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  posted on 6/8/2016 at 10:58 AM
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Pretty obvious that's going to be the strategy used to defeat Trump. He's a racist. Go with that tactic and Hillary will lose. The race card has been so badly overplayed that the word racist doesn't even mean anything anymore. Most people are sick to death of the race card, and the one's that aren't wouldn't vote for a Republican anyway.


Should the judge in the Trump University case be recused because of his Hispanic heritage?



No opinion. I don't care either way. Nor do I care about the case. Opinions vary all over the map on whether the courses offered were beneficial or not. And ff high pressure selling was a crime we'd need a
lot more prisons.


In an interview, the Presidential candidate for your party infers that a judge is making unfair rulings against said candidate because the judge is "Mexican." You have no issue with that?

Or, maybe what it really is that just like George Bush or Sarah Palin, Republicans have absolutely no desire to hold their own candidates responsible for the things that actually come out of their mouths?

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  posted on 6/8/2016 at 11:01 AM
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Trump is NOT playing the race card. If you disagree, please provide a list of all the people he's accused of being racist.


So then, what card is he playing?


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TAPPER: What does this have to do with his heritage?

TRUMP: I'll tell you what it has to do. I've had ruling after ruling after ruling that's been bad rulings, OK? I've been treated very unfairly. Before him, we had another judge. If that judge was still there, this case would have been over two years ago. Let me just tell you, I've had horrible rulings, I've been treated very unfairly by this judge. Now, this judge is of Mexican heritage. I'm building a wall, OK? I'm building a wall. I am going to do very well with the Hispanics, the Mexicans --

TAPPER: So, no Mexican judge could ever be involved in a case that involves you?

TRUMP: Well, he's a member of a society, where -- you know, very pro- Mexico, and that's fine. It's all fine but --

TAPPER: Except that you're calling into question his heritage.

TRUMP: I think he should recuse himself.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2016 at 11:36 AM
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You make a lot of assumptions here. What makes you think I'm sick of reactions? I don't even care.

Didn't seem like much of a stretch since your exact words were "Most people are sick to death of the race card, and the one's that aren't wouldn't vote for a Republican anyway" but if you didn't mean to include yourself among "most people" and you are not sick to death of it then fine, I stand corrected.

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Trump is NOT playing the race card. If you disagree, please provide a list of all the people he's accused of being racist.

Just this week there is U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel and everyone in the media and anyone else who is asking questions about what he said about Judge Curiel...this is a direct quote from Trump: "The people asking those questions - they are the racists."

First he says a well-respected judge is a racist who can't do his job because of it, and then he says reporters are racists for doing their jobs and asking him about it. Politics sure is a nutty thing these days.







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  posted on 6/8/2016 at 01:09 PM
Who needs to attend a University when one can just donate to the global Clinton initiative, get hooked up with the right contacts, and have Bill and Hillary smooth out any issues? You want to mine uranium and need State Dept. Ok? No problem. Just pay a 500,000 tuition fee. Need to beef up your air defenses? Apply to take our mini course for only 750,000 (showing up is optional). How about some private tutoring? Slots are filling up fast. Gold bullion preferred.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2016 at 01:42 PM
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No opinion. I don't care either way. Nor do I care about the case. Opinions vary all over the map on whether the courses offered were beneficial or not. And ff high pressure selling was a crime we'd need a
lot more prisons.

High pressure selling is not a crime. Fraud is. The verdict isn't in yet on what went on at Trump U. You should care about the case if you want to be an informed voter. If not the facts of the case then at least be interested in the behavior of the would-be-president defendant. His actions when faced with adversity are telling, no?


Not to mention that Trump is now being investigated under the RICO Act,which could involve a long jail sentence for Trump. But Trump supporters only seem to care about investigations against Hillary. Personally, I think neither Hillary or Donald will be convinced of anything, because rich people with good lawyers almost never go to jail, but I think Trump will be writing out a bunch of large checks for fraud in the Trump U case.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2016 at 01:47 PM
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Who needs to attend a University when one can just donate to the global Clinton initiative, get hooked up with the right contacts, and have Bill and Hillary smooth out any issues? You want to mine uranium and need State Dept. Ok? No problem. Just pay a 500,000 tuition fee. Need to beef up your air defenses? Apply to take our mini course for only 750,000 (showing up is optional). How about some private tutoring? Slots are filling up fast. Gold bullion preferred.


Clever retort. What does any of it have to do with Donald Trump?

 

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  posted on 6/8/2016 at 03:32 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/08/charles-ko ch-team-donald-trump-campaign-meeting-republican-president/85597102/

Trump's aides reached out to the network “a couple weeks ago,” said Steve Lombardo, Koch Industries’ top spokesman. Koch said Mark Holden, Koch Industries’ general counsel and chairman of the network’s umbrella group, Freedom Partners Chamber of Commerce, would participate in the meeting.

The effort by Trump’s camp to court the Koch network represents a sharp reversal for the New York real-estate developer, who touted his ability to fund his own primary campaign and took to Twitter last August to mock five of his Republican rivals who flocked to a California seminar convened by Charles Koch and his brother David Koch.

“I wish good luck to all of the Republican candidates that traveled to California to beg for money etc. from the Koch Brothers,” Trump tweeted. “Puppets?”

 

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  posted on 6/8/2016 at 09:22 PM
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10 colorful Donald Trump insults from Mitt Romney's speech...


On Trump's business record:

"But you say, 'Wait wait wait,' isn't he a huge business success? Doesn't he know what he's talking about? No he isn't. And know he doesn't. His bankruptcies have crushed small businesses and the men and women who worked for them. He inherited his business, he didn't create it. And what ever happened to Trump Airlines? How about Trump University? And then there's Trump Magazine and Trump Vodka and Trump Steaks and Trump Mortgage. A business genius he is not."


On Trump's foreign policy credentials:

"Donald Trump tells us that he is very, very smart. I'm afraid that when it comes to foreign policy he is very, very not smart."


On whether Trump has the temperament of a president:

"This is an individual who mocked a disabled reporter, who attributed a reporter's questions to her menstrual cycle, who mocked a brilliant rival who happened to be a woman due to her appearance, who bragged about his marital affairs, and who laces his public speeches with vulgarity."


On how Trump recalls spending the Vietnam War years:

"There is dark irony in his boasts of his sexual exploits during the Vietnam War while at the same time John McCain, whom he has mocked, was imprisoned and tortured."


On Trump's "hallmark" quality:

"Dishonesty is Trump's hallmark: He claimed that he had spoken clearly and boldly against going into Iraq. Wrong. He spoke in favor of invading Iraq. He said he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating 9/11. Wrong. He saw no such thing. He imagined it. He's not of the temperament of the kind of stable, thoughtful person we need as leader. His imagination must not be married to real power."


On his very specific plan to defeat Trump in the primary:

"Given the current delegate selection process, that means that I'd vote for Marco Rubio in Florida, for John Kasich in Ohio, and for Ted Cruz or whichever one of the other two contenders has the best chance of beating Mr. Trump in a given state."


On Trump's less appealing "personal qualities":

"Think of Donald Trump's personal qualities, the bullying, the greed, the showing off, the misogyny, the absurd third grade theatrics. We have long referred to him as 'The Donald.' He is the only person in the entire country to whom we have added an article before his name. And it wasn't because he had attributes we admired."


On what Romney thinks is the most ridiculous idea of the campaign season so far:

"What he said on '60 Minutes' about Syria and ISIS has to go down as the most ridiculous and dangerous idea of the campaign season: Let ISIS take out Assad, he said, and then we can pick up the remnants. Think about that: Let the most dangerous terror organization the world has ever known take over a country? This is recklessness in the extreme."


On what would happen if Trump released his tax returns and a tape of his off-the-record conversation with The New York Times:

"I predict that there are more bombshells in his tax returns. I predict that he doesn't give much if anything to the disabled and to our veterans. I predict that he told The New York Times that his immigration talk is just that: talk. ... If I'm right (that he won't release either), you will have all the proof you need to know that Donald Trump is, indeed, a phony."


On the value of a diploma from Trump University:

"Here's what I know. Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University. He's playing the members of the American public for suckers: He gets a free ride to the White House and all we get is a lousy hat."


http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/mitt-romney-donald-trump-harsh-quote s

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  posted on 6/8/2016 at 09:27 PM
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Trump is NOT playing the race card. If you disagree, please provide a list of all the people he's accused of being racist.


So then, what card is he playing?




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  posted on 6/8/2016 at 09:35 PM
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You make a lot of assumptions here. What makes you think I'm sick of reactions? I don't even care.

Didn't seem like much of a stretch since your exact words were "Most people are sick to death of the race card, and the one's that aren't wouldn't vote for a Republican anyway" but if you didn't mean to include yourself among "most people" and you are not sick to death of it then fine, I stand corrected.
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I gladly stand by my statement. I'd venture to say that most people are sick of the race card, grossly overplayed to the point where is means next to nothing at this point.








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  posted on 6/8/2016 at 10:15 PM
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Trump is NOT playing the race card. If you disagree, please provide a list of all the people he's accused of being racist.


So then, what card is he playing?




Beats the hell out of me. Ask gondicar.


Why would I ask gondicar about something you posted?



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  posted on 6/9/2016 at 10:11 AM
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You make a lot of assumptions here. What makes you think I'm sick of reactions? I don't even care.

Didn't seem like much of a stretch since your exact words were "Most people are sick to death of the race card, and the one's that aren't wouldn't vote for a Republican anyway" but if you didn't mean to include yourself among "most people" and you are not sick to death of it then fine, I stand corrected.
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I gladly stand by my statement. I'd venture to say that most people are sick of the race card, grossly overplayed to the point where is means next to nothing at this point.

Ok, but then you shouldn't have acted so surprised when I "assumed" that you were sick of it when you are the one who is here complaining about it, saying "most people" are sick of it and that the only people who aren't won't ever vote republican anyway. Still seems pretty obvious to me that you are one of the people who think the "race card" has been overplayed and are sick of it, but you say you're not so whatever.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2016 at 10:13 AM
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Trump is NOT playing the race card. If you disagree, please provide a list of all the people he's accused of being racist.


So then, what card is he playing?




Beats the hell out of me. Ask gondicar.


From previous post (which I know alloak saw because he quoted the post in one of his replies but removed this part)...

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Trump is NOT playing the race card. If you disagree, please provide a list of all the people he's accused of being racist.

Just this week there is U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel and everyone in the media and anyone else who is asking questions about what he said about Judge Curiel...this is a direct quote from Trump: "The people asking those questions - they are the racists."






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  posted on 6/9/2016 at 12:33 PM
Trump's Dubious Drought Claims
The candidate said California has “no drought” and that water farmers need is being used to protect a “three-inch fish”

During a campaign rally in Fresno, Donald Trump made two misleading claims about California’s drought and water issues:

- Trump suggested “there is no drought” in California because the state has “plenty of water.” But California is in its fifth year of a severe “hot” drought, the kind that’s expected to become more frequent with global warming.

- He also said water is being shoved “out to sea” to protect a “three-inch fish” at the expense of farmers. But officials release fresh water from reservoirs primarily to prevent salt water from contaminating agricultural and urban water supplies.

On May 27, Trump met with farmers for a private half-hour meeting before his rally in Fresno, as reported by the Los Angeles Times. During his speech, Trump references this meeting, stating, “I just left 50 or 60 farmers in the back and they can’t get water. And I say, ‘How tough is it? How bad is the drought?’ ‘There is no drought. They turn the water out into the ocean.’” Earlier in this speech, he made similar claims:

Trump, May 27: You have a water problem that is so insane. It is so ridiculous, where they’re taking the water and shoving it out to sea. And I just met with a lot of the farmers, who are great people, and they’re saying, “We don’t even understand it” … I’ve heard it from other friends of mine in California, where they have farms up here and they don’t get water. And I said, “Oh that’s too bad. Is there a drought?” “No, we have plenty of water.” I said, “What’s wrong?” “Well, we shove it out to sea.” And I said, “Why?” And nobody even knows why. And the environmentalists don’t know why. Now, they’re trying to protect a certain kind of three-inch fish.

Trump also told his audience in Fresno that if he wins the election, “Believe me, we’re going to start opening up the water, so that you can have your farmers survive.” He added, “We’re going to get it done quick. Don’t even think about it. That’s an easy one.”

According to the New York Times, Trump is right that some farmers believe the preservation of fish species has caused the state’s water issues. In June 2015, the newspaper reported that, “Farmers in the Central Valley call it a ‘man-made drought,’ complaining that water needed for crops is going to fish instead.” Carly Fiorina, previously Hewlett-Packard’s CEO and a GOP candidate, also made similar claims when she was considering running for president last year.

But California’s water issues can’t be reduced to the preservation of a threatened fish species. Experts told us water management practices, the state’s natural climate and global warming have all contributed to the state’s current drought and water issues.

Full article: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-s-dubious-drought-claims/

 

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  posted on 6/9/2016 at 12:42 PM
Poll shows Pennsylvanians find Phillie Phanatic more qualified to be President than Donald Trump
By Enrico Campitelli June 08, 2016 3:00 PM

A recent poll released by Public Policy Polling shows that 46% of Pennsylvanians polled believe the Phillie Phanatic is more qualified to be President of the United States than Donald Trump.

Trump received 40% of the vote while 14% of the people surveyed were "not sure."

In case you were unfamiliar, the Phillie Phanatic is the fluffy green mascot of the Philadelphia Phillies who, if you want to get specific about it, was born in the Galapagos Islands and therefore isn't even eligible to be President of the United States. Sad!

He also doesn't speak, which if we're being honest, could be a tactic Trump could benefit from employing.



As for the specifics of the survey, you can check those out here: "Public Policy Polling surveyed 1,106 registered voters from June 3rd to 5th. The margin of error is +/- 3.0%. 80% of participants, selected through a list based sample, responded via the phone, while 20% of respondents who did not have landlines conducted the survey over the internet through an opt-in internet panel."

http://www.csnphilly.com/the700level/poll-shows-pennsylvanians-find-phillie -phanatic-more-qualified-be-president-donald-trump

 

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  posted on 6/9/2016 at 03:02 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-tru mp-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

USA TODAY exclusive: Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills

Steve Reilly, USA TODAY 3:47 p.m. EDT June 9, 2016
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Donald Trump casts himself as a protector of workers and jobs, but a USA TODAY NETWORK investigation found hundreds of people – carpenters, dishwashers, painters, even his own lawyers – who say he didn’t pay them for their work.

During the Atlantic City casino boom in the 1980s, Philadelphia cabinet-builder Edward Friel Jr. landed a $400,000 contract to build the bases for slot machines, registration desks, bars and other cabinets at Harrah's at Trump Plaza.

The family cabinetry business, founded in the 1940s by Edward’s father, finished its work in 1984 and submitted its final bill to the general contractor for the Trump Organization, the resort’s builder.

Edward’s son, Paul, who was the firm’s accountant, still remembers the amount of that bill more than 30 years later: $83,600. The reason: the money never came. “That began the demise of the Edward J. Friel Company… which has been around since my grandfather,” he said.

Donald Trump often portrays himself as a savior of the working class who will "protect your job." But a USA TODAY NETWORK analysis found he has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades — and a large number of those involve ordinary Americans, like the Friels, who say Trump or his companies have refused to pay them.

At least 60 lawsuits, along with hundreds of liens, judgments, and other government filings reviewed by the USA TODAY NETWORK, document people who have accused Trump and his businesses of failing to pay them for their work. Among them: a dishwasher in Florida. A glass company in New Jersey. A carpet company. A plumber. Painters. Forty-eight waiters. Dozens of bartenders and other hourly workers at his resorts and clubs, coast to coast. Real estate brokers who sold his properties. And, ironically, several law firms that once represented him in these suits and others.

Trump’s companies have also been cited for 24 violations of the Fair Labor Standards Act since 2005 for failing to pay overtime or minimum wage, according to U.S. Department of Labor data. That includes 21 citations against the defunct Trump Plaza in Atlantic City and three against the also out-of-business Trump Mortgage LLC in New York. Both cases were resolved by the companies agreeing to pay back wages.

In addition to the lawsuits, the review found more than 200 mechanic’s liens — filed by contractors and employees against Trump, his companies or his properties claiming they were owed money for their work — since the 1980s. The liens range from a $75,000 claim by a Plainview, N.Y., air conditioning and heating company to a $1 million claim from the president of a New York City real estate banking firm. On just one project, Trump’s Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, records released by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission in 1990 show that at least 253 subcontractors weren’t paid in full or on time, including workers who installed walls, chandeliers and plumbing.

The actions in total paint a portrait of Trump’s sprawling organization frequently failing to pay small businesses and individuals, then sometimes tying them up in court and other negotiations for years. In some cases, the Trump teams financially overpower and outlast much smaller opponents, draining their resources. Some just give up the fight, or settle for less; some have ended up in bankruptcy or out of business altogether.

Trump and his daughter Ivanka, in an interview with USA TODAY, shrugged off the lawsuits and other claims of non-payment. If a company or worker he hires isn’t paid fully, the Trumps said, it’s because The Trump Organization was unhappy with the work.

“Let’s say that they do a job that’s not good, or a job that they didn’t finish, or a job that was way late. I’ll deduct from their contract, absolutely,” Trump said. “That’s what the country should be doing.”

'Visibly winced'

To be sure, Trump and his companies have prevailed in many legal disputes over missing payments, or reached settlements that cloud the terms reached by the parties.

However, the consistent circumstances laid out in those lawsuits and other non-payment claims raise questions about Trump’s judgment as a businessman, and as a potential commander in chief. The number of companies and others alleging he hasn’t paid suggests that either his companies have a poor track record hiring workers and assessing contractors, or that Trump businesses renege on contracts, refuse to pay, or consistently attempt to change payment terms after work is complete as is alleged in dozens of court cases.

In the interview, Trump repeatedly said the cases were “a long time ago.” However, even as he campaigns for the presidency, new cases are continuing. Just last month, Trump Miami Resort Management LLC settled with 48 servers at his Miami golf resort over failing to pay overtime for a special event. The settlements averaged about $800 for each worker and as high as $3,000 for one, according to court records. Some workers put in 20-hour days over the 10-day Passover event at Trump National Doral Miami, the lawsuit contends. Trump’s team initially argued a contractor hired the workers, and he wasn’t responsible, and counter-sued the contractor demanding payment.

“Trump could have settled it right off the bat, but they wanted to fight it out, that’s their M.O.” said Rod Hannah, of Plantation, Fla., the lawyer who represented the workers, who he said are forbidden from talking about the case in public. “They’re known for their aggressiveness, and if you have the money, why not?”

Similar cases have cropped up with Trump’s facilities in California and New York, where hourly workers, bartenders and wait staff have sued with a range of allegations from not letting workers take breaks to not passing along tips to servers. Trump's company settled the California case, and the New York case is pending.

Trump's Doral golf resort also has been embroiled in recent non-payment claims by two different paint firms, with one case settled and the other pending. Last month, his company’s refusal to pay one Florida painter more than $30,000 for work at Doral led the judge in the case to order foreclosure of the resort if the contractor isn’t paid.

Juan Carlos Enriquez, owner of The Paint Spot, in South Florida, has been waiting more than two years to get paid for his work at the Doral. The Paint Spot first filed a lien against Trump’s course, then filed a lawsuit asking a Florida judge to intervene.

In courtroom testimony, the manager of the general contractor for the Doral renovation admitted that a decision was made not to pay The Paint Spot because Trump “already paid enough.” As the construction manager spoke, “Trump’s trial attorneys visibly winced, began breathing heavily, and attempted to make eye contact” with the witness, the judge noted in his ruling.

That, and other evidence, convinced the judge The Paint Spot’s claim was credible. He ordered last month that the Doral resort be foreclosed on, sold, and the proceeds used to pay Enriquez the money he was owed. Trump’s attorneys have since filed a motion to delay the sale, and the contest continues.

Enriquez still hasn’t been paid.

Unpaid hourly workers

Trump frequently boasts that he will bring jobs back to America, including Tuesday in a primary-election night victory speech at his golf club in suburban New York City. “No matter who you are, we're going to protect your job,” Trump said Tuesday. “Because let me tell you, our jobs are being stripped from our country like we're babies.”

But the lawsuits show Trump’s organization wages Goliath vs David legal battles over small amounts of money that are negligible to the billionaire and his executives — but devastating to his much-smaller foes.

In 2007, for instance, dishwasher Guy Dorcinvil filed a federal lawsuit against Trump’s Mar-A-Lago Club resort in Palm Beach, Fla., alleging the club failed to pay time-and-a-half for overtime he worked over three years and the company failed to keep proper time records for employees.

Mar-A-Lago LLC agreed to pay Dorcinvil $7,500 to settle the case in 2008. The terms of the settlement agreement includes a standard statement that Mar-A-Lago does not admit fault and forbids Dorcinvil or his lawyers from talking about the case, according to court records.

Developers with histories of not paying contractors are a very small minority of the industry, said Colette Nelson, chief advocacy officer of the American Subcontractors Association. But late or missing payments can be devastating for small businesses and their employees.

“Real estate is a tough and aggressive business, but most business people don’t set out to make their money by breaking the companies that they do business with,” she said, stressing she couldn’t speak directly to the specifics of cases in Trump’s record. “But there are a few.”

In the interview, Trump said that complaints represent a tiny fraction of his business empire and dealings with contractors and employees, insisting all are paid fairly. “We pay everybody what they’re supposed to be paid, and we pay everybody on time,” he said. “And we employ thousands and thousands of people. OK?”

The slot-machine cabinets

Despite the Trumps’ assertion that their companies' only refuse payment to contractors “when somebody does a bad job,” he has sometimes offered to hire those same contractors again. It’s a puzzling turn of events, since most people who have a poor experience with a contractor, and who refuse to pay and even fight the contractor in court, aren’t likely to offer to rehire them.

Nevertheless, such was the case for the Friels. After submitting the final bill for the Plaza casino cabinet-building in 1984, Paul Friel said he got a call asking that his father, Edward, come to the Trump family’s offices at the casino for a meeting. There Edward, and some other contractors, were called in one by one to meet with Donald Trump and his brother, Robert Trump.

“He sat in a room with nine guys,” Paul Friel said. “We found out some of them were carpet guys. Some of them were glass guys. Plumbers. You name it.”

In the meeting, Donald Trump told his father that the company’s work was inferior, Friel said, even though the general contractor on the casino had approved it. The bottom line, Trump told Edward Friel, was the company wouldn't get the final payment. Then, Friel said Trump added something that struck the family as bizarre. Trump told his dad that he could work on other Trump projects in the future.

“Wait a minute,” Paul Friel said, recalling his family's reaction to his dad’s account of the meeting. “Why would the Trump family want a company who they say their work is inferior to work for them in the future?”

Asked about the meeting this week, Trump said, “Was the work bad? Was it bad work?” And, then, after being told that the general contractor had approved it, Trump added, “Well, see here’s the thing. You’re talking about, what, 30 years ago?”

Ivanka Trump added that any number of disputes over late or deficient payments that were found over the past few decades pale in comparison to the thousands of checks Trump companies cut each month.

“We have hundreds of millions of dollars of construction projects underway. And we have, for the most part, exceptional contractors on them who get paid, and get paid quickly,” she said, adding that she doubted any contractor complaining in court or in the press would admit they delivered substandard work. “But it would be irresponsible if my father paid contractors who did lousy work. And he doesn’t do that.”

But, the Friels’ story is similar to experiences of hundreds of other contractors over the casino-boom decade in Atlantic City. Legal records, New Jersey Casino Control Commission records and contemporaneous local newspaper stories recounted time and again tales about the Trumps paying late or renegotiating deals for dimes on the dollar.

A half-decade after the Friels’ encounter, in 1990, as Trump neared the opening of his third Atlantic City casino, he was once again attempting to pay contractors less than he owed. In casino commission records of an audit, it was revealed that Trump’s companies owed a total of $69.5 million to 253 subcontractors on the Taj Mahal project. Some already had sued Trump, the state audit said; others were negotiating with Trump to try to recover what they could. The companies and their hundreds of workers had installed walls, chandeliers, plumbing, lighting and even the casino’s trademark minarets.

One of the builders was Marty Rosenberg, vice president of Atlantic Plate Glass Co., who said he was owed about $1.5 million for work at the Taj Mahal. When it became clear Trump was not going to pay in full, Rosenberg took on an informal leadership role, representing about 100 to 150 contractors in negotiations with Trump.

Rosenberg’s mission: with Trump offering as little as 30 cents on the dollar to some of the contractors, Rosenberg wanted to get as much as he could for the small businesses, most staffed by younger tradesmen with modest incomes and often families to support.

“Yes, there were a lot of other companies," he said of those Trump left waiting to get paid. "Yes, some did not survive."

Rosenberg said his company was among the lucky ones. He had to delay paying his own suppliers to the project. The negotiations led to him eventually getting about 70 cents on the dollar for his work, and he was able to pay all of his suppliers in full.

Unpaid based on 'whimsy'

The analysis of Trump lawsuits also found that professionals, such as real estate agents and lawyers, say he's refused to pay them sizable sums of money. Those cases show that even some loyal employees, those selling his properties and fighting for him in court, are only with him until they’re not.

Real estate broker Rana Williams, who said she had sold hundreds of millions of dollars in Manhattan property for Trump International Realty over more than two decades with the company, sued in 2013 alleging Trump shorted her $735,212 in commissions on deals she brokered from 2009 to 2012. Williams, who managed as many as 16 other sales agents for Trump, said the tycoon and his senior deputies decided to pay her less than her contracted commission rate “based on nothing more than whimsy.”

Trump and Williams settled their case in 2015, and the terms of the deal are confidential, as is the case in dozens of other settlements between plaintiffs and Trump companies.

However, Williams' 2014 deposition in the case is not sealed. In her sworn testimony, Williams said the 2013 commission shortage wasn't the only one, and neither was she the only person who didn't get fully paid. “There were instances where a sizable commission would come in and we would be waiting for payment and it wouldn’t come,” she testified. “That was both for myself and for some of the agents.”

Another broker, Jennifer McGovern, filed a similar lawsuit against the now-defunct Trump Mortgage LLC in 2007, citing a six-figure commission on real-estate sales that she said went unpaid. A judge issued a judgment ordering Trump Mortgage to pay McGovern $298,274.

Turning the tables on lawyers

Even Trump’s own attorneys, on several occasions, sued him over claims of unpaid bills.

One law firm that fought contractors over payments and other issues for Trump — New York City’s Morrison Cohen LLP — ended up on the other side of a similar battle with the mogul in 2008. Trump didn’t like that its lawyers were using his name in press releases touting its representation of Trump in a lawsuit against a construction contractor that Trump claimed overcharged him for work on a luxury golf club.

As Trump now turned his ire on his former lawyers, however, Morrison Cohen counter-sued. In court records, the law firm alleged Trump didn’t pay nearly a half million dollars in legal fees. Trump and his ex-lawyers settled their disputes out of court, confidentially, in 2009.

In 2012, Virginia-based law firm Cook, Heyward, Lee, Hopper & Feehan filed a lawsuit against the Trump Organization for $94,511 for legal fees and costs. The case was eventually settled out of court. But as the case unfolded, court records detail how Trump's senior deputies attacked the attorneys' quality of work in the local and trade press, leading the firm to make claims of defamation that a judge ultimately rejected on free speech grounds.

'Tons of these stories out there'

Trump claims in his presidential personal financial disclosure to be worth $10 billion as a result of his business acumen. Many of the small contractors and individuals who weren’t paid by him haven’t been as fortunate.

Edward Friel, of the Philadelphia cabinetry company allegedly shortchanged for the casino work, hired a lawyer to sue for the money, said his son, Paul Friel. But the attorney advised him that the Trumps would drag the case out in court and legal fees would exceed what they’d recover.

The unpaid bill took a huge chunk out of the bottom line of the company that Edward ran to take care of his wife and five kids. “The worst part wasn’t dealing with the Trumps,” Paul Friel said. After standing up to Trump, Friel said the family struggled to get other casino work in Atlantic City. “There’s tons of these stories out there,” he said.

The Edward J. Friel Co. filed for bankruptcy on Oct. 5, 1989.

Says the founder's grandson: “Trump hits everybody.”

Contributing: John Kelly, Nick Penzenstadler, Karen Yi, David McKay Wilson

 

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  posted on 6/10/2016 at 10:19 AM
No excuse. If this the above is true, Trump should square any past due accounts in which he owes money and do so immediately.
 

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No excuse. If this the above is true, Trump should square any past due accounts in which he owes money and do so immediately.

What if he doesn't?

 

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A good man honors his debts. trump is NOT a "good man".
 

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this was my favorite part......

However, the consistent circumstances laid out in those lawsuits and other non-payment claims raise questions about Trump’s judgment as a businessman, and as a potential commander in chief. The number of companies and others alleging he hasn’t paid suggests that either his companies have a poor track record hiring workers and assessing contractors, or that Trump businesses renege on contracts, refuse to pay, or consistently attempt to change payment terms after work is complete as is alleged in dozens of court cases.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2016 at 10:44 AM
new Trump story

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/nyregion/donald-trump-atlantic-city.html? _r=0

How Donald Trump Bankrupted His Atlantic City Casinos, but Still Earned Millions

 

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A good man honors his debts. trump is NOT a "good man".


All due respect pops42 but again -- if he was all-the louse/racist/anti-woman candidate that people have tried to slag him with, personally I don't see how he could've gained the nomination

I don't know politics & have no horse in the race -- people do tend to side w/the underdog tho -- that aspect of things IMO is helping his campaign

 

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new Trump story

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/nyregion/donald-trump-atlantic-city.html? _r=0

How Donald Trump Bankrupted His Atlantic City Casinos, but Still Earned Millions


All of these stories in their totality point out that Trump is a specialist at gaming the system. I mean what kind of a billionaire stiffs the dishwasher? Can this type of specialty--and this appears all Trump is capable of doing--be useful to the presidency where the role is to serve the people and not game them?

 

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A good man honors his debts. trump is NOT a "good man".


All due respect pops42 but again -- if he was all-the louse/racist/anti-woman candidate that people have tried to slag him with, personally I don't see how he could've gained the nomination

I don't know politics & have no horse in the race -- people do tend to side w/the underdog tho -- that aspect of things IMO is helping his campaign
He gained the nomination by appealing to the WORST of human traits [lowest common denominator] appealing to the ignorant, the same fools who fell for [trump university] "he's gonna make me wealthy just like him!, because he LOVES the under-educated!" these rubes believe trump's lies about "building a wall that mexico will pay for" "bringing back all the jobs that went overseas" and doing away with "nafta" "cafta" and "TPP".
The guy is a turd, who thinks its his birthright to burn hardworking people out of their rightfully earned money, because, thats how he was raised. A story I have told before: a good friend of mine named Rick Ballard, went to choate in wallingford ct. with a teen aged trump, who was such an a$$hole and hated by all, that somebody winged him in the forehead with a compass [the kind that is metallic point on one side, pencil on the other] stuck right in his forehead, and nobody would rat on the student who did it.

 

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A good man honors his debts. trump is NOT a "good man".


All due respect pops42 but again -- if he was all-the louse/racist/anti-woman candidate that people have tried to slag him with, personally I don't see how he could've gained the nomination

I don't know politics & have no horse in the race -- people do tend to side w/the underdog tho -- that aspect of things IMO is helping his campaign
He gained the nomination by appealing to the WORST of human traits [lowest common denominator] appealing to the ignorant, the same fools who fell for [trump university] "he's gonna make me wealthy just like him!, because he LOVES the under-educated!" these rubes believe trump's lies about "building a wall that mexico will pay for" "bringing back all the jobs that went overseas" and doing away with "nafta" "cafta" and "TPP".
The guy is a turd, who thinks its his birthright to burn hardworking people out of their rightfully earned money, because, thats how he was raised. A story I have told before: a good friend of mine named Rick Ballard, went to choate in wallingford ct. with a teen aged trump, who was such an a$$hole and hated by all, that somebody winged him in the forehead with a compass [the kind that is metallic point on one side, pencil on the other] stuck right in his forehead, and nobody would rat on the student who did it.


Let me add to what pops said - specifically to the following questions raised:

"All due respect pops42 but again -- if he was all-the louse/racist/anti-woman candidate that people have tried to slag him with, personally I don't see how he could've gained the nomination."

Response - Trump appeals to a certain percentage of the primary GOP electorate. Mathematically this is a percentage of a percentage. It was not so difficult to trash talk and insult his way into the victory of the percentage game of the GOP primary. It becomes a totally different game when he now must compete with the percentages of the electorate that don't swallow his mantra (the aforementioned all-the louse/racist/anti-woman candidate). What % of the non GOP electorate do you think Trump can expect to jump ship to ride in his boat? As time moves towards November, it will probably play out that the means he used to secure the GOP nomination probably won't translate to a General Election body of voters. The problem is Trump is Trump and can't help himself & in spite of himself. This is who he is, and I'm just guessing that's enough to alienate too many people and with all the degrading, stupid / childish nicknames, and bigoted rhetoric, I doubt he can win enough electoral college votes.

 
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