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  posted on 9/21/2014 at 11:04 PM
I wish I had gone. I have nothing but great memories from the no-nukes marches some 35 years ago. I've read the estimated turn out was between 300,000 and 400,000 people. I've participated in several anti-war marches during the Bush era that were smaller or close in size. Attending a mass demonstration sure beats signing internet petitions.

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  posted on 9/22/2014 at 06:09 AM
It won't change the mind of the science deniers/Koch Brothers big oil and coal knob polishers one bit.

 

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Today the protests moved to Wall Street.

 

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  posted on 9/22/2014 at 08:39 PM
From what I have seen from this demonstration is more heat than light and it seems that it was more a indictment of capitalism and free market economics and advocacy of collectivism than anything else. I am all for the promotion of ecological hygiene and reducing CO2; however, I did not hear many reasoned arguments how we can transform our hydrocarbon based practices to one of a multi sourced one. Solar, wind and tidal while not without merits are not going to be able to keep up with demand and in some instances-as in the case of wind-can become liabilities. Additionally, those that promote reducing consumption and conservation would be better served by not having celebrities who sail on yachts and fly on private jets serving as a spokespeople, and if Robert Kennedy is going to excoriate the Koch Brothers then he should cease receiving dividends from Mokeen Oil, Kenoil, and Arctic Oil. Environmentalist should be more scrutinizing of those that they put at the forefront of their agenda and live by their own playbook.

 

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I wonder how many rode in their cars to the rally, one and two at a time?
Plus, why waste your time, climate is cyclic. There's nothing we can do to change it.

 

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I wonder how many rode in their cars to the rally, one and two at a time?
Plus, why waste your time, climate is cyclic. There's nothing we can do to change it.


Denial, it's just not a river in Egypt.

 

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From what I have seen from this demonstration is more heat than light and it seems that it was more a indictment of capitalism and free market economics and advocacy of collectivism than anything else. I am all for the promotion of ecological hygiene and reducing CO2; however, I did not hear many reasoned arguments how we can transform our hydrocarbon based practices to one of a multi sourced one. Solar, wind and tidal while not without merits are not going to be able to keep up with demand and in some instances-as in the case of wind-can become liabilities. Additionally, those that promote reducing consumption and conservation would be better served by not having celebrities who sail on yachts and fly on private jets serving as a spokespeople, and if Robert Kennedy is going to excoriate the Koch Brothers then he should cease receiving dividends from Mokeen Oil, Kenoil, and Arctic Oil. Environmentalist should be more scrutinizing of those that they put at the forefront of their agenda and live by their own playbook.


We live in a society that makes it difficult to not engage in some form of hypocrisy. At least these Americans are doing more than signing internet petitions. One person changing their personal habits will do nothing to reverse the man made poisoning of the Earth. Scotty it is interesting to see you judge the entire movement by the actions of a few. Should I judge every veteran of Vietnam by the actions of Lt. Calley?

These people are making a sacrifice to try to make the world a better place. I don't think that anything about that protest hurts you, or anyone else.

Environmentalist are many times just idealistic kids or new Mothers worried about the health of their children.

I'm surprised you would denigrate these Patriots exercising a Constitutional Right that you personally sacrificed.

Regarding solar, wind, and tidal not keeping up - I'm not at all convinced. We know that solar is getting less expensive. These are young technologies that improve every year. You know there were a lot of people who said cars would not replace the horse drawn wagon and that computers would not replace typewriters. You have seen enormous change because of science and invention. I'm not willing to throw in the towel on new forms of clean energy that do not add carbon to the atmosphere.

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I wonder how many rode in their cars to the rally, one and two at a time?
Plus, why waste your time, climate is cyclic. There's nothing we can do to change it.




How's that paper mill in Macon smelling these days? Does it stink as much as it did 45 years ago? Of course not. Why? Congress passed laws that required scrubbers and filters that remove the toxins and curtail the stench before the waste if released into the air.

Change is slow but America has cleaned up our act. In the 60's you could barely see the George Washington Bridge because of the red haze generated by the lead in the gasoline used by all the cars. We got the lead out, thanks to new laws and regulation and the air quality improved.

The world wide No-Nukes rallies of 1979 ended the building of nuclear power plants. At least in the United States. I took part in those demonstrations and am proud that they stopped tax payer money from being used to build dangerous nuclear power plants.

I'm also proud of the Bonus Marchers, and the people of my Grandmother's generation who participated in the labor movement and earned better wages and living conditions for future generations of Americans.

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From what I have seen from this demonstration is more heat than light and it seems that it was more a indictment of capitalism and free market economics and advocacy of collectivism than anything else.


Please give me an example of how free market economics works within today's oil industry.

You posted a revealing article on how the NFL takes advantage of the the average American through a system of power and influence. How is that different than the subsidies showered on big oil?

 

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  posted on 9/23/2014 at 05:17 PM
this is........you decide and insert adjective

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Hey Global Warming kids. going back to NYC to clean up your trash?

The height of hypocrisy: Climate change marchers trash NYC

Michael F. Haverluck (OneNewsNow.com) Tuesday, September 23, 2014

After around 400,000 reportedly gathered in New York City on Sunday for the “People’s Climate March,” a bit more than a carbon footprint was left behind by environmentalists admonishing the world to stop polluting to prevent alleged global warming.

With many expecting that "green" gala to be a squeaky clean event, replete with recycling bins and reusable drinking containers, many were shocked to see the piles of garbage strewn across the marching route. The litter-laden aftermath of the event (see photo from Twitter to the right) had many climate-change skeptics questioning the heart behind the movement.

“This week in New York City somewhere around 400,000 litterbugs descended on the Big Apple, and not to celebrate the wonderful news that the planet hasn't warmed in 18 years,” commented columnist John Nolte of Breitbart. “Instead, they gathered to do, uhm, whatever this is, and to pretend Global Warming is real and dire, so that those pushing this phony crisis can tell the rest of us what to do and how to live our lives.”

Nolte expressed some frustration with what he considered hypocrisy by those promoting and defending a movement that demands Americans and citizens of the world to produce less trash and clean up the environment.

“You would think that the one thing environmental fanatics and those of us who are not fascists could agree on is that only arrogant scumbags are litterbugs,” Nolte continued. “Unfortunately … we can't even enjoy some common ground on that one point. Climate fanatics are indeed arrogant litterbugs. But when you know the mainstream media will cover for your piggish behavior, why not?”

Not only questioning their integrity, Nolte questions environmentalists’ sincerity when it comes to their apocalyptic belief that pollutants generated by an overpopulated planet will result in its ultimate destruction.

“Do people who honestly believe the planet is in jeopardy behave this way?” Nolte asks. “Or drive to protests in cars? Or live in the Hollywood Hills [environmentalist actor Leonardo DeCaprio]? Or star in carbon-belching Hollywood blockbusters [The Avengers’ Mark Ruffalo who played the Hulk]? Or fly in private jets [global-warming lecturer Al Gore]?

"Nope."

Practicing what they preach?

At the event, some celebrities were questioned whether the big names in politics and on the big screen are doing their part and holding true to the green ideals they espouse in the media.

When approached at the People’s Climate March and asked about the polluting habits of major names endorsing the green environmentalist movement, actor Ruffalo - who opposes fracking and supports Occupy Wall Street - asserted that it isn’t right to condemn DiCaprio and Gore for their high-carbon emissions.

“Oh brother,” Ruffalo retorted to Climate Depot. “That is a question you shouldn’t be asking here today because that defies the spirit of what this is about.”

Shortly after winning an Oscar for his documentary An Inconvenient Truth - which warned the world about the cataclysmic dangers of “global warming” induced by gross polluters -Gore received much backlash over an article in 2007 that exposed the gargantuan carbon footprint left by his 10,000-square-foot Tennessee mansion.

It was reported that the climate change guru - who has received $150,000 per lecture on the subject at American universities - was receiving gas and electric bills averaging around $30,000 a year in 2005 and 2006 for his 20-room (plus eight-bathroom) Nashville home. He had also received some flak over his “gas-guzzling” SUV after telling America to buy fuel-efficient, eco-friendly cars.

Driving the planet 'green'?

Many environmentalists driving to the People’s Climate March in cars were under scrutiny by conservatives for the carbon emissions they produced to meet in the Big Apple and protest such emissions. But even if they drove up in a Prius or a Smart car, would they be doing earth a favor? Experts and researchers aren’t on board with the green government when it comes to cars.

With Gore, President Barack Obama, and state governments promoting the use of hybrid and electric cars, as Americans receive thousands of dollars in government kickbacks — including tax incentives for driving green cars, as well as driving and parking privileges — many believe that such automobiles are unquestionably good for the environment, or at least better than fully gas-powered cars.

In recent years, many experts have come out decrying these “environmentally friendly” cars as being more hazardous to the environment than conventionally powered cars.

Ozzie Zehner, who engineered electric cars for GM, is no longer a green car enthusiast, and has dedicated much of his time as a visiting scholar at the University of California, Berkeley, trying to set the record straight. He is intent on exposing the misinformation that the environmentalist movement — propagated by the government — has disseminated about the superior environmental impact of supposedly environmentally friendly cars.

“A National Academies’ study considered multiple dimensions of electric vehicles’ associated effects — such as ‘vehicle construction, fuel extraction, refining, emissions, and other factors’ — and ‘concluded that the vehicles’ lifetime health and environmental damages (excluding long-term climatic effects) are actually greater than those of gasoline-powered cars’; in fact, ‘the study found that an electric car is likely worse than a car fueled exclusively by gasoline derived from Canadian tar sands,” reported Zehner, author of Green Illusions, in his article “Unclean at Any Speed,” published in IEEE Spectrum. “Even assuming 2030 vehicle technology and grid enhancements, the National Academies concluded that the health and nonclimate damage from electric cars would still exceed the damage from conventional fueling options.”

He also mentions the grave environmental hazards seen in the manufacturing of electric-powered cars’ batteries, not to mention the environmental toll of discarding them.

“The extraction and processing of materials found in batteries — such as lithium, copper, and nickel — ‘demand energy and can release toxic wastes,’” Zehner continued. “In addition, extracting them in poorly regulated areas imperials not only workers, but also ‘surrounding populations through air and groundwater contamination.’”

Zehner mentions numerous studies warning about the hazards of green cars — information that governments reportedly suppress while promoting the environmental “benefits” of electric and hybrid cars.

“When electric cars’ total effects are considered, the level of ‘greenhouse-gas’ emissions associated with them is only marginally lower than that associated with gas or diesel vehicles,” Zehner argues. “A Norwegian study drew similar conclusions, stating that all things considered, ‘electric vehicles consistently perform worse or on par with modern internal combustion engine vehicles, despite virtually zero direct emissions during operation.’ A University of Tennessee study of electric vehicles in China also concluded that their effects were, on balance, worse than those of conventional autos.”

Playing make-believe?

Nolte doesn’t believe many of those propagating and supporting the green movement care too much about the real impact of their environmentally unfriendly actions — including the overall emissions generated by the “eco-friendly” cars they drive.

“People who believe a real crisis is inevitable live and behave as though a real crisis is inevitable,” Nolte argues. “If you’re looking for scientific proof that climate change is a hoax, look no further than the way in which these doomsday grifters and profiteers live.”

Nolte believes that being a part of the trending movement is enough for many climate-change alarmists, but he resents the added expenses and inconveniences their green agenda puts on the rest of Americans.

“This environmental movement is all about The Arrogant using a phony crisis as an excuse to push their Dark Age beliefs on the rest of us,” Nolte concludes. “Except for environmentalists and the media who cover up for them, everyone can agree that they hate a litterbug.”


 

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  posted on 9/24/2014 at 03:35 PM
Muleman? You got kids? Grandkids? Do you really want them growing up in a toxic environment? Do you want your grandchildren suffer from emphysema and other horrific respiratory ailments because the air is too polluted to provide a healthy environment?

What is wrong with you? How can you possibly support more not less pollution? What went wrong? Why do you hate the planet?

 

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Muleman? You got kids? Grandkids? Do you really want them growing up in a toxic environment? Do you want your grandchildren suffer from emphysema and other horrific respiratory ailments because the air is too polluted to provide a healthy environment?

What is wrong with you? How can you possibly support more not less pollution? What went wrong? Why do you hate the planet?

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Nest time you see AL Gore, ask him how the "predictions" in his movie are panning out.
Also ask him how exactly the carbon credits system will work on the commodities market.

You won't get an answer. Al will be jumping in his SUV to take him back to the airport and his private jet.


 

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You don't see that fighting against carbon emissions is more far reaching than "global warming"?

You don't see poisonous air as a threat to your children and grandchildren?

You are actually pro-poison air?

What happened to you man?

 

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You don't see that fighting against carbon emissions is more far reaching than "global warming"?

You don't see poisonous air as a threat to your children and grandchildren?

You are actually pro-poison air?

What happened to you man?


He's low info and proud of it.

 

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10 fact-checks about climate change

By Angie Drobnic Holan on Tuesday, September 23rd, 2014 at 12:48 p.m.

1. "Climate change is a hoax." - Pants on Fire.


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Earlier this year we looked at a detailed video from Louisiana congressional candidate Lenar Whitney, who repeated the assertion that climate change is a hoax. We found -- as we have before -- that there’s an overwhelming consensus among respected scientists that human-caused global warming is real. In this fact-check, we looked at some of Whitney’s supporting evidence to argue that global warming is a hoax and found that it was weak. We rated her statement Pants on Fire.

2. The United States is the leading nation in the world "with the highest amount of doubt about the conventional wisdom of climate change." - Mostly True.

Talk show host Rush Limbaugh says he doesn’t believe in climate change, and he gives himself the credit for convincing others of the same. Recent reports showed the United States is the leading nation in the world "with the highest amount of doubt about the conventional wisdom of climate change," Limbaugh said in July.

Aside from Limbaugh’s bragging, PunditFact looked at recent studies on global opinions on health care. We found that that a good proportion of developing countries have higher rates of doubt than the United States. But among its peers, the United States is one of the most -- if not, the most -- skeptical when it comes to believing climate change has human factors. So we rated Limbaugh’s statement Mostly True.

3. "Virtually no Republican" in Washington accepts climate change science. - Mostly True.

California has been in the forefront of new regulations to address the carbon emissions that are causing climate change. Gov. Jerry Brown said that’s in part because Washington won’t act. Brown told journalist George Stephanopolous in May that "there's virtually no Republican who accepts the science that virtually is unanimous. ... There's just political denial for various reasons, best known to those people who are in denial."

We found relatively few Republican members of Congress who accept the prevailing scientific conclusion that global warming is both real and man-made; we named them in our fact-check and concluded that Brown’s qualified statement was Mostly True.

4. Cap and trade legislation "was originally a Republican idea." - Mostly True.

Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz also serves as a member of Congress who represents parts of south Florida. She said in May that rising sea levels and flooding will make part of her district uninhabitable in the future, and she called for Republican support on solutions, singling out a cap and trade plan as an area where the parties could agree.

"That was originally a Republican idea. It was developed in the 1970s when the Clean Air Act was initially adopted," she said.

PolitiFact Florida recapped the history of cap and trade and found that Wasserman Schultz was largely correct, though it’s important to note that Democrats supported cap and trade at key points. We rated her statement Mostly True.

5. Surface temperatures on Earth "have stabilized." - Mostly False.

Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., has repeatedly questioned the need for proposals that address climate change, but he often tries to do it without sounding anti-science.

In an interview on Fox News in May, Rubio said he never denied that the climate was changing, but he also said that "the left loves to go around saying there is a consensus" when there is no consensus on the sensitivity of the climate, "which is why, despite 17 years of dramatic increases in carbon production by humans, surface temperatures (on) the earth have stabilized."

Rubio has a point that over roughly the past 15 years, global surface temperatures have plateaued, particularly compared to their rapid rise in previous decades. But scientists we interviewed said the evidence suggests that the pause is temporary, with temperatures poised to rise once the oceans start releasing more heat. We rated Rubio’s claim Mostly False.

6. "NASA scientists fudged the numbers to make 1998 the hottest year to overstate the extent of global warming." - Pants on Fire.

Fox News host Steve Doocy repeated something that’s been all over the Internet: the claim that scientists have fixed numbers to make 1998 the hottest year.

PunditFact found that scientists have adjusted historical data to account for weather stations that have moved or when temperatures were recorded at different times of day. That’s hardly the same thing as fudging the numbers in pursuit of a political agenda. We rated Doocy’s statement Pants on Fire.

7. New carbon regulations will increase electric bills by "$17 billion every year" and "potentially put an average of 224,000 more people out of work every year." - False.

In June, President Barack Obama unveiled tough new regulations on existing power plants that seek to significantly curb carbon emissions in the coming decades.

Republicans said it would kill jobs, raise electric prices and hurt the economy. On his website, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said"The president’s plan would indeed cause a surge in electricity bills — costs stand to go up $17 billion every year. But it would also shut down plants and potentially put an average of 224,000 more people out of work every year."

Those numbers aren’t correct, though, because they were calculated for more dramatic restrictions than what the Obama administration actually proposed. The study’s authors even said they don’t apply to what the administration put forward. So we rated the statement False.

8. "What (the Obama administration is) going to come out with in the next several months is you're not even going to be able to burn coal very limitedly in the existing plants." - False.

U.S. Rep. Shelley Moore Capito, a Republican running for Senate in West Virginia, released a campaign ad saying that Obama’s regulations meant the end of burning coal in existing coal plants.

"The president's come out with rules that say 'no new coal-fired power plants,’ " Capito says. "But what he's going to come out with in the next several months is you're not even going to be able to burn coal very limitedly in the existing plants."

She was referring to plans that will force cuts to carbon emissions in some existing power plants, but those rules do not prohibit the burning of coal. States and power companies have options to continue to utilize coal for energy, and experts said they expect coal to remain part of the national portfolio for years to come. We rated the statement False.

9. "Only 3 percent of voters 18 to 34 don't believe that climate change is really happening." - True.

Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., said Republicans should come around on climate change because voters will eventually demand it. "We have to tell Republicans that if they ultimately want to stop the hemorrhaging from young voters in this country, they need to start paying attention to this issue, because only 3 percent of voters 18 to 34 don't believe that climate change is really happening," he said.

The polling on this particular question is limited, but the polling that has been done supports Murphy’s carefully worded statement. We rated it True.

10. "There are already more American jobs in the solar industry than in coal mining." - True.

U.S. Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse delivers regular Senate speeches about the dangers of climate change and authors commentary on the topic. In May, he argued that addressing climate change makes economic sense, adding, "There are already more American jobs in the solar industry than in coal mining."

PolitiFact Rhode Island found that the most recent data from three objective sources support his claim. We rated his statement True.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2014 at 01:14 PM
Back to my original question, why did the “marchers” and just throw their trash on the ground and not clean up their mess?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2765426/Climate-change-protesters-m arched-Manhattan-branded-hypocrites-leaving-litter-strewn-city.html

The hypocrisy of the global warming fools is amazing. While screaming for people to not drive their cars or use any fossil fuel transportation they themselves have no problem driving low-mileage vehicles and using jets.

None of you questions Al Gore’s claims of impending doom while his predictions are being proven false. Notably his “Inconvenient Truth” farce was slammed by a British court. The judge in that case required that the crapumentary had to include an introduction that “the following is a political message and not based on actual science”?

Solar and wind generated energy cannot yet supply the power required. You people protest but have no answers. Oh yea, you have not yet determined how to store the energy either.
Waving signs on the street doesn’t solve anything.

Speaking of protesting, we have not seen you marching in Tiananmen Square; located in the number one polluting country. When will we see that march?

While you did manage to trash the streets of NYC, you have yet to have any effect.


 

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The hypocrisy of the global warming fools is amazing. While screaming for people to not drive their cars or use any fossil fuel transportation they themselves have no problem driving low-mileage vehicles and using jets.


I've not heard anyone screaming. Nor have I heard anyone say don't drive a car or use fossil fuel. If you think that is happening you are hearing voices and should probably seek a mental health evaluation.

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Solar and wind generated energy cannot yet supply the power required. You people protest but have no answers. Oh yea, you have not yet determined how to store the energy either.
Waving signs on the street doesn’t solve anything.


The protests, 35 years ago in NYC against Nuclear Energy were very successful. I'm proud to have taken a part and very proud that no nuclear power plant has been built in the United States since those protests. Demonstrations can be very effective. In fact they can be more effective than voting when it comes down to making lasting and important change. Demonstrations are one of the hallmarks of a democracy.

You are obviously anti-democracy, anti-freedom, and anti-American.

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Back to my original question, why did the “marchers” and just throw their trash on the ground and not clean up their mess?


It isn't their job to clean up the mess from a permitted demonstration. Have you ever been to a big demonstration or parade in NYC? What about Mardis Gras in New Orleans? Who cleans up those messes? Why don't the people who make the messes responsible for the clean up?

Are you really that ignorant as to the role of municipal government?

 

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Muleman? You got kids? Grandkids? Do you really want them growing up in a toxic environment? Do you want your grandchildren suffer from emphysema and other horrific respiratory ailments because the air is too polluted to provide a healthy environment?

What is wrong with you? How can you possibly support more not less pollution? What went wrong? Why do you hate the planet?


Do you consider carbon to be toxic and/or a pollutant?

 

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The hypocrisy of the global warming fools is amazing. While screaming for people to not drive their cars or use any fossil fuel transportation they themselves have no problem driving low-mileage vehicles and using jets.


I've not heard anyone screaming. Nor have I heard anyone say don't drive a car or use fossil fuel. If you think that is happening you are hearing voices and should probably seek a mental health evaluation.

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Solar and wind generated energy cannot yet supply the power required. You people protest but have no answers. Oh yea, you have not yet determined how to store the energy either.
Waving signs on the street doesn’t solve anything.


The protests, 35 years ago in NYC against Nuclear Energy were very successful. I'm proud to have taken a part and very proud that no nuclear power plant has been built in the United States since those protests. Demonstrations can be very effective. In fact they can be more effective than voting when it comes down to making lasting and important change. Demonstrations are one of the hallmarks of a democracy.

You are obviously anti-democracy, anti-freedom, and anti-American.

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Back to my original question, why did the “marchers” and just throw their trash on the ground and not clean up their mess?


It isn't their job to clean up the mess from a permitted demonstration. Have you ever been to a big demonstration or parade in NYC? What about Mardis Gras in New Orleans? Who cleans up those messes? Why don't the people who make the messes responsible for the clean up?

Are you really that ignorant as to the role of municipal government?



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So you are saying it is okay to litter because it is the responsibility of the tax payers to clean it up?

One would think that the so-called environmentalists would not litter but there they go and crying that someone else should clean up their mess.

Same folks that use fossil fuel vehicles and yell at other people for doing the same thing.

Hypocrites.

Same liberals who vilified President Bush for fighting the war of terror but when Obama does the same thing… not a peep.

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Do you consider carbon to be toxic and/or a pollutant?


Do you mean the inert chemical element? What does that have to do with this topic?

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And I asked him tell where are you going, this he told me:
Well, I'm going down to Yasgur's farm, going to join in a rock and roll band.
Got to get back to the land, set my soul free.
We are stardust, we are golden, we are billion year old carbon,
And we got to get ourselves back to the garden.

Well, then can I walk beside you? I have come to lose the smog.
And I feel like I'm a cog in something turning.
And maybe it's the time of year, yes, and maybe it's the time of man.
And I don't know who I am but life is for learning.
We are stardust, we are golden, we are billion year old carbon,
And we got to get ourselves back to the garden.

By the time we got to Woodstock, we were half a million strong,
And everywhere there was song and celebration.
And I dreamed I saw the bombers jet planes riding shotgun in the sky,
Turning into butterflies above our nation.

We are stardust, we are golden, we caught in the devil's bargain,
And we got to get ourselves back to the garden.



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So you are saying it is okay to litter because it is the responsibility of the tax payers to clean it up?


Touchdown! That's exactly what I said. You are a genius Muleman! Your grasp of debate and your reading comprehension are truly phenomenal.

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Same folks that use fossil fuel vehicles and yell at other people for doing the same thing.



With your superior intellect I can't imagine what you would accomplish if only you get those voices in your head to stop yelling.

[Edited on 9/25/2014 by BillyBlastoff]

 

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Do you consider carbon to be toxic and/or a pollutant?


Do you mean the inert chemical element? What does that have to do with this topic?

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"Woodstock"

Well I came across a child of God, he was walking along the road
And I asked him tell where are you going, this he told me:
Well, I'm going down to Yasgur's farm, going to join in a rock and roll band.
Got to get back to the land, set my soul free.
We are stardust, we are golden, we are billion year old carbon,
And we got to get ourselves back to the garden.

Well, then can I walk beside you? I have come to lose the smog.
And I feel like I'm a cog in something turning.
And maybe it's the time of year, yes, and maybe it's the time of man.
And I don't know who I am but life is for learning.
We are stardust, we are golden, we are billion year old carbon,
And we got to get ourselves back to the garden.

By the time we got to Woodstock, we were half a million strong,
And everywhere there was song and celebration.
And I dreamed I saw the bombers jet planes riding shotgun in the sky,
Turning into butterflies above our nation.

We are stardust, we are golden, we caught in the devil's bargain,
And we got to get ourselves back to the garden.



quote:
So you are saying it is okay to litter because it is the responsibility of the tax payers to clean it up?


Touchdown! That's exactly what I said. You are a genius Muleman! Your grasp of debate and your reading comprehension are truly phenomenal.

quote:
Same folks that use fossil fuel vehicles and yell at other people for doing the same thing.



With your superior intellect I can't imagine what you would accomplish if only you get those voices in your head to stop yelling.

[Edited on 9/25/2014 by BillyBlastoff]

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Typical response. Unable to address the actual questions you go off on some intelligible rant.

It is no wonder why so many people laugh at the global warming fools.


 

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  posted on 9/25/2014 at 08:22 PM
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The hypocrisy of the global warming fools is amazing. While screaming for people to not drive their cars or use any fossil fuel transportation they themselves have no problem driving low-mileage vehicles and using jets.


I've not heard anyone screaming. Nor have I heard anyone say don't drive a car or use fossil fuel. If you think that is happening you are hearing voices and should probably seek a mental health evaluation.

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Solar and wind generated energy cannot yet supply the power required. You people protest but have no answers. Oh yea, you have not yet determined how to store the energy either.
Waving signs on the street doesn’t solve anything.


The protests, 35 years ago in NYC against Nuclear Energy were very successful. I'm proud to have taken a part and very proud that no nuclear power plant has been built in the United States since those protests. Demonstrations can be very effective. In fact they can be more effective than voting when it comes down to making lasting and important change. Demonstrations are one of the hallmarks of a democracy.

You are obviously anti-democracy, anti-freedom, and anti-American.

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Back to my original question, why did the “marchers” and just throw their trash on the ground and not clean up their mess?


It isn't their job to clean up the mess from a permitted demonstration. Have you ever been to a big demonstration or parade in NYC? What about Mardis Gras in New Orleans? Who cleans up those messes? Why don't the people who make the messes responsible for the clean up?

Are you really that ignorant as to the role of municipal government?



___________________________________________

So you are saying it is okay to litter because it is the responsibility of the tax payers to clean it up?

One would think that the so-called environmentalists would not litter but there they go and crying that someone else should clean up their mess.

Same folks that use fossil fuel vehicles and yell at other people for doing the same thing.

Hypocrites.

Same liberals who vilified President Bush for fighting the war of terror but when Obama does the same thing… not a peep.

Hypocrites






Your not really going to compare Bush getting us into two unwinnable wars and making a trainwreck of the Middle East to Obama trying to clean up the mess he created are you? Sorry that was a rhetorical question

 

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I wish I had gone. I have nothing but great memories from the no-nukes marches some 35 years ago. I've read the estimated turn out was between 300,000 and 400,000 people. I've participated in several anti-war marches during the Bush era that were smaller or close in size. Attending a mass demonstration sure beats signing internet petitions.

Rave on Activists! Rave on!
The real irony comes from the statement about the No-Nukes rally many decades ago. Had we not adopted the cultural stupidity of being so anti-nuke, our carbon emissions could be far lower today than they are. Nuclear power is the only practical means to achieve that.

Ask the French. 80% of their power comes from nuclear sources.

Our mistake was starting from the wrong nuclear strategy of using the fuel once, and then not re-processing it. The French breeder system re-uses the fuel over and over, dramatically lowering the waste volume.

But we're so far down the anti-nuke stupidity hole that ideas like re-processing the waste, or new reactor designs that can't melt down, are not even considered.

Enjoy the carbon, all you climate change advocates! It's the legacy of your previous activism that we're all now living with. Bravo!

 

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  posted on 9/27/2014 at 11:07 AM
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I wish I had gone. I have nothing but great memories from the no-nukes marches some 35 years ago. I've read the estimated turn out was between 300,000 and 400,000 people. I've participated in several anti-war marches during the Bush era that were smaller or close in size. Attending a mass demonstration sure beats signing internet petitions.

Rave on Activists! Rave on!
The real irony comes from the statement about the No-Nukes rally many decades ago. Had we not adopted the cultural stupidity of being so anti-nuke, our carbon emissions could be far lower today than they are. Nuclear power is the only practical means to achieve that.

Ask the French. 80% of their power comes from nuclear sources.

Our mistake was starting from the wrong nuclear strategy of using the fuel once, and then not re-processing it. The French breeder system re-uses the fuel over and over, dramatically lowering the waste volume.

But we're so far down the anti-nuke stupidity hole that ideas like re-processing the waste, or new reactor designs that can't melt down, are not even considered.

Enjoy the carbon, all you climate change advocates! It's the legacy of your previous activism that we're all now living with. Bravo!
Tell it to the victims of chernobyl and fukoshima.

 

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  posted on 9/27/2014 at 11:54 AM
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I wish I had gone. I have nothing but great memories from the no-nukes marches some 35 years ago. I've read the estimated turn out was between 300,000 and 400,000 people. I've participated in several anti-war marches during the Bush era that were smaller or close in size. Attending a mass demonstration sure beats signing internet petitions.

Rave on Activists! Rave on!
The real irony comes from the statement about the No-Nukes rally many decades ago. Had we not adopted the cultural stupidity of being so anti-nuke, our carbon emissions could be far lower today than they are. Nuclear power is the only practical means to achieve that.

Ask the French. 80% of their power comes from nuclear sources.

Our mistake was starting from the wrong nuclear strategy of using the fuel once, and then not re-processing it. The French breeder system re-uses the fuel over and over, dramatically lowering the waste volume.

But we're so far down the anti-nuke stupidity hole that ideas like re-processing the waste, or new reactor designs that can't melt down, are not even considered.

Enjoy the carbon, all you climate change advocates! It's the legacy of your previous activism that we're all now living with. Bravo!
Tell it to the victims of chernobyl and fukoshima.
But all you climate experts claim that the carbon is gonna now destroy the whole planet!

Seems like quite a conundrum for some of you.

 

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  posted on 9/27/2014 at 02:09 PM
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The real irony comes from the statement about the No-Nukes rally many decades ago. Had we not adopted the cultural stupidity of being so anti-nuke, our carbon emissions could be far lower today than they are. Nuclear power is the only practical means to achieve that.


I can get you a deal on lots of acreage in Chernobyl.

Fuji - I usually look forward to a reasoned debate when I see you have posted. But the idea that one melt down is worth the risk of nuclear power is absurd.

Not only is the danger unacceptable but so is the shell game. Who financed the Three Mile Island Nuclear Power Plant? Who paid for the clean up?

Who profited?

There is no conundrum for me. Your pie in the sky horse shut regarding reprocessing nuclear waste and unbreakable reactor cores are unproven science fiction fantasies.

Nice to see you return to posting. Sorry to see you aren't yourself. Get well soon.

 

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