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  posted on 1/11/2019 at 07:32 PM
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Yes 880,000 are not getting paid, they have real problems, and I think the states and local communities could try to come up with something to help them with their bills during this terrible time, but that is only one part of the problem.
[Edited on 1/12/2019 by gina]


Why should states and local communities pay for a self-inflicted and failed promise Trump made that Mexico would pay for the Trump wall, and now he sees that's not happening. All who drink from his cup have been bamboozled. How does it taste, Gina?

Drump said he'd own the shutdown...so your beef is with him. Why don't you contact the White House & let them know that he let you down.

He's dug quite a hole for himself and can't find a way out.

 

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Chuck and Nsncy have been in Congress over 50 years. What have they done about the issue. Nothing. YOU should be ashsmed.

 

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I've always noticed and even commented here a time or two, that most of the conservative's here in Good 'Ol Red Indiana, seem to be overly stimulated by fear, overreact to threats and just generally seem terrified of things? Now we have scientific and fact based evidence to explain why this phenomenon exists........Peace.........joe

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There are "emotionally damaged souls" on both sides of the fence who have equal disdain for their lives.......


No kidding. I posted about Trump Derangement Syndrome just a day or two ago. What is your point Mr. Defensive?

 

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Here is the part I don't get. Illegal crossings are down already - way down, and have been going down for over a decade. There are over 1 million fewer illegals living in the US today than in 2007. So why is this a crisis right now? Why doesn't Trump just declare victory that is policies have been working, take credit, and move on? Trend lines haven't kept him from taking credit for the economy, so why isn't he just declaring victory for the drop in illegal immigration and moving on?


You are right, that illegal alien apprehensions are down from their historic peak. However, it is also true that the trend line is increasing now. Apprehensions bottomed to under 20,000 per month in the spring of 2017; since then the numbers have been steadily climbing as high as 3x.

In this chart you can see the recent history trend lines and also where FY2019 has started:



Ironically, CBP website is not updated due to the shutdown, but DHS has the December apprehensions/ inadmissibles for FY2019 were 60,782 marking the third straight month exceeding 60,000. Inadmissibles are those turned away at ports of entry, which average about 10,000 a month. This makes the captures between ports roughly 50,000 each month so far this FY, and that makes the third straight month of apprehensions over 50k.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2019/01/09/dhs-releases-southwest-border-enforceme nt-statistics

So illegal crossing apprehensions are climbing, and you will also see in the DHS link that family unit apprehensions for the first three months of FY19 are up 280% over the same time frame of FY2018.

Regarding the total numbers of illegals living in the US, you are correct in that according to Pew, the number has dropped from 1 million to maybe even as high has 2 million lower than 2007.

Although, there have been others suggesting the illegal alien population in the US considerably higher, such as an MIT-Yale study resulting in 16 to 29 million with 22.1 being their average - double the commonly referenced 11 million from polling data. Moral of the story, it is difficult to estimate the total number and there could be many more than is typically assumed.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-21/mit-yale-study-doubles-e stimates-of-u-s-undocumented-immigrants

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2018/10/09/som-study-estimates-higher-undocu mented-immigration-numbers/

I would submit that this has always been a crisis. And the reality is, it always will be a crisis.

 

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By making crossing more difficult the end goal is that less people enter, fail in their attempts and less people try and come due to increased difficulty in coming.


Understood. But $5billion to manage those who overstay their visas would probably have a much greater affect on that goal. Border crossers are a small percentage and typically work labor jobs that contribute to farming and small construction company owners. But we wonít hear from the sheep about how those business owners will get hurt from this emotional knee jerk reaction to his Obama Derangement Syndrome. Target the ones that donít contribute, not the tough as nails ones that are willing to do anything for American small businesses. Trumpís idiotic plan will prevent those that we need from coming, and turn a blind eye to those that donít contribute in any way.

Emotionally damaged souls that follow Trump donít think of these things because they hate their lives and need a boogeyman to blame for it. Give Trump the $5billion for immigration if it means this much to the guy, but put it towards something that targets the right individuals, not some idiotic wall that keeps out the best workers.


I would be ok with directing focus and efforts to VISA overstays instead of the wall. I would be ok with directing and focusing efforts to "round up" employers who have hired illegal workers instead of the wall.

Illegal immigration should not be any kind of solution to the needs and wants of farms or business.

You can talk about sheep and damaged souls or people with derangement syndrome, but that is all nonsense. Just because we are not in a position of authority and decision making and just because we type out our feelings on an unrelated internet message board doesn't mean we can't acknowledge that sometimes, people that disagree with us have good points and suggestions and raise our objections and assertions in a constructive manner.

The trolls just bring us all down, but we can ignore and rise above that and maintain constructive discourse - if we want to.

 

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The trolls just bring us all down, but we can ignore and rise above that and maintain constructive discourse - if we want to.


We certainly can. We could ignore them rather than respond. There's no engaging w/trolls. If they're asked to clarify a point, they either run or respond w/more off-topic gibberish. It's futile, although apparently some of us find it amusing to play w/trolls.

We even have trolls on the very thread designed to ask us to be civil. That makes zero sense. Why disrupt an administrative request from Rowland?

 

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There are "emotionally damaged souls" on both sides of the fence who have equal disdain for their lives.......


No kidding. I posted about Trump Derangement Syndrome just a day or two ago. What is your point Mr. Defensive?


My point Mr. Leftist?....is that fictitious labels like "derangement Syndrome" are not strictly limited to one Party or person.....

 

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My point Mr. Leftist?....


Notice how I focus on your specific defensive post, but you attack the political affiliation. Deplorable bigot.

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is that fictitious labels like "derangement Syndrome" are not strictly limited to one Party or person....


No kidding, I just posted this the other day. Thanks genius.

 

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My point Mr. Leftist?....


Notice how I focus on your specific defensive post, but you attack the political affiliation. Deplorable bigot.

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is that fictitious labels like "derangement Syndrome" are not strictly limited to one Party or person....


No kidding, I just posted this the other day. Thanks genius.


I'm guessing this is the high point of your day!

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Yes 880,000 are not getting paid, they have real problems, and I think the states and local communities could try to come up with something to help them with their bills during this terrible time, but that is only one part of the problem.
[Edited on 1/12/2019 by gina]


Why should states and local communities pay for a self-inflicted and failed promise Trump made that Mexico would pay for the Trump wall, and now he sees that's not happening. All who drink from his cup have been bamboozled. How does it taste, Gina?


Drump said he'd own the shutdown...so your beef is with him. Why don't you contact the White House & let them know that he let you down.

He's dug quite a hole for himself and can't find a way out.



At this point I don't think it is about campaign promises. if he gets his wall, sure when 2020 comes around he can say that is one of his accomplishments, but the greater issue remains border security, though the Democrats wants to dig their heels in and say, no we won't give you the wall because you want it. They know we need border security but have not countered his wall concept with any other ideas to secure the border, maybe because they know we need it.

As to who pays for it, if he cannot get Mexico to pay for it, then logically we as a nation must find another way to get it done otherwise the impasse continues, federal workers continue to not be paid and things will get worse and very ugly, that outcome benefits nobody.

 

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Yes 880,000 are not getting paid, they have real problems, and I think the states and local communities could try to come up with something to help them with their bills during this terrible time, but that is only one part of the problem.
[Edited on 1/12/2019 by gina]


Why should states and local communities pay for a self-inflicted and failed promise Trump made that Mexico would pay for the Trump wall, and now he sees that's not happening. All who drink from his cup have been bamboozled. How does it taste, Gina?


Drump said he'd own the shutdown...so your beef is with him. Why don't you contact the White House & let them know that he let you down.

He's dug quite a hole for himself and can't find a way out.



At this point I don't think it is about campaign promises. if he gets his wall, sure when 2020 comes around he can say that is one of his accomplishments, but the greater issue remains border security, though the Democrats wants to dig their heels in and say, no we won't give you the wall because you want it. They know we need border security but have not countered his wall concept with any other ideas to secure the border, maybe because they know we need it.

As to who pays for it, if he cannot get Mexico to pay for it, then logically we as a nation must find another way to get it done otherwise the impasse continues, federal workers continue to not be paid and things will get worse and very ugly, that outcome benefits nobody.




Wrong! It is about his campaign promise. He had millions of people in a state of delusion by campaigning on a promise of Mexico paying for a wall. How foolish of anyone to have believed such a non-starter. If his words mean nothing & are devoid of reality, then why is the default the American taxpayer to cover for his failure?

You are incorrect that "logically we as a nation must find another way to get it done". Trump created this fiction. He needs to figure a way out of the hole he dug w/out taking the country down with him. Any foolish people that want to go down his rabbit hole with him are welcome to follow him into fantasy land.

The Dems and the American people have spoken in the midterms & rejected his immigration policies and rhetoric. He campaigned during the midterms on immigration fears while the Dems made health care #1 issue. In the midterms, he was defeated resoundingly. The message has been delivered. He has backed himself into a corner and sees no way of getting himself out. The Dems are all for border security in practical ways; not just his ever changing wall - concrete to steel, etc. If you want to give him a contribution for his wall, feel free.

[Edited on 1/12/2019 by MartinD28]

 

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Yes it was a campaign promise, but we all know things change and evolve. If he cannot get Mexico to fund it 100% should he give up on the idea of building a wall?

You are correct that there are differences in the priorities of the Democrats and the Republicans, and that is another problem stalling resolution.

Another poll, conducted by NPR, PBS and Marist from November to December, found that 63% of Republicans believed building the wall was an "immediate priority".

Health care is a big problem, nobody disputes that, but right now he, as President wants to focus on border security and the wall. Since he is the man in the big chair, doesn't he get to call the shots and decide what is most important, he is after all the President, which is the one in charge of leading the nation.

Here are some interesting things from his old book and how they can pertain to the wall.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46822452



[Edited on 1/12/2019 by gina]

 

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Since he is the man in the big chair, doesn't he get to call the shots and decide what is most important, he is after all the President, which is the one in charge of leading the nation.


No, the Constitution defines three equal branches of government. It is a system of checks and balances. The president doesn't always get what he wants. Our founding fathers were wise not to give absolute power to the president.

 

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Since he is the man in the big chair, doesn't he get to call the shots and decide what is most important, he is after all the President, which is the one in charge of leading the nation.


No, the Constitution defines three equal branches of government. It is a system of checks and balances. The president doesn't always get what he wants. Our founding fathers were wise not to give absolute power to the president.


That's the scariest thing about Trump and some of his supporters....They, like him, seem oblivious and, frankly, ignorant as to how the American republic works.

[Edited on 1/12/2019 by Chain]

 

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Yes it was a campaign promise, but we all know things change and evolve. If he cannot get Mexico to fund it 100% should he give up on the idea of building a wall?

You are correct that there are differences in the priorities of the Democrats and the Republicans, and that is another problem stalling resolution.

Another poll, conducted by NPR, PBS and Marist from November to December, found that 63% of Republicans believed building the wall was an "immediate priority".

Health care is a big problem, nobody disputes that, but right now he, as President wants to focus on border security and the wall. Since he is the man in the big chair, doesn't he get to call the shots and decide what is most important, he is after all the President, which is the one in charge of leading the nation.

Here are some interesting things from his old book and how they can pertain to the wall.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46822452
[Edited on 1/12/2019 by gina]


Per Gina - Yes it was a campaign promise, but we all know things change and evolve. If he cannot get Mexico to fund it 100% should he give up on the idea of building a wall?

Response - It was unrealistic from the minute he began using it as a go to line. Too bad that not realistic, but yes, he should give up or let people like you pay for it; not taxpayers as a whole nor raid funds designated for real emergencies / disasters.

Per Gina - Another poll, conducted by NPR, PBS and Marist from November to December, found that 63% of Republicans believed building the wall was an "immediate priority"

Response - What do the polls that include Dems & Independents say about wanting Trump's wall? What do polls at large say about Trump?

Per Gina - Health care is a big problem, nobody disputes that, but right now he, as President wants to focus on border security and the wall. Since he is the man in the big chair, doesn't he get to call the shots and decide what is most important, he is after all the President, which is the one in charge of leading the nation.

Response - See answers provided by 2112 & Chain. Read them & after you read them, then reread them.

 

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Since he is the man in the big chair, doesn't he get to call the shots and decide what is most important, he is after all the President, which is the one in charge of leading the nation.


No, the Constitution defines three equal branches of government. It is a system of checks and balances. The president doesn't always get what he wants. Our founding fathers were wise not to give absolute power to the president.


That's the scariest thing about Trump and some of his supporters....They, like him, seem oblivious and, frankly, ignorant as to how the American republic works.

[Edited on 1/12/2019 by Chain]


Not only Trump, but McConnell seems to have forgotten that it is job to pass legislation, put it in front of the Executive, and if the Executive doesn't sign, return to get an over-ride. Congress doesn't work for the Executive branch. That means putting legislation to a vote regardless of what the Executive has whispered in his ear about veto.

3 Equal Branches of Government.




[Edited on 1/13/2019 by cyclone88]

 

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Our founding fathers were wise not to give absolute power to the president.


And wise enough to establish the Electoral College.....

 

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And wise enough to establish the Electoral College.....


Perhaps at the time....13 colonies is far different than 50 states that encompass millions of people across a geographic area the founding father had no idea of at the time.

The true brilliance of the founding fathers was incorporating the ability to change the Constitution and thereby the republic as time and circumstances deemed so...For example abolishing the Electoral College when it became obsolete. The Electoral College is a holdover that no longer makes sense.

 

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You can talk about sheep and damaged souls or people with derangement syndrome, but that is all nonsense. Just because we are not in a position of authority and decision making and just because we type out our feelings on an unrelated internet message board doesn't mean we can't acknowledge that sometimes, people that disagree with us have good points and suggestions and raise our objections and assertions in a constructive manner.


Bullsh*t. These emotionally damaged sheep are the reason we likely have a compromised Russian asset as President working against American interests. Some people couldnít handle a black President, so Trump is simply revenge. The right didnít want someone who would benefit the USA the most.....they wanted whoever would hurt the left the most. The end result is dozens of indictments and a mentally disturbed lunatic in charge of our country.

After itís proven that Trump is under Putinís control, and that Trump used brainwashing tactics on the weak-minded, Trump supporters will be cowering in shame a decade from now, hiding and denying they ever liked the guy. The ending of Inglorious Bastards comes to mind.

 

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You can talk about sheep and damaged souls or people with derangement syndrome, but that is all nonsense. Just because we are not in a position of authority and decision making and just because we type out our feelings on an unrelated internet message board doesn't mean we can't acknowledge that sometimes, people that disagree with us have good points and suggestions and raise our objections and assertions in a constructive manner.


Bullsh*t. These emotionally damaged sheep are the reason we likely have a compromised Russian asset as President working against American interests. Some people couldnít handle a black President, so Trump is simply revenge. The right didnít want someone who would benefit the USA the most.....they wanted whoever would hurt the left the most. The end result is dozens of indictments and a mentally disturbed lunatic in charge of our country.

After itís proven that Trump is under Putinís control, and that Trump used brainwashing tactics on the weak-minded, Trump supporters will be cowering in shame a decade from now, hiding and denying they ever liked the guy. The ending of Inglorious Bastards comes to mind.


Re: your last paragraph. Not so sure. There's a good chance that in spite of facts & evidence of everything that Trump is and has done, the followers will still hang onto beliefs in a deep state and cling to denials that these things are true of Russian Don. He did a great job in his campaign of preying on the weak, and they look like they are dug in.

The redeeming factor is he has not been able to expand his base.

 

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You can talk about sheep and damaged souls or people with derangement syndrome, but that is all nonsense. Just because we are not in a position of authority and decision making and just because we type out our feelings on an unrelated internet message board doesn't mean we can't acknowledge that sometimes, people that disagree with us have good points and suggestions and raise our objections and assertions in a constructive manner.


Bullsh*t. These emotionally damaged sheep are the reason we likely have a compromised Russian asset as President working against American interests. Some people couldnít handle a black President, so Trump is simply revenge. The right didnít want someone who would benefit the USA the most.....they wanted whoever would hurt the left the most. The end result is dozens of indictments and a mentally disturbed lunatic in charge of our country.

After itís proven that Trump is under Putinís control, and that Trump used brainwashing tactics on the weak-minded, Trump supporters will be cowering in shame a decade from now, hiding and denying they ever liked the guy. The ending of Inglorious Bastards comes to mind.


I'm content what I get out of the forum based on what I put into it, I assume then you must be as well.

 

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Since he is the man in the big chair, doesn't he get to call the shots and decide what is most important, he is after all the President, which is the one in charge of leading the nation.


No, the Constitution defines three equal branches of government. It is a system of checks and balances. The president doesn't always get what he wants. Our founding fathers were wise not to give absolute power to the president.


That's the scariest thing about Trump and some of his supporters....They, like him, seem oblivious and, frankly, ignorant as to how the American republic works.

[Edited on 1/12/2019 by Chain]


Not only Trump, but McConnell seems to have forgotten that it is job to pass legislation, put it in front of the Executive, and if the Executive doesn't sign, return to get an over-ride. Congress doesn't work for the Executive branch. That means putting legislation to a vote regardless of what the Executive has whispered in his ear about veto.

3 Equal Branches of Government.

[Edited on 1/13/2019 by cyclone88]


"No, the Constitution defines three equal branches of government. It is a system of checks and balances. The president doesn't always get what he wants. Our founding fathers were wise not to give absolute power to the president."

That may be how our government is supposed to work, but it hasn't worked that way for a long time.
When we went to war with Iraq the second time, that should have been something that everyone in Congress agreed to, but I don't think that happened, we then went to the United Nations and when they would not agree for us to go there, Bush Jr. just said, well if they won't agree, then we just don't take the vote, and they ignored the United Nations and went anyway starting a war in Iraq.

They passed and implemented the Patriot Act even though it is unconstitutional. How does a law abiding Congress pass an unconstitutional piece of legislation and then it is implemented as a rule of law?

Our government has ignored the Constitution for a long time.

We don't just have 3 equal branches of government working as they were supposed to. The passing of Executive Orders is one example of how the president (and I don't mean Trump, I mean those who came before him) used it to pass laws the other branches would not have. One such piece of legislation was that Bush Jr. passed an Executive Order granting himself and all members of his administration immunity from prosecution for war crimes going back to 9-11-01. We never even started bombing Afghanistan till 9-29-01. So what war crimes could he be thinking of that they might need immunity for? I can think of one committed the same day he backdated their immunity to, 9-11-01.

 

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Since he is the man in the big chair, doesn't he get to call the shots and decide what is most important, he is after all the President, which is the one in charge of leading the nation.


No, the Constitution defines three equal branches of government. It is a system of checks and balances. The president doesn't always get what he wants. Our founding fathers were wise not to give absolute power to the president.


That's the scariest thing about Trump and some of his supporters....They, like him, seem oblivious and, frankly, ignorant as to how the American republic works.

[Edited on 1/12/2019 by Chain]


Not only Trump, but McConnell seems to have forgotten that it is job to pass legislation, put it in front of the Executive, and if the Executive doesn't sign, return to get an over-ride. Congress doesn't work for the Executive branch. That means putting legislation to a vote regardless of what the Executive has whispered in his ear about veto.

3 Equal Branches of Government.

[Edited on 1/13/2019 by cyclone88]


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Our government has ignored the Constitution for a long time.


That's a bold inaccurate statement. If the constitution had been ignored, the US wouldn't exist. There would be anarchy or 50 individual states relying on their own constitutions w/no obligation to or support from the 49 other states.

The judicial branch has adhered to its responsibilities even though decisions have been unpopular. It frequently reminds litigants of the division of power - especially when it specifically points to what are legislative rather than judicial or executive functions. Those who overstep lose their case & get their hands metaphorically slapped.

Your expectation that the "man in the big chair" be given what he wants all the time is wrong, wouldn't get past the first judicial hurdle, and I suspect, changes w/who occupies the chair.

 

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Since he is the man in the big chair, doesn't he get to call the shots and decide what is most important, he is after all the President, which is the one in charge of leading the nation.


No, the Constitution defines three equal branches of government. It is a system of checks and balances. The president doesn't always get what he wants. Our founding fathers were wise not to give absolute power to the president.


That's the scariest thing about Trump and some of his supporters....They, like him, seem oblivious and, frankly, ignorant as to how the American republic works.

[Edited on 1/12/2019 by Chain]


Not only Trump, but McConnell seems to have forgotten that it is job to pass legislation, put it in front of the Executive, and if the Executive doesn't sign, return to get an over-ride. Congress doesn't work for the Executive branch. That means putting legislation to a vote regardless of what the Executive has whispered in his ear about veto.

3 Equal Branches of Government.



[Edited on 1/13/2019 by cyclone88]


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Our government has ignored the Constitution for a long time.


That's a bold inaccurate statement. If the constitution had been ignored, the US wouldn't exist. There would be anarchy or 50 individual states relying on their own constitutions w/no obligation to or support from the 49 other states.

The judicial branch has adhered to its responsibilities even though decisions have been unpopular. It frequently reminds litigants of the division of power - especially when it specifically points to what are legislative rather than judicial or executive functions. Those who overstep lose their case & get their hands metaphorically slapped.

Your expectation that the "man in the big chair" be given what he wants all the time is wrong, wouldn't get past the first judicial hurdle, and I suspect, changes w/who occupies the chair.




Certainly you are aware of the changes post 9-11-01 whereby the rights guaranteed citizens have been circumvented and ignored. People can be seized if the govt. wants to, held without charges (violating due process), they don't even have to let you contact a lawyer, they can torture you here or send you abroad to do it, they can even assassinate you if they feel like it. They can get warrantless phone taps, etc. etc. They decided all this was necessary to combat 'the war on terror', they can go to other countries and assassinate any of their people without even telling the other govt.

I believe that anarchy will come, and the proof of that is the desire of some states to secede from the union. Many have just quietly tried reforming their own Constitutions giving more power to their individual states. Some like California have publicly announced that they would like to just be their own state apart from the US, you have heard of the Cal-Exit movement I'm sure. North Dakota has their own state bank, rather than relying on the big banks and other states needing the bailouts of 2008 and whenever the next one comes.


You should read Rogue State by Wiilliam Blum and find out what some of the branches of government have done over the years. You will be amazed at the evilness that has infiltrated various sectors of the government. The carnage was not limited to international events. Deliberate acts were perpetrated upon people in THIS country. If you think no that could not happen here, you need to find out. This is factual, documented and NON -FICTION.

https://williamblum.org/books/rogue-state


Our country has not functioned as the forefathers envisioned, planned it to in a long time, and I do not think it will ever get back to that.



 

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"Mankind is a single nation" "Allah did not make you a single people so he could try you in what he gave you, to him you will all return, he will inform you where you differed". Quran Chapter 2 Sura 213

 
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