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  posted on 12/10/2019 at 12:24 PM
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2 Articles of impeachment introduced today...We're making America great again. There will be an asterisk next to that man's name forever.


That man thinks the asterisk means he's extra special.

The articles are narrowly drawn w/ample evidence that make them indefensible. Of course, the GOP Senators will do the equivalent of jury nullification & ignore the facts. Kind of like the OJ Simpson trial.

 

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  posted on 12/10/2019 at 12:26 PM
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How anyone can take this idea seriously is beyond belief.


Tulsi Gabbard takes it seriously. She is also a strict environmentalst.

Thanks for the heads up on Gabbard - when you postd that you liked her I went to her website, looks great. If she ends up running I will vote for Gabbard.



Unelectable as a Democrat (which she is not, no matter what she says), will have to make inroads as an independent.

 

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  posted on 12/10/2019 at 12:31 PM
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How anyone can take this idea seriously is beyond belief.


Tulsi Gabbard takes it seriously. She is also a strict environmentalst.

Thanks for the heads up on Gabbard - when you postd that you liked her I went to her website, looks great. If she ends up running I will vote for Gabbard.


My pleasure. She hits me as being articulate and savvy, but has lost me with this....

 

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  posted on 12/10/2019 at 12:32 PM
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please elaborate on how well the current Welfare state is working in that the "need" to throw more money into this well is going to make things better.

Let's TAX at higher rate so that a few more can "benefit"....


People would have to qualify for Yang’s program, by losing a job through automation - the idea being that this type of job loss is tougher to overcome since their trade doesn’t exist anymore. For those still working in labor jobs, seems beneficial to invest in such protection. Also, for working class folks who are W2 employees, there wouldn’t be any additional taxes being taken out. Your paycheck would be the same.


Where does the $$ to pay these people come from?

 

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  posted on 12/10/2019 at 12:45 PM
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My pleasure. She hits me as being articulate and savvy, but has lost me with this....


So guess you are back to frustration with all possible options in 2020. Libertarians look piss poor now that GJ is gone.

Or just vote for Trump, out of spite.

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Where does the $$ to pay these people come from?


Same as unemployment.


 

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Where does the $$ to pay these people come from?


Same as unemployment.


Just say it..."TAX Dollars"?

 

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Just say it..."TAX Dollars"?


Just like your border wall that you support. If you are opposed to new programs because it will require tax dollars, then how will we ever implement new programs?

 

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Yang


As soon as I get my first $1,000...I'm buying guns!


I'm getting that Costco freeze dried food good for 25 years and hiding it someplace for when the country is in shambles, civil war erupts and we all have to get off the grid.

 

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  posted on 12/10/2019 at 01:57 PM
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It's December 9, has the fun begun yet?


Very soon.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-ignored-and-injured-the-natio nal-interest-democrats-charge-in-impeachment-articles/ar-BBY1N3F

WASHINGTON — House Democratic leaders on Tuesday formally called for President Trump’s removal from office, asserting that he “ignored and injured the interests of the Nation” in two articles of impeachment that charged him with abusing his power and obstructing Congress.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/10/us/politics/articles-impeach ment-document-pdf.html

Donald J. Trump has abused the powers of the Presidency, in that:

Using the powers of his high office, President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election. He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States Presidential election to his advantage. President Trump also sought to pressure the Government of Ukraine to take these steps by condi-tioning official United States Government acts of significant value to Ukraine on its public announcement of the investigations. President Trump engaged in this scheme or course of conduct for corrupt purposes in pursuit of personal political benefit. In so doing, President Trump used the powers of the Presidency in a manner that compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process. He thus ignored and injured the interests of the Nation.

President Trump engaged in this scheme or course of conduct through the following means:

(1) President Trump — acting both directly and through his agents within and outside the United States Government — corruptly solicited the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations into —

(A) a political opponent, former Vice President Joseph R. Biden, Jr.; and

(B) a discredited theory promoted by Russia alleging that Ukraine — rather than Russia — interfered in the 2016 United States Presidential election.

(2) With the same corrupt motives, President Trump — acting both directly and through his agentswithin and outside the United States Government — conditioned two official acts on the public announcements that he had requested —

(A) the release of $391 million of United States taxpayer funds that Congress had appropriated on a bipartisan basis for the purpose of providing vital military and security assistance to Ukraine to oppose Russian aggression and which President Trump had ordered suspended; and

(B) a head of state meeting at the White House, which the President of Ukraine sought to demonstrate continued United States support for the Government of Ukraine in the face of Russian aggression.

(3) Faced with the public revelation of his actions, President Trump ultimately released the military and security assistance to the Government of Ukraine, but has persisted in openly and corruptly urging and soliciting Ukraine to undertake investigations for his personal political benefit.

These actions were consistent with President Trump’s previous invitations of foreign interference in United States elections.

In all of this, President Trump abused the powers of the Presidency by ignoring and injuring national security and other vital national interests to obtain an improper personal political benefit. He has also betrayed the Nation by abusing his high office to enlist a foreign power in corrupting democratic elections.

Wherefore President Trump, by such conduct, has demonstrated that he will remain a threat to national security and the Constitution if allowed to remain in office, and has acted in a manner grossly incompatible with self-governance and the rule of law. President Trump thus warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.

ARTICLE II: OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESS

The Constitution provides that the House of Representatives “shall have the sole Power of Impeachment” and that the President “shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors”. In his conduct of the office of President of the United States — and in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed —

Donald J. Trump has directed the unprecedented, categorical, and indiscriminate defiance of subpoenas issued by the House of Representatives pursuant to its “sole Power of Impeachment”. President Trump has abused the powers of the Presidency in a manner offensive to, and subversive of, the Constitution, in that:

The House of Representatives has engaged in an impeachment inquiry focused on President Trump’s corrupt solicitation of the Government of Ukraine to interfere in the 2020 United States Presidential election. As part of this impeachment inquiry, the Committees undertaking the investigation served subpoenas seeking documents and testimony deemed vital to the inquiry from various Executive Branch agencies and offices, and current and former officials.

In response, without lawful cause or excuse, President Trump directed Executive Branch agencies, offices, and officials not to comply with those subpoenas. President Trump thus interposed the powers of the Presidency against the lawful subpoenas of the House of Representatives, and assumed to himself functions and judgments necessary to the exercise of the “sole Power of Impeachment” vested by the Constitution in the House of Representatives.

President Trump abused the powers of his high office through the following means:

(1) Directing the White House to defy a lawful subpoena by withholding the production of documents sought therein by the Committees.

(2) Directing other Executive Branch agencies and offices to defy lawful subpoenas and withhold the production of documents and records from the Committees — in response to which the Department of State, Office of Management and Budget, Department of Energy, and Department of Defense refused to produce a single document or record.

(3) Directing current and former Executive Branch officials not to cooperate with the Committees — in response to which nine Administration officials defied subpoenas for testimony, namely John Michael “Mick” Mulvaney, Robert B. Blair, John A. Eisenberg, Michael Ellis, Preston Wells Griffith, Russell T. Vought, Michael Duffey, Brian McCormack, and T. Ulrich Brechbuhl.

These actions were consistent with President Trump’s previous efforts to undermine United States Government investigations into foreign interference in United States elections.

Through these actions, President Trump sought to arrogate to himself the right to determine the propriety, scope, and nature of an impeachment inquiry into his own conduct, as well as the unilateral prerogative to deny any and all information to the House of Representatives in the exercise of its “sole Power of Impeachment”. In the history of the Republic, no President has ever ordered the complete defiance of an impeachment inquiry or sought to obstruct and impede so comprehensively the ability of the House of Representatives to investigate “high Crimes and Misdemeanors”. This abuse of office served to cover up the President’s own repeated misconduct and to seize and control the power of impeachment — and thus to nullify a vital constitutional safeguard vested solely in the House of Representatives.

In all of this, President Trump has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice, and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, President Trump, by such conduct, has demonstrated that he will remain a threat to the Constitution if allowed to remain in office, and has acted in a manner grossly incompatible with self-governance and the rule of law. President Trump thus warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.


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You will notice in the side bar notes the impeachment committees sought advice from Mr. Mueller.

"The Democrats decided against charging Mr. Trump with obstruction of justice stemming from the Russia investigation, keeping the articles tied strictly to the Ukraine matter to avoid complicating the debate. Although the special counsel Robert S. Mueller III outlined 10 actions that he considered possible acts of obstruction, he did not say one way or the other whether he would have filed charges if Mr. Trump were not the president, leaving it to lawmakers to decide."

Mueller outllines 10 actions he "considered possible acts of obstruction".

And Bolton added his opinions also.
"The article, interestingly, does not name John R. Bolton, the president’s former national security adviser who, according to testimony of other witnesses, objected to the pressure campaign on Ukraine. Mr. Bolton has defied a request to give his own testimony, citing the White House position and pending the results of an unresolved court case for another witness."

"The Democrats are adopting an argument advanced in both the Nixon and Clinton cases, that defying a congressional impeachment inquiry is itself an impeachable offense. Republicans argue that Mr. Trump is entitled to assert privileges to preserve the confidentiality of presidential decision-making and it would be up to the courts to judge whether they are valid — but the Democrats do not want to wait for a long drawn-out legal fight."

Nixon ordered Watergate didn't he? And Bill, well he was seduced by a determined, smitten intern. Trump did NONE of those things.


This is the most horrible thing they are doing.



[Edited on 12/10/2019 by gina]

 

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The Mueller Obstruction of Justice points

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/us/politics/trump-obstruction-of-justice .html

April 18, 2019
By Michael S. Schmidt and Maggie Haberman

Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, examined an array of actions President Trump took in office that could have constituted obstruction of justice. Ultimately, Mr. Mueller declined to make a decision about whether Mr. Trump broke the law and Attorney General William P. Barr stepped in to clear the president of wrongdoing. Regardless of whether Mr. Trump should have been prosecuted, the episodes show a president seeking to use his power to insulate himself from a sprawling investigation that examined ties between his campaign and Russia. Yet his aides often refused to heed his commands, protecting Mr. Trump from causing significant damage to the investigation.

2016 CAMPAIGN

Misleading statements about his ties to Russia
Mr. Mueller examined episodes dating back to Mr. Trump’s candidacy and showed how he misled the public on the campaign trail. During the election, Mr. Trump cast doubt about whether Russia was behind the release of emails hacked from Democrats. But according to the report, his campaign was seeking more information about how the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks planned to release more batches of emails.

At the time, Mr. Trump insisted he had no ties to Russia. But the report said that was false because “as late as June 2016 the Trump Organization had been pursing a licensing deal for a skyscraper to be built in Russia called Trump Tower Moscow.”

FEB. 14, 2017

Asking Comey to end an investigation
Less than a month after taking office, Mr. Trump cornered the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, in a one-on-one encounter in the Oval Office. He asked Mr. Comey to end an investigation into his first national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn. Mr. Trump called Mr. Flynn a good guy who had been through a lot, according to a memo Mr. Comey wrote at the time documenting the encounter. Mr. Comey demurred, and Mr. Flynn later pleaded guilty to lying to investigators and agreed to cooperate with Mr. Mueller.

MARCH 2017

Attempts to stop Sessions from recusing himself from the Russia investigation
The report shows Mr. Trump’s obsession with having someone loyal to him overseeing the Russia investigation. After Mr. Trump learned that Attorney General Jeff Sessions was considering recusing himself from the investigation because of his role in Mr. Trump’s campaign, the president sought to prevent it from happening.

“The president told White House counsel Donald McGahn to stop Sessions from recusing,” the report said. “And after Sessions announced his recusal on March 2, the president expressed anger at the decision and told advisers that he should have an attorney general who would protect him.”

MARCH 2017

Trying to get Sessions to resume control of the inquiry
Despite Mr. Sessions’s recusal, Mr. Trump continued to lean on him. The weekend after Mr. Sessions recused himself, Mr. Trump cornered him in a meeting at Mar-a-Lago, the president’s club in Palm Beach, Fla., asking him to “unrecuse” himself from the investigation.

In the weeks and months that followed, Mr. Trump sought to pressure Mr. Sessions to reassert control over the investigation. Despite the pressure, Mr. Sessions never went along with Mr. Trump’s wishes. Mr. Sessions fell out of favor with the president, who then began an effort to get Mr. Sessions to resign.

MARCH 2017

Reacting to the disclosure that his campaign was under investigation
The report shows how Mr. Trump tried to use all the instruments at his disposal to protect himself. After Mr. Comey testified before Congress in March 2017 that the F.B.I. was investigating links between Mr. Trump’s campaign and Russia, the president pushed his top intelligence officials — including the C.I.A. director, Mike Pompeo — to put out the word to knock down the notion that his campaign coordinated with the Russians.

Around that time, Mr. Trump also reached out to Mr. Comey, despite guidance from Mr. McGahn that the president should avoid talking directly to Justice Department officials. “The president asked Comey to ‘lift the cloud’ of the Russia investigation” by saying publicly that he was not under investigation, the report said. Mr. Comey refused.


MAY 9, 2017

Firing Comey
Mr. Trump struggled to get Mr. Comey to say publicly that he was not under investigation. Those frustrations finally came to a head in May 2017 when the president decided Mr. Comey needed to be fired.

The president first said he fired Mr. Comey because of how he handled the investigation into Ms. Clinton’s emails, but he soon strayed from that explanation. Within days, Mr. Trump appeared to say in an NBC News interview that Russia was on his mind when he dismissed Mr. Comey; at another point, he told senior Russian officials in the Oval Office that, by firing Mr. Comey, he had relieved great pressure on himself.

The report said that even though the White House relied on so-called independent recommendations for the dismissal from Mr. Sessions and deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, Mr. Trump had decided to fire Mr. Comey regardless of what they said. “The day after firing Comey, the president told Russian officials that he had ‘faced great pressure because of Russia,’ which had been ‘taken off’ by Comey’s firing,” the report said.

JUNE 17, 2017

Reacting to the Mueller appointment and trying to fire him
After learning in May 2017 that Mr. Mueller had been appointed, Mr. Trump told advisers that it was “the end of my presidency” and demanded Mr. Sessions resign. Mr. Sessions submitted a resignation letter to Mr. Trump, who began carrying it around and asked advisers what he should do with it.

In the weeks after Mr. Mueller began his work, Mr. Trump tried to force Mr. McGahn to have the Justice Department fire Mr. Mueller, citing what the president perceived as conflicts of interest. Mr. McGahn thought the president’s assertions carried little weight and refused to follow his instructions, he has told investigators.

On Saturday, June 17, 2017, Mr. McGahn said, the president called him at home and insisted he have Mr. Mueller fired. Fed up with the repeated directive, Mr. McGahn drove to the White House, packed up his office and told senior White House officials that he planned to quit. They advised Mr. McGahn to ignore Mr. Trump, and the lawyer remained in his post another year.

Mr. McGahn told investigators he would rather resign than “trigger what he regarded as a potential Saturday Night Massacre.”


JULY 8, 2017

Misleading statement about meeting with Russians
Flying aboard Air Force One with aides as he returned to Washington from a Group of 20 summit meeting in Europe, Mr. Trump thrust himself into the crafting of a response to a New York Times article about a campaign meeting arranged by his son Donald Trump Jr. with a Russian lawyer promising damaging information on Hillary Clinton.

Over his son’s wishes, Mr. Trump wanted the statement to give as little information as possible; his lawyers told Mr. Mueller’s team that the president “personally dictated” the response. The initial statement said only that the meeting had been “primarily” about adoptions, without acknowledging the part about Mrs. Clinton.


JULY 2017

Trying to oust Sessions
Mr. Trump made two attempts to have Corey Lewandowski, his former campaign manager, influence the behavior of Mr. Sessions, according to the report. In a meeting at the White House on June 19, 2017, the president “dictated a message” for Mr. Lewandowski to deliver to Mr. Sessions, the report said.

“The message said that Sessions should publicly announce that, notwithstanding his recusal from the Russia investigation, the investigation was ‘very unfair’ to the president, the president had done nothing wrong,” the report said, adding that Mr. Sessions was to announce he would let the special counsel investigation on election interference continue.

A month later, in another meeting on July 19, 2017, Mr. Trump asked Mr. Lewandowski about the status of the message, and Mr. Lewandowski said it would be delivered soon. Hours later, Mr. Trump criticized Mr. Sessions in an interview with The Times. Mr. Lewandowski was “uncomfortable” delivering the message, the report said, and he asked a White House official, Rick Dearborn, who had worked previously with Mr. Sessions, to do it. Mr. Dearborn chose not to.


JAN. 26, 2018

Talking to witnesses about testimony
Mr. Trump asked aides to disavow a Times article reporting that investigators had learned of the president’s attempt to fire the special counsel and threatened to fire Mr. McGahn if he refused to rebut the news publicly. The president insisted he had never given the firing directive, and when Mr. McGahn disagreed, Mr. Trump said he did not remember it that way.


APRIL 2018

Interacting with his personal lawyer
The special counsel included Mr. Trump’s various interactions with his former personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, as part of his obstruction review. That included praise for Mr. Cohen early on, as well as Mr. Cohen’s false testimony to Congress about the length of time that a possible Trump Tower project in Moscow was being worked on during the 2016 campaign.

Mr. Cohen, according to the special counsel, said he was told by a personal lawyer for the president to “stay on message.” The president’s aides had said the project discussions ended before the Iowa caucuses in January 2016. They also noted that Mr. Trump publicly called Mr. Cohen a “rat” after he cooperated with prosecutors.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/us/politics/the-mueller-report-excerpts. html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/18/us/politics/mueller-report-d ocument.html?action=click&module=Mueller%20Recirc&pgtype=Article

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/21/us/mueller-trump-charges.htm l?action=click&module=Mueller%20Recirc&pgtype=Article


REMARKS: The Justice Department clearly aligned themselves with the impeachment flock. Firing them made no difference, the continued on and they clearly want him removed from office.

 

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What happens next:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-2-articles-of-impeachment-again st-president-trump-explained-%E2%80%94-and-what-happens-next/ar-BBY1SBZ


WASHINGTON — The House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday unveiled two articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump.

The articles — abuse of power and obstruction of Congress — are charges of wrongdoing that lay out specific assertions of how the president violated the U.S. Constitution and the oath of his office.

Each of the articles will be voted on separately by the Judiciary Committee later this week, possibly Thursday. Those the panel approves will go to the full House for a vote, probably with a simple majority in the Democratic-controlled body on each article.

Those that pass will be sent on to the Senate, which must hold a trial. If two-thirds of the Senate, or 67 senators, vote to convict, Trump would be removed from office and Vice President Mike Pence would become commander in chief.

The articles are drawn from the work of the House Intelligence Committee, which released a 300-page report on the investigation last week.


The 300 page report

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20191203_-_full_report___hpsci _impeachment_inquiry_-_20191203.pdf


REMARKS: He cannot ignore this anymore.

[Edited on 12/10/2019 by gina]

 

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If you are opposed to new programs because it will require tax dollars, then how will we ever implement new programs?


I am opposed to any "New programs" that implement the doling out of money when those same funds can directed towards putting people to work.

 

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  posted on 12/10/2019 at 02:44 PM
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This is the most horrible thing they are doing.


Oh FFS, The Articles of Impeachment stand alone w/o annotations. There are only 2 narrowly drawn offenses based on investigative testimony under oath.

This is the appropriate next step in the constitutional process: the HR drafts Articles of Impeachment.

The next step is a trial in the Senate overseen by the CJ of SCOTUS.

None of this is new, shocking, or even interesting except there were only 2 counts instead of a possible 9. This thread started in January, 2017. We've had 2 years, 11 months to understand how impeachment works. It's not hard. It's just like an episode of Law & Order. The DA gets an indictment, the defendant is tried, the jury votes. Can we move along now?




 

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Can we move along now?


You ever tried to move a box of rocks?

 

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I am opposed to any "New programs" that implement the doling out of money when those same funds can directed towards putting people to work.


How so? If it puts working class folks who lost their jobs from automation back to work, let’s hear it.

 

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Can we move along now?


You ever tried to move a box of rocks?


3 years is enough time to buy a sled, slide it in there, and push it down a hill into a deep, deep lake.

 

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Enjoy the distractions, while the real work continues to be done. That sham of a walkout was just that a sham. Why did the other Dems stay. More FaceTime for the Speaker and the Minority Senator. Gotta keep up appearances.

The IG report has been delayed but it will drop. Then the crying and gnashing of teeth will start.
Asagnge is due out in February assuming he doesn't commit suicide. I suspect he has some stories to tell.
With BCs failing health and Hillarys attack of Tulsi, its just a matter of time til the truths about that Crime Family starts to surface. Remember when the Vatican financial office was raided recently?



Scot away, but pay attention, pain will be dished out eventually.


This post will not hold up well in time.

It will be interesting to see wott Ed will say about it then.




If it does Ron will you acknowledge it?

December 9th starts the fun.


What has been put out so far, some minor problems on paperwork for one renewal on Carter Page but the whole investigation was legit, no deep state FBI hates trump crap.

Possible criminal charges against the lawyer who changed some documents which had no bearing on the overall probe.

And we've learned devin nunes himself went to Ukraine looking for dirt.

Doesn't look very good for him or the trump crime syndicate.


Well well well

The report is out and confirms no political bias to launch the investigation.

Will you acknowledge it???




Crickets



Not surprised.

 

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  posted on 12/10/2019 at 07:12 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, this concludes Act I of Insane in the Ukraine. Please take a short break and take advantage of our snacks and wide selection of liquors in the lobby.

Act II, The Articles will begin shortly.

 

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Ladies and Gentlemen, this concludes Act I of Insane in the Ukraine. Please take a short break and take advantage of our snacks and wide selection of liquors in the lobby.

Act II, The Articles will begin shortly.
OK, MR. "I believe in make believe".

 

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  posted on 12/11/2019 at 07:23 AM
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Ladies and Gentlemen, this concludes Act I of Insane in the Ukraine. Please take a short break and take advantage of our snacks and wide selection of liquors in the lobby.

Act II, The Articles will begin shortly.


It's not a very good play, but it's all we've got. Act III will be The Trial w/what IRL would be called a rigged jury but in impeachment it's called a Senate GOP majority who will not vote the defendant out of office.

The wide of selection of liquors is a good idea.

 

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https://youtu.be/DrpXyXKZUR4

Hypocrites all....

Joe Biden doing Obama's "work".....lol

 

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  posted on 12/12/2019 at 05:29 PM
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Hypocrites all....

Joe Biden doing Obama's "work".....lol


Well, soon it won't matter. Once the senate fails to convict and remove Trump, then it will set a precedent that government officials can use their influence and withhold money from foreign governments for their own personal reasons anytime in the future. Oh, and administration officials will be allowed to ignore subpoenas from congress in the future. I'll bet Hillary Clinton is pissed off now knowing she didn't have to show up to give testimony to congress now. It's all a new ball game folks. Checks and balances are a thing of the past. Just play victim and say the other party hates you and you can do whatever you want.

 

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  posted on 12/12/2019 at 06:37 PM
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https://youtu.be/DrpXyXKZUR4

Hypocrites all....

Joe Biden doing Obama's "work".....lol


Well, soon it won't matter. Once the senate fails to convict and remove Trump, then it will set a precedent that government officials can use their influence and withhold money from foreign governments for their own personal reasons anytime in the future. Oh, and administration officials will be allowed to ignore subpoenas from congress in the future. I'll bet Hillary Clinton is pissed off now knowing she didn't have to show up to give testimony to congress now. It's all a new ball game folks. Checks and balances are a thing of the past. Just play victim and say the other party hates you and you can do whatever you want.


Seems people don't want to see the entire picture of how it all played out starting in May when the ambassador was relived of her duties to get her out of the way.

The funds had been appropriated and the corruption narratives had been met and signed off. Ukraine asked many time between the time of the release and the time it actually happened. When? After the whistle blower came forward.

Trumps' phone call about no quid pro quo and I want nothing and the release of the funds came after he was aware of the whistle blower. Before that he made it clear though Sondland and others that if Zelinsky didn't announce an investigation into Biden there would be no aid or visit to the WH.

The investigation didn't even have to happen just an announcement. There also the insecure phone call to Sondland where another official heard Trump ask about investigations. To be told "Yes he loves your ass and will do anything for you" Never in any phone call did Trump talk about corruption. He was not looking into any other people or businesses just his political rival. I would find it quite strange that you would ask a country that you're worried is corrupt to do an investigation on corruption...but of course he's a stable genius

And all the supporter "like the way he talks"

As with all extortion's of course the one being extorted is going to play the game to save his country

How long will it take I asked on Jan 20th 2017...Here we are could be tomorrow or early next week and we'll have that answer

Individual #1 will be indicted one day and that day can't come too soon

 

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  posted on 12/13/2019 at 08:24 AM
Having a non partisan process should of been the top priority. Democrat plauy shennanagine and think the public will go along for the ride. Big mistake.

 

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