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  posted on 6/11/2016 at 07:21 PM
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A good man honors his debts. trump is NOT a "good man".


All due respect pops42 but again -- if he was all-the louse/racist/anti-woman candidate that people have tried to slag him with, personally I don't see how he could've gained the nomination



Easy. It's based on their feelings of moral superiority, while never failing to ignore the shortcomings (moral and otherwise) of their own candidate. That's a given.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2016 at 08:59 PM
wrong Alloak. The left fully realizes Hillary is dishonest and corrupt on some level, however, how is that different from the majority of all politicians since the country was founded? It's part of politics. We as voters recognize it as B.S., and simply vote for the best candidates. But Trump has invented a whole new game - a game never seen before in American history, so for that reason I don't see how it's logical to put the evils of the 2 candidates on the same level. One is far more dangerous than the other. The left is equally as screwed as the right because I don't know one person on the left who is satisfied with Hillary. But there should be no notion that they are equally as bad, IMO.
 

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  posted on 6/11/2016 at 09:11 PM
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wrong Alloak. The left fully realizes Hillary is dishonest and corrupt on some level, however, how is that different from the majority of all politicians since the country was founded? It's part of politics. We as voters recognize it as B.S., and simply vote for the best candidates. But Trump has invented a whole new game - a game never seen before in American history, so for that reason I don't see how it's logical to put the evils of the 2 candidates on the same level. One is far more dangerous than the other. The left is equally as screwed as the right because I don't know one person on the left who is satisfied with Hillary. But there should be no notion that they are equally as bad, IMO.


What "whole new ballgame" has Trump invented and what makes him "far more dangerous" than Hillary Clinton?

 

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  posted on 6/11/2016 at 09:19 PM
I'm sticking with my original answer. That's a regular laugh riot,"the left realizes Hillary is dishonest and corrupt on some level."

Wow, they do? Really??

Sorry, but I've seen a few hundred too many, "she hasn't done anything illegal, she hasn't been convicted of anything, everybody does it, it's just a witch hunt, ect, ect, ect, ect." to believe that for one second. Get real!





[Edited on 6/12/2016 by alloak41]

 

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  posted on 6/11/2016 at 09:50 PM
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Trump is NOT playing the race card. If you disagree, please provide a list of all the people he's accused of being racist.


So then, what card is he playing?




Beats the hell out of me. Ask gondicar.


Why would I ask gondicar about something you posted?

[Edited on 6/9/2016 by Bhawk]


Because he's the one insisting that Trump is playing a card of some kind. I'm not. Pretty self explanatory.

 

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  posted on 6/12/2016 at 09:17 AM
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What "whole new ballgame" has Trump invented and what makes him "far more dangerous" than Hillary Clinton?


The ballgame of a presidential candidate openly launching hostile insults towards good people like John McCain, not because he truly feels it, but to appeal to the lowest forms of life in our society. That's one heck of a game to play.

To answer the 2nd part of your question, I'm afraid that the dregs of our society will feel empowered and believe it is ok to go about life insulting Hispanics and Muslims. He's sending messages that it is ok to yell and insult people when you get mad. Those types of people are trash IMO and we should be moving as far away from that culture as humanly possible. I know you probably believe Hillary's actions are a bigger threat to our country, but not me.

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I'm sticking with my original answer. That's a regular laugh riot,"the left realizes Hillary is dishonest and corrupt on some level."

Wow, they do? Really??

Sorry, but I've seen a few hundred too many, "she hasn't done anything illegal, she hasn't been convicted of anything, everybody does it, it's just a witch hunt, ect, ect, ect, ect." to believe that for one second. Get real!


I don't think you should take those reactions so literally. It's pretty clear to me that all the defense of Hillary is more about wondering how she is different than just about all other politicians. I don't know any other politician in my lifetime who has used Trump's tactics. I'm sure there are some small timers who succeeded on a local level, but for someone as famous as Trump for President? C'mon.



[Edited on 6/12/2016 by BoytonBrother]

 

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  posted on 6/12/2016 at 09:32 AM
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To answer the 2nd part of your question, I'm afraid that the dregs of our society will feel empowered and believe it is ok to go about life insulting Hispanics and Muslims. He's sending messages that it is ok to yell and insult people when you get mad.
[Edited on 6/12/2016 by BoytonBrother]


Oh, stop. You aren't aware that people have been doing this since before Trump was even born and will still do so 1,000 years after he's gone? You expect us to believe that people have waited for the advent of Trump (to empower them) to act this way?

Sorry, but this gets more ridiculous by the day.

 

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  posted on 6/12/2016 at 09:41 AM
To apply your logic, I guess Kennedy empowered people to have multiple adulterous affairs. Nixon empowered people to cover up crimes. Clinton empowered people to conduct their workday like sexual predators and lie in court.

So you must not believe that people know right from wrong on their own, but model their own behavior after a sitting President? Really?

 

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  posted on 6/12/2016 at 10:12 AM
Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying I guess.
 

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  posted on 6/12/2016 at 10:36 AM
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So you must not believe that people know right from wrong on their own, but model their own behavior after a sitting President? Really?

It's a sad testimonial when you have to resort to saying that Trump is acceptable because people know better than to act like him. Whatever happened to leadership?

 

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  posted on 6/12/2016 at 10:37 AM
I agree. A small example: When Obama allowed himself to be seen smoking cigarettes in public, I was shocked that he would set that role model for young people. It just looked wrong, a president smoking. If he had quit publicly, as a PR move, it would have empowered a lot of people to quit.

Call me a racist, but I think that a black President has sent a strong message to young people of color that race should not be a barrier in education and striving for betterment, and that this country is for everyone.

On that note, a female president will empower young women, with a role model that is woefully late in our history. Republican or Democrat, it almost doesn't matter. Margaret Thatcher was a Tory battle-axe, but she did a great job.

Presidents are for the most part symbols, figureheads of the country. The workings of government will continue pretty much the same, for better or worse.

This thread has shown that all politicos are flawed, so given their similarity on that level:

What face do you want to present to the world as a country? A blustering unstable ignorant demagogue, or an educated, tough, intelligent and civilized woman like Hilary?

If we get one more president who says "nucular" instead of "nuclear", we are indeed doomed.

 

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  posted on 6/12/2016 at 10:39 AM
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Trump is NOT playing the race card. If you disagree, please provide a list of all the people he's accused of being racist.


So then, what card is he playing?




Beats the hell out of me. Ask gondicar.


Why would I ask gondicar about something you posted?

[Edited on 6/9/2016 by Bhawk]


Because he's the one insisting that Trump is playing a card of some kind. I'm not. Pretty self explanatory.


Purposefully obtuse to the point of being disingenuous. How shocking.

 

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  posted on 6/12/2016 at 11:13 AM
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To apply your logic, I guess Kennedy empowered people to have multiple adulterous affairs. Nixon empowered people to cover up crimes. Clinton empowered people to conduct their workday like sexual predators and lie in court.


Your rudeness is a clever way to detract, but I'll stick to the point with this part of your post. You fail to recognize a glaring obvious difference in these examples. Kennedy, Nixon, and Clinton - all examples of "scandal", a negative guilty connotation to it. Where is that association w/ Trump's behavior? It is the opposite - he is being rewarded and worshiped for it by a large portion of our country. Scary. I don't know one person who cheered on Nixon after learning about Watergate. I WISH he was being treated the same as those other 3 you mentioned. So no, it is not my logic at all actually.

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  posted on 6/12/2016 at 11:59 AM
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Trump is NOT playing the race card. If you disagree, please provide a list of all the people he's accused of being racist.


So then, what card is he playing?




Beats the hell out of me. Ask gondicar.


Why would I ask gondicar about something you posted?

[Edited on 6/9/2016 by Bhawk]


Because he's the one insisting that Trump is playing a card of some kind. I'm not. Pretty self explanatory.


Purposefully obtuse to the point of being disingenuous. How shocking.


Shocking but accurate. I answered your question honestly if that's worth anything.

 

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  posted on 6/12/2016 at 12:08 PM
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To apply your logic, I guess Kennedy empowered people to have multiple adulterous affairs. Nixon empowered people to cover up crimes. Clinton empowered people to conduct their workday like sexual predators and lie in court.


Your rudeness is a clever way to detract, but I'll stick to the point with this part of your post. You fail to recognize a glaring obvious difference in these examples. Kennedy, Nixon, and Clinton - all examples of "scandal", a negative guilty connotation to it. Where is that association w/ Trump's behavior? It is the opposite - he is being rewarded and worshiped for it by a large portion of our country. Scary. I don't know one person who cheered on Nixon after learning about Watergate. I WISH he was being treated the same as those other 3 you mentioned. So no, it is not my logic at all actually.

[Edited on 6/12/2016 by BoytonBrother]


Your implication at the start was that people have a tendency to model their behavior around the behavior of a sitting president. That's what scares you so much about Trump, remember?


 

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  posted on 6/12/2016 at 12:15 PM
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So you must not believe that people know right from wrong on their own, but model their own behavior after a sitting President? Really?

It's a sad testimonial when you have to resort to saying that Trump is acceptable because people know better than to act like him.


But i didn't say that. You did.

 

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London (CNN) As one of the world's most renowned scientists, Stephen Hawking is regularly called on to help explain the universe's more mysterious phenomena.

But asked to account for Donald Trump's political rise Tuesday, the British theoretical physicist was stumped.

"I can't," Hawking told CNN affiliate ITV's "Good Morning Britain" program.

"He is a demagogue, who seems to appeal to the lowest common denominator."

 

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  posted on 6/12/2016 at 05:15 PM
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So you must not believe that people know right from wrong on their own, but model their own behavior after a sitting President? Really?

It's a sad testimonial when you have to resort to saying that Trump is acceptable because people know better than to act like him.


But i didn't say that. You did.


No, you did. And you know it.

 

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  posted on 6/12/2016 at 07:14 PM
Quoting BoyntonBrother from 6-11-2016
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wrong Alloak. The left fully realizes Hillary is dishonest and corrupt on some level, however, how is that different from the majority of all politicians since the country was founded? It's part of politics. We as voters recognize it as B.S., and simply vote for the best candidates. But Trump has invented a whole new game - a game never seen before in American history, so for that reason I don't see how it's logical to put the evils of the 2 candidates on the same level. One is far more dangerous than the other. The left is equally as screwed as the right because I don't know one person on the left who is satisfied with Hillary. But there should be no notion that they are equally as bad, IMO.


So you're gonna vote for Trump?

 

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  posted on 6/12/2016 at 07:20 PM
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So you must not believe that people know right from wrong on their own, but model their own behavior after a sitting President? Really?

It's a sad testimonial when you have to resort to saying that Trump is acceptable because people know better than to act like him.


But i didn't say that. You did.


No, you did. And you know it.


I did? Where?

 

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London (CNN) As one of the world's most renowned scientists, Stephen Hawking is regularly called on to help explain the universe's more mysterious phenomena.

But asked to account for Donald Trump's political rise Tuesday, the British theoretical physicist was stumped.

"I can't," Hawking told CNN affiliate ITV's "Good Morning Britain" program.

"He is a demagogue, who seems to appeal to the lowest common denominator."


Totally useless comment.

Lowest common denominator based on what criteria? Which candidate has appealed to the highest common denominator?


 

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  posted on 6/12/2016 at 07:27 PM
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So you must not believe that people know right from wrong on their own, but model their own behavior after a sitting President? Really?

It's a sad testimonial when you have to resort to saying that Trump is acceptable because people know better than to act like him.


But i didn't say that. You did.


No, you did. And you know it.


I did? Where?


Do you read what you post?

 

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  posted on 6/12/2016 at 07:36 PM
Quoting: Bob1954 On 6-12-2016 @10:36 AM responding to part of Alloak41 post @9:41 that morning.
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So you must not believe that people know right from wrong on their own, but model their own behavior after a sitting President? Really?

It's a sad testimonial when you have to resort to saying that Trump is acceptable because people know better than to act like him. Whatever happened to leadership?

 

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  posted on 6/12/2016 at 09:03 PM
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So you must not believe that people know right from wrong on their own, but model their own behavior after a sitting President? Really?

It's a sad testimonial when you have to resort to saying that Trump is acceptable because people know better than to act like him.


But i didn't say that. You did.


No, you did. And you know it.


I did? Where?


Do you read what you post?


Of course. Absolutely. For instance, where in my post is the word "acceptable" used?

See what I mean? Some of what Trump has said is not acceptable, I mean I'd never say it. But that's not nearly enough to consider voting for H. Clinton. Not by a LONG shot!





[Edited on 6/13/2016 by alloak41]

 

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  posted on 6/12/2016 at 10:22 PM

 

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