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  posted on 10/26/2018 at 06:18 PM
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"Simple majority in the House"

Wrong.



From the US House of Reps site:

https://www.house.gov/the-house-explained/the-legislative-process

If the bill passes by simple majority (218 of 435), the bill moves to the Senate. In the Senate, the bill is assigned to another committee and, if released, debated and voted on. Again, a simple majority (51 of 100) passes the bill. Finally, a conference committee made of House and Senate members works out any differences between the House and Senate versions of the bill. The resulting bill returns to the House and Senate for final approval.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2018 at 06:26 PM
The talking point today is anything but the health care pre existing fight and the bomb situation that they have called a hoax for 2 days.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2018 at 06:31 PM
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President Trump offer the Democrats a deal that included immigration reform that would have solved the problems along with a solution to help the so-called “Dreamers”.

The Democrats refused to even discuss the matter.

The Democrats do not want a solution, they want the issue.




The Republicans control both houses of Congress. The only way the deal failed is if some Republicans did not support it.




The Republicans do not "control" both houses of Congress. The Republicans have the majority in both houses of Congress because The American People threw the Democrats out of control.

To pass immigration legislation, how many votes is required in The House and The Senate?


Simple majority in each house.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2018 at 06:35 PM
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President Trump offer the Democrats a deal that included immigration reform that would have solved the problems along with a solution to help the so-called “Dreamers”.

The Democrats refused to even discuss the matter.

The Democrats do not want a solution, they want the issue.




The Republicans control both houses of Congress. The only way the deal failed is if some Republicans did not support it.




The Republicans do not "control" both houses of Congress. The Republicans have the majority in both houses of Congress because The American People threw the Democrats out of control.

To pass immigration legislation, how many votes is required in The House and The Senate?


Simple majority in each house.



Go back to school junior.
While you are there try to learn the difference between control of the House vs. a majority.




 

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  posted on 10/26/2018 at 06:48 PM
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President Trump offer the Democrats a deal that included immigration reform that would have solved the problems along with a solution to help the so-called “Dreamers”.

The Democrats refused to even discuss the matter.

The Democrats do not want a solution, they want the issue.




The Republicans control both houses of Congress. The only way the deal failed is if some Republicans did not support it.




The Republicans do not "control" both houses of Congress. The Republicans have the majority in both houses of Congress because The American People threw the Democrats out of control.

To pass immigration legislation, how many votes is required in The House and The Senate?


Simple majority in each house.



Go back to school junior.
While you are there try to learn the difference between control of the House vs. a majority.






You skipped by BrerRabbit's post.


From the US House of Reps site:

https://www.house.gov/the-house-explained/the-legislative-process

If the bill passes by simple majority (218 of 435), the bill moves to the Senate. In the Senate, the bill is assigned to another committee and, if released, debated and voted on. Again, a simple majority (51 of 100) passes the bill. Finally, a conference committee made of House and Senate members works out any differences between the House and Senate versions of the bill. The resulting bill returns to the House and Senate for final approval.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2018 at 06:54 PM
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President Trump offer the Democrats a deal that included immigration reform that would have solved the problems along with a solution to help the so-called “Dreamers”.

The Democrats refused to even discuss the matter.

The Democrats do not want a solution, they want the issue.




The Republicans control both houses of Congress. The only way the deal failed is if some Republicans did not support it.




The Republicans do not "control" both houses of Congress. The Republicans have the majority in both houses of Congress because The American People threw the Democrats out of control.

To pass immigration legislation, how many votes is required in The House and The Senate?


Simple majority in each house.



Go back to school junior.
While you are there try to learn the difference between control of the House vs. a majority.






You skipped by BrerRabbit's post.


From the US House of Reps site:

https://www.house.gov/the-house-explained/the-legislative-process

If the bill passes by simple majority (218 of 435), the bill moves to the Senate. In the Senate, the bill is assigned to another committee and, if released, debated and voted on. Again, a simple majority (51 of 100) passes the bill. Finally, a conference committee made of House and Senate members works out any differences between the House and Senate versions of the bill. The resulting bill returns to the House and Senate for final approval.




The simple majority vote in The House is needed to move a bill to The Senate.
The resulting bill returns to the House and Senate for final approval requiring a 2/3 majority for final passage in The House.


[Edited on 10/26/2018 by Muleman1994]

 

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  posted on 10/26/2018 at 07:10 PM
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President Trump offer the Democrats a deal that included immigration reform that would have solved the problems along with a solution to help the so-called “Dreamers”.

The Democrats refused to even discuss the matter.

The Democrats do not want a solution, they want the issue.




The Republicans control both houses of Congress. The only way the deal failed is if some Republicans did not support it.




The Republicans do not "control" both houses of Congress. The Republicans have the majority in both houses of Congress because The American People threw the Democrats out of control.

To pass immigration legislation, how many votes is required in The House and The Senate?


Simple majority in each house.



Go back to school junior.
While you are there try to learn the difference between control of the House vs. a majority.






You skipped by BrerRabbit's post.


From the US House of Reps site:

https://www.house.gov/the-house-explained/the-legislative-process

If the bill passes by simple majority (218 of 435), the bill moves to the Senate. In the Senate, the bill is assigned to another committee and, if released, debated and voted on. Again, a simple majority (51 of 100) passes the bill. Finally, a conference committee made of House and Senate members works out any differences between the House and Senate versions of the bill. The resulting bill returns to the House and Senate for final approval.




The simple majority vote in The House is needed to move a bill to The Senate.
The resulting bill returns to the House and Senate for final approval requiring a 2/3 majority for final passage in The House.


[Edited on 10/26/2018 by Muleman1994]


So, you are saying the the Houss of Representatives web site is lying? Nowhere does it say that a 2/3 majority is needed. OK, so let's go back to the actual voting in June.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/394437-house-rejects-second-gop-immigrat ion-bill

Only 121 Republicans backed it, compared to 193 for the earlier measure. Two Republicans did not cast votes on Wednesday, while 112 Republicans voted against it.

Care to correct your invalid claims?

 

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  posted on 10/26/2018 at 07:18 PM
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President Trump offer the Democrats a deal that included immigration reform that would have solved the problems along with a solution to help the so-called “Dreamers”.

The Democrats refused to even discuss the matter.

The Democrats do not want a solution, they want the issue.




The Republicans control both houses of Congress. The only way the deal failed is if some Republicans did not support it.




The Republicans do not "control" both houses of Congress. The Republicans have the majority in both houses of Congress because The American People threw the Democrats out of control.

To pass immigration legislation, how many votes is required in The House and The Senate?


Simple majority in each house.



Go back to school junior.
While you are there try to learn the difference between control of the House vs. a majority.






You skipped by BrerRabbit's post.


From the US House of Reps site:

https://www.house.gov/the-house-explained/the-legislative-process

If the bill passes by simple majority (218 of 435), the bill moves to the Senate. In the Senate, the bill is assigned to another committee and, if released, debated and voted on. Again, a simple majority (51 of 100) passes the bill. Finally, a conference committee made of House and Senate members works out any differences between the House and Senate versions of the bill. The resulting bill returns to the House and Senate for final approval.




The simple majority vote in The House is needed to move a bill to The Senate.
The resulting bill returns to the House and Senate for final approval requiring a 2/3 majority for final passage in The House.


[Edited on 10/26/2018 by Muleman1994]


So, you are saying the the Houss of Representatives web site is lying? Nowhere does it say that a 2/3 majority is needed. OK, so let's go back to the actual voting in June.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/394437-house-rejects-second-gop-immigrat ion-bill

Only 121 Republicans backed it, compared to 193 for the earlier measure. Two Republicans did not cast votes on Wednesday, while 112 Republicans voted against it.

Care to correct your invalid claims?



The vote in June was not a vote on a reconciled and final bill.

The original quote is conveniently incomplete and stops before the requirements for the final vote.

Keep trying. At some point you might learn something.



 

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  posted on 10/26/2018 at 07:46 PM
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President Trump offer the Democrats a deal that included immigration reform that would have solved the problems along with a solution to help the so-called “Dreamers”.

The Democrats refused to even discuss the matter.

The Democrats do not want a solution, they want the issue.




The Republicans control both houses of Congress. The only way the deal failed is if some Republicans did not support it.




The Republicans do not "control" both houses of Congress. The Republicans have the majority in both houses of Congress because The American People threw the Democrats out of control.

To pass immigration legislation, how many votes is required in The House and The Senate?


Simple majority in each house.



Go back to school junior.
While you are there try to learn the difference between control of the House vs. a majority.






You skipped by BrerRabbit's post.


From the US House of Reps site:

https://www.house.gov/the-house-explained/the-legislative-process

If the bill passes by simple majority (218 of 435), the bill moves to the Senate. In the Senate, the bill is assigned to another committee and, if released, debated and voted on. Again, a simple majority (51 of 100) passes the bill. Finally, a conference committee made of House and Senate members works out any differences between the House and Senate versions of the bill. The resulting bill returns to the House and Senate for final approval.




The simple majority vote in The House is needed to move a bill to The Senate.
The resulting bill returns to the House and Senate for final approval requiring a 2/3 majority for final passage in The House.


[Edited on 10/26/2018 by Muleman1994]


So, you are saying the the Houss of Representatives web site is lying? Nowhere does it say that a 2/3 majority is needed. OK, so let's go back to the actual voting in June.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/394437-house-rejects-second-gop-immigrat ion-bill

Only 121 Republicans backed it, compared to 193 for the earlier measure. Two Republicans did not cast votes on Wednesday, while 112 Republicans voted against it.

Care to correct your invalid claims?



The vote in June was not a vote on a reconciled and final bill.

The original quote is conveniently incomplete and stops before the requirements for the final vote.

Keep trying. At some point you might learn something.





In order to have a reconciled bill, a bill must pass in each house and then be reconciled. Since the bill failed in the house, there can be no reconciled bill.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2018 at 11:23 PM
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The original quote is conveniently incomplete and stops before the requirements for the final vote.


Correct, for pertinence and brevity I left off the last bit of text on the House of Reps page:

"The Government Printing Office prints the revised bill in a process called enrolling. The President has 10 days to sign or veto the enrolled bill."


This bit from the link jkeller posted is a helpful clarification:

"House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.), who said he was unsurprised by the outcome, signaled the GOP is ready to move on.

You know, if there's — if there is a bill that gets 218 Republicans, obviously that's something we'd be very interested in. A lot of months have been trying to get that kind of an agreement; it hasn't happened yet, he said."

OK, why do you suppose he said '218 Republicans'? Because that is the simple majority. So, even the representatives of the majority of the simple who voted for Trump are not able to achieve a simple majority.

The Republicans have the ball, they just aren't running with it.



[Edited on 10/27/2018 by BrerRabbit]

 

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The simple majority vote in The House is needed to move a bill to The Senate.
The resulting bill returns to the House and Senate for final approval requiring a 2/3 majority for final passage in The House.


Bunk. If a bill passes both houses it is a done deal and goes to the President. It only gets voted on again if there are discrepancies between the House and Senate versions and the bill goes to conference, then the conference report goes back to the floor and is voted on, again passed by simple majority, same as the first vote - not your two-thirds majority porcine cleanser.

No point in posting a link to the White House, you can find it easily. They spell it out for you in plain English.

 

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  posted on 10/31/2018 at 09:14 AM
USA, USA,. We gonna stop this invasion of the enemy on the border. These foot soldiers of the Pelosi/Obama evil democrat party will be no match for the US forces. President Trump will lead us to a glorious victory that will be huge. Remember to pray and support the troops on our southern border. As Fox and the evangelicals would say, don’t be critical of our president during a time of war and god bless.

[Edited on 10/31/2018 by sckeys]

 

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  posted on 10/31/2018 at 09:21 AM
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USA, USA,. We gonna stop this invasion of the enemy on the border. These foot soldiers of the Pelosi/Obama evil democrat party will be no match for the US forces. President Trump will lead us to a glorious victory that will be huge. Remember to pray and support the troops on our southern border. As Fox and the evangelicals would say, don’t be critical of our president during a time of war and god bless.



And what do you suggest we do should this group reach the US border and try to gain entry without using a recognized Border Checkpoint?

 

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  posted on 10/31/2018 at 10:36 AM
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USA, USA,. We gonna stop this invasion of the enemy on the border. These foot soldiers of the Pelosi/Obama evil democrat party will be no match for the US forces. President Trump will lead us to a glorious victory that will be huge. Remember to pray and support the troops on our southern border. As Fox and the evangelicals would say, don’t be critical of our president during a time of war and god bless.



And what do you suggest we do should this group reach the US border and try to gain entry without using a recognized Border Checkpoint?


They are not going to do that. Their plan is to go to a legal entry point and seek asylum. There is nothing illegal about that. And there is nothing that warrants sending troops to the border.

 

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USA, USA,. We gonna stop this invasion of the enemy on the border. These foot soldiers of the Pelosi/Obama evil democrat party will be no match for the US forces. President Trump will lead us to a glorious victory that will be huge. Remember to pray and support the troops on our southern border. As Fox and the evangelicals would say, don’t be critical of our president during a time of war and god bless.



And what do you suggest we do should this group reach the US border and try to gain entry without using a recognized Border Checkpoint?


They are not going to do that. Their plan is to go to a legal entry point and seek asylum. There is nothing illegal about that. And there is nothing that warrants sending troops to the border.

But Trump says there are MS13's and Middle Easterners in the mix. What are we do about them? We know Trump would never speak to anything w/out proof or would never lie.

 

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USA, USA,. We gonna stop this invasion of the enemy on the border. These foot soldiers of the Pelosi/Obama evil democrat party will be no match for the US forces. President Trump will lead us to a glorious victory that will be huge. Remember to pray and support the troops on our southern border. As Fox and the evangelicals would say, don’t be critical of our president during a time of war and god bless.



And what do you suggest we do should this group reach the US border and try to gain entry without using a recognized Border Checkpoint?


They are not going to do that. Their plan is to go to a legal entry point and seek asylum. There is nothing illegal about that.


Does that act in itself guarantee entry?.....Seeking Asylum?...Why are there no American Flags in this group?

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There certainly is if they as a group are denied entry. And out of whose pocket does the $$ come to pay for their needs should they be allowed to enter the U.S.?

 

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There are many issues surrounding the caravan.

1. There are sincere poor people who just want to come to America to have a better standard of living and better quality of life.

a) How many of those can we take in?
b) In what time frame?

The time frame is necessary because the people admitted to this country have to be housed and taken care of with money, food, clothing, housing, education, medical care. That is why limits must be placed.


2. Is there one set of TIME LIMITS for a country ACTIVELY experiencing WAR and another set of time limits for a country not actively at war? Remember the Syrian refugees where many countries of the world were asked to take them in. They had a REAL reason to seek refugee/sanctuary outside their native country.

3. Should the words SANCTUARY STATUS for REFUGEES and SANCTUARY STATUS for ASYLUM seekers be re-defined and tweeked? (I think so)


4. What difference should ASYLUM SEEKERS have in obtaining permanent status to stay in America?

a) What are the legal requirments that need to be met to obtain asylum status?


5. How do we define INVASION, and what responses can be meted out for those seeking to invade a country (like ours) illegally?


6. Can we just close the borders with Mexico till we figure all this out?


7. What are the responsibilities of other countries who are assisting (aiding and abetting) this caravan? Why did Mexico not stop them when they crossed from Honduras and other nations into their country or did they do that legally and then just meet with their "fixers" who are helping them along the route to the U.S.?


These are the questions that need to be answered in the short term.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/feeding-caravan-hysteria-trump-says-border-troop s-may-reach-15000-212436254.html









[Edited on 10/31/2018 by gina]

 

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GINA'S REMARKS

LONGER TERM involves a much longer discussion because there is a very covert agenda going on, part of the destabilization of not only America, but also the world.

In order to bring in the one world government, sovereign states (nations/countries) must be taken down so that ONE ruler can be brought in to rule over them. If you want global domination then you have to take down all the sovereignty of individual countries. Afghanistan was first, Iraq was next, Libya, Egypt all had their governments removed and others put in their place. America has always been a Super Power, not an easy task to take America's sovereignty down, but that is just what the new world order, one world government, international order wants and plans to do. How? Civil war, martial law, economic collapse ushering in a new currency. It is a fact our financial budget is unsustainable.

Did you know that on 9-11-01 a BIG payment was due to China on debt that we owe them, we could not pay them, but that even was so cataclysmic and large in scope the world stood up and said oh no poor America, they are facing a terrorist threat, we will be nice and not hold them in default on the loan. We only make payment on the interest owed on the loan, not the actual loan itself, our debt is not sustainable.

The goal of the new/one/international world order is to have cities where people live and they will monitor and control all of that with the technology available. Credit cards got people used to being able to buy things without real money, just pay with plastic, worry about it later. Automatic bank payments of your bills no need for paper. Stores kept track of products with the bar codes. Every advance moving you to a cashless society. The government will give you your allotment from which you will buy and pay things, it will all be done electronically as you are doing now. They won't even have to send the repo man if you cannot pay for your car, the technology is there to just shut it off and you cannot drive it. (and to think it all started with on-star GPS technology). Did you know the 5G network now being put in your phones and telecommunications is also what is used in military weapon technology (the sound cannons for example), well it is.

The plan for the new/one/international order take over began long ago. In 1993 they wrote the idea of destabilizing the Middle East [Operation Clean Break]. Slowly that plan has been put into action with some bumps in the road and variances.

And what of America?

Do you remember the Jade Helm Exercises, done by the military to have a plan for Civil War in America and people were scratching their heads, what civil war, what would be fighting over that could cause a civil war? One former military man said it will start with benefits for food stamps and veterans being reduced. They will protest and march and call for justice. Justice will not come to them. Then other groups will join. You saw that pathetic attempt by the Occupy Wall Street people to start a revolution nobody wanted.

Well there is another angle. DESTABILIZE the borders. A prophetess named Annie told what she was given, and one of the prophecies was that ISIS troops would breach the US border coming in from Mexico. Once in America they would start blowing up elementary schools and ultimately they would kill 100,000 children and the war against the Middle East could erupt from that. We know FEMA bought all those bullets and citizens responded by spending weekends at Dicks getting supplies for their er hunting trips trying to be coy and covert about stockpiling bullets.

FEMA built camps to put people in who breached our borders from Mexico or Russia, or to be used in civil emergencies, ie. epidemics. The camps are there. There were built by Halliburton and modeled after the concentration camps from Germany. We have seen videos of the caskets where five bodies at a time can be put in, the caskets were found in Georgia. It was further uncovered and reported that guillotines were ordered from China, and now further reported blades for those guillotines were purchased from Mexico, AND cyanide has also been purchased BY FEMA.

WHAT DOES FEMA PLAN TO DO WITH CYANIDE? Use it in the camps to kill people as quickly and painlessly as possible. There is no other use for that substance.

https://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/osha-documentation-proves-fema-is-import ing-hydrogen-cyanide-theres-only-one-possible-use/

DAVE'S REMARKS

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THE THREE STEP PROCESS FOR TYRANNICAL CONTROL OF THE POPULATION OF THE UNITED STATES

When one examines the sum total of the meaning of various Executive Orders and administrative actions of FEMA and DHS, collectively, there emerges a clear picture of a three-step process to gain control of the population of the United States. The following has already been spelled out through Operation Cable Splicer, REX 84 and FM 39.4


PHASE ONE

Not everyone’s fate is determined when a communist/fascist coup takes over the government of the United States and suspends the Constitution. However, for some people, there exists the non-negotiable future of termination without due process. Decades ago, this is what Steve Quayle called the “Red List”.
Under Operation Rex 84 and Operation Cable Splicer, etc., there is a 3 step process to subjugate the American people.

Stage One of the plot is particularly heinous. FEMA likes to use the term “disrupters” who will be terminated with extreme prejudice. These people will be gathered up and taken to a remote location and executed. They most often will be taken from their homes between 3AM and 4AM, which is what the Gestapo did, so as to not arouse the attention of the community and to lessen the possibility of increasing resistance.

Along these lines, when a communist/fascist coup overtakes the government, Operation Cable Splicer/Garden Plot/Rex 84, will be in effect and FEMA and DHS will be in control (DHS was actually created and molded after the East German Stasi). The extreme actions of unwarranted arrests and mass executions are designed to remove the majority of the leadership or any resistance to the coup.

I have recounted before on the website of The Common Sense Show, the story of my long-term friend, a FEMA counter-bioterrorism expert, who said if the the powers that be cannot quell the rising tide of populism (please note this was said in the Pre-Trump days of 2012), that millions would be gassed. My FEMA friend bugged out to a secure location with like-minded people from FEMA because they saw the writing on the wall. Further, this paralleled the story of Rosebud, brought forth by the Hagmann’s, basically recounted the same intentions to “gas” the people in times of resistance to the new authority.

How will FEMA deal with these resisters? It just so happens that it is being reported in multiple publications that FEMA just purchased 2,500 gallons of hydrogen cyanide from a Brazilian chemical manufacturer, Askell Quimica. In light of Operation Cablesplicer et al, which is still on the books, the purchase of hydrogen cyanide can only mean one thing. The following Executive Order demonstrates that the globalists have been planning these actions against the American for a very long time.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
DHS has been preparing for the resistance to the coming new authority for a long time.

Under Operation Cable Splicer and Rex 84, all levels of government will be collapsed into one central authority and that centralized authority will be handed off to the global authority, presumably the United Nations or their proxy.


PHASE TWO

After the leadership of any potential resistance to the new authority is complete, Stage Two will be implemented. Stage Two will consist of the arrest of those not deemed to be in compliance with the new authority, as evidenced by belief systems or by overt actions. If you have wondered why the NSA finds is necessary to monitor every communication that you have, I just told you.

There will be a two-tiered approach to the citizen roundups that will occur. First, as an aside, there has been much discussion about the need to promulgate a false flag attack(s). If one can get the population to view the new authority as a rescuer from certain death, then the resistance to the take over will be considerably lessened. However, there will be those that resist and they will be seized and sent to re-education camps. The public justification for the arrest will fall into two categories (1) criminal charges related to treason and sedition; and, (2) mental health conditions requiring long-term “inpatient” therapy.

Back in 2008-9, I often reported on the importance of the DHS-created MIAC report. The MIAC report gives rise to the groups that are going to be sought out for “re-education”. Those groups included, but are not limited to Christians, Ron Paul supporters (today that could be translated to Donald Trump supporters), supporters of the Constitution, Second Amendment supporters will be targeted in particular.

This grainy video was leaded from a 2001 FEMA training session. The video clearly condemns the Founding Fathers as domestic terrorists.

This second group will be terminated if it is deemed that they cannot be re-educated. I have previously asked many of my sources how will they execute the millions that cannot be re-educated? I was told that that guillotines are the most efficient, but if they cannot keep up with demand, hydrogen cyanide will do quite nicely

There are a couple of ancillary facts that I have previously reported on that bears discussion at this point. The first account comes from the late FBI special informant, Larry Grathwohl, who penetrated the Weatherman Underground of Bill Ayers. The Weathermen Underground Leader, Bill Ayers, told former FBI Agent and informant, and my late friend, Larry Grathwohl, that he believed that when the Communist takeover happened, he would have to incarcerate 50 million Americans into re-education camps and exterminate 25 million of them. Larry was an FBI special informant who had penetrated the Underground and became a member in order to take down the organization by getting Bill Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dorne arrested.

This is the part that I would play the video of Larry recounting what Ayers told him about future FEMA camps, but Youtube recently took down the video because it “violates Youtube’s policy on hate speech”.

When one considers this Executive Order, one will understand why I have written about shopping malls, that can be easily converted to FEMA detention facilities, the Walmart conversions to FEMA Camps and the 2012 agreement between every professional sports league which allows DHS to use their facilities to be used as FEMA camps in times of “emergency”. The shopping malls conversions were part of an agreement entered into by Simon Properties, the largest owner of malls in North America.

This purchase(hydrogen cyanide) marks the third time in twelve months FEMA will have used foreign distributors to procure lethal items that could be used to maim or kill law-abiding Americans. In January, FEMA received a shipment of five hundred Chinese-made “smart guillotines,” and in March, they secretly ordered thousands of guillotine blades from a Mexican metal factory in Juarez.


Stage Three
Stage Three is ironic. It consists of the arrest of all collaborators and infiltrators who along with “economic disrupters” who will have their money confiscated, for it is estimated that half of the wealth in the USA is in their hands. In effect, this is where the transfer of wealth will take place. Along these lines, Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot, which are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose, will kick in and the monied class will arrested and many will be terminated. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation. This should give serious pause for Wall Street to keep supporting the Deep State as they are targeted for brown shirt treatment.

Conclusion by Dave:

We used to talk about FEMA camps as something that could be coming our way. FEMA camps are no on our doorstep and the only thing standing between FEMA camps and us, is Donald Trump.
Please mark this down, many of the people, on the inside, that I speak with who are convinced that REX 84 will be immediately implemented if Trump is ever taken from office. The Deep State will do anything and everything to stop the spirit of populism. If you think that America will repeat the heinous crimes of Nazi Germany, they will, if the Deep State is allowed to prevail.

FEMA is a rogue organization and the fact that they have ordered hydrogen cyanide should be a major concern to all. Oh, you don’t think that they would do this? then ask yourself why would anyone call the Founding Fathers terrorists? Why would DHS have already 600 billion rounds of hollow point ammunition to go with their 2500 assault vehicles? Are they being sent to Afghanistan or are they going to be turned loose on the American people?


REMARKS BY ME:

REMARKS: We are in a war. A spiritual war. If the wrong side wins, it means world enslavement. Pastor Paul Begley said "It's time for us to get off our behinds and get on the front lines". There are people who are coordinating this immigrant caravan, so that martial law will have to be implemented. If they create a national emergency, then when civil war emerges in America, martial law will be necessary and the deep state plan proceeds. Yes people will resist. Fema bought all those bullets to try to stop resisters. They put up those red light cameras with their feeds that can be monitored by the FBI (Comey even admitted that the red light cameras and city camera footages have feeds they can tap into to monitor the goings on in cities, he said this after the San Bernadino shootings remember that?) . Those cameras are all over here, even where there are no red lights like on parkways. If they get people in the FEMA camps, they will be as they were in the Nazi days, they will be death camps.

So caravans of uncontrollable migrants leads to national emergency - disruption of America - institution of martial law and the decline of the sovereignty of America and it's citizens and the war will be on. The war for the one world/new world/international order to try to rule the planet. Their goal is to get people into cities they will run, control them and enslave them. The rest of the people will be off to the FEMA camps to die. That is why this caravan matters.

Is Trump ordering the cyanide for FEMA? Nope, that rogue element within the govt. that does whatever it wants to is doing that. DRAIN THAT SWAMP!





[Edited on 10/31/2018 by gina]

 

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  posted on 10/31/2018 at 07:29 PM
Stefan Molyneaux's take on the caravan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-AoXo9uKMk

Nobody even thought about the distance and that these people have to walk 2,300 miles. People in flip flops with no luggage are going to be able to do this in a couple of weeks!

 

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It's very simple. Escort them across the border to camps. In the camps they are interviewed as to what status do they seek.
Do they seek long term asylum of more than 5 years.
Do they seek short term asylum of 2 or less years.
Do they seek to be recognized as a refugee from a conflict.
Do they wish to apply for an immigration visa?
Do they wish to become citizens?

When they declare their intentions, we offer to allow them to remain in the camps until their status is settled, a DNA sample is gathered, and a non-removable GPS bracelet is issued.

After the DNA check shows the subject has no issues through law enforcement, it is then used to determine if the subject really belongs with the family he claimed upon arrival.

No one is released except whole families who have a certified sponsor who is responsible for their behavior(physical and monetary) while waiting for their court appearance.

Families with small children should get first court appearance (out of this group) with husband/wife couples next. Then brother/sister, brother/brother, each type of family grouping, would come next as the courts clear.

If there are any unaccompanied children in the caravan, they are placed in foster homes after any medical problems are taken care of.

Speaking of which, upon arrival at the camps a military induction style medical exam should be given each person. Eye, ear, nose, and throat, bend over and smile, turn head and cough, urine-blood-stool samples, teeth, joints and bones, heart health, should all be done. Any one with a communicable disease is isolated
and treated.

Anyone who has had problems with law enforcement, been previously deported, gives false information on the asylum papers, will face immediate deportation. They will need to be loaded onto a military C-130, handcuffed with chains locked into the air frame, flown to an airport of their home country, and turned over to the local authorities.

Anybody have something they want to add or discuss about on this post feel free to let me know.

 

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Anybody have something they want to add or discuss about on this post feel free to let me know.


Sounds like you are bit unsettled by this news, would that be accurate?

 

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Anybody have something they want to add or discuss about on this post feel free to let me know.


Sounds like you are bit unsettled by this news, would that be accurate?


What is in my post that would make you think that?

 

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If you answer my question, I’ll continue the conversation.
 

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If you answer my question, I’ll continue the conversation.


So you're going to set parameters for the ongoing "conversation", answer mine first and then I'll answer yours, by the same question.

I'll do it in caps with spacing so you can understand. Here's your answer.

"WHAT IS IN MY POST THAT WOULD MAKE YOU THINK THAT?"

Do you see anything in my post that makes me seem unsettled about the caravans?
Are you just trolling to see what reaction you can get?
Do you know anything about US history?

 

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Forget it. I got my answer.
 
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