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  posted on 10/1/2019 at 06:05 PM
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Some economists and historians have theorized that eventually Capitalism will destroy itself as it searches across the world for cheap, low cost labor and cheap manufacturing inputs.


Maybe so, but I will still choose it 100% of the time over any form of Government that declares Socialism as the answer.


If only it was as simple as you, one individual among millions, making such a decision. If only here in America we practiced a pure form of capitalism (We don't) or a pure form of socialism (we don't).

Instead, as I assume you well know, both are interwoven and it's really just a question of how much of each at any given time in the history of our economy. In other words it's not black or white, but gray....

For example, it seems to me that we need a dash or two more of socialism in present day America given the unequal distribution of wealth in this nation and the rise of a relatively few corporations that more and more control more and more of the American economy....Corporations owned and controlled by relatively few people. In the years and decades ahead, perhaps less socialism and more capitalism.

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Some economists and historians have theorized that eventually Capitalism will destroy itself as it searches across the world for cheap, low cost labor and cheap manufacturing inputs.


Maybe so, but I will still choose it 100% of the time over any form of Government that declares Socialism as the answer.


If only it was as simple as you, one individual among millions, making such a decision. If only here in America we practiced a pure form of capitalism (We don't) or a pure form of socialism (we don't).

Instead, as I assume you well know, both are interwoven and it's really just a question of how much of each at any given time in the history of our economy. In other words it's not black or white, but gray....

For example, it seems to me that we need a dash or two more of socialism in present day America given the unequal distribution of wealth in this nation and the rise of a relatively few corporations that more and more control more and more of the American economy....Corporations owned and controlled by relatively few people. In the years and decades ahead, perhaps less socialism and more capitalism.

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  posted on 10/1/2019 at 07:42 PM
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As completely disingenuous as this inquiry is, the easiest answer to "thriving Socialism" is China.


Turn on your TV and watch how just how staunchly the people of Hong Kong are trying to resist....

 

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But name ONE country where a TOTALLY Socialist economy and Government is thriving.


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You would think it would be so easy, just pointing out ONE example where the left's beloved Socialist ideals are thriving. Just one, and please make it a Country with a population larger than the state of Kansas...

If you won't, I am guessing it is because you can not.


So your “opinion” is that the left wants a TOTALLY socialist country? Or are you just being dramatic and emotional?


Well let's see, Health insurance for all "Who is going to Pay"? 15$ an hour. Free College, "Who is going to pay"? Andrew Yang and his $1000 a month for everyone "Who is going to pay"?

Shall I go on?

"Or are you just being dramatic and emotional?"..LOL...You just can't help it, I have once again disagreed and this is how you handle it. Too funny.

 

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I came hear looking for any Biden articles? Has anyone come across any MSM articles about the Biden -Ukraine quid pro quo?

 

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  posted on 10/1/2019 at 09:35 PM
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Well let's see, Health insurance for all "Who is going to Pay"? 15$ an hour. Free College, "Who is going to pay"? Andrew Yang and his $1000 a month for everyone "Who is going to pay"?

Shall I go on?


If you want to state a case for “TOTALLY” socialist, then yes, you’re going to need to go on much much more than three examples.


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"Or are you just being dramatic and emotional?"..LOL...You just can't help it, I have once again disagreed and this is how you handle it. Too funny.


Well, to suggest the left wants a "TOTALLY" socialist U.S., then are you not being dramatic? You gave three examples....wouldn't you say you are being dramatic about it?



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Well let's see, Health insurance for all "Who is going to Pay"? 15$ an hour. Free College, "Who is going to pay"? Andrew Yang and his $1000 a month for everyone "Who is going to pay"?

Shall I go on?


If you want to state a case for “TOTALLY” socialist, then yes, you’re going to need to go on much much more than three examples.


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"Or are you just being dramatic and emotional?"..LOL...You just can't help it, I have once again disagreed and this is how you handle it. Too funny.


Well, to suggest the left wants a "TOTALLY" socialist U.S., then are you not being dramatic? You gave three examples....wouldn't you say you are being dramatic about it?


No, but knock yourself out bro'. I don't care.

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  posted on 10/1/2019 at 09:43 PM
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I came hear looking for any Biden articles? Has anyone come across any MSM articles about the Biden -Ukraine quid pro quo?


"hear", lol.


 

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  posted on 10/1/2019 at 10:49 PM


I guess we don't have any money for basic human services like a quality education and healthcare

 

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  posted on 10/2/2019 at 07:03 AM
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I guess we don't have any money for basic human services like a quality education and healthcare


I'm curious how much Congress will appropriate for Trump's desire for alligators & snakes would cost to augment the border wall. If they shoot that down, maybe we can just get Mexico to pay for the alligators and snakes. If not, how about an executive order? Looking forward to hear Trump work that into his immigrant rant at the next rally. Maybe he can hold snakes like those pastors that preach & heal with snakes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/us/politics/trump-border-wars.html

 

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I don't understand how anyone can support Trump. Period. Without reference to party or replacement or political capital, how can any American much less a legislator believe that a man who, aside from being corrupt & lawless, thinks building moats filled w/alligators and snakes at the border, shooting unarmed immigrants in the legs to slow them down if killing them outright is illegal, and makes an offer of cash to a foreign leader in exchange for political dirt on a rival should be president?

Were such a man presented w/o party affiliation to voters he would seem surreal and rejected for mental health reasons. For three years, reasonable members of Congress have supported him and those who objected to him, didn't run for re-election. Presumably competent heads of key agencies and the military have been fired or quit because of this man's volatility. Worse, POTUS isn't the job Trump wants. He wants to be a king, emperor, or dictator like his idols Putin, MBS, and Xi. He had his own fiefdom at the Trump Organization and somehow, through the magic of being of TV celebrity, he landed in the Oval Office.

Impeachment isn't the best choice; invoking the 25th Amendment makes the most sense. The man simply isn't fit for office.


 

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  posted on 10/2/2019 at 07:48 AM
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As completely disingenuous as this inquiry is, the easiest answer to "thriving Socialism" is China.


Turn on your TV and watch how just how staunchly the people of Hong Kong are trying to resist....


Your President is praising them, though. He ain't on the left, but since he's not Hillary, you don't have an issue with it.

Says way more about you than anyone else here.

 

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  posted on 10/2/2019 at 07:49 AM
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I don't understand how anyone can support Trump. Period. Without reference to party or replacement or political capital, how can any American much less a legislator believe that a man who, aside from being corrupt & lawless, thinks building moats filled w/alligators and snakes at the border, shooting unarmed immigrants in the legs to slow them down if killing them outright is illegal, and makes an offer of cash to a foreign leader in exchange for political dirt on a rival should be president?

Were such a man presented w/o party affiliation to voters he would seem surreal and rejected for mental health reasons. For three years, reasonable members of Congress have supported him and those who objected to him, didn't run for re-election. Presumably competent heads of key agencies and the military have been fired or quit because of this man's volatility. Worse, POTUS isn't the job Trump wants. He wants to be a king, emperor, or dictator like his idols Putin, MBS, and Xi. He had his own fiefdom at the Trump Organization and somehow, through the magic of being of TV celebrity, he landed in the Oval Office.

Impeachment isn't the best choice; invoking the 25th Amendment makes the most sense. The man simply isn't fit for office.




Because no matter what he does, they will always hate liberals more.

It's just that simple.

 

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  posted on 10/2/2019 at 08:33 AM
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Because no matter what he does, they will always hate liberals more.

It's just that simple.


This is 100% the root of everything going on here. But as easy as it is to criticize this mentality, people were preyed upon by a massive Russian troll operation that fed them fanatical lies about liberals as far back as the Obama administration, compounded by a disturbed demogogue candidate pouring gas on the fire. They exploited these folks through the wonders of modern technology like predators. They are victims of fraud by the ulimate fraudsters.

I've been most let down by our Republicans in Washington that go along with it for career reasons, even though they are fully aware of how insane all of this is. They are the ones who are supposed to help and know better.

The storm will pass in 2024. I expect the Republicans in Washington will feign ignorance, and there will be an eery calm. People will be so sick and tired of fighting.

Trump is a strong fighter, who also shows glaring examples of low self-esteem, insecurity, rage, and sadness...basically someone who has never felt peace. Because he feels this way, because he's threatened by cool cats like Obama, he fights, and he fights hard. Many Americans feel threatened by change, so they have the same urge to fight those who embrace change...liberals and Democrats. If this is how they are living, and if they relate to Donald Trump and wish to follow him, then part of this equation is that maybe Democrats need to address these fears in a serious manner when explaining their policies.





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  posted on 10/2/2019 at 09:10 AM
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I don't understand how anyone can support Trump. Period.


And the other half of the Country does not understand how anyone can Vote in line with Democratic ideals and values. Period.

Impasse.

 

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  posted on 10/2/2019 at 09:24 AM
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I don't understand how anyone can support Trump. Period.


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And the other half of the Country does not understand how anyone can Vote in line with Democratic ideals and values. Period.


He spoke for himself by using the word "I". Why would you say, "and the other half of the country" in response?

 

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The storm will pass in 2024. I expect the Republicans in Washington will feign ignorance, and there will be an eery calm. People will be so sick and tired of fighting.

Trump is a strong fighter, who also shows glaring examples of low self-esteem, insecurity, rage, and sadness...basically someone who has never felt peace. Because he feels this way, because he's threatened by cool cats like Obama, he fights, and he fights hard. Many Americans feel threatened by change, so they have the same urge to fight those who embrace change...liberals and Democrats. If this is how they are living, and if they relate to Donald Trump and wish to follow him, then part of this equation is that maybe Democrats need to address these fears in a serious manner when explaining their policies.
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IMO his re-election is not a foregone conclusion, his many enemies will be working OT to that effect - all good, but the eerie calm you foresee leading up to election day, I personally don’t see happening -

but you could be right, voters might be sick & tired of all the bull **** by next Nov, possibly enhancing re-election chances

The comment about his personal demons - low self esteem, insecurity, rage, sadness - is a little too over the top for me - I don’t see Donald trump as the evil whack job he’s far-&-wide portrayed to be - it’s a fickle public I guess - George W Bush was equally reviled, but was still re-elected

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  posted on 10/2/2019 at 09:40 AM
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I don't understand how anyone can support Trump. Period.


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And the other half of the Country does not understand how anyone can Vote in line with Democratic ideals and values. Period.


He spoke for himself by using the word "I". Why would you say, "and the other half of the country" in response?


Does not the phrase "anyone" infer the 50% who did?

 

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What exactly are Democratic values and polices?? Fox talking points or reality

I don't know one person that wants open borders, or a weak military, or any of the wack-a-do crap I ear spewed

Every person has their own set of values. I didn't want HC either but when they boiled all of it down to the 2 that counted in the election the path for me was clear because I already knew DT was a buffoon. So the choice for me was a Buffoon for someone that I could deal with for 4 years and then hope to vote out.

There were many that ran under the GOP umbrella that if any sane republican would have followed their values I would have voted for that person this time around. Rubio, Kasich, Even Romney I could have dealt with my difference in policy to not have HC but again the Republican base fell of the meds and went with a buffoon

Now they want to justify the Buffoon because when you vote for a buffoon you must be one first

 

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  posted on 10/2/2019 at 10:36 AM
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Does not the phrase "anyone" infer the 50% who did?


I'm referring to the subject of the sentences, not the object. He said, "I don't understand...", and you responded in comparison with, "the other half of the country doesn't understand..." Why would you claim to know what half the country does or doesn't understand? And why would you take "I don't understand" as "half the country"? I think you meant to say that YOU don't understand how someone can vote for Democratic ideals and values.

 

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  posted on 10/2/2019 at 10:55 AM
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but the eerie calm you foresee leading up to election day, I personally don’t see happening -
but you could be right, voters might be sick & tired of all the bull **** by next Nov, possibly enhancing re-election chances


I meant that the eery calm would come in 2024, after his 8 years are up. I do believe he will win again in 2020. By the 8th year, everyone will be completely drained and desperate for serenity.

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The comment about his personal demons - low self esteem, insecurity, rage, sadness - is a little too over the top for me - I don’t see Donald trump as the evil whack job he’s far-&-wide portrayed to be - it’s a fickle public I guess - George W Bush was equally reviled, but was still re-elected


I'm not referring to any of his proposed policies, but how can you listen to his unscripted speeches and daily Tweets and think otherwise? It's a non-stop steady stream of rage and sadness in his demeanor. It's not healthy or normal to blame and attack people everyday.

 

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  posted on 10/2/2019 at 10:57 AM
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Does not the phrase "anyone" infer the 50% who did?


I'm referring to the subject of the sentences, not the object. He said, "I don't understand...", and you responded in comparison with, "the other half of the country doesn't understand..." Why would you claim to know what half the country does or doesn't understand? And why would you take "I don't understand" as "half the country"? I think you meant to say that YOU don't understand how someone can vote for Democratic ideals and values.


Take it anyway you choose professor

 

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  posted on 10/2/2019 at 11:02 AM
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And the other half of the Country does not understand how anyone can Vote in line with Democratic ideals and values. Period.


You don't get to speak for half the country. Period. You speak for yourself. Most people CAN understand differing ideals and values.

 

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  posted on 10/2/2019 at 11:25 AM
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Because no matter what he does, they will always hate liberals more.


True, but my question was REMOVING PARTY AFFILIATION or ALTERNATIVE or SUCCESSOR - just looking at the man himself.

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And the other half of the Country does not understand how anyone can Vote in line with Democratic ideals and values. Period.


You don't get to speak for half the country. Period. You speak for yourself. Most people CAN understand differing ideals and values.


Don't think, even for a moment you will ever be in a position to tell me what to do.

 
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