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  posted on 3/12/2016 at 12:44 PM
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i believe free trade has benefited more americans than it has hurt.


So wages have been going up? Americans have more job opportunities? Income inequality has been going down? Trade deficits don't matter and neither do budget deficits? And parents still feel their kids will be better off than they are?

I'd like to live in the America you think you are seeing.

The devastating effects of trade deals that favor foreign nations and workers at the expense of our nation and our workers just is not a problem from where you stand.


 

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  posted on 3/12/2016 at 01:41 PM
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"dysfunctional" "broken" " filled with anger" "angry" "hateful"


Typical. This is how the left classifies anyone who disagrees with their views, because, well they are either just bigots, racists, Homophobic & ignorant. Be like us, the tolerant ones, or else......

Yep, this must be the only answer.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2016 at 02:45 PM
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Report: 46,000 Pa. Democrats Become Republicans Due To Trump

March 10, 2016 11:08 AM

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) Nearly 46,000 Pennsylvania Democrats have switched to Republicans since the beginning of the year.

According to Penn Live, some experts attribute the mass exodus to Donald Trump.

Theres even a title for the movement. Its called Ditch and Switch and calls for lifelong Democrats to abandon the party, register Republican, and help ensure Trumps place in the general election.

Professor of Public Affairs at Franklin and Marshall College , Dr. G. Terry Madonna, tells the paper he has a theory behind the switch.

With the increase in support in exit polls for Trump among working class, blue-collar Democrats, it is my belief that these are people who fall into that genre, said Madonna.
The numbers are similar in other states as well.

The paper says in Massachusetts, as many as 20,000 Democrats have gone from blue-to-red this year with Trump cited as a primary reason. And in Ohio, as many as 1,000 blue collar workers have promised to switch parties and vote for Trump.

Numbers show that some Republicans are also switching to the Democratic party, but nowhere near the numbers that are switching to Republican.

Records show that the party changes seen in the first two months of 2016 are twice those seen in all of 2013.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/03/10/report-46000-pa-democrats-become- republicans-due-to-trump/

Ohio's 'dirty little secret': blue-collar Democrats for Trump
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-ohio-insight-idUSMTZSA PEC3ATLGUM9




We ought to do that in New York.

 

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will not even start with all the anomalies, or coincidences. Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt the steel, thermite was used, first responders saw it. People in the bldgs., first responders and others, felt the bombs going off in the bldgs. etc. etc.




Whoever said the metal melted? It didn't it was simply hot enough to collapse under the weight of the building over it. And what has this got to do with Trump? You are odd.

BTW, Trump has never said what any of his plans were because everything he says is just rhetoric. But after reading the quote above, I can see that you are very gullible.


Whoever said the molten metal melted? First responders saw it when they were there, I saw it in documentaries, and it is probably documented also.

http://www1.ae911truth.org/en/affiliate-marketing-program/899-what-was-the- molten-metal-seen-pouring-out-of-the-south-tower-minutes-before-its-collaps e-steel-and-iron-or-aluminum-andor-lead.html

The Official Fire-Based Hypothesis Cannot Account for the Red-Hot Steel Beams and Pools of Molten Metal Seen During the First Weeks of Clean-up

Numerous professionals have testified that they saw "molten steel" beneath the Ground Zero rubble.

See photos on the webpage and links.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2016 at 05:40 PM
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will not even start with all the anomalies, or coincidences. Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt the steel, thermite was used, first responders saw it. People in the bldgs., first responders and others, felt the bombs going off in the bldgs. etc. etc.




Whoever said the metal melted? It didn't it was simply hot enough to collapse under the weight of the building over it. And what has this got to do with Trump? You are odd.

BTW, Trump has never said what any of his plans were because everything he says is just rhetoric. But after reading the quote above, I can see that you are very gullible.


Whoever said the molten metal melted? First responders saw it when they were there, I saw it in documentaries, and it is probably documented also.

http://www1.ae911truth.org/en/affiliate-marketing-program/899-what-was-the- molten-metal-seen-pouring-out-of-the-south-tower-minutes-before-its-collaps e-steel-and-iron-or-aluminum-andor-lead.html

The Official Fire-Based Hypothesis Cannot Account for the Red-Hot Steel Beams and Pools of Molten Metal Seen During the First Weeks of Clean-up

Numerous professionals have testified that they saw "molten steel" beneath the Ground Zero rubble.

See photos on the webpage and links.



There are so many holes in that piece that it would be a waste of time to cover them. Just to give you one example, the piece claims that the only aluminum would have been from the plane. Not true. When the building was built, it was built with all floors open, no individual offices. when the floors were partitioned into rooms, aluminum was used for the studs that the wallboard was nailed to. Plus, seeing as the WTC was built in the early 70's, the electrical wiring in the building may very well have aluminum.

It is easy to see why you support Trump. You are extremely gullible.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2016 at 07:56 PM
Just another thought on Mr. Trump. I am currently sitting at my home desk, dancing around the the net, with CNN on the TV in the other room. They are "Covering" an upcoming speaking engagement by the aforementioned "candidate" like he is a visiting dignitary from another planet.......(hitting the return button, this is on FOX & MSNBC as well)....so as CNN was going to a commercial, they had a camera outside the event venue focused on the people in line and gheesh, not the best dressed lot. Watching this, one can not help but feel that the media is almost hoping for violence.......ratings baby. So I was thinking, if success in any campaign, for any office is dependent on mobilization and the ability to appeal to one's base......What percentage of "Middle America" and for lack of a better term "lower class" voters is he sending to the polls?...What % of this country do "they" account for? The scary part to me is that he is speaking to a larger group of new listeners every day......A possible, true silent majority.....

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Not one of the liberals here has any idea why Republican voters a coming out in record setting numbers and the number of votes for democrats is way down.


Here's an idea. Our country has been getting more and more dysfunctional over the past few decades. More and more families are broken and filled with anger with no supportive outlet to deal with it. Those who are angry, hateful, and dysfunctional are coming out in droves to vote for Trump - it is their supportive outlet they have been yearning for. As for the low voter turnout for Democrats, if that's even true, I can only speak for myself when I say that I have no interest in voting because I believe nothing will get done no matter who is in office due to the childish corruption in Washington. How is that?


Sad but true. I believe we're at a point where gov't is just gov't. I don't believe there is anyone in either party that can really make significant differences. Minor changes...yes. The followers of Trump are delusional if they think he will any different...maybe more of a loud mouth as we see examples of that every day from him. However, he will be forced to work within a system that even he can't control. He'd also have to work with a Republican Congress, and he's not a Republican. "The great deal maker" will find that brokering deals with Congress and the world are not as oversimplified as he touts in his whip up the anger rallies.



Maybe a non-politician will finally get a chance. It's a mistake to automatically assume Trump would do a poor job. Give him a chance. If he fails, vote him out in four. We'll survive.

 

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Not one of the liberals here has any idea why Republican voters a coming out in record setting numbers and the number of votes for democrats is way down.


Here's an idea. Our country has been getting more and more dysfunctional over the past few decades. More and more families are broken and filled with anger with no supportive outlet to deal with it. Those who are angry, hateful, and dysfunctional are coming out in droves to vote for Trump - it is their supportive outlet they have been yearning for. As for the low voter turnout for Democrats, if that's even true, I can only speak for myself when I say that I have no interest in voting because I believe nothing will get done no matter who is in office due to the childish corruption in Washington. How is that?


Sad but true. I believe we're at a point where gov't is just gov't. I don't believe there is anyone in either party that can really make significant differences. Minor changes...yes. The followers of Trump are delusional if they think he will any different...maybe more of a loud mouth as we see examples of that every day from him. However, he will be forced to work within a system that even he can't control. He'd also have to work with a Republican Congress, and he's not a Republican. "The great deal maker" will find that brokering deals with Congress and the world are not as oversimplified as he touts in his whip up the anger rallies.



Maybe a non-politician will finally get a chance. It's a mistake to automatically assume Trump would do a poor job. Give him a chance. If he fails, vote him out in four. We'll survive.


A non-politician would be welcomed. Trump, the non-politician would be a disaster. Haven't you seen the vitriol he spews at his rallies, speeches, and in debates? He has taken serious discussion to an all time low. The garbage that comes out of his mouth is repulsive and dangerous.

Will you vote for him, alloak?

 

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  posted on 3/13/2016 at 04:36 AM
But I thought Obama didn't have any experience, and was just a community organizer? Time to make America dysfunctional again I guess. One would think we'd learn something from Obama - that a polarizing figure leads to gridlock. Have Trump supporters learned anything? Probably not. Just as Obama was blocked everywhere he turned, so will Trump. We need a President who can actually get things done. Sadly, the ones who can make a positive difference won't stand a chance in the polls.
 

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  posted on 3/13/2016 at 12:53 PM
Hell will freeze over before I vote for Richie rich the stubby fingered fat boy.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2016 at 08:24 AM
The Republican National Committees rulemakers will meet a week before the Convention, and, though they dont have absolute discretionthe delegates must approve key rule changesthey may try to make winning harder for Trump. There are risks in that, given that many of Trumps supporters already believe that the system is rigged. The G.O.P. may have to decide what scares it more: losing without Trump or winning with him.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/03/21/donald-trump-and-contested-con ventions?mbid=gnep&intcid=gnep&google_editors_picks=true

 

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Amazing that this guy continues to spew lie after lie without any compunction whatsoever and people just lap it up...


Donald Trump said that a Pew Research Center survey found that among the world’s Muslims, “27 percent, could be 35 percent, would go to war” against the U.S. The Pew Research Center says it has conducted no survey that asks such a question, nor did experts we consulted know of any such survey. One expert we talked to called Trump’s claim “nonsense.” Another told us it had “no scientific basis.”

Trump’s statement came when “Fox News Sunday” host Chris Wallace asked Trump about his blanket statement during a March 9 interview on CNN that “Islam hates us.” (Trump doubled down on that statement during the Republican debate the following night.)

On “Fox News Sunday,” Wallace said that among the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, “according to the best experts, think tanks around the world, they say at most, 100,000 people are fighting for jihadist causes. That’s less than — it’s a tiny fraction of 1 percent.”

Trump said Wallace’s figure was “about as wrong as you can get” and that “27 percent, could be 35 percent, would go to war.” Trump cited Pew as his source...

Trump, March 13: You’re saying that out of 1.5 billion, 100,000, right — let me tell you, whoever did that survey was about as wrong as you can get. It’s 27 percent, could be 35 percent, would go to war, would — the hatred is tremendous, Chris.

Wallace: … Wait, wait, you’re saying 250 — you’re saying 250 — 300 million Muslims would go to war against us?

Trump: Why don’t you take a look at the Pew poll that came out very recently or fairly recently, where I think the number — I mean, I could be corrected, it’s whatever it is — but it’s something like 27 percent are, you know, really very militant about going after things.

And you’ll have to look at it. They did a very strong study. And let’s see what it says. But it’s a very significant number. It’s not 100,000 people, I can tell you that. It’s a ridiculous number.

But, look, there’s something going on, Chris, whether you like it or not. It would be easier for me to say, “Oh, no, everybody loves us.” But there’s something going on. There’s a big problem. And radical Islamic terrorism is taking place all over the world.


http://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/trumps-false-muslim-claim/

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  posted on 3/16/2016 at 02:59 PM
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Amazing that this guy continues to spew lie after lie without any compunction whatsoever and people just lap it up...


Donald Trump said that a Pew Research Center survey found that among the world’s Muslims, “27 percent, could be 35 percent, would go to war” against the U.S. The Pew Research Center says it has conducted no survey that asks such a question, nor did experts we consulted know of any such survey. One expert we talked to called Trump’s claim “nonsense.” Another told us it had “no scientific basis.”

Trump’s statement came when “Fox News Sunday” host Chris Wallace asked Trump about his blanket statement during a March 9 interview on CNN that “Islam hates us.” (Trump doubled down on that statement during the Republican debate the following night.)

On “Fox News Sunday,” Wallace said that among the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, “according to the best experts, think tanks around the world, they say at most, 100,000 people are fighting for jihadist causes. That’s less than — it’s a tiny fraction of 1 percent.”

Trump said Wallace’s figure was “about as wrong as you can get” and that “27 percent, could be 35 percent, would go to war.” Trump cited Pew as his source...

Trump, March 13: You’re saying that out of 1.5 billion, 100,000, right — let me tell you, whoever did that survey was about as wrong as you can get. It’s 27 percent, could be 35 percent, would go to war, would — the hatred is tremendous, Chris.

Wallace: … Wait, wait, you’re saying 250 — you’re saying 250 — 300 million Muslims would go to war against us?

Trump: Why don’t you take a look at the Pew poll that came out very recently or fairly recently, where I think the number — I mean, I could be corrected, it’s whatever it is — but it’s something like 27 percent are, you know, really very militant about going after things.

And you’ll have to look at it. They did a very strong study. And let’s see what it says. But it’s a very significant number. It’s not 100,000 people, I can tell you that. It’s a ridiculous number.

But, look, there’s something going on, Chris, whether you like it or not. It would be easier for me to say, “Oh, no, everybody loves us.” But there’s something going on. There’s a big problem. And radical Islamic terrorism is taking place all over the world.


http://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/trumps-false-muslim-claim/

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Trump is likely making some of these things up.

However, back when squatchtexas (was that his username), in the early 2000s, when there was lively debate around here about terrorism worldwide and who sympathizes with it or supports it, I do remember some Pew Research polling that asking Muslims about terror attacks and if they can be justified and if they support Bin Laden. I will look to see if I can find anything - I doubt that is what Trump is referring to because it was like 10 years ago; who knows what he is referring to. But I'm not willing to crucify him for saying Islam hastes us. There is an appreciable number of Muslims that do support violence against civilians and spreading jihad - let me see if I can back it up, I'll get back to you. While I doubt the question has ever been asked to some number of Muslim's if they hate us, but what if they did ask that question to some number burning the US flag or burning President Obama in effigy or chanting death to America in the streets somewhere? Is it a majority world wide, likely not. That has always been the problem with radical Islam is that the bad ones paint the picture for the whole religion.

But this is what Trump does. He takes something that there may be some truth to it, however then speaks in such broad terms with no specifics or links to where or why he feels this way that it gets easily disregarded. It's my major issue with him. Not that he says that Islam hates us, my issue is that he can't substantiate his position - which I'm pretty sure if he was more intelligent on the issue he could provide some data to back his position up.

 

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  posted on 3/16/2016 at 03:30 PM
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It's my major issue with him. Not that he says that Islam hates us, my issue is that he can't substantiate his position - which I'm pretty sure if he was more intelligent on the issue he could provide some data to back his position up.


I would hope that he would at least have a base intelligence to realize that a non-sentient entity cannot "hate" anyone.

 

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But this is what Trump does. He takes something that there may be some truth to it, however then speaks in such broad terms with no specifics or links to where or why he feels this way that it gets easily disregarded.

Sounds like you are soft peddling the fact that he flat out makes stuff up, i.e. LIES. All. The. Time.

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It's my major issue with him. Not that he says that Islam hates us, my issue is that he can't substantiate his position - which I'm pretty sure if he was more intelligent on the issue he could provide some data to back his position up.

Except that Islam doesn't hate us. That's made up so he CAN'T substantiate it, except with more made up stuff.



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  posted on 3/16/2016 at 03:37 PM
Kent Brockman: Mr. Simpson, how do you respond to the charges that petty vandalism such as graffiti is down eighty percent, while heavy sack beatings are up a shocking nine hundred percent?

Homer Simpson: Aw, you can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. Forty percent of all people know that.

Kent Brockman: I see. Well, what do you say to the accusation that your group has been causing more crimes than it's been preventing?

Homer Simpson: Oh, Kent, I'd be lying if I said my men weren't committing crimes.

Kent Brockman: (pause) Well, touché.

 

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But this is what Trump does. He takes something that there may be some truth to it, however then speaks in such broad terms with no specifics or links to where or why he feels this way that it gets easily disregarded.

Sounds like you are soft peddling the fact that he flat out makes stuff up, i.e. LIES. All. The. Time.

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It's my major issue with him. Not that he says that Islam hates us, my issue is that he can't substantiate his position - which I'm pretty sure if he was more intelligent on the issue he could provide some data to back his position up.

Except that Islam doesn't hate us. That's made up so he CAN'T substantiate it, except with more made up stuff.

For some reason I was just reminded of this guy. Anyone remember Rod Smart? I could have run for President this year and probably made a go of it.

 

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  posted on 3/16/2016 at 03:57 PM
Absolutely anyone can twist statistics to make any point they like.

The problem with Trump is that on some things he doesn't even twist the statistics when trying to make his point.

Islam itself can't do anything very true, it is like an inanimate object, this we know. But I think you know an expression like that has meaning towards the people believing and following Islam. Like saying Christianity hates abortion. Christianity can't hate abortion, but some, or even a majority of people within Christianity can. I mean I don't care if somebody wants to be a Christian and support killing babies, I really don't care, but it seems rather contradictory and it seems like a Christian should hate abortion.

Some might actually try to make the case that Islam hates 'us' based on passages in the Koran calling for jihad against nonbelievers and whatever. I don't really get to into what the Korean says just like I don't really get into what the bible says. However, some have tried to express this point through the years, maybe it is true there are interpretations in the Korean that justify terrorism - and if there are people who subscribe to that belief one could paint with a broad brush and say "the people in that religion hate us and our way of life" - it would be more accurate to say "the people in that religion who believe the radical view hate us and our way of life". But alot of people aren't so careful when they talk and we all use hyperbole to one extent or another.

So anyway, I think I may have found a poll I had previously seen. Again, I highly doubt this is what Trump is referring to, so he either made up what he said or he saw or read something that caused him to say what he said.

A 2005 pew research poll on various issues. Somebody could make the point that if 30.833% (averaged together 2005 results) of Muslims polled in 6 countries have confidence in Osama Bin Laden...it isn't a great leap to say those people also likely hate the USA. I think anyone would have to agree on that point. See table 3 here - http://www.pewglobal.org/2006/05/23/where-terrorism-finds-support-in-the-mu slim-world/

Now obviously you take Muslims in a certain part of the world and ask them a question like that you are going to get answers skewed one way and then when you come to a more western style country you are going to get answers skewed the other way, so the average would ofcourse come down.

It gets back to making statistics say whatever you want them to yes. If somebody has a point, try to substantiate the point. Trump does not do that. On the other hand if Ted Cruz is going to make a point I guarantee he is going to have some evidence to back himself up. Trump often has little.

I might be defending Trump, maybe because on some things he is pretty close to where I am. But for the record when given a chance to vote for him yesterday I did not. And for the record I don't think every Muslim hates us. Do I think maybe 10% might, that is something I could see being true. Or maybe I just like to take an opposite view here because it is fun.

 

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  posted on 3/16/2016 at 06:27 PM
Nebish, Trump does not know much about Islam and probably not much about the End Times that Christianity has predicted. But he did recognize and he said it on Fox News "we've become the world's whippin' post'. Once he realizes the battle is between the Illuminati and power moguls of the world (the ones who flew 70 jets to a private island off Georgia to discuss how to stop his rise to power) versus the good, Godly people of the world. He will be delighted with the task he may be given to manage the world and go up against the anti-Christ. It would be his biggest deal! Trump versus Satan, it doesn't get any bigger than that.

I believe there is hope. He is intelligent and he can be educated. When he is properly educated ( ) he may become a great ally to the correct Islam and correct Christianity.

 

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Thank goodness for Gina, the voice of reason.

 

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I just wish she would share whatever she is smoking.

 

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  posted on 3/16/2016 at 09:44 PM
And Donald trump keeps winning primaries, bringing in democrats and independents and is saying in speeches the things the people want talked about.

Hillary Clinton, the only candidate left for the democrats, never utters the words jobs, free and fair trade and national security.

The liberals keep crying while they keep losing.


 

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And Donald trump keeps winning primaries, bringing in democrats and independents and is saying in speeches the things the people want talked about.

Hillary Clinton, the only candidate left for the democrats, never utters the words jobs, free and fair trade and national security.

The liberals keep crying while they keep losing.




Hillary is going to be the next president and the GOP is going to lose the senate. Trump will be the nail in the coffin of the GOP. Come November the GOP is going to be dealing with a highly fractured party and will be grateful that the still have the house, not that they have ever done anything in the house.

 

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And Donald trump keeps winning primaries, bringing in democrats and independents and is saying in speeches the things the people want talked about.

Hillary Clinton, the only candidate left for the democrats, never utters the words jobs, free and fair trade and national security.

The liberals keep crying while they keep losing.




Hillary is going to be the next president and the GOP is going to lose the senate. Trump will be the nail in the coffin of the GOP. Come November the GOP is going to be dealing with a highly fractured party and will be grateful that the still have the house, not that they have ever done anything in the house.

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Hillary won't be going to the White House.
She will be going to the Big House.


 

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And Donald trump keeps winning primaries, bringing in democrats and independents and is saying in speeches the things the people want talked about.

Hillary Clinton, the only candidate left for the democrats, never utters the words jobs, free and fair trade and national security.

The liberals keep crying while they keep losing.




Hillary is going to be the next president and the GOP is going to lose the senate. Trump will be the nail in the coffin of the GOP. Come November the GOP is going to be dealing with a highly fractured party and will be grateful that the still have the house, not that they have ever done anything in the house.

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Hillary won't be going to the White House.
She will be going to the Big House.




I didn't know she was an ABB fan.

 
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