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  posted on 3/17/2016 at 01:54 PM
Media, Beltway warnings about Trump a throwback to 1980
Published March 17, 2016

Another day, another dire warning about Donald Trump’s growing power. This time, The Washington Post editorial board declared Republicans must “block” his election, warning he “presents a threat to American democracy.”

This isn’t the first time, however, that the editorial pages and the pundits have tripped the alarms about an outsider Republican candidate.

The warnings about Trump are in some ways a throwback to what was said and written about Ronald Reagan when he ran against Jimmy Carter in 1980.

Then, the former California governor was portrayed as a fascist and compared to Hitler. He was accused of stoking nationalistic fears, and offering simplistic solutions to big issues.
Journalists also pointed to Reagan’s political affiliation with the Democrats for a major part of his life.

Sound familiar?

In July of 1980, Anthony Lewis of the New York Times wrote that Reagan was “bellicose” and “simple-minded,” explaining that as “Reagan has become more deliberate in his remarks on foreign affairs over recent months, that quality has remained -- a sense that he is somehow not connected with the world as it is.”

In Jay Perkins’ coverage for the Associated Press of the 1980 election, he wrote that Reagan’s problem is “not a loose lip but the simple answer. In Mr. Reagan's case it appears to arise from a romanticized image of America. … Translating nostalgia into policy is far more difficult, and dangerous, than he lets on.”

The warnings were more heated from the lawmakers and pundits.
As the American Enterprise Institute’s Steven Hayward recalled in a 2011 piece, Democratic then-Rep. William Clay alleged Reagan was “trying to replace the Bill of Rights with fascist precepts lifted verbatim from Mein Kampf.”

He added, “Harry Stein (later a conservative convert) wrote in Esquire that the voters who supported Reagan were like the ‘good Germans’ in ‘Hitler’s Germany.’”

Meanwhile, as Trump has faced accusations for shifting positions, Reagan faced many of the same complications in his coverage.

Lou Cannon of the Washington Post wrote in the fall of 1980: “Throughout the fall campaign, this Reagan has muted much of his conservative rhetoric in an effort to reposition himself as a born-again New Dealer sympathetic to the plight of blue-collar workers pinched by unemployment and inflation.”

Cannon went on to write in-depth about the various “versions” of Reagan that appeared, claiming he shifted core values in virtually every election he ran. “This strategy does not sit particularly well with either the handful of Republicans on the party's liberal wing nor with the ultraconservatives who have been largely shut out from key campaign positions.”

Reagan, like Trump, also took heat for his simple answers to questions about complex topics.
In late spring of 1980, Gerald C. Lubenow of Newsweek wrote that Reagan’s appeal to a wide range of voters came from his ability to churn out those answers. Regarding criticisms of Reagan’s substance, Lubenow wrote, “on occasion, such simplicities have gotten Reagan into trouble and generated the impression that his pronouncements are, at best, poorly researched.”

The central narrative on Reagan, though, focused on his nationalistic rhetoric. Indeed, he pushed for voters to rally behind the United States as it prepared to confront the Soviet Union.

President Jimmy Carter’s campaign quickly seized an opportunity to question Reagan’s competence on foreign policy when Reagan publicly supported Taiwan, a statement that had the potential of enflaming Sino-American relations in the event of his election.

In the 2016 cycle, many pundits and Republican rivals also cite Trump’s murky answers to complex issues. They say Trump lacks substance in his answers, and flip-flops – pointing, for instance, to his once-pro-choice stance that has since changed to pro-life.

Opponents say Trump’s changes in position are indicative of how he lacks trustworthiness as a candidate. They say Trump’s rhetoric does damage to the Republican brand, arguing it alienates large groups of people.

But critics also suggest the problems with Trump are far more consequential than past concerns about Reagan.

As the Post editorial board wrote:

“Mr. Trump resembles other strongmen throughout history who have achieved power by manipulating democratic processes. Their playbook includes a casual embrace of violence; a willingness to wield government powers against personal enemies; contempt for a free press; demonization of anyone who is not white and Christian; intimations of dark conspiracies; and the propagation of sweeping, ugly lies.”

Ronald Reagan won in a landslide victory humiliating Carter and the Democrats.



 

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  posted on 3/17/2016 at 02:04 PM
Of course muledrool didn't give a source to this story because it was Fox News.

foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/17/analysis-media-beltway-warnings-about-trump -throwback-to-1980.html

Fox News. Far right wing source. Dismissed. Next!

 

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  posted on 3/17/2016 at 02:24 PM
What people across the globe think of Donald Trump
By Jessica King and Wes Little, CNN

Updated 3:04 PM ET, Thu March 17, 2016

(CNN) CNN asked people across the globe what they think of the Republican candidate. Here are three things we learned.

There's a lot of fear

Just how would the world react to a Trump White House? Most people we asked say they're scared. "I'm actually very, very worried," a Hong Kong woman told CNN.

Some fear a breakdown in relations between the United States and other countries, while others are concerned he'll encourage cultural intolerance. The "melting pot we know America as is going to change a lot" a young Cairo student said. Some people are more pessimistic. Standing in front of Berlin's Brandenburg Gate, a woman concluded that "Americans could go back in time with this president."

A few believed that a Trump presidency would lead to World War III.

He has some supporters in Russia and Israel

CNN talked to dozens of everyday people in a range of places: London, Berlin, Moscow, Cairo, Jerusalem, Jakarta and Hong Kong. Not many were Trump fans. But we did find a few -- and they were in just two places.

"He's not quiet, and this is what we need. Someone who will do something," an Israeli man told us from the country's capital. "I welcome the idea" another Jerusalem citizen said.

More than 3,000 miles away, we found supporters on the frigid streets of Russia's capital.

"Donald Trump is more pragmatic because he's a businessman" a Moscow man told CNN, adding that he thinks U.S.-Russia relations would get better if Trump was president. "Trump might change the attitude of Americans towards Russia" echoed another Russian.

Donald Trump is ...

We asked people to finish that sentence. People overwhelmingly said "businessman." "Rich man" and "entertainer" were used a lot, too.

Some people went further.

"Donald Trump is a great businessman, a great speaker -- a motivational speaker -- and a great reality TV star, but by no means a great politician," Jeremy Starr Lam in Hong Kong said. Several words people used are not fit for print.

And while his two supporters in Jerusalem both described Trump as "nice," others just don't know what to think. Some shrugged or winced. A London woman thought about it and simply said: "I'm at a loss for words."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/17/politics/world-reacts-donald-trump/index.html

 

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  posted on 3/17/2016 at 04:23 PM
Yes, Trump Said Bush ‘Lied’

By Eugene Kiely
Posted on March 17, 2016

Donald Trump on Fox News denied that he ever accused President George W. Bush of lying about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. “I didn’t say lie,” Trump said. “I said he may have lied.” That’s false. Trump at least twice — most recently in a debate last month — said Bush “lied.”

Bill O’Reilly, host of Fox News’ “The O’Reilly Factor,” told Trump (4:06 mark) that he disagreed with Trump on Bush’s motives for invading Iraq in 2003. “I disagree with you vehemently about George Bush, the younger, lying on purpose to get us into a war with Iraq,” O’Reilly said. Trump denied he called Bush a liar.

But Trump did say Bush lied, and on more than one occasion.

In the Feb. 13 debate in South Carolina, debate moderator John Dickerson asked Trump about an October 2008 interview in which Trump said it would have been a “wonderful thing” if Democratic Rep. Nancy Pelosi tried to impeach Bush because he lied about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. Asked if he still believes that Bush should have been impeached, Trump called the Iraq war a “big fat mistake.” Pressed again for an answer, Trump went on to say, “They lied.”

As for his 2008 comments, Trump said of Bush in an interview with CNN, “He lied. He got us into the war with lies.” Wolf Blitzer, host of CNN’s “The Situation Room,” pushed back, saying Bush administration officials argue that the intelligence they received was wrong — not that they lied. “I don’t believe that,” Trump responded.

Here is Trump’s exchange with Blitzer, who asked Trump to “grade” public officials:

Blitzer, Oct. 15, 2008: Nancy Pelosi, the speaker?

Trump: Well, you know, when she first got in and was named speaker, I met her. And I’m very impressed by her. I think she’s a very impressive person. I like her a lot. But I was surprised that she didn’t do more in terms of Bush and going after Bush. It was almost — it just seemed like she was going to really look to impeach Bush and get him out of office, which, personally, I think would have been a wonderful thing.

Blitzer: Impeaching him?

Trump: Absolutely, for the war, for the war.

Blitzer: Because of the conduct of the war.

Trump: Well, he lied. He got us into the war with lies. And, I mean, look at the trouble Bill Clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant. And they tried to impeach him, which was nonsense. And, yet, Bush got us into this horrible war with lies, by lying, by saying they had weapons of mass destruction, by saying all sorts of things that turned out not to be true.

(CROSSTALK)

Blitzer: Their argument is, they weren’t lying, that that was the intelligence that he was presented, and it was not as if he was just lying about it.

Trump: I don’t believe that.

Blitzer: You believe that it was a deliberate lie?

Trump: I don’t believe it. And I don’t think you believe it either, Wolf. You are a very, very intelligent young man. I don’t think you believe it either.


Trump has every right to change his mind, but he can’t change what he said. And he did say Bush lied.

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/yes-trump-said-bush-lied/




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  posted on 3/17/2016 at 04:31 PM
Voters are dumping the Democratic Party in massive numbers. The DNC and their lapdogs in the liberal media are freaking out:

Democrats beware: Donald Trump is finding success well outside the Republican fringe

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0316-mcmanus-trump-rubio-florida -20160316-column.html

 

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  posted on 3/17/2016 at 04:39 PM
On thing is for sure, Trump is proving that there are a lot of low info voters out there (as the article mule just posted points out).

 

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  posted on 3/17/2016 at 04:43 PM
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Voters are dumping the Democratic Party in massive numbers. The DNC and their lapdogs in the liberal media are freaking out:

Democrats beware: Donald Trump is finding success well outside the Republican fringe

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0316-mcmanus-trump-rubio-florida -20160316-column.html



Yet Trump is behind Clinton in every single poll, even the ones by the right-wing polling organizations. Trump is a gift to the Democratic party. He will hand the presidency to Clinton, give the Democrats something to rally around, and will end up fracturing the Republican party.

 

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  posted on 3/17/2016 at 05:02 PM
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Voters are dumping the Democratic Party in massive numbers. The DNC and their lapdogs in the liberal media are freaking out:

Democrats beware: Donald Trump is finding success well outside the Republican fringe

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0316-mcmanus-trump-rubio-florida -20160316-column.html



Yet Trump is behind Clinton in every single poll, even the ones by the right-wing polling organizations. Trump is a gift to the Democratic party. He will hand the presidency to Clinton, give the Democrats something to rally around, and will end up fracturing the Republican party.

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There are no creditable national polls at this point in the election cycle so your assumption is crap.

"fracturing the Republican party" - just more left-wing crap.
Voting is up 67% on the Republican primaries and most of those votes are going to Donald trump.

Ha ha.



 

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  posted on 3/17/2016 at 05:14 PM
quote:
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Voters are dumping the Democratic Party in massive numbers. The DNC and their lapdogs in the liberal media are freaking out:

Democrats beware: Donald Trump is finding success well outside the Republican fringe

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0316-mcmanus-trump-rubio-florida -20160316-column.html



Yet Trump is behind Clinton in every single poll, even the ones by the right-wing polling organizations. Trump is a gift to the Democratic party. He will hand the presidency to Clinton, give the Democrats something to rally around, and will end up fracturing the Republican party.

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There are no creditable national polls at this point in the election cycle so your assumption is crap.

"fracturing the Republican party" - just more left-wing crap.
Voting is up 67% on the Republican primaries and most of those votes are going to Donald trump.

Ha ha.





Trump hasn't gotten 50% of the vote in a single state. That means that not even half of the voters in his own party like him. Sorry, he's not going to win.

Headlines on the Foxnews.com website - Republicans taking sides amid specter of third party talk. Lots of articles on Fox News website about contested convention. Despite what you stated, I have seen nothing indicating any Democrat freaking out. It is only the Republicans freaking out and desperately finding a way to save this election in November. The Republicans no longer know who they are. Are they the traditional republicans? Are they the tea party? Are they the Christian values voters? Or are they the angry Trump voters that are voting for Trump because they are angry and no other reason? These are all different Republicans, and there isn't a single Republican candidate that will attract all of them. The Republicans may be turning up in the primaries trying beyond hope that their vision of the Republican party will win, mostly because they won't be able to support the other visions of their party. This is why the turnout in the primaries doesn't matter.

[Edited on 3/17/2016 by 2112]

 

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  posted on 3/17/2016 at 06:05 PM
quote:
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Voters are dumping the Democratic Party in massive numbers. The DNC and their lapdogs in the liberal media are freaking out:

Democrats beware: Donald Trump is finding success well outside the Republican fringe

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0316-mcmanus-trump-rubio-florida -20160316-column.html



Yet Trump is behind Clinton in every single poll, even the ones by the right-wing polling organizations. Trump is a gift to the Democratic party. He will hand the presidency to Clinton, give the Democrats something to rally around, and will end up fracturing the Republican party.

________________________________________________________________________

There are no creditable national polls at this point in the election cycle so your assumption is crap.

"fracturing the Republican party" - just more left-wing crap.
Voting is up 67% on the Republican primaries and most of those votes are going to Donald trump.

Ha ha.





Trump hasn't gotten 50% of the vote in a single state. That means that not even half of the voters in his own party like him. Sorry, he's not going to win.

Headlines on the Foxnews.com website - Republicans taking sides amid specter of third party talk. Lots of articles on Fox News website about contested convention. Despite what you stated, I have seen nothing indicating any Democrat freaking out. It is only the Republicans freaking out and desperately finding a way to save this election in November. The Republicans no longer know who they are. Are they the traditional republicans? Are they the tea party? Are they the Christian values voters? Or are they the angry Trump voters that are voting for Trump because they are angry and no other reason? These are all different Republicans, and there isn't a single Republican candidate that will attract all of them. The Republicans may be turning up in the primaries trying beyond hope that their vision of the Republican party will win, mostly because they won't be able to support the other visions of their party. This is why the turnout in the primaries doesn't matter.

[Edited on 3/17/2016 by 2112]

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"Trump hasn't gotten 50% of the vote in a single state. That means that not even half of the voters in his own party like him"

A nonsense statement. When you have many candidates the votes get spread out but as they have dropped out Trumps take of the votes has steadily climbed.



 

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  posted on 3/17/2016 at 06:10 PM
quote:
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Voters are dumping the Democratic Party in massive numbers. The DNC and their lapdogs in the liberal media are freaking out:

Democrats beware: Donald Trump is finding success well outside the Republican fringe

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0316-mcmanus-trump-rubio-florida -20160316-column.html



Yet Trump is behind Clinton in every single poll, even the ones by the right-wing polling organizations. Trump is a gift to the Democratic party. He will hand the presidency to Clinton, give the Democrats something to rally around, and will end up fracturing the Republican party.

________________________________________________________________________

There are no creditable national polls at this point in the election cycle so your assumption is crap.

"fracturing the Republican party" - just more left-wing crap.
Voting is up 67% on the Republican primaries and most of those votes are going to Donald trump.

Ha ha.





Trump hasn't gotten 50% of the vote in a single state. That means that not even half of the voters in his own party like him. Sorry, he's not going to win.

Headlines on the Foxnews.com website - Republicans taking sides amid specter of third party talk. Lots of articles on Fox News website about contested convention. Despite what you stated, I have seen nothing indicating any Democrat freaking out. It is only the Republicans freaking out and desperately finding a way to save this election in November. The Republicans no longer know who they are. Are they the traditional republicans? Are they the tea party? Are they the Christian values voters? Or are they the angry Trump voters that are voting for Trump because they are angry and no other reason? These are all different Republicans, and there isn't a single Republican candidate that will attract all of them. The Republicans may be turning up in the primaries trying beyond hope that their vision of the Republican party will win, mostly because they won't be able to support the other visions of their party. This is why the turnout in the primaries doesn't matter.

[Edited on 3/17/2016 by 2112]

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"Trump hasn't gotten 50% of the vote in a single state. That means that not even half of the voters in his own party like him"

A nonsense statement. When you have many candidates the votes get spread out but as they have dropped out Trumps take of the votes has steadily climbed.





Maybe, but the fact that he hasn't gotten 50% of the vote in any primary. And with the HUUUUUUGE turnout that you love to talk about, there are a lot of voters who voted against him.

 

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  posted on 3/17/2016 at 08:46 PM
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Or are they the angry Trump voters that are voting for Trump because they are angry and no other reason?


Are you angry? Shouldn't we all be angry?

I'm angry about interventionist conflicts and regime change policy around the world by Republican and Democrat administrations. Is Hillary going to change that? I'm angry that foreign countries and corporations are getting rich off our market at the expense of the US worker. Is Hillary going to change that?

Seems that Americans can be angry without having to identify with being a D or an R and establishment candidates, be it Clinton or Kasich are just going to bring us more of the same.

By the way, Thom Hartman says be careful what you wish for as he remembers back to 1980 and thinking that Regan was a gift for the Democrat party. Elections can be unpredictable.

 

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  posted on 3/17/2016 at 10:16 PM
quote:
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Voters are dumping the Democratic Party in massive numbers. The DNC and their lapdogs in the liberal media are freaking out:

Democrats beware: Donald Trump is finding success well outside the Republican fringe

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0316-mcmanus-trump-rubio-florida -20160316-column.html



Yet Trump is behind Clinton in every single poll, even the ones by the right-wing polling organizations. Trump is a gift to the Democratic party. He will hand the presidency to Clinton, give the Democrats something to rally around, and will end up fracturing the Republican party.

________________________________________________________________________

There are no creditable national polls at this point in the election cycle so your assumption is crap.

"fracturing the Republican party" - just more left-wing crap.
Voting is up 67% on the Republican primaries and most of those votes are going to Donald trump.

Ha ha.





Trump hasn't gotten 50% of the vote in a single state. That means that not even half of the voters in his own party like him. Sorry, he's not going to win.

Headlines on the Foxnews.com website - Republicans taking sides amid specter of third party talk. Lots of articles on Fox News website about contested convention. Despite what you stated, I have seen nothing indicating any Democrat freaking out. It is only the Republicans freaking out and desperately finding a way to save this election in November. The Republicans no longer know who they are. Are they the traditional republicans? Are they the tea party? Are they the Christian values voters? Or are they the angry Trump voters that are voting for Trump because they are angry and no other reason? These are all different Republicans, and there isn't a single Republican candidate that will attract all of them. The Republicans may be turning up in the primaries trying beyond hope that their vision of the Republican party will win, mostly because they won't be able to support the other visions of their party. This is why the turnout in the primaries doesn't matter.

[Edited on 3/17/2016 by 2112]

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"Trump hasn't gotten 50% of the vote in a single state. That means that not even half of the voters in his own party like him"

A nonsense statement. When you have many candidates the votes get spread out but as they have dropped out Trumps take of the votes has steadily climbed.





Maybe, but the fact that he hasn't gotten 50% of the vote in any primary. And with the HUUUUUUGE turnout that you love to talk about, there are a lot of voters who voted against him.


I voted for Cruz in the primary so Hillary will get my vote in November. Want to buy some swampland?

 

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  posted on 3/21/2016 at 06:40 PM
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Or are they the angry Trump voters that are voting for Trump because they are angry and no other reason?


Are you angry? Shouldn't we all be angry?

I'm angry about interventionist conflicts and regime change policy around the world by Republican and Democrat administrations. Is Hillary going to change that? I'm angry that foreign countries and corporations are getting rich off our market at the expense of the US worker. Is Hillary going to change that?

Seems that Americans can be angry without having to identify with being a D or an R and establishment candidates, be it Clinton or Kasich are just going to bring us more of the same.

By the way, Thom Hartman says be careful what you wish for as he remembers back to 1980 and thinking that Regan was a gift for the Democrat party. Elections can be unpredictable.




Trump is the only candidate who does not want us involved in the affairs of the Middle East the way we have been under the former regimes. Hillary is a veteran of the network of nationbuilders. That's what they believe they are doing, helping to build nations and bring them up to a better standard of living. Opponents will tell you, they do not want outsiders coming there toppling their regimes and installing "puppet governments", yet Hillary and Cruz and all the rest of them will tell you we need our "allied partners" which is politico speak for foreign allied nations. Trump is opposed to continue this 'nation building' policy.

On one issue they are right. Saudi has kept the price of oil reasonable. Our prices going up recently is because the US cut it's own output resulting in us being hosed at the pump. Then tell you that they will try to lessen and end our dependence on foreign oil, but it's NOT THE SAUDIS who are screwing us. We are being screwed by our own country. Like back in the days when Exxon made 400% profit and we paid $3.47 at the pump and they just blamed the Saudis.

The deal has been we help provide military support to keep their regime in power and stable and they trade in petrodollars (US dollars), selling oil in US dollars to help our economy and they sell us oil at reasonable prices.

Trumps opponents are worried about what will happen with the world financial system if he assumes power. It is all interconnected with the oil and trade deals. Even the Iranians know this, but they are more focused on Israel and their hatred of them.

"Because he is a threat to the satanic Zionist conspiracy, he is also endangered as was JFK,” said Steven D. Kelley, a former CIA and NSA contractor."JFK directly attacked the CIA, the Federal Reserve (US central bank) and Israel’s nuclear program; this is why he was assassinated,” Kelley told Press TV on Monday."

NOTE: The people of Israel have a right to exist, but the things their govt. has been doing show what their intent is, which is to deny the Palestinians the right to exist. Both sides are saying the other should not exist, and if you go back in the Bible it tells you of this problem thousands of years ago and how it was solved then. God did not want two states, he wanted one where they all lived in peace. He specifically says the land will never be divided again, or be two separate states. yet mankind chooses to ignore what was handed down, including denying ancestral lands to the original tribes people, like the Afghans who before they were Afghans were from the tribes of Benjamin and Bani Israel before they migrated.

JFK was going to get rid of the Federal Reserve Bank and announce it to the American people, two weeks before be was able to do that, he was assassinated. That is how big business and big government handle anyone challenging their status, position and wealth. Trump must have brass cajones to think he can change it.

http://presstv.ir/Detail/2016/03/21/456910/Steven-D-Kelley







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  posted on 3/21/2016 at 06:51 PM
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Trump is the only candidate who does not want us involved in the affairs of the Middle East the way we have been under the former regimes.

Two things wrong here: 1) you are forgetting about Bernie, and 2) in this country we refer to them as administrations, not regimes.

 

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Question for the Trump supporters regarding his position on illegal Mexican immigration: Rather than build the wall, would you support a cheaper solution that I imagine would have a greater effect - to simply hold American business owners accountable for their contributions to this problem? If they simply did not hire undocumented workers, then it might reduce their motivation for coming. They all risk their lives crossing the desert because they know they can find work. His rhetoric to put all the blame on the illegals might feel good, but it doesn't address the real problem, nor create a solution. For every one of those millions of illegals mooching of our country and not paying taxes, there is also an American business owner enabling it all.

I still can't fathom how simple-minded his supporters are. They are going to give their vote to a guy only because he makes them feel good, even though they might realize he won't be able to achieve any of what he is saying. They know he won't be able to do it, but they want to reward him just for saying what they want to say, but can't. Amazing.

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Trump is the only candidate who does not want us involved in the affairs of the Middle East the way we have been under the former regimes.

Two things wrong here: 1) you are forgetting about Bernie, and 2) in this country we refer to them as administrations, not regimes.


Bernie cannot win against Clinton. She has more money, she sounds very credible, knowledgeable and compassionate and experienced. What is the difference between regime or administration? Do you still think we have any rights when laws are passed that violate our Constitution and they are implemented.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2016 at 06:03 PM
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Question for the Trump supporters regarding his position on illegal Mexican immigration: Rather than build the wall, would you support a cheaper solution that I imagine would have a greater effect - to simply hold American business owners accountable for their contributions to this problem? If they simply did not hire undocumented workers, then it might reduce their motivation for coming. They all risk their lives crossing the desert because they know they can find work. His rhetoric to put all the blame on the illegals might feel good, but it doesn't address the real problem, nor create a solution. For every one of those millions of illegals mooching of our country and not paying taxes, there is also an American business owner enabling it all.

I still can't fathom how simple-minded his supporters are. They are going to give their vote to a guy only because he makes them feel good, even though they might realize he won't be able to achieve any of what he is saying. They know he won't be able to do it, but they want to reward him just for saying what they want to say, but can't. Amazing.

[Edited on 3/23/2016 by BoytonBrother]


You have a good point that employers who hire illegals should be penalized, but greed being what it is, they can probably just bribe people so that they are not prosecuted. Bribes are done in many ways, contribute to a politicians campaign re-election fund etc. etc. Yes they are enablers, they have no intention to stop, they will just find ways around it.

If we build the wall, that will stop a large portion of it. As for costs, I think unemployed veterans etc. would volunteer to help build it if there were no funds to to do it, but Trump said he will put import taxes on products coming thru the border to finance it. He is a businessman, he will get it done.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2016 at 07:09 PM
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Question for the Trump supporters regarding his position on illegal Mexican immigration: Rather than build the wall, would you support a cheaper solution that I imagine would have a greater effect - to simply hold American business owners accountable for their contributions to this problem? If they simply did not hire undocumented workers, then it might reduce their motivation for coming. They all risk their lives crossing the desert because they know they can find work. His rhetoric to put all the blame on the illegals might feel good, but it doesn't address the real problem, nor create a solution. For every one of those millions of illegals mooching of our country and not paying taxes, there is also an American business owner enabling it all.

I still can't fathom how simple-minded his supporters are. They are going to give their vote to a guy only because he makes them feel good, even though they might realize he won't be able to achieve any of what he is saying. They know he won't be able to do it, but they want to reward him just for saying what they want to say, but can't. Amazing.

[Edited on 3/23/2016 by BoytonBrother]


In your last paragraph you state, "They know he won't be able to do it, but they want to reward him just for saying what they want to say, but can't. Amazing. "

Point - You may be giving them more credit than is due. I've seen Trump supporters interviewed, and if one listens to them talk, you get the sense that they believe whatever drivel comes out of his foul mouth...no matter how ridiculous and far-fetched his statements & ideas are.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2016 at 09:21 PM
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Question for the Trump supporters regarding his position on illegal Mexican immigration: Rather than build the wall, would you support a cheaper solution that I imagine would have a greater effect - to simply hold American business owners accountable for their contributions to this problem? If they simply did not hire undocumented workers, then it might reduce their motivation for coming. They all risk their lives crossing the desert because they know they can find work. His rhetoric to put all the blame on the illegals might feel good, but it doesn't address the real problem, nor create a solution. For every one of those millions of illegals mooching of our country and not paying taxes, there is also an American business owner enabling it all.

I still can't fathom how simple-minded his supporters are. They are going to give their vote to a guy only because he makes them feel good, even though they might realize he won't be able to achieve any of what he is saying. They know he won't be able to do it, but they want to reward him just for saying what they want to say, but can't. Amazing.

[Edited on 3/23/2016 by BoytonBrother]


Whether or not I support Trump is yet to be determined. What you think of me if I do makes no difference.

I would support the strongest penalties possible for employers that hire illegal immigrants, even jail.

I agree, dry up the work that people come for. There should be a continued guest worker program, I do believe there are reasonable voices stating the necessity of such. But businesses hiring illegal immigrants without a guest worker visa should must certainly be punished. We have to also then make sure they have the proper tools to property check the employment applicants. Make that be e-verify? Groups on both sides of the aisle do not want e-verify to be mandated on employers. I'm fine with making e-verify the law of the land. If somebody is hired due to an error in the e-verify system then that employer should not suffer any consequences.

The wall will help. Alot of illegal immigrants are visa overstays. And ofcourse there are tunnels and people are smuggled in, and The wall along the entire stretch should be built. If it makes it more difficult for illegal immigrants to come here then it will have some impact. If it slows people trying to get across then hopefully more will be caught (and not released).

Some of them mooch off the system. Some do pay taxes, if having a false social security numbers, they actually pay into social security and federal witholdings taxes. And ofcourse they pay sales taxes on things they buy. Many are paid under the table of course. I believe the burden on the nation is greater than the minimal taxes they might pay. And if there are jobs that Americans will not do, beyond the impact of a reasonable and orderly guest worker program, than the wages for those jobs will have to increase to attract Americans to do the work. Perhaps instead of paying Americans not to work on welfare programs, that money can be used to pay for transportation or temporary relocation program where people who can't find work can be more easily placed near employers that need workers.

[Edited on 3/24/2016 by nebish]

 

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  posted on 3/23/2016 at 09:42 PM
Trump is not anti-America, that alone will be an improvement.
 

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Trump is not anti-America, that alone will be an improvement.

Trump is the most anti-American candidate in the race and he doesn't even know it, and neither do most of his followers.




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  posted on 3/24/2016 at 09:26 AM
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Trump is not anti-America, that alone will be an improvement.

Trump is the most anti-American candidate in the race and he doesn't even know it, and neither do most of his followers.

That is exactly right. He wants to limit access to our country based on religion. He wants to change libel laws to roll back freedom of the press. How is any of that in line with American values? He leads, not by establishing a clear vision and setting a path to achieve that vision, but by appealing to impulsive emotions of feckless followers. If Trump represents America then American has lost her soul.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2016 at 10:42 AM
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Trump is not anti-America, that alone will be an improvement.

Trump is the most anti-American candidate in the race and he doesn't even know it, and neither do most of his followers.

That is exactly right. He wants to limit access to our country based on religion. He wants to change libel laws to roll back freedom of the press. How is any of that in line with American values? He leads, not by establishing a clear vision and setting a path to achieve that vision, but by appealing to impulsive emotions of feckless followers. If Trump represents America then American has lost her soul.

It's probably not accurate (or nice) to call Trump's followers feckless and impulsive. Trump's been out there doing his thing forever now. Most people know exactly what and who they are voting for. It may not be your version of America, but for people like alloak41 and muleman Donald Trump is exactly what this country needs. Obama bad, Donald Trump good.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/270156-sc-exit-poll- 75-percent-agree-with-trumps-muslim-ban

The proof is in the polling.


Actually Obama is not on the ticket and in national polls both Clinton and Sanders beat Trump. You cited a poll of Republicans in South Carolina and 75% agree with Trump's muslim ban. This 75% would also probably agree that bringing back slavery is a good idea and so the proof that these people are hardly enlightened has been in the pudding for a long time. Lucky for us that this version of America will never reach fruition.

 

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Trump is not anti-America, that alone will be an improvement.

Trump is the most anti-American candidate in the race and he doesn't even know it, and neither do most of his followers.

That is exactly right. He wants to limit access to our country based on religion. He wants to change libel laws to roll back freedom of the press. How is any of that in line with American values? He leads, not by establishing a clear vision and setting a path to achieve that vision, but by appealing to impulsive emotions of feckless followers. If Trump represents America then American has lost her soul.

It's probably not accurate (or nice) to call Trump's followers feckless and impulsive. Trump's been out there doing his thing forever now. Most people know exactly what and who they are voting for. It may not be your version of America, but for people like alloak41 and muleman Donald Trump is exactly what this country needs. Obama bad, Donald Trump good.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/270156-sc-exit-poll- 75-percent-agree-with-trumps-muslim-ban

The proof is in the polling.

Speaking of polling, FOX News poll out yesterday shows Trump loses to Hillary while Kasich and and Cruz both beat her, yet Trump is still the GOP front runner. Go figure.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/23/fox-news-poll-cruz-kasich-ahead- clinton-in-2016-hypothetical-matchups.html


 

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