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  posted on 10/3/2019 at 01:33 PM
If there's people on this site who welcome a foreign country's investigation into an opponent, I can understand that urge among the commom folk like all of us - we're not supposed to be perfect. But the point is that common folk like us, and like Trump, can't and shouldn't be President of the United States of America if we cannot fight off that important urge, or see the extremely dangerous risks of it. We all know this ability should be a mandatory requirement for any leader of any country.
 

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  posted on 10/3/2019 at 01:44 PM
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I am vehemently opposed to the diffusion of wealth.


Then stop paying Fed tax and stay the hell off our public lands, until you "voluntarily donate" a user fee to the rest of us who share ownership. Did you know that before public land was nationalized, ONE ranching family OWNED all the present National Forest land from Flagstaff to Cottonwood? Until they were bought out by the US govt and all those billions of $ of real estate wealth you enjoy every day was distributed equally among all of us? I met a couple of them, who still run cattle on the rim - they still think it belongs to them, the way they talk. According to them we are all trespassers. Same deal with vast stretches of public lands across the Western Interior. Nationalized. That is textbook hardline socialism. A rockbottom bargain for the taxpayer, privlege of land use, a priceless resource for a pittance.


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  posted on 10/3/2019 at 01:56 PM
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Sounds like someone's ready for a nice cozy nap.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2019 at 02:04 PM
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Sounds like someone's ready for a nice cozy nap.


Exactly.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2019 at 03:28 PM
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Y a w n.......

Sounds like someone's ready for a nice cozy nap.

Exactly



Gotta agree, the self-evident makes for hohum boring discussion points. Enjoy your beauty sleep.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2019 at 03:29 PM
I second that motion for this thread too - let it rest

 

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  posted on 10/3/2019 at 04:31 PM
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Y a w n.......

Sounds like someone's ready for a nice cozy nap.

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Gotta agree, the self-evident makes for hohum boring discussion points. Enjoy your beauty sleep.


Not exactly "sleeping"...or "napping", more of a respite from those who choose to preach the Gospel as they see it and then are bothered when people have the audacity to disagree.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2019 at 04:55 PM
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Not exactly "sleeping"...or "napping", more of a respite from those who choose to preach the Gospel as they see it and then are bothered when people have the audacity to disagree.


Posting "Yawn" does not exactly strike me as daring and audacious disagreement. It isn't disagreement at all, it is saying that the post you are replying to is boring.

Saying "enjoy your nap" in response to "yawn" does not show a high degree of being bothered. It more shows a concession to your point of boredom.

Spare us your self-righteous kick, your "Lone Defender of Freedom" act, it is contrived, stale, and transparent. We are all middle of the road middle class working squares, man, more similar than different.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2019 at 06:12 PM
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and then are bothered when people have the audacity to disagree.


when "people"? He was talking to you directly.


 

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  posted on 10/3/2019 at 06:24 PM
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I find it absolutely hilarious that the Democrats main focus is on impeachment and not concentrating on one Candidate who can win in November 2020.

Maybe Beto can knock on every door in his home sate and attempt to take guns away from Law abiding citizens.

Or Andrew Yang can get started writing checks for $1,000.

Joe Biden could could start reminding himself to go to his Memory Class.

So much work ahead and so little time.


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Damage?..No. But having been and continuing to be a working man, I deeply resent the answer for everything to be the Democratic principle of raising Taxes to support those who can not or more importantly to "those who will not work"......Also, the Democratic conclusion that ALL Illegal immigrants are just looking for a "better life" and that WE should shoulder that cost.

It is my money, if I decide to donate it, that is my choice. Do not reach into MY wallet under the pretense that there are people out there who need help.

...Your argument as presented is that I am criticizing a "Group" of people and your measured response is to chastise me for having done so.


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and then are bothered when people have the audacity to disagree.


So if we "disagree" with your chastizing of Democrats, then you are the real victim here being chastized......unreal.



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  posted on 10/3/2019 at 06:47 PM
You don't seem to get it. The way Whipping Post works is we say whatever comes to mind, then when others don't like what we said we get to go "Alamo", and be the last proud beleaguered defender of civilization surrounded by bloodthirsty Philistines. Think the last scene of a bunch of Charlton Heston movies, that's the general idea.
 

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So the whistle-blowerrr met privately with Adam Schifffft and we are told that this was nothing to see here... Where have I heard this before? Oh, could be when Loretta lynch met with Bill Clinton (sic) on the tarmac and discussed grandkids and family. Nothing to do about illegal servers and DNC fave.


 

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  posted on 10/3/2019 at 07:30 PM
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So the whistle-blowerrr met privately with Adam Schifffft and we are told that this was nothing to see here... Where have I heard this before? Oh, could be when Loretta lynch met with Bill Clinton (sic) on the tarmac and discussed grandkids and family. Nothing to do about illegal servers and DNC fave.





Big picture, Goob?

So you think that Trump is just an innocent guy in his day to day transactions with everything from honesty to emoluments to supporting despots over our security agencies to having foreign governments interfere in our elections to being just one big victim in all things he's trying to do as the ultimate & self described stable genius that he is?

 

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  posted on 10/3/2019 at 08:14 PM
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So the whistle-blowerrr met privately with Adam Schifffft and we are told that this was nothing to see here... Where have I heard this before? Oh, could be when Loretta lynch met with Bill Clinton (sic) on the tarmac and discussed grandkids and family. Nothing to do about illegal servers and DNC fave.



We've also seen Trump meet with Putin privately with nobody else in the room. Maybe your right that only sleazy things can happen at these private meetings.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2019 at 11:10 PM
The Dem Natíl Convention is next July in Milwaukee
IF the Dems have successfully impeached-&-ousted Trump by then, it will be a festive occasion
IF, however, impeachment proceedings are still going on w/all the castigation/invective etc - itíll be a 180 the other way - a disaster
They have 8 months to get it done - but it still wonít guarantee anything -

thatís where I think theyíre mistaken IMO - believing their guy will get elected b/c voters think that anyone is better than Donald Trump, hence that amped up effort to get him out of there Now & not leave anything to chance in the general election

 

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  posted on 10/4/2019 at 12:49 AM
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The Dem Natíl Convention is next July in Milwaukee
IF the Dems have successfully impeached-&-ousted Trump by then, it will be a festive occasion
IF, however, impeachment proceedings are still going on w/all the castigation/invective etc - itíll be a 180 the other way - a disaster
They have 8 months to get it done - but it still wonít guarantee anything -

thatís where I think theyíre mistaken IMO - believing their guy will get elected b/c voters think that anyone is better than Donald Trump, hence that amped up effort to get him out of there Now & not leave anything to chance in the general election


The Democrats already know the senate won't remove him. I think they just want to send a message that Trump can't keep breaking the law at will and not getting called out on it. If he gets impeached at least his presidency will go into the history books with an embarrassing mark on it.

 

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  posted on 10/4/2019 at 07:12 AM
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thatís where I think theyíre mistaken IMO - believing their guy will get elected b/c voters think that anyone is better than Donald Trump, hence that amped up effort to get him out of there Now & not leave anything to chance in the general election

Impeachment is on the front burner now because he's done such egregious things to TAMPER W/THE 2020 ELECTION - calling on a quid pro quo w/Ukraine's leader and now, publicly & loudly asking Xi & China to do the same. This isn't about pay offs or corruption or Mueller that the Democrats didn't move forward on. It's about a fundamental tenet of US democracy - elections.

Democrats DON'T think that virtually any nominee will beat Trump & they've made a mistake in not identifying & getting behind a single winning candidate. There are political scientists & legal experts who think Republicans are making a mistake in not having a candidate other than Trump at the ready because by blatantly tampering with the upcoming election, he's made himself (& Pence) ineligible to run.

 

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thatís where I think theyíre mistaken IMO - believing their guy will get elected b/c voters think that anyone is better than Donald Trump, hence that amped up effort to get him out of there Now & not leave anything to chance in the general election

This isn't about pay offs or corruption or Mueller that the Democrats didn't move forward on. It's about a fundamental tenet of US democracy - elections.




I truly don't believe that Republicans care anymore about "fundamental tenet of US democracy - elections."

I don't say this as sarcasm or comedy. I think that the GOP at the highest levels (Barr, Pompeo, Congress) as well as the GOP electorate have turned their heads to just about all things Trump including his blatant abuse of power and dismanteling of the greatest tentet we have as a country as you have described. What have we, as country come to? The framers would turnover in their graves.

 

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I truly don't believe that Republicans care anymore about "fundamental tenet of US democracy - elections."

I agree and has been said ad nauseum on this site, Trump's acolytes will do anything to hold onto their seats or whatever else they fear by crossing him.

However, election tampering IS a crime and the man has now publicly asked 2 foreign governments to tamper w/his perceived rival in order to affect the 2020 outcome. No transcription errors. No fabrication. No misrepresentation. He did it in front of the press & TV cameras.

Election tampering doesn't need the DOJ to prosecute or Congress to impeach. Any AG in any state can file charges.


 

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Democrats DON'T think that virtually any nominee will beat Trump & they've made a mistake in not identifying & getting behind a single winning candidate. There are political scientists & legal experts who think Republicans are making a mistake in not having a candidate other than Trump at the ready because by blatantly tampering with the upcoming election, he's made himself (& Pence) ineligible to run.


I need to be more knowledgeable about the whole process
At what point would the Trump-Pence ticket be declared ineligible - as a result of impeachment - or by a motion on the floor of the GOP convention - or at some other point in time

Dfrnt subject, Maybe, lacking a single candidate to identify & get behind, the Democrats should endorse a Biden-Bernie Sanders ticket

Bernie is 78 & had a health scare recently - IMO he wouldnít be able to withstand the rigors of being president, but IMO would be an effective VP - Joe (76) is no youngster either but such a ticket, as of right now, might be the Demsí best bet toward their ultimate stated goal - not so much Winning the White House, but removing Trump From it

Plus, in tandem w/Bernie, Biden could shoulder the load & provide effective experienced popular leadership - in the same fashion as previous elders like Ike & Ronald Reagan did - just sayin

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thatís where I think theyíre mistaken IMO - believing their guy will get elected b/c voters think that anyone is better than Donald Trump, hence that amped up effort to get him out of there Now & not leave anything to chance in the general election

This isn't about pay offs or corruption or Mueller that the Democrats didn't move forward on. It's about a fundamental tenet of US democracy - elections.




I truly don't believe that Republicans care anymore about "fundamental tenet of US democracy - elections."

I don't say this as sarcasm or comedy. I think that the GOP at the highest levels (Barr, Pompeo, Congress) as well as the GOP electorate have turned their heads to just about all things Trump including his blatant abuse of power and dismanteling of the greatest tentet we have as a country as you have described. What have we, as country come to? The framers would turnover in their graves.


They see the tides changing with immigration no longer coming from western European countries. They see what they call the "browning" of America happening in front of their face and they don't like that those people will most likely vote democratic. So cheating to save the white world from reality and the destruction of our democracy is their chosen direction. It's not just the politicians it's those who voted in those politicians and still stand by their vote that don't care about what US values are. What's written on the statue of liberty. What my father and many of your families fought and died for in WWII. They don't care and I never in my life ever really followed politics that closely until this last election. I never feared for our government or democracy under any other president.

Knowing that DT for the last 40 years has been nothing but a buffoon and then to watch all of the other crap he pulled during his campaign and got elected is when my attention turned. I'd actually like to go back to the other way of living but this is way too important. Those who seem unfazed by all of it and still back him don't care about our democracy. Actions always speak louder than words, and lame justifications are just that. Empty word backed by actions that say I'm all in for this

 

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  posted on 10/4/2019 at 09:59 AM
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They see the tides changing with immigration no longer coming from western European countries. They see what they call the "browning" of America happening in front of their face and they don't like that those people will most likely vote democratic.


Interesting in that a lot of these immigrants come from countries where the Government takes care of them in the form of social programs and which Party will continue to do this?

 

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They see the tides changing with immigration no longer coming from western European countries. They see what they call the "browning" of America happening in front of their face and they don't like that those people will most likely vote democratic.


Interesting in that a lot of these immigrants come from countries where the Government takes care of them in the form of social programs and which Party will continue to do this?


Thanks for making my point with a lame justification for being all in on whats happening. We aren't those countries and weren't Italy when my family came here. They come to seek the American way of life like my family did. Only in your fearful head are they here to change that. So we get a lame justification for allow Trump to destroy our country

 

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They see the tides changing with immigration no longer coming from western European countries. They see what they call the "browning" of America happening in front of their face and they don't like that those people will most likely vote democratic.


Interesting in that a lot of these immigrants come from countries where the Government takes care of them in the form of social programs and which Party will continue to do this?


Thanks for making my point with a lame justification for being all in on whats happening. We aren't those countries and weren't Italy when my family came here. They come to seek the American way of life like my family did. Only in your fearful head are they here to change that. So we get a lame justification for allow Trump to destroy our country


If you are insinuating that "Color" is the core of immigration concerns, well, you are dead wrong. First and foremost I wish them to follow the LAW when entering this country as my Fiancee and myself are doing. Secondly I wish for all hard working citizens of this country to keep their hard earned money and spen it the way they see fit and not because there are people here who are expecting "help" all while entering Illegally.

 

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  posted on 10/4/2019 at 11:21 AM
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They see the tides changing with immigration no longer coming from western European countries. They see what they call the "browning" of America happening in front of their face and they don't like that those people will most likely vote democratic. So cheating to save the white world from reality and the destruction of our democracy is their chosen direction.


Color is probably part of the story, but I think itís also about their perceived threat of immigrants in general, in terms of jobs, especially for the working class folks. This fear is certainly understandable - their livelihood is at stake.

 
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