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  posted on 1/10/2019 at 08:32 PM
Why? At that time outsourcing your labor or production was hot, hot, hot. A large part of that prior Republican Party was only concerned about keeping lbig business happy. THats mindset is still a problem today, but the devestating effects of Nafta and globalism have others like Trump wanting action on reform, not another study. If you found a brown guy to do it for less money, you did.

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  posted on 1/10/2019 at 08:42 PM
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What a guy he is. He's basically telling the people of real emergencies & disasters in Puerto Rico & California to go "f" yourselves so he can build his wall for his fabricated emergency that he promised Mexico would pay for.

That's today. Tomorrow will bring another chaotic issue by Putin's little bitch. Everyday it's something new with that clown.


Clown - or carny barker - he may be, but it's disgraceful that we - whatever political affiliation we may have - are not rising up against this man who is literally ruining the lives of human beings. He's passing out candy while federal workers & disaster victims suffer.


Solutions follow:

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other solutions?

 

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  posted on 1/10/2019 at 09:09 PM
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Solutions follow:

indictment

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vote the clown out of office if he runs again

other solutions?


I, having faith in the judicial system, hope for indictment. Beyond that, there must be people far savvier than I in how to effect change addressing the issue. NOW. I don't think victims can wait until 2020.

I'm of an era when demonstrations & letters/phone calls (now emails/tweets) to elected representatives were effective. With all the communication technology available, I can't believe there isn't a way to get those w/clout in Washington to quit whispering privately & publicly denounce Trump. Can McConnell not see that he could be perceived as a hero if he grew a pair rather than acting as though he works for the prez? His job is to put passed legislation on the table & let the prez really take the fall in the form of veto & then go back & over-ride the veto. Instead, his position is that he's not going to even bring anything that could be vetoed to a vote.

The constitution is stronger than a single person. Congress doesn't work FOR the prez; it serves as a check on the resident of the WH.

 

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  posted on 1/10/2019 at 09:21 PM
Can you vote him out without abolishing the electoral college?

 

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  posted on 1/10/2019 at 09:43 PM
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"W's 2006 Secure Fence Act authorized a barrier across the border. Less than a year later, Congress recognized that technology could more securely, efficiently, and effectively serve the purpose of a physical barrier over varying topography & the Act was amended: no specific building material, no specific type of barrier (physical v electronic v TBD).

In sum, 17 years ago, Republicans acknowledged that requiring a physical barrier made of a specific material was an outdated concept & enacted legislation that said so. "

Thank you. Goob and Gina, please read the above quotation, and then sign to indicate that you did read it and did understand it.



I've no interest in making things personal. There are trolls & there are individuals w/strongly held opinions.

I don't believe there is an abundance of Luddites on Capitol Hill. They weren't there in 2007 & they're not there now. Every former president dealt w/border security (we have northern & coastal borders, too) & they've denounced Trump's assertion that they support him - W most emphatically has addressed the issue. Not 17 years ago. 5 days ago.

Jim, I enjoy your reasoned comments & look for them between the detritus of trolls.


 

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Original Goober wrote: "17 years ago? No good to compare a 2001 stock against 2018 value. It works the same with this comparison. In order to draw that conclusion below they had to have some illegal immigration data to work with. The crossings now are probably 10X what it used to be. Look at the recent herd from Central America. 1000's crossing in a day or two."

Goob, you are guessing rather than using facts. Here are some facts:


"How many people are crossing the border illegally?

There’s no official measure of how many people succeed in illegally crossing the border, but authorities use the number of apprehensions to gauge changes in illegal immigration. Apprehensions on the Southwest border peaked in 2000 at 1.64 million and have generally declined since, totaling 396,579 in 2018."

Those numbers come from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection. https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illegal-immigration-statistics/

So, illegal immigration has gone DOWN since it was decided that George W's 2006 fence was not needed.

 

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  posted on 1/10/2019 at 10:45 PM
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W's 2006 Secure Fence Act authorized a barrier across the border. Less than a year later, Congress recognized that technology could more securely, efficiently, and effectively serve the purpose of a physical barrier over varying topography & the Act was amended: no specific building material, no specific type of barrier (physical v electronic v TBD).

In sum, 17 years ago, Republicans acknowledged that requiring a physical barrier made of a specific material was an outdated concept & enacted legislation that said so.




They passed the act, then failed to fund it and gutted it, then President Obama declared the fence "basically complete" Shameful these politicians.

 

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While we are talking about CBP statistics....they averaged over 51,000 apprehensions the first two months of FY2019. More people are trying to enter than 2018 (about 35,000 and 39,000 in the same months year-over-year).

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https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

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Yet most illegals still arrive via plane and overstay their visa. Should be build a ceiling?
 

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It’s sad to see people dance around their honest feelings. They can’t be honest out of shame for themselves, so they make up a bunch of b.s. stats and lingo that they found online. The wall is an obvious symbol, and the sheep all know it, but none have the courage of their own convictions to just say it. Beyond sad to watch. I’d have much more respect if they came out and said they want to send a message to the world to just “stay out”.

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  posted on 1/11/2019 at 08:00 AM
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Yet most illegals still arrive via plane and overstay their visa. Should be build a ceiling?


That's a good one. Maybe use tracking devices.

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Who are these scared little p*ssies that need a wall to feel better?


I feel pretty good now. I could feel pretty good if there was no border wall at all. I choose to care about this issue, just as I choose to care about any issue, because I think it is the right thing for the country.

The point of a wall or any physical barrier vs drones or sensors or any technology that gets used is a wall hopefully prevents entry. The technology can monitor them and alert us where they are and when they enter the country, but then we have to apprehend them and process them. By making crossing more difficult the end goal is that less people enter, fail in their attempts and less people try and come due to increased difficulty in coming.

 

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  posted on 1/11/2019 at 08:06 AM
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Solutions follow:

indictment

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vote the clown out of office if he runs again

other solutions?


I, having faith in the judicial system, hope for indictment. Beyond that, there must be people far savvier than I in how to effect change addressing the issue. NOW. I don't think victims can wait until 2020.

I'm of an era when demonstrations & letters/phone calls (now emails/tweets) to elected representatives were effective. With all the communication technology available, I can't believe there isn't a way to get those w/clout in Washington to quit whispering privately & publicly denounce Trump. Can McConnell not see that he could be perceived as a hero if he grew a pair rather than acting as though he works for the prez? His job is to put passed legislation on the table & let the prez really take the fall in the form of veto & then go back & over-ride the veto. Instead, his position is that he's not going to even bring anything that could be vetoed to a vote.

The constitution is stronger than a single person. Congress doesn't work FOR the prez; it serves as a check on the resident of the WH.


I'm not sure how much those with clout in Washington listen to common people & voters. Once they get there, they seem to operate in a party vacuum. Look at the many protests in the last year such a marches for women, protests against Judge K., gun rallies after the school in Florida, etc. Legislators are numb to reality other than the ballot box.

Mitch is from Kentucky, a safe red sate. He can keep his seat until he chooses to leave. As far as his leadership position - he has abdicated the responsibility of his position probably out of frustration or fear of Trump & the 30 something % base. It appears Mitch is content to sit things out, give lip service, let Trump take the lead, and let the chips fall as they will. That is pathetic, but until the light bulb goes off with Mitch and others in the GOP that they fear ballot box fallout by being on the losing side of an issue, perceptions, and public relations nothing will change. This is Trump's party, and the real GOP is on sabbatical.

 

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I'm not sure how much those with clout in Washington listen to common people & voters. Once they get there, they seem to operate in a party vacuum. Look at the many protests in the last year such a marches for women, protests against Judge K., gun rallies after the school in Florida, etc. Legislators are numb to reality other than the ballot box.

Mitch is from Kentucky, a safe red sate. He can keep his seat until he chooses to leave. As far as his leadership position - he has abdicated the responsibility of his position probably out of frustration or fear of Trump & the 30 something % base. It appears Mitch is content to sit things out, give lip service, let Trump take the lead, and let the chips fall as they will. That is pathetic, but until the light bulb goes off with Mitch and others in the GOP that they fear ballot box fallout by being on the losing side of an issue, perceptions, and public relations nothing will change. This is Trump's party, and the real GOP is on sabbatical.


Martin, I fear your assessment is accurate. Not only do leaders not care, but those of us non-politicians have become indifferent to anything beyond our own self-interest. Alternatively, we do care, but the failures of expression of dissatisfaction outside the ballot box you pointed out have deterred us from even trying. Those Parkland students who so sincerely believed in the power of their stories to influence change certainly learned that DC is nothing but deaf ears. Nobody really cares that attending school can get you killed. We've been immune to that since Columbine.

It IS pathetic that the GOP & our government have been hijacked by this nebulous "Trump base." I'm just gob-smacked that smug shrill ratings jockeys like Coulter seem to be running the country.


 

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Legislators are numb to reality other than the ballot box.


Interesting comment in that "Reality" in Gubmint IS the Ballot box. We, have the power, we can change everything, but you must participate through Voting....

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Look at the many protests in the last year such a marches for women, protests against Judge K., gun rallies after the school in Florida


How many of these people Voted?

 

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Legislators are numb to reality other than the ballot box.


Interesting comment in that "Reality" in Gubmint IS the Ballot box. We, have the power, we can change everything, but you must participate through Voting....

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Look at the many protests in the last year such a marches for women, protests against Judge K., gun rallies after the school in Florida


How many of these people Voted?


How many of these people voted? We'll never know the statistical count. What we can conclude is that either directly or indirectly they voted or had impact upon others voting, as the GOP lost 40 or so HOR seats. Trump said at many rallies that he was on the ballot. The disgust aimed at him was pretty much self fulfilling. The record number of midterm turnout in many states would indicate that this was more than just a normal cycle of expected results.

Momentum should remain consistent into the next election for senate, house, prez, and if Trump is on the ballot...well...you can fill in the blanks.

 

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  posted on 1/11/2019 at 12:26 PM
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By making crossing more difficult the end goal is that less people enter, fail in their attempts and less people try and come due to increased difficulty in coming.


Understood. But $5billion to manage those who overstay their visas would probably have a much greater affect on that goal. Border crossers are a small percentage and typically work labor jobs that contribute to farming and small construction company owners. But we won’t hear from the sheep about how those business owners will get hurt from this emotional knee jerk reaction to his Obama Derangement Syndrome. Target the ones that don’t contribute, not the tough as nails ones that are willing to do anything for American small businesses. Trump’s idiotic plan will prevent those that we need from coming, and turn a blind eye to those that don’t contribute in any way.

Emotionally damaged souls that follow Trump don’t think of these things because they hate their lives and need a boogeyman to blame for it. Give Trump the $5billion for immigration if it means this much to the guy, but put it towards something that targets the right individuals, not some idiotic wall that keeps out the best workers.

 

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Ya gotta luv Stern - onetime friend of the Orange Prez. Best line - "“I never saw him this orange or with those rings around his eyes”. See article below:


Howard Stern says Trump's border wall won't solve immigration problems: It’s just something ‘morons can get behind’
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Howard Stern had a lot to say about Donald Trump and his border wall. (Photo: Getty Images)
While Howard Stern “can’t find anything more boring” than having a political discussion, he broke his rule Wednesday to discuss Donald Trump’s immigration and border security address that was broadcast the night before.

The men go way back, and you may recall their conversations about “piece of a**” Ivanka on Stern’s show, so the King of All Media had many notes on Trump’s primetime performance — skip the teleprompter, work on the “heavy breathing” and stop with the spray tan (“I never saw him this orange or with those rings around his eyes”). But while Stern said he expected Trump’s speech to be “full of sh**,” it topped expectations.

After saying “there’s no crisis” at the U.S.-Mexico borders, Stern went on to talk about Trump’s proposed border wall — which is behind the ongoing partial government shutdown — saying it won’t solve any of the country’s immigration problems. He brushed it off as being just a campaign tactic that “morons can get behind.”

“The wall’s a problem because it’s a waste of money, even Donald knows that,” Stern said. “You gotta know Donald a bit to understand what’s going on here. The wall’s a simplistic answer to our problems with immigration. It’s something that, you know, morons can get behind because they’re like, ‘Oh, yeah, if you build a wall no one can get over it.’ But it’s not that simple.”

Stern said Trump’s demands of $5.7 billion in funding for the wall — a wall he originally said Mexico would pay for — wouldn’t even cover the cost of the proposed wall.

“You’re talking about building a massive wall across this country on the southern border,” Stern continued. “It’s a tremendous amount of property and a tremendous amount of area to cover. You’re not going to get a whole wall for $5 billion. If you really want a wall, it’s probably going to cost you some trillions of dollars.”


He said Trump isn’t being “straight up” with Americans. Stern said he should have come on and said, “‘F*** this, I’m not going to bullsh** you guys. I want $20 billion.”

While Stern admitted that he’s “all about keeping f***ing illegal aliens out because it’s f***ing not fair — it’s not fair to people who apply legally,” he added, “At the same point, you can’t be hypocritical and be hiring illegal aliens over at Mar-a-Lago,” referring to undocumented immigrants working at Trump’s golf resort in New Jersey.

Stern also talked about how drugs were coming “into our ports,” versus just from over the southern border. But he pointed out that Trump’s shutdown over not getting his wall is making security in the country even weaker.

“Right now we don’t even have air traffic controllers being paid,” Stern pointed out. “Talk about a lack of security. If I’m a terrorist, I’m coming in now. I bet you they’re flooding in while this government shutdown is going on.”


Donald Trump and Melania next to Howard Stern and Beth at a New York Knicks game in 2005. (Photo: Getty Images)
“Even Donald’s not into this wall. It’s just he’s embarrassed because he can’t get it, and Rush Limbaugh shamed him,” he said, adding, “The whole concept of the wall got him elected, a lot of people could wrap their brain around it. But the wall ain’t going to solve sh**. And it’s going to cost a fortune. Come on, it’s nonsense. It’s just nonsense.”

Stern said that Trump doesn’t consult him anymore though. “I got it figured out, but nobody talks to me. Donald doesn’t call me anymore because I didn’t vote for him.”

And lest you think Stern was only critical of Trump, he also also criticized Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer’s on-camera rebuttal to Trump’s address. Stern said they looked like “vampires” on-screen and “need media training.” He called their use of a teleprompter “a drag,” saying, “Just talk from the heart.” He said he hoped they watch their performance back and are “mortified” over it.

 

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Here is the part I don't get. Illegal crossings are down already - way down, and have been going down for over a decade. There are over 1 million fewer illegals living in the US today than in 2007. So why is this a crisis right now? Why doesn't Trump just declare victory that is policies have been working, take credit, and move on? Trend lines haven't kept him from taking credit for the economy, so why isn't he just declaring victory for the drop in illegal immigration and moving on?
 

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Here is the part I don't get. Illegal crossings are down already - way down, and have been going down for over a decade. There are over 1 million fewer illegals living in the US today than in 2007. So why is this a crisis right now? Why doesn't Trump just declare victory that is policies have been working, take credit, and move on? Trend lines haven't kept him from taking credit for the economy, so why isn't he just declaring victory for the drop in illegal immigration and moving on?


Nocando - Trump taking orders from Coulter, Hannity, Ingraham, & pill popper Rush.

 

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Here is the part I don't get. Illegal crossings are down already - way down, and have been going down for over a decade. There are over 1 million fewer illegals living in the US today than in 2007. So why is this a crisis right now? Why doesn't Trump just declare victory that is policies have been working, take credit, and move on? Trend lines haven't kept him from taking credit for the economy, so why isn't he just declaring victory for the drop in illegal immigration and moving on?


Nocando - Trump taking orders from Coulter, Hannity, Ingraham, & pill popper Rush.


They'll fall in line. Especially Hannity. Whatever Trump does,, Hannity is all in, and the Trump fans wlll follow.

 

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Here is the part I don't get. Illegal crossings are down already - way down, and have been going down for over a decade. There are over 1 million fewer illegals living in the US today than in 2007. So why is this a crisis right now? Why doesn't Trump just declare victory that is policies have been working, take credit, and move on? Trend lines haven't kept him from taking credit for the economy, so why isn't he just declaring victory for the drop in illegal immigration and moving on?


Brilliant!!!!

Facts and the truth have never stopped him before from doing anything. Why not, indeed.

Say it, Donald, say your policies have made the country more prosperous, secure, bigger, better, & happier than it's ever been. You made it happen because you know more about everything than all the experts & take a delayed Christmas vacation to Florida.

 

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Emotionally damaged souls that follow Trump don’t think of these things because they hate their lives and need a boogeyman to blame for it.


Too funny!.... The same to be said for the 10 or so clones here who repeatedly use every thread to spew their utter hatred for the President, we get it, you despise the man. The vitriol laid out here is double the level of pathetic that we witnessed by those who loathed President Obama and his policies. There are "emotionally damaged souls" on both sides of the fence who have equal disdain for their lives.......

 

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What a guy he is. He's basically telling the people of real emergencies & disasters in Puerto Rico & California to go "f" yourselves so he can build his wall for his fabricated emergency that he promised Mexico would pay for.

That's today. Tomorrow will bring another chaotic issue by Putin's little bitch. Everyday it's something new with that clown.


Clown - or carny barker - he may be, but it's disgraceful that we - whatever political affiliation we may have - are not rising up against this man who is literally ruining the lives of human beings. He's passing out candy while federal workers & disaster victims suffer.



How is Trump ruining people's lives? He has been available to work on any deal/compromise bill/legislation that can be brought to him. His only sticking point is he must get funding for the wall/fence for the purpose of border security not because he wants to say he is right or kept his promise to do it.

Yes 880,000 are not getting paid, they have real problems, and I think the states and local communities could try to come up with something to help them with their bills during this terrible time, but that is only one part of the problem.

What about border security? Do we just back down and do nothing so the govt. shutdown can end and then the democratic led Congress tries to proceed with impeachment hearings?

Pelosi says it is "immoral" to build the wall.
How is it immoral to stop illegals from entering our country?
She should not advocate the caravan of 'dreamers' try to break the law and come in illegally, that is obstructing justice and interfering with interstate commerce since they cross state lines and go everyplace once they get here. She took an oath entering Congress to uphold the laws of this nation and then advocates illegals continue to come and calls Trump immoral.

And Chuck Shumer is her Candyman, egging her on, encouraging her unrealistic outlook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPGyKGuWeA






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Does anybody here think that we DO NOT need a border wall for border security?


We DO NOT need a wall for border security.


How do we stop people from illegally crossing the border along all the miles of unmanned, unfenced, unprotected land?

 

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"W's 2006 Secure Fence Act authorized a barrier across the border. Less than a year later, Congress recognized that technology could more securely, efficiently, and effectively serve the purpose of a physical barrier over varying topography & the Act was amended: no specific building material, no specific type of barrier (physical v electronic v TBD).

In sum, 17 years ago, Republicans acknowledged that requiring a physical barrier made of a specific material was an outdated concept & enacted legislation that said so. "

Thank you. Goob and Gina, please read the above quotation, and then sign to indicate that you did read it and did understand it.

I keep seeing strawman arguments here:

"Democrats are against border security."

No, they are against a wildly expensive WALL. There really are other kinds of border security.

"Democrats used to want a big concrete wall, but suddenly now they are just being anti-Trump."

No, they never wanted a big concrete wall, but they have always wanted border security.



I read it. "Congress recognized that technology could more securely, efficiently, and effectively serve the purpose of a physical barrier over varying topography & the Act was amended: no specific building material, no specific type of barrier (physical v electronic v TBD)."

What did Congress come up with? What were their ideas that were NOT implemented?

Were armed drones part of the concept?

Or satellite or heat sensor technology that can let planes know that people are in a certain area and then the blackhawk choppers can come and use whatever methodology they deem appropriate to stop the interlopers?

Or should we just send Joe Arpaio and his border buddies in their pick-ups to dissuade potential border breachers?

What technology/means can be used to deal with the problem WITHOUT a wall/fence?

 

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