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  posted on 6/28/2019 at 06:22 AM
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Democrats all stand firm on roe vs wade. K. Gillibrand wins the round.


Are you against a woman's right to choose?

 

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  posted on 6/28/2019 at 06:31 AM
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Thank god I dont have cable.


I am watching this comedy show on-line...

If you like comedy, you'd probably have gotten much more comedic entertainment out of Trump at the G20 yesterday where "Trump tells Putin playfully: 'Don't meddle in the election.' Putin laughs".

Comedy gold. What a riot. Not sure why Trump & Putin would even mention Russian meddling. After all, Trump takes the side of all his intel agencies over a former KGB chief, doesn't he?

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Democrats dont need a fresh new face, they need a moderate. The Colorado older guy seemed to get the closest to the left of center. The others are far left.


You seem very informed of who the candidates are - "the Colorado older guy".

 

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Democrats lean hard to say cops all suffer from systemic racism. Reparations are being dangled to the black community. The old white guys on the stage are doing the " I'm not racist " dance. Kamala Harris wins the race segment.


She just kicked Joe's butt all over that stage, the man is going to have a hard time out running his past...


Not really.

By the way, what % of the non-white vote did Trump take in the previous election? Do you think he can expand upon that minute %? Any thought as to why he gets so little support from non-whites?

He will have have a hard time running from his past, present, and future racist thoughts & statements.

Remember Charlottesville and "good people on both sides"?

Remember The Central Park 5? "After their arrests, the five were violently interrogated and deprived of food and sleep, and they ultimately offered a coerced confession. Trump then took out a full-page ad in a number of newspapers calling for their execution. More than a decade after the exoneration of five black and Latino teens accused of raping a woman in Central Park, President Donald Trump indicated on Tuesday that he still doesn’t accept their innocence. Nor does he think he owes them an apology for publicly calling for their executions."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/18/18684217/trump-central-pa rk-5-netflix


 

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Bernie rants about capitalism. Democrats pledge to end a bunch of stuff that has no impact on the average American.


I love all the talk about what they are going to do with absolutely no mention as to where the money is going to come from.....


Kamala got mad when she was asked about how proposals would be paid for, responding to the effect 'Republicans didn't have to say how they would pay for their plan(s)'...and still didn't explain where the money comes from.

I didn't make it through this whole debate, I wanted to, but fell asleep with maybe 30 minutes to go.

Just like Wednesday evening, the current Senators give the appearance of being most prepared, experienced and knowledgeable on the issues, which shouldn't be surprising, but unlike the first debate where I thought that Castro really broke through, I didn't see any non-Senator have a moment like that. The 3 Senators, Buttigieg and Biden made is extremely difficult for anyone else to get much time in. Nobody throws elbows and buts in like de Blasio so for the 5 underdogs last night I didn't see one that made a mark. I was interested to see how Hickenlooper would do, he just didn't get much time. 4 of the 6 candidates who spoke under 1000 words were in the second debate (Yang, Inslee, de Blasio, Hickenlooper, Swallwell, Williamson). Yang said 594 words. He had 2 minutes 56 seconds I believe. That is really a shame, to meet the criteria to make it into a 2 hour debate and you get less than 3 minutes.


 

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Bernie rants about capitalism. Democrats pledge to end a bunch of stuff that has no impact on the average American.


I love all the talk about what they are going to do with absolutely no mention as to where the money is going to come from.....


Kamala got mad when she was asked about how proposals would be paid for, responding to the effect 'Republicans didn't have to say how they would pay for their plan(s)'...and still didn't explain where the money comes from.

I didn't make it through this whole debate, I wanted to, but fell asleep with maybe 30 minutes to go.

Just like Wednesday evening, the current Senators give the appearance of being most prepared, experienced and knowledgeable on the issues, which shouldn't be surprising, but unlike the first debate where I thought that Castro really broke through, I didn't see any non-Senator have a moment like that. The 3 Senators, Buttigieg and Biden made is extremely difficult for anyone else to get much time in. Nobody throws elbows and buts in like de Blasio so for the 5 underdogs last night I didn't see one that made a mark. I was interested to see how Hickenlooper would do, he just didn't get much time. 4 of the 6 candidates who spoke under 1000 words were in the second debate (Yang, Inslee, de Blasio, Hickenlooper, Swallwell, Williamson). Yang said 594 words. He had 2 minutes 56 seconds I believe. That is really a shame, to meet the criteria to make it into a 2 hour debate and you get less than 3 minutes.




Good perspective.

The Dems need to pair the numbers down quickly so viewers / audience can get a bit more focus on issues than having 20 on stage and a few in the wings. Realistically, there are probably only 4 or 5 with the money & support to mount serious campaigns. Most of the others are looking to expand name recognition and play for the future.

 

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If a undocumented person is hit by a car while walking across the street and has several broken bones. do you just let them lie there or do you call for help?


You and I are not cut from the same cloth. Obviously no one deserves to suffer, but one should not be rewarded for breaking the law. Billed in full for services provided; wages attached to secure payment for services provided, then deported.

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If you call for help who do you think is paying when they're taken to the hospital? Right now who do you think pays for it??


Taxpayer money and don't hand me this "He pays taxes" routine. He is here illegally and therefore all of the actions said individual is "participating" in are illegal.

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If you don't call for help I'd have to question your lack of ethics, moral and humanity. Just wondering if you consider yourself a christian?


Nicely played, the old guilt trip argument. Either the Law means something or it does not and by the show of hands from last night's debate, the law means zero.

 

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Democrats lean hard to say cops all suffer from systemic racism. Reparations are being dangled to the black community. The old white guys on the stage are doing the " I'm not racist " dance. Kamala Harris wins the race segment.


She just kicked Joe's butt all over that stage, the man is going to have a hard time out running his past...


Not really.

By the way, what % of the non-white vote did Trump take in the previous election? Do you think he can expand upon that minute %? Any thought as to why he gets so little support from non-whites?

He will have have a hard time running from his past, present, and future racist thoughts & statements.

Remember Charlottesville and "good people on both sides"?

Remember The Central Park 5? "After their arrests, the five were violently interrogated and deprived of food and sleep, and they ultimately offered a coerced confession. Trump then took out a full-page ad in a number of newspapers calling for their execution. More than a decade after the exoneration of five black and Latino teens accused of raping a woman in Central Park, President Donald Trump indicated on Tuesday that he still doesn’t accept their innocence. Nor does he think he owes them an apology for publicly calling for their executions."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/18/18684217/trump-central-pa rk-5-netflix


Was President Trump a participant in last night's debate?..Or was it Joe Biden on stage with egg all over his face and his feet on fire after Kamala Harris took him to task about his voting past?

And btw, even though I disagree with almost all of her politics, she certainly looks like the new front runner to me.

 

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Democrats lean hard to say cops all suffer from systemic racism. Reparations are being dangled to the black community. The old white guys on the stage are doing the " I'm not racist " dance. Kamala Harris wins the race segment.


She just kicked Joe's butt all over that stage, the man is going to have a hard time out running his past...


Not really.

By the way, what % of the non-white vote did Trump take in the previous election? Do you think he can expand upon that minute %? Any thought as to why he gets so little support from non-whites?

He will have have a hard time running from his past, present, and future racist thoughts & statements.

Remember Charlottesville and "good people on both sides"?

Remember The Central Park 5? "After their arrests, the five were violently interrogated and deprived of food and sleep, and they ultimately offered a coerced confession. Trump then took out a full-page ad in a number of newspapers calling for their execution. More than a decade after the exoneration of five black and Latino teens accused of raping a woman in Central Park, President Donald Trump indicated on Tuesday that he still doesn’t accept their innocence. Nor does he think he owes them an apology for publicly calling for their executions."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/18/18684217/trump-central-pa rk-5-netflix


Was President Trump a participant in last night's debate?..Or was it Joe Biden on stage with egg all over his face and his feet on fire after Kamala Harris took him to task about his voting past?

And btw, even though I disagree with almost all of her politics, she certainly looks like the new front runner to me.


The existing incumbent is always onstage in an opposing party's debate. This is especially the case of a racist president supported by the likes of David Duke. In addition, hate crimes are up during the Trump presidency...coincidence or cause and effect? Do you believe Trump to be a racist...simple answer - yes or no?

Kamala Harris - the new front runner? I give you a 1 in a 100 chance of that. Watch the numbers and see them prove you wrong.

 

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The existing incumbent is always onstage in an opposing party's debate. This is especially the case of a racist president supported by the likes of David Duke. In addition, hate crimes are up during the Trump presidency...coincidence or cause and effect? Do you believe Trump to be a racist...simple answer - yes or no?

Kamala Harris - the new front runner? I give you a 1 in a 100 chance of that. Watch the numbers and see them prove you wrong.


I do not and will never by into the Liberal hyperbole that to disagree with them places you in a category.....So, no, I do not believe he is a racist.

Biden is old and is dragging his past around with him like an ankle bracelet weighing close to a ton. Harris is a bulldog who has drawn blood and will become even more aggressive as these debates increase in frequency.

I will take that wager and place a $5 on it.

 

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I tend to think that Kamala can and will elevate.

Martin, why do you think she will not become a front-runner? Are you taking the angle that "America" isn't ready for a black woman President? I think if we limited poll respondents to "likely Democrat voters" that she has potential to poll quite well, perhaps a leading role at some point.

I don't have anything against Biden, I think he could be fine in the role of POTUS. One thing that really seemed odd last night, 3x I believe, there must be some kind of light that the candidates can see when their time is up or when a commercial break is coming, 3 times I think, Biden stopped talking dead in his tracks and yielded - almost like he was relieved to be "saved by the bell" or something. It was really odd. Not a great night for Joe and I am kind of pessimistic that these debates are going to help him much.

 

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I tend to think that Kamala can and will elevate.

Martin, why do you think she will not become a front-runner? Are you taking the angle that "America" isn't ready for a black woman President? I think if we limited poll respondents to "likely Democrat voters" that she has potential to poll quite well, perhaps a leading role at some point.

I don't have anything against Biden, I think he could be fine in the role of POTUS. One thing that really seemed odd last night, 3x I believe, there must be some kind of light that the candidates can see when their time is up or when a commercial break is coming, 3 times I think, Biden stopped talking dead in his tracks and yielded - almost like he was relieved to be "saved by the bell" or something. It was really odd. Not a great night for Joe and I am kind of pessimistic that these debates are going to help him much.


I'm one of those who choose words carefully. The original question by bigv was "Kamala Harris - the new front runner?" To me this is <> to your question, "why do you think she will not become a front-runner?" There is a difference here between "a front runner" and "the front runner". My initial response was an implication that as a result of this debate she will not overtake Biden. In time...maybe...we'll see.

Your next question - "Are you taking the angle that "America" isn't ready for a black woman President?" Response - no, or at least I hope not. She is quite skilled in prosecuting issues as witnessed when she took apart Attorney General Barr when he testified before the Senate as well as her performance last night. Quite frankly, it would be better than reality TV to see her eat Trump's lunch in a debate. She appears to be quite strong, and I doubt Trump could handle her. She's too quick & too smart for him. I suspect she would be much much stronger on stage opposing Trump than HC. If she is the nominee, she certainly has my vote. I would like to see her on the ticket as prez or VP nominee.

We'll see where the next polls take us. Who knows as dynamics potentially shift as result of events such as debates. They evolve. My gut tells me Biden remains at the top possibly dropping a few % points, Warren gains maybe enough to surpass Bernie, and that Harris gains. The actual numbers in the next polls (plural) will be interesting.

 

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I guess you don't realize how racist that is but I'll just allow you to think you're trying to be funny...sad example of American values and brings your credibility level to minus numbers

 

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I'm one of those who choose words carefully. The original question by bigv was "Kamala Harris - the new front runner?" To me this is <> to your question, "why do you think she will not become a front-runner?" There is a difference here between "a front runner" and "the front runner". My initial response was an implication that as a result of this debate she will not overtake Biden. In time...maybe...we'll see.

Your next question - "Are you taking the angle that "America" isn't ready for a black woman President?" Response - no, or at least I hope not. She is quite skilled in prosecuting issues as witnessed when she took apart Attorney General Barr when he testified before the Senate as well as her performance last night. Quite frankly, it would be better than reality TV to see her eat Trump's lunch in a debate. She appears to be quite strong, and I doubt Trump could handle her. She's too quick & too smart for him. I suspect she would be much much stronger on stage opposing Trump than HC. If she is the nominee, she certainly has my vote. I would like to see her on the ticket as prez or VP nominee.

We'll see where the next polls take us. Who knows as dynamics potentially shift as result of events such as debates. They evolve. My gut tells me Biden remains at the top possibly dropping a few % points, Warren gains maybe enough to surpass Bernie, and that Harris gains. The actual numbers in the next polls (plural) will be interesting.


Good explanation behind your answer.


 

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I guess you don't realize how racist that is but I'll just allow you to think you're trying to be funny...sad example of American values and brings your credibility level to minus numbers


"Don't realize"?...or simply disagree?...and you are correct, I think it's hilarious and speaks directly to what these people feel they are attempting to project.

 

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  posted on 6/29/2019 at 08:37 AM
all this back and forth reminds me of an old saying: you will never reach higher ground if you are always pushing others down.
 

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i have to be honest that i have not watched the debates yet. politics got way too ugly for me halfway through the obama administration, and i haven't been able to get back into it since. if the democrats launch into a steady stream of trump-bashing, they are sure to lose again. they'd be wise to take a page from obama's playbook by paying no mind to the tantrum-throwing child. but i don't have faith that a strong enough democratic candidate will emerge. it will take something special to defeat trump, and i'm not sure that anyone in this pack is that special.




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If the democrats launch into a steady stream of trump-bashing, they are sure to lose again.


Agreed. Rise above it, sell and market your ideas and beliefs. Weave new thoughts into a more centrist core.

 

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i have to be honest that i have not watched the debates yet. politics got way too ugly for me halfway through the obama administration, and i haven't been able to get back into it since. if the democrats launch into a steady stream of trump-bashing, they are sure to lose again. they'd be wise to take a page from obama's playbook by paying no mind to the tantrum-throwing child. but i don't have faith that a strong enough democratic candidate will emerge. it will take something special to defeat trump, and i'm not sure that anyone in this pack is that special.




[Edited on 6/29/2019 by Skydog32103]


I've mentioned before but applicable here again. My belief is that the 2018 midterms which were a referendum will carry over to the general election. Voters came out in record numbers to show their disdain for Trump & his policies. He said he was on the ballot at many stump speeches until his backed candidates lost. Then, of course he distanced himself from the losers. The amount of anti Trump sentiment across multiple sectors of the population from suburban women, to Latinos, to LGBT, to pro choice, to etc. will hopefully mobilize and turn out in record numbers to deprive him of a second term.

I believe that the Democrats need a good candidate but they don't even need a great candidate to defeat Trump. The theory is that Trump's words and actions are the best candidate that the Democrats have. With polarization already baked in, there is only a thin slice of voters that need to be flipped to show Trump an exit. He won 3 mid-western / similar states by < 100K votes total. That alone is doable to make a difference.

If the country has not seen enough of him - his lack of character, his affinity to dictators, his bigotry, his misogyny, his white nationalism, his conflicts of interest, his cesspool of an inner circle, and his self-created daily chaos, then we deserve what we get if the voters put him back in office for a second term.

 

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i have to be honest that i have not watched the debates yet. politics got way too ugly for me halfway through the obama administration, and i haven't been able to get back into it since. if the democrats launch into a steady stream of trump-bashing, they are sure to lose again. they'd be wise to take a page from obama's playbook by paying no mind to the tantrum-throwing child. but i don't have faith that a strong enough democratic candidate will emerge. it will take something special to defeat trump, and i'm not sure that anyone in this pack is that special.

[Edited on 6/29/2019 by Skydog32103]


I've mentioned before but applicable here again. My belief is that the 2018 midterms which were a referendum will carry over to the general election. Voters came out in record numbers to show their disdain for Trump & his policies. He said he was on the ballot at many stump speeches until his backed candidates lost. Then, of course he distanced himself from the losers. The amount of anti Trump sentiment across multiple sectors of the population from suburban women, to Latinos, to LGBT, to pro choice, to etc. will hopefully mobilize and turn out in record numbers to deprive him of a second term.

I believe that the Democrats need a good candidate but they don't even need a great candidate to defeat Trump. The theory is that Trump's words and actions are the best candidate that the Democrats have. With polarization already baked in, there is only a thin slice of voters that need to be flipped to show Trump an exit. He won 3 mid-western / similar states by < 100K votes total. That alone is doable to make a difference.

If the country has not seen enough of him - his lack of character, his affinity to dictators, his bigotry, his misogyny, his white nationalism, his conflicts of interest, his cesspool of an inner circle, and his self-created daily chaos, then we deserve what we get if the voters put him back in office for a second term.


I don't think the Democrats need anyone special, they just need to keep from shooting themselves in the foot, as they are prone to do. The Republicans are great about showing up and voting for whoever has an (R) behind their name. Democrats, not so much. The Bernie or bust type voters are far more common in the Democratic party. Lots of Democrats seem to decide not to show up if their candidate isn't exactly what they are hoping for. The hack on the DNC is what cost Hillary the last election. It could happen again. Never, ever underestimate the Democrats ability to blow an election. Keep in mind, we are only talking about a handful of states that matter here. If the Democratic candidate appeals to Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Virginia, they win. Otherwise, Trump gets another 4 more years. It matters not if Trump gets less than 40% of the vote, as he is most popular in states where nobody lives.

 

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i have to be honest that i have not watched the debates yet. politics got way too ugly for me halfway through the obama administration, and i haven't been able to get back into it since. if the democrats launch into a steady stream of trump-bashing, they are sure to lose again. they'd be wise to take a page from obama's playbook by paying no mind to the tantrum-throwing child. but i don't have faith that a strong enough democratic candidate will emerge. it will take something special to defeat trump, and i'm not sure that anyone in this pack is that special.

[Edited on 6/29/2019 by Skydog32103]


I've mentioned before but applicable here again. My belief is that the 2018 midterms which were a referendum will carry over to the general election. Voters came out in record numbers to show their disdain for Trump & his policies. He said he was on the ballot at many stump speeches until his backed candidates lost. Then, of course he distanced himself from the losers. The amount of anti Trump sentiment across multiple sectors of the population from suburban women, to Latinos, to LGBT, to pro choice, to etc. will hopefully mobilize and turn out in record numbers to deprive him of a second term.

I believe that the Democrats need a good candidate but they don't even need a great candidate to defeat Trump. The theory is that Trump's words and actions are the best candidate that the Democrats have. With polarization already baked in, there is only a thin slice of voters that need to be flipped to show Trump an exit. He won 3 mid-western / similar states by < 100K votes total. That alone is doable to make a difference.

If the country has not seen enough of him - his lack of character, his affinity to dictators, his bigotry, his misogyny, his white nationalism, his conflicts of interest, his cesspool of an inner circle, and his self-created daily chaos, then we deserve what we get if the voters put him back in office for a second term.


It matters not if Trump gets less than 40% of the vote, as he is most popular in states where nobody lives.


Good point. Now we're talking. This all makes perfectly good sense. Trump wins and "is most popular in states where nobody lives." That leaves the millions of illegals in remaining states that voted against Trump. These are the illegals that Trump kept telling us about, and the only reason he didn't win the popular vote. Not gonna happen this time, as the wall he promised will keep them out this time. Fewer illegals = less votes for the Dems.

 

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Did anyone catch any of the debates this past week? I didn't but of course heard Kamala Harris garnered the most attention by most accounts...I don't agree with her entire platform, but like her intelligence and toughness. I'm also glad she called out Biden (who I'm not a big fan of) on some of his past stances on issues.


 

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Did anyone catch any of the debates this past week? I didn't but of course heard Kamala Harris garnered the most attention by most accounts...I don't agree with her entire platform, but like her intelligence and toughness. I'm also glad she called out Biden (who I'm not a big fan of) on some of his past stances on issues.


I have watched every minute. My honest take is that these Candidates are going to keep trying to pound a square peg into a round hole because " this is what we do"

 

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Did anyone catch any of the debates this past week? I didn't but of course heard Kamala Harris garnered the most attention by most accounts...I don't agree with her entire platform, but like her intelligence and toughness. I'm also glad she called out Biden (who I'm not a big fan of) on some of his past stances on issues.


I have watched every minute. My honest take is that these Candidates are going to keep trying to pound a square peg into a round hole because " this is what we do"


The bigger question is who is Trump's next victim of pounding his peg into a hole. Remember, he never met any of his victims.

 
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