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  posted on 11/19/2018 at 10:41 PM
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Sorry you don't appreciate democracy


Not applicable, of course I do. One State should not dictate policy, ever.

 

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  posted on 11/19/2018 at 10:51 PM
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Sorry you don't appreciate democracy


Not applicable, of course I do. One State should not dictate policy, ever.


Of course not, but if "All Men are Created Equal," then every citizen should have equal representation. You may be happy that each citizen of Wyoming gets a greater say as to who is president or who sits on the Supreme Court than a citizen of NY or CA, but that goes against one of the founding principles of this nation. And when the constitution was ratified we didn't exactly have the massive variations in population between states that we do now.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2018 at 10:33 AM
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Not applicable, of course I do. One State should not dictate policy, ever.


Of course not, but if "All Men are Created Equal," then every citizen should have equal representation.


They currently do, it is referred to as participation in the system, or Voting

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You may be happy that each citizen of Wyoming gets a greater say as to who is president or who sits on the Supreme Court than a citizen of NY or CA, but that goes against one of the founding principles of this nation. And when the constitution was ratified we didn't exactly have the massive variations in population between states that we do now.


If you think the population of Wyoming is small now, imagine it in 1890 at the time of Statehood...

California currently has 55 Electoral votes and Montana has THREE. Now tell me how Montana and its voters have a bigger say than California?... C'mon man, the Fathers got it right, otherwise this would be the United States of Caliyork.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2018 at 10:46 AM
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California currently has 55 Electoral votes and Montana has THREE. Now tell me how Montana and its voters have a bigger say than California?... C'mon man, the Fathers got it right, otherwise this would be the United States of Caliyork.


What he's referring to is the ratio of residents:electoral votes. States with smaller populations sometimes carry more electoral power because of the 3 electoral minimum.

Population:electoral votes

CA 39M:55 = means 1 electoral vote represents 709K people in California.
WY 579K:3 = means 1 electoral vote represents 193K people in Wyoming.

Therefore, a vote cast in Wyoming carries more than 3 times the weight of a vote cast in California for a national election.

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  posted on 11/20/2018 at 12:26 PM
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California currently has 55 Electoral votes and Montana has THREE. Now tell me how Montana and its voters have a bigger say than California?... C'mon man, the Fathers got it right, otherwise this would be the United States of Caliyork.


What he's referring to is the ratio of residents:electoral votes. States with smaller populations sometimes carry more electoral power because of the 3 electoral minimum.

Population:electoral votes

CA 39M:55 = means 1 electoral vote represents 709K people in California.
WY 579K:3 = means 1 electoral vote represents 193K people in Wyoming.

Therefore, a vote cast in Wyoming carries more than 3 times the weight of a vote cast in California for a national election.



Even Trump called the Electoral College unfair, until of course it benefited him.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2018 at 12:30 PM
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Even Trump called the Electoral College unfair, until of course it benefited him.


The next time a Presidential Election hinges on the Electoral College and the Democratic Candidate wins as a result....

.....All lips will be sealed

 

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  posted on 11/20/2018 at 01:10 PM
The definition of a good compromise is that both sides feel they got short changed. Maybe the founding fathers knew what they were doing.
 

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  posted on 11/20/2018 at 01:21 PM
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The next time a Presidential Election hinges on the Electoral College and the Democratic Candidate wins as a result....

.....All lips will be sealed


When Bush won by electoral in 2000 there wasn't anything like this from Gore (who I can't stand btw):



Hillary Clinton didn't bash the electoral college when Trump got elected.

If it happens again Trump will about face and go right back to whining like he did when Obama won both electoral and popular. "THE LOSER ONE"! LOL

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  posted on 11/20/2018 at 03:23 PM
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It is truly weird how they react to criticism of Trump as if they are extensions of the Master's Will and it is criticism of themselves. Saw a recent poster here bellyaching how folks think he is a POS if he likes the prez.


x2. It’s very telling. I think Obama “fans” behaved the same way, but when you compare the character of each President.......sheesh! If you believe you relate to Obama, good for you. If you feel you relate to Trump, then I’m so sorry, and I hope you get they help you need.


 

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  posted on 11/20/2018 at 04:47 PM
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The definition of a good compromise is that both sides feel they got short changed.


Excellent. To whom is this quote attributed?

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Maybe the founding fathers knew what they were doing.


I certainly believe this.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2018 at 05:47 PM
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I'm sure The Cult of Trump members will be along soon to defend this.


It is truly weird how they react to criticism of Trump as if they are extensions of the Master's Will and it is criticism of themselves. Saw a recent poster here bellyaching how folks think he is a POS if he likes the prez. Strange how they identify so completely with their idol. Creepsville.






That is so horrible but there were also remarks about the Washington Post reporter Jamal Kashoggi's killing that were troubling.

 

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  posted on 11/26/2018 at 04:42 PM
Democrats attack President Trump for defending the U.S. border.

When Obama did the same thing, the Democrats remained silent.

The Democrats now use hypocrisy instead of patriotism.

When hundreds of illegal migrants attempted to storm past the U.S. border on Sunday, border patrol agents engaged the mob — and when the crowd began hurling rocks and debris, authorities deployed tear gas.

The mainstream media immediately using the incident to attack President Donald Trump, accusing him of using inhumane tactics on women and children. Democratic lawmakers blasted the president as well, calling the border patrol’s actions “shameful” and “disgusting.”

So where were these complaints in 2013, when former President Barack Obama’s border patrol did the same exact thing?

“In 2013, during the Obama administration, Border Patrol agents reportedly used pepper spray to fend off a group of approximately 100 migrants who attempted to rush the same San Ysidro port of entry”.


Obama agents pepper-sprayed migrants: History challenges caravan response outrage
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obama-agents-pepper-sprayed-migrants-histo ry-challenges-caravan-response-outrage

Democrats are expressing outrage that U.S. border agents on Sunday shot rounds of tear gas at caravan migrants who threw rocks at law enforcement while trying to breach the U.S.-Mexico border. But critics hammering the Trump administration are glossing over a similar episode that occurred under then-President Barack Obama.

In 2013, during the Obama administration, Border Patrol agents reportedly used pepper spray to fend off a group of approximately 100 migrants who attempted to rush the same San Ysidro port of entry.

A San Diego Union-Tribune article at the time said agents fired "pepper balls" and used other “intermediate use-of-force devices” to repel the crowd. The migrants in that confrontation also reportedly threw rocks and bottles at U.S. authorities.

But with the national spotlight on Sunday's caravan clash at San Ysidro, Democrats are lashing out at the Trump administration.

TRUMP TELLS MEXICO TO SHIP MIGRANTS HOME OR SEE BORDER PERMANENTLY CLOSED

In a tweet directed at the president on Monday, New York Democratic Rep. Carolyn Maloney said, “Migrants at our border are looking for help. Yet, instead of greeting them w understanding, you deploy tear gas. Shameful & disgusting.”

New York Democratic Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand called the use of tear gas “horrendous.”

“We must hold those responsible accountable,” Gillibrand tweeted. “Children who approach our country looking for asylum should be welcomed with open arms, not with tear gas.”

Ben Rhodes, the former Obama administration adviser, tweeted: “It’s wrong to gas women and children and the elderly. That shouldn’t be a partisan view, nor should that be uncomfortable to ‘the men and women in duty.’”

Rhodes, in particular, faced online pushback over his comments from conservatives, who referenced the 2013 episode during the Obama years.

“Ben Rhodes was part of an administration that did the very same exact thing,” conservative commentator Stephen Miller said.

The Trump administration, meanwhile, defended the response on Sunday. Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said in a statement some migrants "attempted to breach legacy fence infrastructure along the border and sought to harm [U.S. Customs and Border Protection] personnel by throwing projectiles at them.”

The criticism from Democrats follows other examples of liberals blasting Trump for things that also happened in prior administrations, including sending troops to the border, as Obama did in 2010.

In May, liberal activists and journalists also incorrectly shared pictures of children sleeping in enclosed cages from 2014 to take a swipe at the Trump administration and its zero-tolerance policy toward parents and children crossing the border illegally. Those photos were taken during the Obama administration.

The latest confrontation with caravan members has captured lawmakers' attention. The clash Sunday came as hundreds of migrants from a caravan that originated in Central American pushed past Mexican riot police and rushed the border at the port of entry in San Ysidro.

HUNDREDS OF MIGRANTS TRY RUSHING TOWARD CALIFORNIA PORT OF ENTRY, AS TRUMP THREATENS TO CLOSE ENTIRE BORDER
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On Monday, Trump offered Mexico some advice on deporting migrants massed in Tijuana and threatening to storm the U.S., telling the neighboring nation in a tweet to send them “back to their countries” by plane or by bus – or face a permanent closure of the border.

HOMELAND SECURITY ARRESTS ABOUT 50 MIGRANTS WHO CROSSED US BORDER, OFFICIAL SAYS

Trump’s tweet followed a vow from Mexico to deport migrants who tried to illegally enter the U.S. The Trump administration has said asylum claims from members of a series of caravans originating in Central America must be processed outside the U.S., and that all those entering illegally will be denied. A federal judge has at least temporarily ruled against the policy, but the administration has taken steps to harden the border.

“Mexico should move the flag waving Migrants, many of whom are stone cold criminals, back to their countries,” Trump tweeted early Monday morning. “Do it by plane, do it by bus, do it anyway you want, but they are NOT coming into the U.S.A. We will close the Border permanently if need be. Congress, fund the WALL!”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obama-agents-pepper-sprayed-migrants-histo ry-challenges-caravan-response-outrage





 

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  posted on 11/26/2018 at 09:10 PM
It's off topic but it's the WP
Current Headline

"7 nooses found by Mississippi Capitol before Senate runoff"

60-something years on, the Phil Ochs song "Here's To The State of Mississippi" continues to be right -- racist slimeballs continue to grow out from under rocks, and fester there

why would immigrants want anything to do w/the USA with Hitler-like stuff like that, mass shootings etc, still devouring the soul of America

on topic, don't know why the immigration problem is so difficult

 

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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 11:20 AM
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In 2013, during the Obama administration, Border Patrol agents reportedly used pepper spray to fend off a group of approximately 100 migrants who attempted to rush the same San Ysidro port of entry.


Sounds like the Obama admin was enforcing border security. Then why are you always screeching how Obama was against a secure border?

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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 11:40 AM
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In 2013, during the Obama administration, Border Patrol agents reportedly used pepper spray to fend off a group of approximately 100 migrants who attempted to rush the same San Ysidro port of entry.


Sounds like the Obama admin was enforcing border security. Then why are you always screeching how Obama was against a secure border?


I guess the point is that both Administrations have done it. So, you are either for it, or against it.

Where do you stand?

 

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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 11:50 AM
I'm for open borders.
 

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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 11:56 AM
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I'm for open borders.


Could not disagree more.

But thanks for clearing that up.

 

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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 12:12 PM

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Could not disagree more.

But thanks for clearing that up.


No problem. My opinion is moot, a pipe dream of an uattainable world of cooperation and prosperity. So nothing to argue about, the Babylonian warring nation-state paradigm isn't going away anytime soon. We all have our Quixotic visionary quirks, like actually living the teachings of Christ, or having a Libertarian in the Whie House.


 

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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 12:18 PM
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a pipe dream of an unattainable world of cooperation and prosperity


Not "unattainable"...just not going to happen until every nation carries its own weight. No one wants to consistently carry or support anyone. Marriages, friendships, neighborhoods etc. Everyone is successful and content when the load and responsibility are shared by all involved.

 

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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 12:26 PM
" Why is the Immigration Problem so Difficult"

I would add that the refugees seeking "Asylum" are not strengthening their case by flying the Flag of the Country they are fleeing while claiming oppression. Not throwing rocks when their attempt to scale a border wall is refused night also help their cause, as would the cessation of placing children in the front lines....

A U.S. Flag or two might even send a positive message.

 

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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 12:32 PM
Pardon me if I don't take this too seriously, partisan squabbling over border scuffles is a pretty tired standard number by now. As for the ideals in question:

To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not go

To right the unrightable wrong
To love pure and chaste from afar
To try when your arms are too weary
To reach the unreachable star

This is my quest to follow that star
No matter how hopeless, no matter how far
To fight for the right
Without question or pause
To be willing to march
Into hell for a heavenly cause

And I know if I'll only be true
To this glorious quest
That my heart will lie peaceful and calm
When I'm laid to my rest

And the world will be better for this
That one man, scorned and covered with scars
Still strove with his last ounce of courage
To reach the unreachable star
The fight the unbeatable foe
To dream the impossible dream




 

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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 12:40 PM
Gotta agree they are a-holes with their ridiculous flags.

Btw BigV, the Don Quixote optical illusion painting is by Octavio Campo, a Mexican artist, his work is handled in the US by a gallery in Sedona, north side of town on 89a, originals hanging there, he did a great John Lennon, same composite illusion style.

Sedona gallery link:

https://visionsfineart.com/ocampo/index.html


 

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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 01:06 PM
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Sounds like the Obama admin was enforcing border security. Then why are you always screeching how Obama was against a secure border?


And why would Trump copy his most hated nemesis that he thinks is a horrible failure?



 

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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 01:16 PM
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The mainstream media immediately using the incident to attack President Donald Trump


Since you use other people’s talking points instead of your own words, what is the definition of the “mainstream media”?

Gotta love the people that bash the mainstream media as they post a link from the mainstream media and cite the mainstream media as fact.

 

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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 01:18 PM
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Democrats attack President Trump for defending the U.S. border.

When Obama did the same thing, the Democrats remained silent.


Mule is shocked to hear that politicians play politics in Washington.

 
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