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  posted on 9/28/2019 at 11:19 PM
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Here ya go! Plaster 250 of these all over your rig!




Do you have them translated into Ukrainian?

 

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  posted on 9/29/2019 at 07:49 AM
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I realize there are segments of America that have valid reasons to vote for Trump - those who have seen their communities be reduced to abandoned wastelands, factory workers who can't find work, opiod addicted families, people with limited resources and abilities. If these people feel a need to blow up the system, then I completely understand. But any American who grew up in a stable home and received a decent education should have much higher standards, not only for the office of the presidency, but for themselves as well.



I suppose you feel that sweeping changes in the conditions you reference were made during the previous administration? Especially for those factory workers...???

You're delusional.

I'll wait for the sanctimonious, insulting reply.

 

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  posted on 9/29/2019 at 08:17 AM
He’s already acknowledged & apologized for all this, no sense in dragging it out all over again
I say let the thread rest until after impeachment, if it gets that far - the thread was started Jan 2017, it can stand to vanish off the pages again for awhile - best wishes, happy Sunday to all

[Edited on 9/29/2019 by Stephen]

 

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  posted on 9/29/2019 at 08:49 AM
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I understand, it's new and scary; there's a first time for every behavior.


It’s the comeback kid everyone! Lol.

 

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  posted on 9/29/2019 at 12:06 PM
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Comedy has traditionally picked on people in power, people who abuse their power. Women and gays and immigrants, to my way of thinking, are underdogs. I think his core audience is young white males who are threatened by these groups. I think a lot of these guys aren’t sure of their manhood, I think that’s often a problem when you’re going through adolescence... and the women who assert themselves and that are competent are a threat to these men, and so are immigrants in terms of jobs. I think that’s what is at the core of that experience that takes place in those arenas. A sharing of anger and rage at these targets.


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Who the f*ck are you?


That quote is from George Carlin, 1990. It's Trump in a nutshell. Wake up and demand better for yourself...you deserve it.





[Edited on 9/29/2019 by Skydog32103]

 

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  posted on 9/29/2019 at 12:16 PM
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I suppose you feel that sweeping changes in the conditions you reference were made during the previous administration? Especially for those factory workers...???

You're delusional.

I'll wait for the sanctimonious, insulting reply.


You can wait, but you're not going to get one. I've never seen you come on here and scapegoat a bunch of decent people. The truth is that no administration in our history has helped these groups that I described, and it sounds like you and I both know that Trump isn't going to help the situation either. The most likely scenario is that these groups are neglected because of the sad reality of an evolving technological workplace and a survival of the fittest world. No government will lift them - people have to lift themselves and evolve with the times, or get left behind. I find it sad that Trump preyed on these folks. If he does one thing in his 8 years, I hope he helps these people. I'll congratulate him if he does.



[Edited on 9/29/2019 by Skydog32103]

 

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  posted on 9/30/2019 at 07:22 AM
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I suppose you feel that sweeping changes in the conditions you reference were made during the previous administration? Especially for those factory workers...???

You're delusional.

I'll wait for the sanctimonious, insulting reply.


You can wait, but you're not going to get one. I've never seen you come on here and scapegoat a bunch of decent people. The truth is that no administration in our history has helped these groups that I described, and it sounds like you and I both know that Trump isn't going to help the situation either. The most likely scenario is that these groups are neglected because of the sad reality of an evolving technological workplace and a survival of the fittest world. No government will lift them - people have to lift themselves and evolve with the times, or get left behind. I find it sad that Trump preyed on these folks. If he does one thing in his 8 years, I hope he helps these people. I'll congratulate him if he does.



[Edited on 9/29/2019 by Skydog32103]


My apologies. I guess you are specific in who you respond to in a harsh manner.

I have my own opinions about manufacturing and who failed who. I do think that although technology is largely responsible for the erosion of factory jobs, the biggest reason that there are so many unskilled and skilled workers sitting idle is that the jobs went elsewhere. Take for instance, the textile industry. And why aren't those millions of cell phones being assembled in the USA? I have my own opinions and theories regarding that, too.

No, I don't think Trump is going to help those people, but the parties, organizations, and individuals that they routinely look to have failed them miserably.

 

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  posted on 9/30/2019 at 09:33 AM
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My apologies. I guess you are specific in who you respond to in a harsh manner.


No apology needed, but thanks. I make my own reputation here. And yes, you are correct in your assessment.

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I have my own opinions about manufacturing and who failed who. I do think that although technology is largely responsible for the erosion of factory jobs, the biggest reason that there are so many unskilled and skilled workers sitting idle is that the jobs went elsewhere. Take for instance, the textile industry. And why aren't those millions of cell phones being assembled in the USA? I have my own opinions and theories regarding that, too.

No, I don't think Trump is going to help those people, but the parties, organizations, and individuals that they routinely look to have failed them miserably.


Agree 100% with all of this. Thriving factory towns used to provide middle class laborers with nice homes, cars, disposable income, and a strong quality of life with pride. Then just as you said, they all closed up and went elsewhere by the 70s or so. I guess the question remains is...why can’t the U.S. produce affordable domestic labor? We know it isn’t a party issue, although I’m sure it does factor into it somewhat.

What’s your theory?

For me, a big part of it is that Americans tend to have higher demands for their pay and working environment. These demands are justified in my opinion, but they become costly, so owners look elsewhere. On one hand, these workers deserve the better pay and conditions, but on the other, an owner should be able to maximize profits for himself too. As long as we have developing countries offering cheap production and labor, what can be done to prevent owners from going there?

Does the U.S. even have a workforce that is available and ready at a comparable pay-scale and environment as the developing countries? I know we have the workers, but will they accept that type of pay and quality of life?






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  posted on 9/30/2019 at 09:59 AM
I'll ask again without the diatribe

Did anyone not see this coming?

 

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  posted on 9/30/2019 at 11:11 AM
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Does the U.S. even have a workforce that is available and ready at a comparable pay-scale and environment as the developing countries?


Not since the Emancipation Proclamation.

 

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  posted on 9/30/2019 at 04:17 PM
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My apologies. I guess you are specific in who you respond to in a harsh manner.


No apology needed, but thanks. I make my own reputation here. And yes, you are correct in your assessment.

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I have my own opinions about manufacturing and who failed who. I do think that although technology is largely responsible for the erosion of factory jobs, the biggest reason that there are so many unskilled and skilled workers sitting idle is that the jobs went elsewhere. Take for instance, the textile industry. And why aren't those millions of cell phones being assembled in the USA? I have my own opinions and theories regarding that, too.

No, I don't think Trump is going to help those people, but the parties, organizations, and individuals that they routinely look to have failed them miserably.


Agree 100% with all of this. Thriving factory towns used to provide middle class laborers with nice homes, cars, disposable income, and a strong quality of life with pride. Then just as you said, they all closed up and went elsewhere by the 70s or so. I guess the question remains is...why can’t the U.S. produce affordable domestic labor? We know it isn’t a party issue, although I’m sure it does factor into it somewhat.

What’s your theory?

For me, a big part of it is that Americans tend to have higher demands for their pay and working environment. These demands are justified in my opinion, but they become costly, so owners look elsewhere. On one hand, these workers deserve the better pay and conditions, but on the other, an owner should be able to maximize profits for himself too. As long as we have developing countries offering cheap production and labor, what can be done to prevent owners from going there?

Does the U.S. even have a workforce that is available and ready at a comparable pay-scale and environment as the developing countries? I know we have the workers, but will they accept that type of pay and quality of life?






[Edited on 9/30/2019 by Skydog32103]


Some economists and historians have theorized that eventually Capitalism will destroy itself as it searches across the world for cheap, low cost labor and cheap manufacturing inputs. As it races and races around the globe over the course of years, eventually such low cost inputs will no longer exist and thus no one will have the purchasing power to actually buy the goods that keep the entire system running.

It's sort of akin to "racing to the bottom" as the never ending effort to maximize profits causes the entire system to eventually implode. These same economists, historians, social scientist, etc. suggest this is why the world maybe will eventually have to move toward perhaps a basic standard income.

Others suggest we should simply pay people a living wage and thus maintain their purchasing power to continue the cycle. Paying that living wage may consist of pay from your employer along with a basic gov't subsidy. Or some combination of the two along with a shorter work week to create more actual jobs, ect. etc.....

Smart companies understand the race to the bottom and now see the long game and are finding ways to address income inequality, living wages, etc.....



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  posted on 9/30/2019 at 07:14 PM
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Some economists and historians have theorized that eventually Capitalism will destroy itself as it searches across the world for cheap, low cost labor and cheap manufacturing inputs.


Maybe so, but I will still choose it 100% of the time over any form of Government that declares Socialism as the answer.

 

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  posted on 9/30/2019 at 07:38 PM
So much for the intelligent dialogue that was developing.



 

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  posted on 9/30/2019 at 08:02 PM
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So much for the intelligent dialogue that was developing.





I agree.

Socialism is nothing more than the government doing it's best for the PEOPLE, not the corporations.

I look forward to those evil "socialist" snowplows clearing my road this coming winter.

 

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  posted on 9/30/2019 at 09:34 PM
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So much for the intelligent dialogue that was developing.





I agree.

Socialism is nothing more than the government doing it's best for the PEOPLE, not the corporations.

I look forward to those evil "socialist" snowplows clearing my road this coming winter.


Or the police, fire department, Army, USMC, Navy, Air Force, National Guard, Coast Guard, county sheriff, state police, FBI, CIA, social security, medicare, the library, stop lights, infrastructure public school k-12

For most it's a word that they over use to show that they're just selfish

All the European countries that they think are socialist are democracies where the people have agreed they'd rather pay taxes to cover basic human services. schools through college(because they care if their children are educated) Medical care(Because they believe healthcare is a right) Paternity services(because having the mother with child at the beginning is important)

Their governments don't control the markets for products...that is communism

So we instead pay an insurance company who then makes the decision if you get the medical care you require...and people think that's better??? and we put our kids in massive debt so they can get a quality education...madness, stupidity and the height of selfishness

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  posted on 9/30/2019 at 10:03 PM
Maybe applying some of the Economic tenets of socialism to the free-enterprise approach we have here, would benefit the e pluribus unum system, & would in retrospect be something our founding fathers would have been OK with

Didn’t Ronald Reagan try something new & different like that with “supply side economics” when he was elected - but am veering off topic

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Maybe applying some of the Economic tenets of socialism to the free-enterprise approach we have here, would benefit the e pluribus unum system, & would in retrospect be something our founding fathers would have been OK with

Didn’t Ronald Reagan try something new & different like that with “supply side economics” when he was elected - but am veering off topic


All logic and evidence shows that countries can benefit from some level of socialism in certain areas, like the public services mentioned above, Medicaid, etc. All of us here benefit from socialism from our government, but there seems to be a fanatical paranoia about the word.

 

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Maybe applying some of the Economic tenets of socialism to the free-enterprise approach we have here, would benefit the e pluribus unum system, & would in retrospect be something our founding fathers would have been OK with

Didn’t Ronald Reagan try something new & different like that with “supply side economics” when he was elected - but am veering off topic


All logic and evidence shows that countries can benefit from some level of socialism in certain areas, like the public services mentioned above, Medicaid, etc. All of us here benefit from socialism from our government, but there seems to be a fanatical paranoia about the word.


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There is a misunderstanding of what socialism is and that there are aspects of it already in play as you have correctly identified and back referenced.

It's individuals that are uninformed or deceptive and ether take the bait or on the other hand use the term "socialism" as some sort of fear factor. Yet they are the same ones that benefit from what socialism provides.

 

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  posted on 10/1/2019 at 10:13 AM
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All logic and evidence shows that countries can benefit from some level of socialism in certain areas, like the public services mentioned above, Medicaid, etc. All of us here benefit from socialism from our government, but there seems to be a fanatical paranoia about the word.


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There is a misunderstanding of what socialism is and that there are aspects of it already in play as you have correctly identified and back referenced.

It's individuals that are uninformed or deceptive and ether take the bait or on the other hand use the term "socialism" as some sort of fear factor. Yet they are the same ones that benefit from what socialism provides.


"some level of socialism"...."It's individuals that are uninformed "...."There is a misunderstanding of what socialism is"....


Too funny. Yeah, it's easy to cherry pick and say all of this, especially when the left loves to highlight countries in northern Europe that have populations the size of Nebraska. But name ONE country where a TOTALLY Socialist economy and Government is thriving. What's even funnier is the left's propensity to single out those who disagree and label them as "Not understanding"....

 

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  posted on 10/1/2019 at 10:26 AM
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But name ONE country where a TOTALLY Socialist economy and Government is thriving.


Why? What would be the point?

 

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But name ONE country where a TOTALLY Socialist economy and Government is thriving.


Why? What would be the point?


You would think it would be so easy, just pointing out ONE example where the left's beloved Socialist ideals are thriving. Just one, and please make it a Country with a population larger than the state of Kansas...

If you won't, I am guessing it is because you can not.

 

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But name ONE country where a TOTALLY Socialist economy and Government is thriving.


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You would think it would be so easy, just pointing out ONE example where the left's beloved Socialist ideals are thriving. Just one, and please make it a Country with a population larger than the state of Kansas...

If you won't, I am guessing it is because you can not.


So your “opinion” is that the left wants a TOTALLY socialist country? Or are you just being dramatic and emotional?

 

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But name ONE country where a TOTALLY Socialist economy and Government is thriving.


Why? What would be the point?


You would think it would be so easy, just pointing out ONE example where the left's beloved Socialist ideals are thriving. Just one, and please make it a Country with a population larger than the state of Kansas...

If you won't, I am guessing it is because you can not.


As completely disingenuous as this inquiry is, the easiest answer to "thriving Socialism" is China. Their GDP matches ours, their Gini coefficient matches ours and your beloved President At-Least-He's-Not-Hillary just praised and congratulated them this morning.

Does that count?

Save the keystrokes on "so the left wants to be more like China" response, too. You aren't that lazy.

 

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China is not a "totally socialist" country. It is capitalist as hell. Countries have varying degrees of capitalism and socialism and all the other isms, but there is no such thing as any country being "totally" anything. Never has been either, the USSR was corrupt as hell and crony capitalism was normal there. The USA is not "totally" free market capitalist either.
 

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China is not a "totally socialist" country. It is capitalist as hell. Countries have varying degrees of capitalism and socialism and all the other isms, but there is no such thing as any country being "totally" anything. Never has been either, the USSR was corrupt as hell and crony capitalism was normal there. The USA is not "totally" free market capitalist either.


So true and the only "major" difference between those countries and the US is healthcare and education.

Those are the 2 major things on my list that I'd like to see changed.

 

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