endless arguments and vent on politicians, that's always good.

 

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 06:20 PM
What are you going to tell St. Peter when he asks you what you supported in response to this?
 

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 06:21 PM
"They won't necessarily be as harsh as Treblinka"

I still do not understand how you can even mention these horrific places in comparison to what is happening at the border....

You ought to be ashamed

 

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 06:29 PM
https://youtu.be/aMSmoNOZJ9Y

This is why Trump will be re-elected and I'm guessing you'll see this in more than a few re-election commercials....

Fools

 

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 06:30 PM
Yeah, this is why I avoid you. I'm posting here out of genuine concern and get told to be ashamed.

Just wait, mark my words, this is heading towards concentration camps. Germans who were saying that death camps existed or might exist during WW2 were probably greeted with similar shock. If it is shameful to look directly at reality and put two and two together, then I guess I am shameless.

Way I see it, right now America has a golden opportunity to make good on its reputation, show the world that we are still heroes, and we take care of ourselves and others. Or go down in history as a bunch of heartless bastards like Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia.

 

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Yeah, this is why I avoid you. I'm posting here out of genuine concern and get told to be ashamed.


Your "genuine concern" compared the plight of 6 Million Jews who were put to death in gas chambers with people who have overwhelmed our resources at the border. If that needs to be explained to you at all, I stand by my words, you ought to be ashamed.


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Just wait, mark my words, this is heading towards concentration camps.


Thought we should save this gem

 

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 06:36 PM
Anyway, you brought up Treblinka. So don't go after me for saying concentration camps. You put a lot of people in detention without due process its a concentration camp. The US has done it before, with the Japanese in WW2, like I said the early Indian reservations, those were concentration camps. I didn't say they were going to be full on death camps.
 

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 06:40 PM
You're starting to sound like Muleman. You can't run from your conscience so easy, you know there is some bad stuff going on down there.




 
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