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  posted on 6/30/2016 at 07:57 PM
Nothing like an old fashioned policy driven discussion.. Is this woman a doctor?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkdm2tS6xuQ

On and on it goes.....

 

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  posted on 6/30/2016 at 09:27 PM
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Lets see, he managed to secure the nomination spending most likely the least amount of any candidate in the last 20 years


Why was that? It's a valid question.

Republicans have been whining for years about the liberal media, but the free mass media coverage that Trump just received over the last several months is unprecedented.


True, but about 90% of that free coverage has been negative.

Big help.

 

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  posted on 6/30/2016 at 09:51 PM
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Lets see, he managed to secure the nomination spending most likely the least amount of any candidate in the last 20 years


Why was that? It's a valid question.

Republicans have been whining for years about the liberal media, but the free mass media coverage that Trump just received over the last several months is unprecedented.


True, but about 90% of that free coverage has been negative.

Big help.


That coverage has basically reporting whateer Trump says. His words make the coverage negative, not the media,

 

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  posted on 6/30/2016 at 10:16 PM
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Lets see, he managed to secure the nomination spending most likely the least amount of any candidate in the last 20 years


Why was that? It's a valid question.

Republicans have been whining for years about the liberal media, but the free mass media coverage that Trump just received over the last several months is unprecedented.


True, but about 90% of that free coverage has been negative.

Big help.


That coverage has basically reporting whatever Trump says. His words make the coverage negative, not the media,

It's only negative to clear thinking people. Overall it's seems to have a positive effect for Trump.

 

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  posted on 6/30/2016 at 10:24 PM
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Lets see, he managed to secure the nomination spending most likely the least amount of any candidate in the last 20 years


Why was that? It's a valid question.

Republicans have been whining for years about the liberal media, but the free mass media coverage that Trump just received over the last several months is unprecedented.


True, but about 90% of that free coverage has been negative.

Big help.


That coverage has basically reporting whatever Trump says. His words make the coverage negative, not the media,

It's only negative to clear thinking people. Overall it's seems to have a positive effect for Trump.


That's true. Problem from the neck up again. What else could it be?

Sorry. I forgot.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2016 at 06:53 AM
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Lets see, he managed to secure the nomination spending most likely the least amount of any candidate in the last 20 years


Why was that? It's a valid question.

Republicans have been whining for years about the liberal media, but the free mass media coverage that Trump just received over the last several months is unprecedented.


True, but about 90% of that free coverage has been negative.

Big help.

Bwaaaa ha ha ahaaaaa haa! You are even more disconnected from reality that I thought.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2016 at 08:15 AM
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Lets see, he managed to secure the nomination spending most likely the least amount of any candidate in the last 20 years


Why was that? It's a valid question.

Republicans have been whining for years about the liberal media, but the free mass media coverage that Trump just received over the last several months is unprecedented.


True, but about 90% of that free coverage has been negative.

Big help.

Bwaaaa ha ha ahaaaaa haa! You are even more disconnected from reality that I thought.


And that would surprise you? Aren't all Conservatives handicapped by some kind of mental
problem, low intelligence, insanity, ect?

Where is Donald T. getting all this positive coverage? I see, hear, and read quite a bit of the opposite,
quite a bit being a classic understatement.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2016 at 09:15 AM
quote:
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Lets see, he managed to secure the nomination spending most likely the least amount of any candidate in the last 20 years


Why was that? It's a valid question.

Republicans have been whining for years about the liberal media, but the free mass media coverage that Trump just received over the last several months is unprecedented.


True, but about 90% of that free coverage has been negative.

Big help.

Bwaaaa ha ha ahaaaaa haa! You are even more disconnected from reality that I thought.


And that would surprise you? Aren't all Conservatives handicapped by some kind of mental
problem, low intelligence, insanity, ect?

Where is Donald T. getting all this positive coverage? I see, hear, and read quite a bit of the opposite,
quite a bit being a classic understatement.

Conservatives have become such victims. So sad.

Coverage is coverage, it's the interpretation of it that is either negative or positive. Trump has gotten so much coverage and so much mileage from that coverage that he hasn't really had to fundraise because he hasn't really had to spend. If there is anything Trump is good at, it is using the media to his advantage. From a media standpoint, this election cycle as it relates to Trump in particular has been unlike anything we've ever seen and will be studied and talked about for years and years.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2016 at 09:32 AM
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Lets see, he managed to secure the nomination spending most likely the least amount of any candidate in the last 20 years


Why was that? It's a valid question.

Republicans have been whining for years about the liberal media, but the free mass media coverage that Trump just received over the last several months is unprecedented.


True, but about 90% of that free coverage has been negative.

Big help.

Bwaaaa ha ha ahaaaaa haa! You are even more disconnected from reality that I thought.


And that would surprise you? Aren't all Conservatives handicapped by some kind of mental
problem, low intelligence, insanity, ect?

Where is Donald T. getting all this positive coverage? I see, hear, and read quite a bit of the opposite,
quite a bit being a classic understatement.


Coverage is coverage, it's the interpretation of it that is either negative or positive.



Seriously? So when you flip the TV on and day after day the face on the screen is calling him
a racist, bigot, insane, hates women, hates Mexicans, incites violence, appeals to the lowest
common denominator, hates Muslims, owns a struggling golf course in Scotland.....on and on
and on........some might interpret that as positive coverage?

Wow.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2016 at 09:41 AM
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Lets see, he managed to secure the nomination spending most likely the least amount of any candidate in the last 20 years


Why was that? It's a valid question.

Republicans have been whining for years about the liberal media, but the free mass media coverage that Trump just received over the last several months is unprecedented.


True, but about 90% of that free coverage has been negative.

Big help.

Bwaaaa ha ha ahaaaaa haa! You are even more disconnected from reality that I thought.


And that would surprise you? Aren't all Conservatives handicapped by some kind of mental
problem, low intelligence, insanity, ect?

Where is Donald T. getting all this positive coverage? I see, hear, and read quite a bit of the opposite,
quite a bit being a classic understatement.


Coverage is coverage, it's the interpretation of it that is either negative or positive.



Seriously? So when you flip the TV on and day after day the face on the screen is calling him
a racist, bigot, insane, hates women, hates Mexicans, incites violence, appeals to the lowest
common denominator, hates Muslims, owns a struggling golf course in Scotland.....on and on
and on........some might interpret that as positive coverage?

Wow.

Yep, many people are, millions even. I don't get it either, but it is happening. Hence the remainder of my post that you didn't include.




[Edited on 7/1/2016 by gondicar]

 

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  posted on 7/1/2016 at 10:00 AM
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Conservatives have become such victims. So sad.

It's true. They did not used to be so whiny. They once were angry, but now they just seem depressed. The good news is that soon they will begin dialog and bargaining on their way to full acceptance and a return to meaningful life.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2016 at 10:13 AM
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Conservatives have become such victims. So sad.

It's true. They did not used to be so whiny. They once were angry, but now they just seem depressed. The good news is that soon they will begin dialog and bargaining on their way to full acceptance and a return to meaningful life.



"Whining" redefined.

Shocking.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2016 at 10:20 AM
Simply repeating their own terms and phrases employed day after day by political adversaries
back to them?

Parroting....maybe.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2016 at 11:45 AM
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Lets see, he managed to secure the nomination spending most likely the least amount of any candidate in the last 20 years


Why was that? It's a valid question.

Republicans have been whining for years about the liberal media, but the free mass media coverage that Trump just received over the last several months is unprecedented.


True, but about 90% of that free coverage has been negative.

Big help.

Bwaaaa ha ha ahaaaaa haa! You are even more disconnected from reality that I thought.


And that would surprise you? Aren't all Conservatives handicapped by some kind of mental
problem, low intelligence, insanity, ect?

Where is Donald T. getting all this positive coverage? I see, hear, and read quite a bit of the opposite,
quite a bit being a classic understatement.


Coverage is coverage, it's the interpretation of it that is either negative or positive.



Seriously? So when you flip the TV on and day after day the face on the screen is calling him
a racist, bigot, insane, hates women, hates Mexicans, incites violence, appeals to the lowest
common denominator, hates Muslims, owns a struggling golf course in Scotland.....on and on
and on........some might interpret that as positive coverage?

Wow.


Go back and listen to his interviews, speeches, and quotes. The things you have described above...well...Donald has earned honestly. The unbelievable words that come out of his mouth have earned him these accuarte descriptions & depictions. One reaps what he sows, and in this case Donald is being rewarded appropriately.

alloak, tell us which items on your list is not accurate and is not justfied. You should be proud to support Donald as he "makes America great again".


 

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  posted on 7/1/2016 at 01:43 PM
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Lets see, he managed to secure the nomination spending most likely the least amount of any candidate in the last 20 years


Why was that? It's a valid question.

Republicans have been whining for years about the liberal media, but the free mass media coverage that Trump just received over the last several months is unprecedented.


True, but about 90% of that free coverage has been negative.

Big help.

Bwaaaa ha ha ahaaaaa haa! You are even more disconnected from reality that I thought.


And that would surprise you? Aren't all Conservatives handicapped by some kind of mental
problem, low intelligence, insanity, ect?

Where is Donald T. getting all this positive coverage? I see, hear, and read quite a bit of the opposite,
quite a bit being a classic understatement.


Coverage is coverage, it's the interpretation of it that is either negative or positive.



Seriously? So when you flip the TV on and day after day the face on the screen is calling him
a racist, bigot, insane, hates women, hates Mexicans, incites violence, appeals to the lowest
common denominator, hates Muslims, owns a struggling golf course in Scotland.....on and on
and on........some might interpret that as positive coverage?

Wow.


Go back and listen to his interviews, speeches, and quotes. The things you have described above...well...Donald has earned honestly. The unbelievable words that come out of his mouth have earned him these accuarte descriptions & depictions. One reaps what he sows, and in this case Donald is being rewarded appropriately.



Is that fact or opinion?

But back to the question, would a reasonable person consider the "accurate" descriptions and
depictions positive coverage?





[Edited on 7/1/2016 by alloak41]

 

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  posted on 7/1/2016 at 01:47 PM
I think Trump lives by the old adage " There is no such thing as bad press" in my opinion.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2016 at 01:47 PM
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Lets see, he managed to secure the nomination spending most likely the least amount of any candidate in the last 20 years


Why was that? It's a valid question.

Republicans have been whining for years about the liberal media, but the free mass media coverage that Trump just received over the last several months is unprecedented.


True, but about 90% of that free coverage has been negative.

Big help.

Bwaaaa ha ha ahaaaaa haa! You are even more disconnected from reality that I thought.


And that would surprise you? Aren't all Conservatives handicapped by some kind of mental
problem, low intelligence, insanity, ect?

Where is Donald T. getting all this positive coverage? I see, hear, and read quite a bit of the opposite,
quite a bit being a classic understatement.


Coverage is coverage, it's the interpretation of it that is either negative or positive.



Seriously? So when you flip the TV on and day after day the face on the screen is calling him
a racist, bigot, insane, hates women, hates Mexicans, incites violence, appeals to the lowest
common denominator, hates Muslims, owns a struggling golf course in Scotland.....on and on
and on........some might interpret that as positive coverage?

Wow.


Go back and listen to his interviews, speeches, and quotes. The things you have described above...well...Donald has earned honestly. The unbelievable words that come out of his mouth have earned him these accuarte descriptions & depictions. One reaps what he sows, and in this case Donald is being rewarded appropriately.



Is that fact or opinion?

But back to the question, would a reasonable person consider the "accurate" descriptions and
depictions positive coverage?

If it helps him towards his goal I suppose it is positive, at least for him. And it seems to be working that way, though I don't know why.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2016 at 02:22 PM
quote:
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Lets see, he managed to secure the nomination spending most likely the least amount of any candidate in the last 20 years


Why was that? It's a valid question.

Republicans have been whining for years about the liberal media, but the free mass media coverage that Trump just received over the last several months is unprecedented.


True, but about 90% of that free coverage has been negative.

Big help.

Bwaaaa ha ha ahaaaaa haa! You are even more disconnected from reality that I thought.


And that would surprise you? Aren't all Conservatives handicapped by some kind of mental
problem, low intelligence, insanity, ect?

Where is Donald T. getting all this positive coverage? I see, hear, and read quite a bit of the opposite,
quite a bit being a classic understatement.


Coverage is coverage, it's the interpretation of it that is either negative or positive.



Seriously? So when you flip the TV on and day after day the face on the screen is calling him
a racist, bigot, insane, hates women, hates Mexicans, incites violence, appeals to the lowest
common denominator, hates Muslims, owns a struggling golf course in Scotland.....on and on
and on........some might interpret that as positive coverage?

Wow.


Go back and listen to his interviews, speeches, and quotes. The things you have described above...well...Donald has earned honestly. The unbelievable words that come out of his mouth have earned him these accuarte descriptions & depictions. One reaps what he sows, and in this case Donald is being rewarded appropriately.



Is that fact or opinion?

But back to the question, would a reasonable person consider the "accurate" descriptions and
depictions positive coverage?

[Edited on 7/1/2016 by alloak41]


I'd call it fact, but of course you'd call it opinion. How about we label it cause & effect?

As far as positive coverage, Trump loves all coverage, as he is a media whore. If his lies, fabrications, or negative statements earn him another 24 hours of news cycle coverage, he probably sees it as free coverage which in his twisted reasoning is a positive. He's not taking in much money from the usual GOP donors, so he needs all the free & positive coverage he can get. He certainly knows how to grab it when he wants it.

 

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  posted on 7/6/2016 at 03:43 PM

Why Do We Hear More About Hillary’s Emails Than Donald Trump’s Rape Charges?

07/03/2016 05:02 pm ET | Updated 2 days ago

I don’t know about you, but I’m getting tired of 2016 presidential election media coverage. It’s been a mess since the beginning, when Donald Trump kicked off his campaign with the statement that Mexicans are rapists, and major news channels and newspapers responded by giving him just what he wanted: more coverage than any other candidate.

For months I maintained the position that if we all stopped clicking on Donald Trump headlines, he would go away. But no one was interested in that strategy, and now it’s too late to implement it. The media played a major role in Donald Trump’s rise to power, and now it seems as though they are rooting for him to maintain it.

Two weeks ago, a woman filed a federal lawsuit against Donald Trump, alleging that he raped her in 1994, when she was 13 years old. Also named as a defendant in the lawsuit is Jeffrey Epstein, a man who has already served a year in prison for soliciting an underage prostitute, and who was recently described by Donald Trump as a “terrific guy.”

This story was first reported on June 20th by The Real Deal, a publication dedicated to covering New York real estate news. It was picked up by Gothamist, The Daily Beast, Snopes, and a few other websites. I did not learn about the case until a friend of mine shared this Huffington Post blog about it. The case was not covered in Huffington Post’s news section, nor in the news section of any major publication.

Meanwhile, I received two New York Times push notifications this week with updates about Hillary Clinton’s emails.

Has the media decided Donald Trump is just so despicable that it isn’t worth covering another atrocity allegedly perpetrated by him, while Hillary Clinton is expected to be a perfect human being, so more coverage of her emails serves the public good? Have they decided Donald Trump is just so immune to negative coverage that reporting this lawsuit is a waste of time, while another story on Hillary’s email server is guaranteed to make her even more unpopular?

Or, is giving credence to rape accusations against powerful men still socially unacceptable? (Re: Peyton Manning)

It’s difficult for me not to think that sexism has a hand in guiding the media’s wacky priority list. I know a lot of people are getting tired of accusations of sexism in this presidential race, but sexism would explain why a female candidate sending emails from a private server faces a thousand times more public scrutiny than a male candidate allegedly raping a child.

To reiterate what has already been determined about Hillary’s emails: Federal law did not prohibit public officials from using private email accounts until 2014, after she left office, and none of her emails were considered classified at the time she sent them via a private server. And yet, Hillary is branded a criminal, while Donald Trump—who has now had three legal claims of sexual assault filed against him—remains the successful businessman whose greatest offense is his ego.

You can counter that the claims of sexual assault against Donald Trump are unproven in a court of law, and to that I will counter that Hillary has not been convicted of any crimes either. In this country, the principle of “innocent until proven guilty” tends to serve the privileged. That principle goes out the window when we discuss accusations against women and people of color.

Donald Trump may be a megalomaniac who has no experience in public office and has shocked the entire world by making it this far in the race, but the absurdity of his candidacy does not mean that he should be vetted less critically than his opponent. He may be a racist and a misogynist from whom we can never expect anything but the worst, but the reality is that he’s one election away from being the most powerful person on the planet. If we dismiss his transgressions as just being typical of his character, we may allow him to actually hold that power in his hands.

To all the media gatekeepers out there: If you are frustrated by the fact that criticisms of Donald Trump do not dissuade his supporters in the slightest, I sympathize with you. But your frustration is not an excuse for failing to deliver those criticisms which Trump deserves. Perhaps this latest development would have no effect on Trump’s poll numbers, but it still needs to be covered. This is information that the public needs to know.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/why-do-we-hear-more-about-hillarys-emai ls-than-donald_us_577979e2e4b0746f564846b4



[Edited on 7/6/2016 by gondicar]

 

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  posted on 7/7/2016 at 02:41 PM
From the mouth of a Republican member of the House:

Rep. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.) left the meeting worried about Trump’s grasp on the basics of the Constitution. At a lunch with reporters afterward, he recalled that the candidate did not seem to know what he was promising to defend.

“I wasn’t particularly impressed,” said Sanford. “It was the normal stream of consciousness that’s long on hyperbole and short on facts. At one point, somebody asked about Article I powers: What will you do to protect them? I think his response was, ‘I want to protect Article I, Article II, Article XII,’ going down the list. There is no Article XII.”

 

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  posted on 7/7/2016 at 02:58 PM
Sadly, that's not as important as getting payback on liberals for 8 years of Obama. Because they perceived Obama as the worst possible option, they are intentionally voting in the worst possible option for a liberal - Trump. They'd rather achieve spite and payback rather than elect the best Republican for President of our country.
 

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  posted on 7/7/2016 at 08:00 PM
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Why Do We Hear More About Hillary’s Emails Than Donald Trump’s Rape Charges?

07/03/2016 05:02 pm ET | Updated 2 days ago

I don’t know about you, but I’m getting tired of 2016 presidential election media coverage. It’s been a mess since the beginning, when Donald Trump kicked off his campaign with the statement that Mexicans are rapists, and major news channels and newspapers responded by giving him just what he wanted: more coverage than any other candidate.

For months I maintained the position that if we all stopped clicking on Donald Trump headlines, he would go away. But no one was interested in that strategy, and now it’s too late to implement it. The media played a major role in Donald Trump’s rise to power, and now it seems as though they are rooting for him to maintain it.

Two weeks ago, a woman filed a federal lawsuit against Donald Trump, alleging that he raped her in 1994, when she was 13 years old. Also named as a defendant in the lawsuit is Jeffrey Epstein, a man who has already served a year in prison for soliciting an underage prostitute, and who was recently described by Donald Trump as a “terrific guy.”

This story was first reported on June 20th by The Real Deal, a publication dedicated to covering New York real estate news. It was picked up by Gothamist, The Daily Beast, Snopes, and a few other websites. I did not learn about the case until a friend of mine shared this Huffington Post blog about it. The case was not covered in Huffington Post’s news section, nor in the news section of any major publication.

Meanwhile, I received two New York Times push notifications this week with updates about Hillary Clinton’s emails.

Has the media decided Donald Trump is just so despicable that it isn’t worth covering another atrocity allegedly perpetrated by him, while Hillary Clinton is expected to be a perfect human being, so more coverage of her emails serves the public good? Have they decided Donald Trump is just so immune to negative coverage that reporting this lawsuit is a waste of time, while another story on Hillary’s email server is guaranteed to make her even more unpopular?

Or, is giving credence to rape accusations against powerful men still socially unacceptable? (Re: Peyton Manning)

It’s difficult for me not to think that sexism has a hand in guiding the media’s wacky priority list. I know a lot of people are getting tired of accusations of sexism in this presidential race, but sexism would explain why a female candidate sending emails from a private server faces a thousand times more public scrutiny than a male candidate allegedly raping a child.

To reiterate what has already been determined about Hillary’s emails: Federal law did not prohibit public officials from using private email accounts until 2014, after she left office, and none of her emails were considered classified at the time she sent them via a private server. And yet, Hillary is branded a criminal, while Donald Trump—who has now had three legal claims of sexual assault filed against him—remains the successful businessman whose greatest offense is his ego.

You can counter that the claims of sexual assault against Donald Trump are unproven in a court of law, and to that I will counter that Hillary has not been convicted of any crimes either. In this country, the principle of “innocent until proven guilty” tends to serve the privileged. That principle goes out the window when we discuss accusations against women and people of color.

Donald Trump may be a megalomaniac who has no experience in public office and has shocked the entire world by making it this far in the race, but the absurdity of his candidacy does not mean that he should be vetted less critically than his opponent. He may be a racist and a misogynist from whom we can never expect anything but the worst, but the reality is that he’s one election away from being the most powerful person on the planet. If we dismiss his transgressions as just being typical of his character, we may allow him to actually hold that power in his hands.

To all the media gatekeepers out there: If you are frustrated by the fact that criticisms of Donald Trump do not dissuade his supporters in the slightest, I sympathize with you. But your frustration is not an excuse for failing to deliver those criticisms which Trump deserves. Perhaps this latest development would have no effect on Trump’s poll numbers, but it still needs to be covered. This is information that the public needs to know.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/why-do-we-hear-more-about-hillarys-emai ls-than-donald_us_577979e2e4b0746f564846b4

[Edited on 7/6/2016 by gondicar]


That's because raping little girls is not a big deal to the average Trump supporter. Rich people are allowed to do that.

 

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  posted on 7/7/2016 at 10:52 PM
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Why Do We Hear More About Hillary’s Emails Than Donald Trump’s Rape Charges?



Trump has been charged with rape? When did this happen?

 

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  posted on 7/7/2016 at 11:17 PM
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Why Do We Hear More About Hillary’s Emails Than Donald Trump’s Rape Charges?



Trump has been charged with rape? When did this happen?


Hillary has been charged with a crime concerning her emails? When did that happen?

 

Zen Peach



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  posted on 7/7/2016 at 11:26 PM
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What more could someone like me ask for? Decorum? Statesmanship? Honesty? Pfffft. Overrated


Overrated? Try non-existent.

The list of people that trust the government gets shorter by the day and they have only
themselves to blame.

 
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