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  posted on 1/8/2019 at 12:06 PM
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Original Goober wrote: "The wall resistance is more of a liberal idea that a big scary wall will clash with the American concept living in a liberals head."

That is an emotional response rather than a factual one. Here are some facts:

1. Our own officials report that most drugs enter our country through our legal points of entry. Thus, a wall will not solve the problem.

2. Stats show that most illegal aliens are people who have overstayed their visas. Thus a wall will not solve the problem.

There are plenty of obvious other considerations:

Do you want to invoke Eminent Domain to take private citizens' land away as needed for the wall?
Have you considered the environmental impact presented by the wall?
Do you understand that all walls require expensive maintenance?
Are you aware of the ways that modern technology has allowed walls or other boundaries to be subverted? It was not too long ago that incredibly advanced tunnels from Mexico to the US were discovered, for example.

To say that "Anyone who does not want a wall does not want border security" is absurd; it is like saying "Anyone who does not own a horse and carriage does not want to travel." We live in 2019, and technology offers plenty of alternatives that would be more effective and less expensive.

Look at the stats for deportations under Obama. Clearly his administration was taking steps to combat the illegals' presence here. Meanwhile, we also know that there have been illegals working at Trump's places.

I know memes offer tidbits of info that are easy talking points, but plenty of people who do their homework know that a wall is not a panacea.


Hopefully my points of view will never be confused with Goobers, but since I support more wall, or fence, barrier, whatever on the Mexican border I'd like to respond since I assume he will not.

If just a portion of the drugs come across the border between legal points of entry, maybe 20%, that is still a portion that can be restricted or reduced. Thereby making them move more through legal ports, potentially increasing the chance of capture, or making it more difficult on the movement of the drugs to circumvent where the additional barrier is.

I agree, visa overstays is a very large contributor to the illegal immigration problem. Just because a wall doesn't address that, doesn't mean that a wall keeping other illegal aliens from crossing isn't needed also. FY2019 numbers for October and November show that Southern Border Patrol apprehensions were over 51,000 each month. A total of 396,579 were apprehended in FY2018. And how many do they catch, half?

That is a problem and a problem that needs addressed further. I am fine if we do that with additional personnel, detention facilities, technology and yes barriers. They all play a role. A wall should not be built across the entire border, a wall doesn't need build everywhere. But where physical barriers make sense, they should be built and they should be difficult for anyone to try and navigate over, through or under.

Tunnels? We eventually find tunnels. But an example that we have made it harder for them to come. They have to dig tunnels and the work and time it takes to do that. Good, harder for them, takes them longer that is good.

I do not have much concern about environmental impact of additional construction at the border.

Eminent Domain is an issue, but it will have to be dealt with just like any other state or federal project deals with it. There is a procedure.

Maintenance = a maintenance job for someone.

Modern tech is great, and advancing. I like it. It all can and should work together to achieve the ultimate end goal, reducing as many illegal border crossings as possible. It will never get to zero, where there is a will there is a way, but I surely would hope we can substantially cut it from the 50,xxx a month we have seen recently.

Illegal immigration is a national emergency. But the entire issue is the emergency. The VISA overstays, the lack or serious punishment for employers who hire, the lack of e-verity, the 11-22 million illegals that are here (Yale 2018 study said 22million, most have it lower), the identity theft, the financial burden of educating and medical costs.

I do not know if the President is going to declare a national emergency. What I do know, is that it should not be done just to build a wall, but this issue, overall, is indeed a national emergency.


Lots of good points nebish and I'm sure most Americans feel similarly. Obviously border security is important but a wall will not be the only fix many think it will.

As for the president, it's just a lightning rod topic for him to rile up his supporters. When he said Mexico was going to pay for it, he lost all credibility with sensible thinking citizens regarding the issue. To hell with him.

Countless times throughout our nation's history, immigrants (legal or not) and immigration policies have been targets for political agendas. Sadly, it will continue.


 

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Illegal immigration is a national emergency. But the entire issue is the emergency. The VISA overstays, the lack or serious punishment for employers who hire, the lack of e-verity, the 11-22 million illegals that are here (Yale 2018 study said 22million, most have it lower), the identity theft, the financial burden of educating and medical costs.

I do not know if the President is going to declare a national emergency. What I do know, is that it should not be done just to build a wall, but this issue, overall, is indeed a national emergency.


Whether there is or isn't, the only thing being discussed IS a wall, so...

You mention holding Americans accountable, such as penalties for hiring illegals. Does that apply to employers, like, oh, Mar-A-Lago?




I absolutely would support felony charges with mandatory jail time for repeat employers who hire illegal aliens without proper work visas.

I think national emergency is a bit much actually. It is a crisis. Lots of crisis around. If he declares a national emergency for wall construction I would not support that even though I do support devoting more resources to border security. The overall issue needs reformed, which is hard to see happening at this point.


There is a national emergency & crisis, and he sleeps in the White House.

 

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Illegal immigration is a national emergency. But the entire issue is the emergency. The VISA overstays, the lack or serious punishment for employers who hire, the lack of e-verity, the 11-22 million illegals that are here (Yale 2018 study said 22million, most have it lower), the identity theft, the financial burden of educating and medical costs.

I do not know if the President is going to declare a national emergency. What I do know, is that it should not be done just to build a wall, but this issue, overall, is indeed a national emergency.


Whether there is or isn't, the only thing being discussed IS a wall, so...

You mention holding Americans accountable, such as penalties for hiring illegals. Does that apply to employers, like, oh, Mar-A-Lago?




I absolutely would support felony charges with mandatory jail time for repeat employers who hire illegal aliens without proper work visas.

I think national emergency is a bit much actually. It is a crisis. Lots of crisis around. If he declares a national emergency for wall construction I would not support that even though I do support devoting more resources to border security. The overall issue needs reformed, which is hard to see happening at this point.


There is a national emergency & crisis, and he sleeps in the White House.


A national emergency made clearer by the day....For instance the Syria withdrawal confusion of just the past 72 hours should make it crystal clear just how incompetent this administration is. Bolton was given the middle finger by the Turks today and our Secretary of State is saying things to very concerned allies within the region completely at odds with Trump....A dangerous situation all created by the idiot occupying the White House.

Meanwhile, Mitch McConnell is AWOL in his responsibility for oversight of the Presidency on the domestic front with this shut down mess....Again, a mess created by Little Idiot.


 

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Some good info in here from the BBC.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46792676

US law allows the president to direct military construction projects during war or national emergency, but that money would have to come from defence department funds allocated by Congress for other purposes, the BBC's Anthony Zurcher says.

US media are reporting that Mr Trump will not declare a national emergency on Tuesday evening, in a bid to launch construction of a wall by circumventing Congress.

The article below does point out that "310,531 people were apprehended trying to cross the southern border illegally in 2017" though it also says that 600,000 came by air overstaying their visas. But that does not engate the 310,531 who CAME ILLEGALLY ACROSS THE LAND BORDER>

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/08/trump-fact-check-speech-imm igration-border-security





[Edited on 1/9/2019 by gina]

 

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Coast Guard Families given tips to survive the shutdown BY the Coast Guard includes having garage sales.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/01/09/coast-guard-fam ilies-told-they-can-have-garage-sales-cope-with-government-shutdown/?noredi rect=on&utm_term=.7873cdc7aa1b

Employees of the U.S. Coast Guard who are facing a long U.S. government shutdown just received a suggestion: To get by without pay, consider holding a garage sale, babysitting, dog-walking or serving as a “mystery shopper.”

The suggestions were part of a five-page tip sheet published by the Coast Guard Support Program, an employee-assistance arm of the service often known as CG SUPRT. It is designated to offer Coast Guard members help with mental-health issues or other concerns about their lives, including financial wellness.

https://www.scribd.com/document/397140587/Managing-Furlough




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  posted on 1/9/2019 at 05:20 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-walks-out-of-border-security- meeting-after-pelosi-rejects-wall-pitch/ar-BBS2bNO

“He asked Speaker Pelosi, ‘will you agree to my wall?’ She said no. And he just got up, and said, 'Well we’ve got nothing to discuss,'" Schumer said.

The president, in a tweet, called the meeting “a total waste of time” and appeared to confirm that he left after Pelosi's answer.

“I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!” Trump tweeted.

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12:34 PM - 9 Jan 2019

 

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  posted on 1/9/2019 at 06:28 PM
I have a crazy idea. Maybe he can get Mexico to pay for the wall. I wonder if he ever thought about doing that?
 

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  posted on 1/9/2019 at 07:53 PM
The democratic party arguing crime stats is like arguing that crack is less addicitve than heroien.

 

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The democratic party arguing crime stats is like arguing that crack is less addicitve than heroien.


WTF does that even mean & what does it have to do w/this thread?

 

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The democratic party arguing crime stats is like arguing that crack is less addicitve than heroien.


WTF does that even mean & what does it have to do w/this thread?


THere has been a statitstic quoted by MSM that Illegals are more deserving because they commit less violent crime than legal residents. The number is slightly lower but look at that homicide rate... wowwiee. Sad..... If a wall can cut the inflow of drugs and drive down or eliminate the murder rate thats a WIN-WIN. Democrats would rather ignore or deny that illegals ARE causing crime. Future voters and all.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/two-charts-demolish- the-notion-that-immigrants-here-illegally-commit-more-crime/?utm_term=.5ef8 aafc54db

 

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The democratic party arguing crime stats is like arguing that crack is less addicitve than heroien.


Yikes, what a snoozefest bomb of a one-liner attempt.



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  posted on 1/9/2019 at 10:22 PM
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If a wall can cut the inflow of drugs and drive down or eliminate the murder rate thats a WIN-WIN.


American legalization of marijuana is already drastically reducing it, but if crediting Daddy Trump makes you feel better, have at it.

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Democrats would rather ignore or deny that illegals ARE causing crime.


Why do you need a boogeyman? I’m dying to know what happened to you as a boy.

 

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Lots of good points nebish and I'm sure most Americans feel similarly. Obviously border security is important but a wall will not be the only fix many think it will.

As for the president, it's just a lightning rod topic for him to rile up his supporters. When he said Mexico was going to pay for it, he lost all credibility with sensible thinking citizens regarding the issue. To hell with him.

Countless times throughout our nation's history, immigrants (legal or not) and immigration policies have been targets for political agendas. Sadly, it will continue.


Strat, your voice is a welcome post in these threads!

Trump is over promising on what a wall will do. Additional and upgraded physical barriers can help. The reality is too many of his supporters just think it is the be all-end-all. Trump is not the first person to promote wall/fence on the Mexican border. He is the first one to call for one the entire length, and definitely hit a nerve on both sides. A wall the entire length is virtually impossible anyway. Plus when you hang your hat on Mexico paying for it, then you kind of have to get Mexico to pay for it to maintain any credibility. Ultimately our border security is our responsibility and the only way to do it is take something both sides can agree to. That is our system. He doesn’t/t get it.

 

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-walks-out-of-border-sec urity-meeting-after-pelosi-rejects-wall-pitch/ar-BBS2bNO

“He asked Speaker Pelosi, ‘will you agree to my wall?’ She said no. And he just got up, and said, 'Well we’ve got nothing to discuss,'" Schumer said.

The president, in a tweet, called the meeting “a total waste of time” and appeared to confirm that he left after Pelosi's answer.

“I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!” Trump tweeted.

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Just left a meeting with Chuck and Nancy, a total waste of time. I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!

12:34 PM - 9 Jan 2019




The Democrats are under no obligation to do anything. It’s their House. Republicans can not control the agenda any longer. That is the consequences of elections. Sure they gained in the Senate, but lost the House. It is divided government now and Trump acts like people that don’t share his views on what is best must cave to his demands. That is not how it works.

Here is what I would’ve like Pelosi to have said in response to Trump today; “
Mr President I can not agree to your wall funding. What I will do is guarantee to give your bill (or McCarthy’s or whatever they write) a vote on the floor of the House. It is you and your party’s responsibility to craft a bill to garner passage. Mr President, I will will not suppress it and I will let my colleagues vote their own conscious and I see that your bill will get a vote, that is the best I can give you. Whether it passes or not is up to you. Deal?”

 

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-walks-out-of-bord er-security-meeting-after-pelosi-rejects-wall-pitch/ar-BBS2bNO

“He asked Speaker Pelosi, ‘will you agree to my wall?’ She said no. And he just got up, and said, 'Well we’ve got nothing to discuss,'" Schumer said.

The president, in a tweet, called the meeting “a total waste of time” and appeared to confirm that he left after Pelosi's answer.

“I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!” Trump tweeted.

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Just left a meeting with Chuck and Nancy, a total waste of time. I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!

12:34 PM - 9 Jan 2019




The Democrats are under no obligation to do anything. It’s their House. Republicans can not control the agenda any longer. That is the consequences of elections. Sure they gained in the Senate, but lost the House. It is divided government now and Trump acts like people that don’t share his views on what is best must cave to his demands. That is not how it works.

Here is what I would’ve like Pelosi to have said in response to Trump today; “
Mr President I can not agree to your wall funding. What I will do is guarantee to give your bill (or McCarthy’s or whatever they write) a vote on the floor of the House. It is you and your party’s responsibility to craft a bill to garner passage. Mr President, I will will not suppress it and I will let my colleagues vote their own conscious and I see that your bill will get a vote, that is the best I can give you. Whether it passes or not is up to you. Deal?”


Seems like a fair way to handle it, but only if the Senate is allowed to vote on bills the Republicans don't want to bring to a vote as well. It's got to work both ways.

 

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I wouldn't go that far. Plenty of bills passed out of one chamber never sees the light of day with an opposing party controlling the other chamber. I don't like it that way, just the way it is - that is not new and requesting that for this negotiation is a bridge too far.

Specific to this issue, I think that if Trump would sign the government open, then in 30 days Pelosi could've allowed a vote on their border security bill. All you can ask for is a chance, an opportunity. You can't expect to bully people in government to get what you want. That is just who he is, and his own tactics are make my it harder for him to get what he wants. This shutdown is going to have very negative consequences for the Republicans.

Trump has never even told us where more fencing would be constructed. What is the roll out for this $5.7 billion? Tell us. Get it in writing and sell us on why this makes the most sense right now. But he can't. Best he could do is lie and say the Democrats wanted a steel slat fence, or Ballard wall, when in reality that is what border patrol wants.

I think there have already been 8 wall projects started or finished in 2018. So where is the next portion going with this funding? Tell us and why. Some Democrats are still saying they are against a 2000 mile concrete wall when that isn't eve what is on the table here. It is very frustrating to have such ineffective messaging when I too want additional barriers, but the "salesman" isn't selling it in a way to make everyone understand. You don't need to scare or threaten people, reason with them. Democrats have supported walls and wall money before. You have to frame it in a way they can support it again.

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I wouldn't go that far. Plenty of bills passed out of one chamber never sees the light of day with an opposing party controlling the other chamber. I don't like it that way, just the way it is - that is not new and requesting that for this negotiation is a bridge too far.

Specific to this issue, I think that if Trump would sign the government open, then in 30 days Pelosi could've allowed a vote on their border security bill. All you can ask for is a chance, an opportunity. You can't expect to bully people in government to get what you want. That is just who he is, and his own tactics are make my it harder for him to get what he wants. This shutdown is going to have very negative consequences for the Republicans.

Trump has never even told us where more fencing would be constructed. What is the roll out for this $5.7 billion? Tell us. Get it in writing and sell us on why this makes the most sense right now. But he can't. Best he could do is lie and say the Democrats wanted a steel slat fence, or Ballard wall, when in reality that is what border patrol wants.

I think there have already been 8 wall projects started or finished in 2018. So where is the next portion going with this funding? Tell us and why. Some Democrats are still saying they are against a 2000 mile concrete wall when that isn't eve what is on the table here. It is very frustrating to have such ineffective messaging when I too want additional barriers, but the "salesman" isn't selling it in a way to make everyone understand. You don't need to scare or threaten people, reason with them. Democrats have supported walls and wall money before. You have to frame it in a way they can support it again.

[Edited on 1/10/2019 by nebish]


What you're pointing out, Neb, is there are NO ACTUAL DETAILS FOR THE WALL....Mostly because the Wall was and remains nothing more than a campaign slogan. Which is why he made the claim that Mexico would pay for it...A very easy claim given he never had any intention of actually building it. Which is why he initially agreed to the House and Senate bill passed just prior to the shut down.

It was only when two female right wing talk radio personalities called him a pussy for agreeing to McConnell's bill that he suddenly decided to refuse. That should tell everyone just how much of a man child we have in the Oval office. Not only is he incompetent but he's so thin skinned and spineless that he can't even stand up to Ann Coulter and Laura Ingram (sp)....

 

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On Trump's red meat rallies this is what he intended. Of course the lock her up crowd drinking from the Fountain Of Trump understood this at the rallies, and of course this is exactly what Trump meant along. This is comedy gold.

"Trump claims he never said Mexico would cut a check for the wall. Let’s go to the tape."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/10/trump-claims-he-never-sa id-mexico-would-cut-check-wall-lets-go-tape/?utm_term=.8e597f516b2c

 

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Lots of good points nebish and I'm sure most Americans feel similarly. Obviously border security is important but a wall will not be the only fix many think it will.

As for the president, it's just a lightning rod topic for him to rile up his supporters. When he said Mexico was going to pay for it, he lost all credibility with sensible thinking citizens regarding the issue. To hell with him.

Countless times throughout our nation's history, immigrants (legal or not) and immigration policies have been targets for political agendas. Sadly, it will continue.


Strat, your voice is a welcome post in these threads!

Trump is over promising on what a wall will do. Additional and upgraded physical barriers can help. The reality is too many of his supporters just think it is the be all-end-all. Trump is not the first person to promote wall/fence on the Mexican border. He is the first one to call for one the entire length, and definitely hit a nerve on both sides. A wall the entire length is virtually impossible anyway. Plus when you hang your hat on Mexico paying for it, then you kind of have to get Mexico to pay for it to maintain any credibility. Ultimately our border security is our responsibility and the only way to do it is take something both sides can agree to. That is our system. He doesn’t/t get it.


Thanks Nebish. You've never made any of your posts personal regardless of topic. Well done.

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This is what Congress is like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTcRRaXV-fg


 

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Bella is helping out her Mom who is furloughed. She's amazing. We should buy some of that scrub!

https://www.etsy.com/shop/BellaSweetScrubs

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/11-old-girl-starts-her-own-business-while-1333061 53--abc-news-topstories.html

Bella started Bella Sweet Scrubs using a recipe she and her mom used to make body scrubs during a day they spent together in December. She began by selling the scrubs to neighbors and friends and now has her own store on Etsy, where she ships them to customers across the country.

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Virginia Senator Warner introduces legislation to help furloughed workers.

The Federal Employee Civil Relief Act addresses the real threat of federal workers losing their homes, falling behind on student loans and other bills, having their car repossessed, or losing their health insurance because they have been furloughed during a shutdown or required to work without pay. Modeled after the Servicemembers Relief Act, the legislation will prohibit landlords and creditors from taking action against federal workers or contractors who are hurt by the government shutdown and unable to pay rent or repay loans. The bill would also empower federal workers to sue creditors or landlords that violate this protection. The Federal Employee Civil Relief Act would safeguard workers impacted by a shutdown from the following:

Being evicted or foreclosed;
Having their car or other property repossessed;
Falling behind in student loan payments;
Falling behind in paying bills; or
Losing their insurance because of missed premiums.
The protection would last during and 30 days following a shutdown to give workers a chance to keep up with their bills. The partial government shutdown, now in its third week, hurts hundreds of thousands of federal employees and contractors. Virginia alone is home to more than 170,000 federal workers.

Additional cosponsors of the bill include U.S. Sens. Ben Cardin (D-MD), Chris Van Hollen (D-MD), Maggie Hassan (D-NH), Martin Heinrich (D-NM), Cory Booker (D-NJ), Chris Murphy (D-CT), Tammy Baldwin (D-WI), Sherrod Brown (D-OH), Mazie K. Hirono (D-HI) and Catherine Cortez Masto (D-NV).

https://www.warner.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2019/1/warner-introduces-leg islation-to-protect-federal-workers-who-fall-behind-on-bills-during-trump-s hutdown


Remarks: That's nice, but how are the banks going to deal with the 800,000 people not paying for their houses? Where to do they get the money to cover those losses? Will we need another banking bailout if this shut down continues in the long term?



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  posted on 1/18/2019 at 05:59 PM
For some workers they will end up declaring bankruptcy such as this couple.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/well-have-no-other-option-than-declaring- bankruptcy-how-the-shutdown-could-impact-government-workers-for-months/ar-B BSr40T?li=BBnb7Kz

 

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  posted on 1/18/2019 at 07:43 PM
How bad is it? W is delivering pizza to his Secret Service detail. Seriously. There's a picture of him doing it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/president-george-w-bush-delivers-222826831.html

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsykhY0Asju/?utm_source=ig_embed


AND only 21 of the 80 people who take care of the W.H. are reporting to work. At least a chef and a butler are still coming in. If Trump had to live on McDonalds, BK and Wendy's, he's have to do some serious exercise, those meals are great but can add on the pounds.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/shutdown-hits-home-trump-lives-government-housin g-180400475--politics.html





[Edited on 1/19/2019 by gina]

[Edited on 1/19/2019 by gina]

 

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