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  posted on 7/25/2016 at 01:47 PM
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It's pretty stupid to assume one likes something just because he criticizes something else.


Agreed.....and awfully defensive

 

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  posted on 7/25/2016 at 02:08 PM
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son, LOL, so tough, look out! Ok Mule, I'll get right on that proof. I'll research it right away sir! Just sit tight.

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  posted on 7/25/2016 at 02:34 PM
I'll bet you are single.
 

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  posted on 7/26/2016 at 07:26 AM
Some facts about Trump and the Russian leader he says that he admires so much...connecting these dots leads to a theory, actually several (not mine), that you may or may not buy into, but the facts are the facts...


1. Trump's debt load has grown dramatically over the last year, from $350 million to $630 million. At the same time, he’s been blackballed by all major US banks.

2. Post-bankruptcy, Trump has become highly reliant on money from Russia -- most of which has over the years become increasingly concentrated among oligarchs close to Vladimir Putin.

3. Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager and top advisor, spent most of the last decade as top campaign and communications advisor to Viktor Yanukovych, the pro-Russian Ukrainian Prime Minister and then President whose ouster in 2014 led to the on-going crisis and proxy war in Ukraine. Yanukovych was and remains a close ally of Putin.

4. Trump's foreign policy advisor on Russia and Europe is Carter Page, a man whose entire professional career has revolved around investments in Russia and who has deep and continuing financial and employment ties to Gazprom, which, in turn, is part of Putin’s financial empire.

5. Over the course of the last year, Putin has aligned all Russian state controlled media behind Trump.

6. The Trump Camp was totally indifferent to the Republican Party platform, with one exception: They changed the party platform to eliminate assistance to Ukraine against Russian military operations in eastern Ukraine. Not incidentally, this is the single most important issue to Putin.

7. Trump is also suggesting the US and thus NATO might not come to the defense of NATO member states in the Baltics in the case of a Russian invasion -- another important issue to Putin.

Here's one take on how all this ties together (without even delving into the possible connection to the DNC email hack that the FBI is now investigating)...

To put this all into perspective, if Vladimir Putin were simply the CEO of a major American corporation and there was this much money flowing in Trump's direction, combined with this much solicitousness of Putin's policy agenda, it would set off alarm bells galore. That is not hyperbole or exaggeration. And yet Putin is not the CEO of an American corporation. He's the autocrat who rules a foreign state, with an increasingly hostile posture towards the United States and a substantial stockpile of nuclear weapons. The stakes involved in finding out 'what's going on' as Trump might put it are quite a bit higher.

There is something between a non-trivial and a substantial amount of circumstantial evidence for a financial relationship between Trump and Putin or a non-tacit alliance between the two men. Even if you draw no adverse conclusions, Trump's financial empire is heavily leveraged and has a deep reliance on capital infusions from oligarchs and other sources of wealth aligned with Putin. That's simply not something that can be waved off or ignored.


Is any of this worth talking about or should we just ignore it all?

 

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  posted on 7/26/2016 at 10:31 AM
The Cold War is over. Russia is pretty much a non-factor. Ask Obama.
 

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  posted on 7/26/2016 at 10:54 AM
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The Cold War is over. Russia is pretty much a non-factor. Ask Obama.


President Obama basically stated that US sanctions against Ukraine did not amount to a new cold war. Russia though continues to have imperial designs and Trump's comments on NATO and the EU indicate that if he were president he would not come to the defense of European nations if Russia decided to say occupy Poland.

There is now going to be increased pressure on Trump to release his tax returns which might reveal the extent of his financial involvement with Russia.

The Clinton Foundation should submit to similar scrutiny. Clinton should also release the transcripts from speeches she gave to Wall Street.

There should be total transparency on both sides.

 

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  posted on 7/26/2016 at 10:59 AM
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The Cold War is over. Russia is pretty much a non-factor. Ask Obama.

So is that a no, it's not worth discussing?

 

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  posted on 7/26/2016 at 11:07 AM
Nine countries in the world possess a total of 15,375 nuclear weapons. The United States and Russia account for 93 percent of them. Russia 7300, USA 6970.

Cold war is not over.

 

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  posted on 7/26/2016 at 11:50 AM
With all the Trump -Russia chatter going on, I would like to point out Putins biggest allay and booster, PResident Obama.

1) Obama scrapped the proposed missle defense shield to be built in Poland, removing a deterrent for Putin and also, weakening relations with a key EU and NATO ally. I guess he needed the cash to give to the Ayotollah of Iran, his international pen pal buddy.
2. Obama golfed instead of attending the Polish President funeral when his plane went down with a large part of his government.
3) Ignored Putin after he squashed Georgia move to join NATO
4) With Obama neutered after his failure of the Syrian Red Line threat, Putin advanced and took Crimea and submitted Ukraine.
5) Neutered Barry is still looking clueless against a real global threat such as ISIS.



 

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  posted on 7/26/2016 at 11:55 AM
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With all the Trump -Russia chatter going on, I would like to point out Putins biggest allay and booster, PResident Obama.

Bwaaaaaaa ha haaa ha aha haaaa ha haaaa!!!!! Priceless!!!

 

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  posted on 7/26/2016 at 11:59 AM
What's an allay?

 

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  posted on 7/26/2016 at 12:04 PM
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What's an allay?

Where you go bowling?

 

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  posted on 7/26/2016 at 12:31 PM
"The Kremlin is clearly happy to see a Republican candidate who preaches disbanding NATO (or throwing it into debtors prison) and advocates an American retreat from the world stage. If America retreats, Russia advances, nipping at its heels. See, for example, Syria. If America’s role in the world shrinks, Russia’s role in the world grows. This is how Putin sees it. Russia will get stronger because America will get weaker. This is why he is overtly throwing in for Trump, who has also lavishly complimented him." - Foreign Policy Magazine

 

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  posted on 7/26/2016 at 12:44 PM
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What's an allay?

Where you go bowling?


No. When Al gets laid it's an allay.

 

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  posted on 7/26/2016 at 01:39 PM
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I get what you're saying, but if we look at this in its purest since, then we have to conclude that a classification of "great candidate" is a candidate that should win. Otherwise we can accept that a "great candidate" is just that - an exercise in exciting subsets of voters but a candidate who can't win. If the "end" is elect-ability / winning, then I believe he'll fall short. If that is the case, then I'll stick with my point of "This will be yet another election the GOP loses due to putting up a bad candidate."


True. He can win the nomination but not the election. IMO.

Interesting Trump has such a diverse base of support. There was a program on this topic yesterday on NPR. A caller who identified himself as a former Rand Paul supporter said he's considering Trump or Sanders because ultimately he doesn't care about the abortion/gay marriage/religious talking points anymore. He just wants anti-establishment.






He does have a base - many of the angry voters & many standard GOP voters who will vote for him. I have seen stats where 20 + pct. of Republicans said they'll never vote for him.

Re: diverse support - Women make up biggest voting block, & in national election I doubt he takes that significant segment of voters. He won't win the black vote, and with his "kind" words he can write off Hispanics where he's got an unfavorable rating of about 80%. Then there is the Muslim vote - another of his favorite targets, and I'm guessing he'd be in the single digits at best.


If he's failing to pull votes from the groups you mentioned, he would have to be getting about
96% of the white male vote to be in a virtual tie, which he clearly isn't. He's getting a lot of
votes from somewhere.

 

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  posted on 7/26/2016 at 03:31 PM
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If he's failing to pull votes from the groups you mentioned, he would have to be getting about
96% of the white male vote to be in a virtual tie, which he clearly isn't. He's getting a lot of
votes from somewhere.

Beyond the primaries, which only account for a relatively small part of the entire electorate (i.e. committed/engaged Rs or Ds, especially in states where you must be enrolled in a party to vote in the primary) neither candidate has gotten any votes yet. We're talking polls, and polls are often wrong (just look at the swings of as much as 10 points between the various polling orgs) especially when it comes to measuring impacts of voting blocks. I know you probably know this, and it doesn't change the validity of the point you are making, but just seemed worth calling it out.

 

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  posted on 7/26/2016 at 07:15 PM
So presidential. :eyeroll:

Hotel fights back after Donald Trump threatens to not pay

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/26/politics/donald-trump-hotel-air-conditioning- roanoke/index.html

 

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  posted on 7/27/2016 at 04:11 PM
According to Trump this should not be possible...

 

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"Donald Trump won’t be releasing his tax returns, his campaign chairman reiterated today, despite renewed calls for Trump to do so amid questions about whether he has financial ties to Russia.

"Mr. Trump has said that his taxes are under audit and he will not be releasing them," Paul Manafort said in an interview with CBS."




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  posted on 7/28/2016 at 01:47 PM
Anyone else remember in 2007 when the entire GOP said, "Do you really want a President with NO EXPERIENCE?"

 

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  posted on 7/28/2016 at 02:24 PM
I thought Kaine made the best point about Trump. He has an opportunity to explain to his voters exactly how he plans to do all these things, but he's not seizing it. Instead, he just says "believe me". Wouldn't voters expect more? Oh wait, his voters are all racist trash, I forgot.
 

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  posted on 7/28/2016 at 02:38 PM
"Does anyone really believe that a guy who’s spent his seventy years on this earth showing no regard for working people is suddenly going to be your champion? Your voice? If so, you should vote for him...He suggests America is weak...He cozies up to Putin, praises Saddam Hussein, and tells the NATO allies that stood by our side after 9/11 that they have to pay up if they want our protection. America is already great. America is already strong. And I promise you, our strength, our greatness, does not depend on Donald Trump...He’s selling the American people short. We are not a fragile people, we’re not a frightful people. Our power doesn’t come from some self-declared savior promising that he alone can restore order as long as we do things his way. We don’t look to be ruled...Anyone who threatens our values, whether Fascists or Communists or jihadists or homegrown demagogues, will always fail in the end."

 

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  posted on 7/28/2016 at 10:58 PM
This apple landed right at the bottom of the tree. What a tool.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-jr-says-obama-lifted-ph rase-his-rnc-speech-n618916

 

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  posted on 7/29/2016 at 02:44 PM
Trump threatens to punch DNC Speakers

http://newcenturytimes.com/2016/07/28/trump-reacts-to-dnc-speakers-by-threa tening-to-punch-them-video/

Ok, I no longer think he is a thin skinned bully. I honestly think he is mentally ill. Nobody in his right mind would say this.


 

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  posted on 7/29/2016 at 03:27 PM
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Trump threatens to punch DNC Speakers

http://newcenturytimes.com/2016/07/28/trump-reacts-to-dnc-speakers-by-threa tening-to-punch-them-video/

Ok, I no longer think he is a thin skinned bully. I honestly think he is mentally ill. Nobody in his right mind would say this.

What a putz. Looking back at the list of DNC speakers I can't find one that I think he could take.

Of course he was speaking figuratively. When says he would hit them "so hard their head would spin" he means he would call them names. Just like he did in the primaries. It's like watching a 2nd grade bully. But his followers eat it up so it isn't going to stop.

 

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