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Author: Subject: Why is the Immigration Problem so Difficult

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 12:34 PM

"The architects of the family separation approach have been hard at work on alternatives, according to people briefed on the group’s efforts. Their goal is to announce a plan before the November elections that can withstand the legal challenges that crippled the administration’s previous attempts.

The group’s charge from the White House is simple and explicit: Replace what the administration describes as “catch and release,” the practice of releasing immigrants from detention while they wait for court hearings.

The most talked-about alternative would be a variation of the family separation policy. Parents would be forced to choose between voluntarily relinquishing their children to foster care or remaining imprisoned together as a family. The latter option would require parents to waive their child’s right to be released from detention within 20 days.

The goal of this option, known as “binary choice,” would be to “maximize deterrence and consequences for families,” according to a person familiar with the agenda for one of the officials’ meetings.

Another idea on the table is to speed up the legal cases of migrant families and process them on a first-in, first-out basis, in hopes that word would get back to Central America that border crossers were being swiftly deported.

The working group is also considering strengthening the standard of proof on asylum cases, a standard that has already risen under President Trump, in order to screen out more families during the first stage of the process, known as the “credible fear” interview. The final two ideas being discussed are extending the use of GPS ankle monitors, and immediately arresting anyone who receives a deportation order to ensure that they leave the country."

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Remarks: Other countries weaponize their borders, if you come over illegally, you get shot.

Too harsh? Put them on busses and send them back to Mexico. Let Mexico deal with it.

We do not have to waste time on courts, and Constitutional rights because they are not citizens, they really do not have any rights coming in illegally. Separating families is cruel and inhumane, send them home as a family. The most we should do is provide them with a couple of meals, and if they do not have appropriate clothing, like a coat and the weather is cold, maybe a coat and blanket.

Why is the issue so difficult? They come illegally, they are sent back from where they came from. No torture, no prison, just send them back.



 

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 04:45 PM
I will say that i have a problem with this latest caravan of immigrants. I don't know why, maybe because of the size of it?
I also don't agree with cutting off aid to the countries they are coming from.
I'm a little confused by the situation.
I understand people all over the world face horrific conditions.
I understand if they reach our border they should be treated fairly.
I don't understand how our neighbors to the south can allow this group of refugees to pass through their country to ours.

I hate to say it but maybe Mexico should take them.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 04:57 PM
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I hate to say it but maybe Mexico should take them.


Whimsical to say the least

 

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 05:25 PM
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I hate to say it but maybe Mexico should take them.


Whimsical to say the least
Why should mexico take them?, they are mostly from central america?. trump hasn't secured the border like he said he would, has he?.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 05:43 PM
I suppose a caravan like this reeks of a feeling of "i deserve to come to the USA", not move to brazil or argentina or peru.

Like i need my life to be not 100% better but 1000%

Sorry, but just the way it seems.

Shoot for the Stars I guess

[Edited on 10/22/2018 by LeglizHemp]

 

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 05:59 PM
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I hate to say it but maybe Mexico should take them.


Whimsical to say the least
Why should mexico take them?, they are mostly from central america?. trump hasn't secured the border like he said he would, has he?.


Why shouldn't Mexico step up and help people in need?

Why should this burden fall to the taxpayers of this Republic?

Why are not the nations these people are fleeing be held responsible?



 

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 06:07 PM
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I hate to say it but maybe Mexico should take them.


Whimsical to say the least
Why should mexico take them?, they are mostly from central america?. trump hasn't secured the border like he said he would, has he?.


When Trump follows through with his campaign promise for Mexico to pay for the wall, and when pigs like Trump fly is when Trump will secure the border.




 

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 06:16 PM
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I hate to say it but maybe Mexico should take them.


Whimsical to say the least
Why should mexico take them?, they are mostly from central america?. trump hasn't secured the border like he said he would, has he?.


When Trump follows through with his campaign promise for Mexico to pay for the wall, and when pigs like Trump fly is when Trump will secure the border.


So, with this "caravan" on the way, the Wall would be a Good idea?

What do you propose our response at the border should be if they arrive and demonstrate, demanding entry?

 

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 06:21 PM
I'm not sure. I do not want a wall. I do not want families to be separated.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 06:22 PM
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I'm not sure. I do not want a wall. I do not want families to be separated.


When do you say "enough is enough"?

 

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 06:33 PM
Hmmmm, not yet? I mean it's troubling?
But, i do not want a wall and i do not want families sepparated.
I do want DACA.
I do want a path to citizenship (for those who have bčen here)
Yet i am leary of groups in a caravan, with sole purpose, after all the border troubles, with main purpose of breaking US immigration law.

I guess?

 

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 06:36 PM
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Hmmmm, not yet? I mean it's troubling?
But, i do not want a wall and i do not want families sepparated.
I do want DACA.
I do want a path to citizenship (for those who have bčen here)
Yet i am leary of groups in a caravan, with sole purpose, after all the border troubles, with main purpose of breaking US immigration law.

I guess?


So, if this materializes, do we let them in?

What if Trump calls on the National Guard to protect the Border?

Are we gonna hear people scream about cruelty?

 

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 06:45 PM
Yes

 

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 07:22 PM
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Haha, fair enough. No easy decisions here.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 07:22 PM
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I hate to say it but maybe Mexico should take them.


Whimsical to say the least
Why should mexico take them?, they are mostly from central america?. trump hasn't secured the border like he said he would, has he?.


When Trump follows through with his campaign promise for Mexico to pay for the wall, and when pigs like Trump fly is when Trump will secure the border.


So, with this "caravan" on the way, the Wall would be a Good idea?

What do you propose our response at the border should be if they arrive and demonstrate, demanding entry?


Enforcement of laws on the books is a good start. Immigration reform is a next step.

How do you propose paying for the wall? Should your tax dollars pay for it? Are you good with that? Do you hold Trump accountable to his campaign promises or just give him a pass?

We are a county that is a melting pot. This is what made our country what it is. Even Trump's wives (plural) came from foreign countries.

"President Trump has long railed against “chain migration” and continues to threaten to end family-preference immigration visas, despite the fact that his in-laws Viktor and Amalija Knavs were granted U.S. citizenship through the first lady’s sponsorship." Would that make Trump a hypocrite? What's good for Trump's wife should not be good for others?

[Edited on 10/23/2018 by MartinD28]

 

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I hate to say it but maybe Mexico should take them.


Whimsical to say the least
Why should mexico take them?, they are mostly from central america?. trump hasn't secured the border like he said he would, has he?.


When Trump follows through with his campaign promise for Mexico to pay for the wall, and when pigs like Trump fly is when Trump will secure the border.


So, with this "caravan" on the way, the Wall would be a Good idea?

What do you propose our response at the border should be if they arrive and demonstrate, demanding entry?
Do you think a wall would stop 7000 people?.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 07:26 PM
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Should your tax dollars pay for it?


I would prefer that over seeing my tax $$ better the lives of those who choose to bypass the law and enter Illegally.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 07:27 PM
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Do you think a wall would stop 7000 people?.


The attitude of the left hasn't worked/is not working.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 07:29 PM
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Should your tax dollars pay for it?


I would prefer that over seeing my tax $$ better the lives of those who choose to bypass the law and enter Illegally.


So it's a binary choice? How about answering as an absolute.

You don't hold Trump accountable for his campaign promises for Mexico to pay for the wall? That way he doesn't screw over the taxpayers of this country.


 

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Do you think a wall would stop 7000 people?.


The attitude of the left hasn't worked/is not working.
WTF are you talking about? trump and the repubicants are in charge now!, what are they doing???.

 

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Maybe we should discuss this as centrists, as most americans are.

 

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Do you think a wall would stop 7000 people?.


The attitude of the left hasn't worked/is not working.
WTF are you talking about?


Different ideals and goals. Does not the left disagree wholeheartedly with the idea of a wall?

Do you think the border should be open?...Or should we hire 3X as many border agents?...other thoughts?

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trump and the repubicants are in charge now!, what are they doing???.


Do you think they meeting with any resistance from The Democrats?

 

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 09:21 PM
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Why should this burden fall to the taxpayers of this Republic?


And there it is, “a burden on me”.

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I would prefer that over seeing my tax $$ better the lives of those who choose to bypass the law and enter Illegally.


So it’s your high regard for the law that irks you about them, huh? Yeah sure!



 

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Do you think a wall would stop 7000 people?.


The attitude of the left hasn't worked/is not working.
WTF are you talking about?


Different ideals and goals. Does not the left disagree wholeheartedly with the idea of a wall?

Do you think the border should be open?...Or should we hire 3X as many border agents?...other thoughts?

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trump and the repubicants are in charge now!, what are they doing???.


Do you think they meeting with any resistance from The Democrats?


They control both houses of Congress and are in the Oval Office. How can the Democrats stop them from anything?

 

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 09:40 PM
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I would prefer that over seeing my tax $$ better the lives of those who choose to bypass the law and enter Illegally.


So it’s your high regard for the law that irks you about them, huh? Yeah sure!


I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess this is your way of alluding to racism.

Tell me what people of any skin color/race who choose to come here Illegally know about Liberty and what we have gone through here as a society to embrace it?

 

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