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  posted on 11/19/2018 at 08:57 AM
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Having traveled extensively and talked to people all over the world, the one thing universal is blaming someone who has less than you for all of your problems. If you go to the Dominican Republic they like to blame their problems on the Haitians. Go to Puerto Rico and they like to blame their problems on the Dominicans. Go to parts of New York and they like to blame the Puerto Ricans. And on and on it goes. So right now Americans blame the Mexicans who blame the Hondurans who blame the El Salvadorans. Notice nobody blames those who have more than them for taking advantage of their labor, it's always blaming those with less because you look down on them.


Very well stated. Itís the same in our own communities.

 

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Having traveled extensively and talked to people all over the world, the one thing universal is blaming someone who has less than you for all of your problems. If you go to the Dominican Republic they like to blame their problems on the Haitians. Go to Puerto Rico and they like to blame their problems on the Dominicans. Go to parts of New York and they like to blame the Puerto Ricans. And on and on it goes. So right now Americans blame the Mexicans who blame the Hondurans who blame the El Salvadorans. Notice nobody blames those who have more than them for taking advantage of their labor, it's always blaming those with less because you look down on them.


Very well stated. Itís the same in our own communities.


Disagree. It is not about "Blaming". It is about calling out people who choose to cross the border ILLEGALLY for what ever reason. It is about about the financial burden they place on Hospitals & Schools. It is about People voting who are NOT citizens, being given Driver's Licences when they do not deserve them. Please don't tell me the only price to pay is "Pennies on the dollar" be cause if that is true, then sign me up, I too would love to have all of these things for just pennies on the dollar. Think they are just looking for work? Think they just need a hand?...YOU help them. YOU hire them. But do not pattempt to place that guilt on the rest of us.

 

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The horde really need to hire a new PR firm. Even the corrupt liberal media is reporting that the Tijuana citizens want them out:


'Out! Out!' Tijuana Protesters Call for Migrant Caravan to Leave
http://time.com/5458448/tijuana-protest-migrant-caravan-u-s-border/

Violence breaks out as first wave of migrant caravan arrives in Tijuana, Mexico
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/11/15/migrant-caravan-viole nce-erupts-migrants-pack-into-tijuana-mexico/2015599002/

Protesters in Tijuana, Mexico, want migrant caravan to leave
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/protesters-tijuana-mexico-want-migrant-c aravan-leave-n937761

 

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  posted on 11/19/2018 at 11:57 AM
There are four parts to this equation: the illegal immigrants, the United States government, American workers, and American business owners. The illegals could stop coming here illegally. The US government could do more to stop them. American business owners and farmers could stop hiring them. Americans who are unemployed could fill those field jobs. To only focus on the illegals is as cowardly as it gets.
 

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  posted on 11/19/2018 at 12:15 PM
Not to mention the global corporations that destroy local economies worldwide and displace the entire population of the planet.
 

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Having traveled extensively and talked to people all over the world, the one thing universal is blaming someone who has less than you for all of your problems. If you go to the Dominican Republic they like to blame their problems on the Haitians. Go to Puerto Rico and they like to blame their problems on the Dominicans. Go to parts of New York and they like to blame the Puerto Ricans. And on and on it goes. So right now Americans blame the Mexicans who blame the Hondurans who blame the El Salvadorans. Notice nobody blames those who have more than them for taking advantage of their labor, it's always blaming those with less because you look down on them.


Very well stated. Itís the same in our own communities.


Disagree. It is not about "Blaming". It is about calling out people who choose to cross the border ILLEGALLY for what ever reason. It is about about the financial burden they place on Hospitals & Schools. It is about People voting who are NOT citizens, being given Driver's Licences when they do not deserve them. Please don't tell me the only price to pay is "Pennies on the dollar" be cause if that is true, then sign me up, I too would love to have all of these things for just pennies on the dollar. Think they are just looking for work? Think they just need a hand?...YOU help them. YOU hire them. But do not pattempt to place that guilt on the rest of us.


Are these the same people that Trump says go to their cars, change their shirts, and then go vote a second time? Pretty cool - not only are they voting illegally but are doing it twice. That's quite an accomplishment.

 

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Are these the same people that Trump says go to their cars, change their shirts, and then go vote a second time? Pretty cool - not only are they voting illegally but are doing it twice. That's quite an accomplishment.


You tell me because I have no idea. But I will share this with you. I now live in Sedona, AZ where I just voted in the National election. I walked into my Polling station and informed the official present that the address on my License was not "up to date" with my new address... (I had on a prior visit to the DMV in Cottonwood given that info to the clerk who in turn entered that info into the State's database all while assuring me that would be sufficient). At the Polling place they let me Vote but told me my Vote was "Provisional" until my change of address could be verified. All necessary because I was honest.

Quite a contrast to California where I lived for the better part of 40 years... NO I.D. is necessary to Vote because that is deemed "Unfair" to those who "can not" provide it.

Now, you tell me where the possibility of voting twice or more, is more prevalent?

 

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The illegals could stop coming here illegally.


Not until Mexico steps up and begins to take care of its own, they have the resources

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Build the wall

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American business owners and farmers could stop hiring them.


We are in agreement here, they should be fined heavily when caught.

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Americans who are unemployed could fill those field jobs.


Is not the argument of the Democratic Party " A livable minimum wage"? The other argument is "These are jobs no one wants"...You can't have it both ways.

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To only focus on the illegals is as cowardly as it gets.


Not the "Focus" but I ask. "Are they breaking the Law by entering Illegally"?..Ahh but the usual retort, "Are you perfect?...Do you break Laws"?

And I would answer... "Is owning a Gun without a License, Illegal"?

 

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  posted on 11/19/2018 at 02:26 PM
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Are these the same people that Trump says go to their cars, change their shirts, and then go vote a second time? Pretty cool - not only are they voting illegally but are doing it twice. That's quite an accomplishment.


You tell me because I have no idea. But I will share this with you. I now live in Sedona, AZ where I just voted in the National election. I walked into my Polling station and informed the official present that the address on my License was not "up to date" with my new address... (I had on a prior visit to the DMV in Cottonwood given that info to the clerk who in turn entered that info into the State's database all while assuring me that would be sufficient). At the Polling place they let me Vote but told me my Vote was "Provisional" until my change of address could be verified. All necessary because I was honest.

Quite a contrast to California where I lived for the better part of 40 years... NO I.D. is necessary to Vote because that is deemed "Unfair" to those who "can not" provide it.

Now, you tell me where the possibility of voting twice or more, is more prevalent?


Ah...that makes perfectly good sense. That would be the answer to Trump's claim of millions of illegal votes and why the "much loved and adored HC on this site" won the popular vote. The interesting thing is that voter suppression guy (Kris Kobach) appointed by Trump to head the voter fraud commission for some reason couldn't find all the illegal votes. I mean the guy's a pro - spent a career doing this until the commission was decommissioned & he lost the recent election in Kansas to become governor. If Kris can't find find those votes, nobody can.

 

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  posted on 11/19/2018 at 03:28 PM
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Are these the same people that Trump says go to their cars, change their shirts, and then go vote a second time? Pretty cool - not only are they voting illegally but are doing it twice. That's quite an accomplishment.


You tell me because I have no idea. But I will share this with you. I now live in Sedona, AZ where I just voted in the National election. I walked into my Polling station and informed the official present that the address on my License was not "up to date" with my new address... (I had on a prior visit to the DMV in Cottonwood given that info to the clerk who in turn entered that info into the State's database all while assuring me that would be sufficient). At the Polling place they let me Vote but told me my Vote was "Provisional" until my change of address could be verified. All necessary because I was honest.

Quite a contrast to California where I lived for the better part of 40 years... NO I.D. is necessary to Vote because that is deemed "Unfair" to those who "can not" provide it.

Now, you tell me where the possibility of voting twice or more, is more prevalent?


In California, you have to sign to get your ballot, and they check the signature just like they do mail in ballots. Some fraud I'm sure happens, but it certainly doesn't seem to be widespread.

Funny how checking signatures to prevent fraud takes time, but when there is a close election Trump and his fans like to cry fraud and want to go with the election day vote, before signatures are checked. Fraud isn't what concerns Republicans, only counting the votes that benefit them does.

 

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  posted on 11/19/2018 at 04:23 PM
In California, the Dems picked off a number of seats and including Republican stronghold, Orange County thanks to Mr. Trump.

Thank you, Donald. Just keep doing what you're doing, and in 2020 America truly will be great again thanks to all your winning.

 

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In California, you have to sign to get your ballot, and they check the signature just like they do mail in ballots


Incorrect. Your signature is required only when you register to Vote and or on-line. On Voting day, you can walk into a Polling station and point to "your" name and yes, you may simply make a mark next to said name.

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That would be the answer to Trump's claim of millions of illegal votes and why the "much loved and adored HC on this site" won the popular vote.


She certainly won in California.

 

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In California, you have to sign to get your ballot, and they check the signature just like they do mail in ballots


Incorrect. Your signature is required only when you register to Vote and or on-line. On Voting day, you can walk into a Polling station and point to "your" name and yes, you may simply make a mark next to said name.



I've had to sign the book next to my name each and every time I've voted for the last 30+ years in California, and that includes 3 different counties. My wife is a permanent mail in voter and where her name is in the book it says "mail in voter" where she would have to sign. Not sure which county you tried to vote in California, but if you didn't sign the book your vote might not have been counted.

 

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In California, you have to sign to get your ballot, and they check the signature just like they do mail in ballots


Incorrect. Your signature is required only when you register to Vote and or on-line. On Voting day, you can walk into a Polling station and point to "your" name and yes, you may simply make a mark next to said name.

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That would be the answer to Trump's claim of millions of illegal votes and why the "much loved and adored HC on this site" won the popular vote.


She certainly won in California.


Actually she won the popular vote in the United States. In spite of winning the electoral college, that is something that Trump still resents & attempts to attribute to fraud and illegals...without any proof to support his swollen ego. He sure does make a lot of claims that are factually proven to be false.

 

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5,800 troops that Trump rushed to the border just ahead of the election in response to the caravan are now heading home, just as the caravan is expected to arrive.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/19/troops-us-mexico-border-come-home -1005510

 

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5,800 troops that Trump rushed to the border just ahead of the election in response to the caravan are now heading home, just as the caravan is expected to arrive.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/19/troops-us-mexico-border-come-home -1005510



What a waste of taxpayer money he orchestrated all for show.

He pulls stunts to lure the base. They can't see through his facade. Thick or thin they'll be with him. In the end, he'll lose, and they'll be trying to figure out why.

 

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5,800 troops that Trump rushed to the border just ahead of the election in response to the caravan are now heading home, just as the caravan is expected to arrive.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/19/troops-us-mexico-border-come-home -1005510



What a waste of taxpayer money he orchestrated all for show.

He pulls stunts to lure the base. They can't see through his facade. Thick or thin they'll be with him. In the end, he'll lose, and they'll be trying to figure out why.


I'm sure The Cult of Trump members will be along soon to defend this.

 

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Actually she won the popular vote in the United States.


Not without California

 

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  posted on 11/19/2018 at 08:04 PM
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I'm sure The Cult of Trump members will be along soon to defend this.


It is truly weird how they react to criticism of Trump as if they are extensions of the Master's Will and it is criticism of themselves. Saw a recent poster here bellyaching how folks think he is a POS if he likes the prez. Strange how they identify so completely with their idol. Creepsville.





 

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  posted on 11/19/2018 at 08:27 PM
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Actually she won the popular vote in the United States.


Not without California


Last I checked California was part of the USA. Since California provides significant more tax revenue to the fedeal government then it gets back, it seems only fair the California should get a say in the election as well. After all, California already get's the smallest per capita representation in the senate than any other state. The Electoral College is already unfair to the high population states. Seems like we should award electoral votes based on tax contribution to the US coffers. Seems that would be a Republican thing to do.

 

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The Electoral College is already unfair to the high population states.


Unfair? Are you kidding?...That was the whole idea; small population states would have very little representation otherwise.

 

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Unfair? Are you kidding?...That was the whole idea; small population states would have very little representation otherwise.


Yes, I understand that was a compromise when they wrote the constitution, but as it is a California's population is greater than the population of the 21 least populous states combined. So California gets 2 senators and the 21 least populous states get 42 senators. That is quite a underrepresentation in the senate for California.

 

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Unfair? Are you kidding?...That was the whole idea; small population states would have very little representation otherwise.


Yes, I understand that was a compromise when they wrote the constitution, but as it is a California's population is greater than the population of the 21 least populous states combined. So California gets 2 senators and the 21 least populous states get 42 senators. That is quite a underrepresentation in the senate for California.


After living there for the better part of my life, I am elated that politics in California does not dictate what happens in the rest of the Union.

 

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The Electoral College is already unfair to the high population states.


Unfair? Are you kidding?...That was the whole idea; small population states would have very little representation otherwise.


Yes, I understand that was a compromise when they wrote the constitution, but as it is a California's population is greater than the population of the 21 least populous states combined. So California gets 2 senators and the 21 least populous states get 42 senators. That is quite a underrepresentation in the senate for California.


After living there for the better part of my life, I am elated that politics in California does not dictate what happens in the rest of the Union.


Sorry you don't appreciate democracy. Don't worry, it seems like we are getting closer to totalitarian rule all the time.

 

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The Electoral College is already unfair to the high population states.


Unfair? Are you kidding?...That was the whole idea; small population states would have very little representation otherwise.


Yes, I understand that was a compromise when they wrote the constitution, but as it is a California's population is greater than the population of the 21 least populous states combined. So California gets 2 senators and the 21 least populous states get 42 senators. That is quite a underrepresentation in the senate for California.


After living there for the better part of my life, I am elated that politics in California does not dictate what happens in the rest of the Union.


Sorry you don't appreciate democracy. Don't worry, it seems like we are getting closer to totalitarian rule all the time.

 
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