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  posted on 5/23/2014 at 02:36 PM
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Bad memories? Try all the Liberals who, in their fervor to defend the passage of Obamacare, were forced into the unfortunate position of defending the VA hospital system.

Now they're coming out of the woodwork having to convince everyone that the VA has been horrible going back years and years and they knew it all along.

Too funny.

 

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Bad memories? Try all the Liberals who, in their fervor to defend the passage of Obamacare, were forced into the unfortunate position of defending the VA hospital system.

Now they're coming out of the woodwork having to convince everyone that the VA has been horrible going back years and years and they knew it all along.

Too funny.

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Bad memories? Try all the Liberals who, in their fervor to defend the passage of Obamacare, were forced into the unfortunate position of defending the VA hospital system.

Now they're coming out of the woodwork having to convince everyone that the VA has been horrible going back years and years and they knew it all along.

Too funny.

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Like who, what?

 

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Bad memories? Try all the Liberals who, in their fervor to defend the passage of Obamacare, were forced into the unfortunate position of defending the VA hospital system.


I think you are confusing the VA hospital system with military health care. The health care I received as a child was provided by Uncle Sam. They took good care of me and I'll defend that system until the day I die. That system is truly socialized medicine and I advocate more of the same. Obamacare is not socialized medicine.

The VA system is an overtaxed system that has not met the needs of our veterans for decades. Not only is it broken but the fixing of the waiting periods shows a severe level of corruption designed to avoid accountability.

The VA system is not the same as Obamacare either.

 

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Bad memories? Try all the Liberals who, in their fervor to defend the passage of Obamacare, were forced into the unfortunate position of defending the VA hospital system.


I think you are confusing the VA hospital system with military health care. The health care I received as a child was provided by Uncle Sam. They took good care of me and I'll defend that system until the day I die. That system is truly socialized medicine and I advocate more of the same. Obamacare is not socialized medicine.

The VA system is an overtaxed system that has not met the needs of our veterans for decades. Not only is it broken but the fixing of the waiting periods shows a severe level of corruption designed to avoid accountability.

The VA system is not the same as Obamacare either.


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You are correct, however the conservative and GOP strategy is to couple anything & everything with Obamacare. Just yesterday in a press conference John Boehner tried to wed immigration reform and Obamacare. When the GOP wakes up from its long long nap and finds something of substance to be "for" as opposed to be "against everything", then maybe the country can move forward.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jorge-ramos-john-boehner-immigration? utm_content=bufferd59cc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&am p;utm_campaign=buffer

 

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When the GOP wakes up from its long long nap and finds something of substance to be "for" as opposed to be "against everything", then maybe the country can move forward.


Agreed. Hating government for the sake of hate at the expense of any solution is not a sustainable form of governance.

They have effectively drowned the government although instead of shrinking it to fit inside a bathtub they bought a much larger tub.

 

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Bad memories? Try all the Liberals who, in their fervor to defend the passage of Obamacare, were forced into the unfortunate position of defending the VA hospital system.

Now they're coming out of the woodwork having to convince everyone that the VA has been horrible going back years and years and they knew it all along.

Too funny.

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Like who, what?

Really? Thought it was a simple question, but see bold above.

 

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  posted on 5/23/2014 at 07:09 PM
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Bad memories? Try all the Liberals who, in their fervor to defend the passage of Obamacare, were forced into the unfortunate position of defending the VA hospital system.

Now they're coming out of the woodwork having to convince everyone that the VA has been horrible going back years and years and they knew it all along.

Too funny.


Just like Fox news making nonsense up as he goes.

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He learned from the best.

 

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Bad memories? Try all the Liberals who, in their fervor to defend the passage of Obamacare, were forced into the unfortunate position of defending the VA hospital system.

Now they're coming out of the woodwork having to convince everyone that the VA has been horrible going back years and years and they knew it all along.

Too funny.

Like who?


Like who, what?

Really? Thought it was a simple question, but see bold above.


Don't expect him to find any posts or proof or anything. You'll just have to take his word on it because if he remembered it, regardless of the fact that nobody else remembered it, it must have happened.

And I'm still trying to figure out what the VA has to do with Obamacare.

 

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Bad memories? Try all the Liberals who, in their fervor to defend the passage of Obamacare, were forced into the unfortunate position of defending the VA hospital system.

Now they're coming out of the woodwork having to convince everyone that the VA has been horrible going back years and years and they knew it all along.

Too funny.

Like who?


Like who, what?

Really? Thought it was a simple question, but see bold above.


Don't expect him to find any posts or proof or anything. You'll just have to take his word on it because if he remembered it, regardless of the fact that nobody else remembered it, it must have happened.

And I'm still trying to figure out what the VA has to do with Obamacare.


1. How about Paul Krugman, for instance? He operates from a fairly influential platform. Krugman wrote more than one article that praised the efficiency and effectiveness of the VA. As a matter of fact, he laid out the advantages and didn't have a problem linking those to Obamacare.

2. Both massive government bureaucracies dealing with the delivery of healthcare? I'd say that makes them more similar than dissimilar.






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The VA system is not the same as Obamacare


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I made this up too.....Enjoy.

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2. Both massive government bureaucracies dealing with the delivery of healthcare? I'd say that makes them more similar than dissimilar.


Maybe in the same sense that the NASA building spacecraft and the government writing traffic safety laws are both bureaucracies that deal with transportation make them more similar than different.

 

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Bad memories? Try all the Liberals who, in their fervor to defend the passage of Obamacare, were forced into the unfortunate position of defending the VA hospital system.


The health care I received as a child was provided by Uncle Sam. They took good care of me and I'll defend that system until the day I die. That system is truly socialized medicine and I advocate more of the same.


The VA is truly socialized medicine, too. Completely run by the government and single-payer. Why doesn't it work properly?

 

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Bad memories? Try all the Liberals who, in their fervor to defend the passage of Obamacare, were forced into the unfortunate position of defending the VA hospital system.


The health care I received as a child was provided by Uncle Sam. They took good care of me and I'll defend that system until the day I die. That system is truly socialized medicine and I advocate more of the same.


The VA is truly socialized medicine, too. Completely run by the government and single-payer. Why doesn't it work properly?


Now your actually making a good and reasonable point. The VA is socialized medicine, and is a perfect model of what can happen when it all goes wrong. The VA has been neglected for year after year and nobody seemed to care. Obama seemed to care when he was campaigning, but then like everyone else he never made it a priority. Socialized medicine will only work if it is a top priority. Something everybody cares about. Unfortunately, everyone says to "support the troops," but when it comes down to "putting your money where your mouth is," Republicans would prefer tax breaks for their favorite donors or to support a weapon program for their district and Democrats would rather keep funding for their favorite pet program, whatever that may be. When it comes down to it, vets are never a priority for anybody these days. It's shameful!

 

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The VA is truly socialized medicine, too. Completely run by the government and single-payer. Why doesn't it work properly?


Good question. Especially since the health care I experienced for active duty personnel did work.

 

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The VA is truly socialized medicine, too. Completely run by the government and single-payer. Why doesn't it work properly?

Because of Obamacare, of course.

 

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The VA is truly socialized medicine, too. Completely run by the government and single-payer. Why doesn't it work properly?

Because of Obamacare, of course.



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Dr. Ben Carson thinks the VA disaster is a "gift from God".

What a patriot.


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Appearing on Fox News, former neurosurgeon and Tea Party favorite Dr. Ben Carson, described the scandal currently enveloping the Department of Veterans Affairs as a “gift from God.”

Using the problems at the VA, involving backlogged waiting lists full of veterans seeking medical care, Carson attempted to link the scandal to the Affordable Care Act which he opposes.

“I think what’s happening with the veterans is a gift from God to show us what happens when you take layers and layers of bureaucracy and place them between the patients and the health care provider,” Carson explained. “And if we can’t get it right, with the relatively small number of veterans, how in the world are you going to do it with the entire population?”


Carson previously called Obamacare, “…the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery.”

Saying he was speaking to both Democrats and Republicans, Carson said, “Stop, and think about the people. You know, you guys are servants, you’re not rulers. So, first of all, get that out of your mind. And think about what we can do with the problems we have to solve in this nation, which are substantial. Some of which threaten to destroy our nation; our fiscal responsibility. We can deal with these things, quite easily.”

In Carson’s book, America The Beautiful, he wrote that Americans should accept a two-tiered system of healthcare.

“Everyone has different needs and we do not have to have a one-size-fits-all system. Because one person drives a Chevrolet and another drives a Mercedes, it doesn’t automatically mean that the Chevrolet driver is deprived or needs some supplement, ” he wrote. “The fact is, he can get to the same place as a Mercedes driver with perhaps slightly less comfort. People have different medical needs and some can afford the Chevrolet plan while others can afford the Mercedes plan. We should leave it at that and not try to micromanage people’s lives as long as the care is adequate.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/25/tea-party-favorite-dr-ben-carson-call s-veteran-affairs-waiting-list-scandal-a-gift-from-god/

 

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I think the ranking member of the Senate Committee on Veterans Affairs would be at least as responsible for the VA debacle as President Obama. Why hasn't he done anything?

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Veterans Groups Rip Into Sen. Richard Burr For Questioning Their Priorities
Posted: 05/25/2014 1:01 pm EDT Updated: 05/25/2014 1:59 pm EDT Print Article

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WASHINGTON -- A highly bitter war of words has broken out between veterans organizations and the ranking member of the Senate Committee on Veterans Affairs amid the brewing controversy over health care for former servicemen and servicewomen.

Late Friday afternoon before the Memorial Day weekend, Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) penned an “open letter to America’s Veterans” in which he took several veterans service groups to task for being insufficiently critical of Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki.

Burr accused the groups (with the exception of the American Legion) of being more invested in maintaining access to the secretary than with fixing a troubled health care system. He questioned why they haven't called for a leadership change at the VA, and pointedly charged the groups’ leaders with not caring about the health and well-being of their members.

Burr’s letter was in response to the testimony that Shinseki and seven of these veteran service organizations (VSO) had given before his committee the week prior, concerning revelations and allegations of long wait times, bureaucratic malfeasance and insufficient care at the VA.

Not surprisingly, leaders at the veterans groups Burr named were not pleased with the letter.

In their own letter, Veterans of Foreign Wars responded to Burr by calling his letter a “monumental cheap-shot” and labeling it “one of the most dishonorable and grossly inappropriate acts that we’ve witnessed in more than forty years of involvement with the veteran community.” If the tone wasn’t clear, the group added that Burr’s conduct and allegations were “ugly and mean-spirited in every sense of the words and profoundly wrong, both logically and morally,” in addition to breaching “the standards of the United States Senate.”

The Veterans of Foreign Wars letter was by no means the only forceful reply. Paralyzed Veterans of America wrote Burr on Saturday telling him that he “should be ashamed” of himself. His letter, they added, “clearly displays why the vast majority of the American public puts no faith in their elected officials to do what is right for this country.”

Disabled American Veterans offered their own response that under normal circumstances would seem harsh, but compared to the others came off as diplomatic.

“Regrettably,” the group wrote on its website, “Senator Burr shows no interest in pursuing serious policy solutions, preferring instead to launch cheap political attacks on the integrity of leaders of veterans organizations that do not agree with him.”

It is not uncommon for politicians and outside groups to get into heated battles over policy; certainly less so when (like now) there is a brewing scandal over an issue as critical as health care for veterans. But it is rare that the back-and-forth becomes so rancorous so quickly. And it doesn’t necessarily bode well for the prospects of emerging from the current crisis surrounding the VA with a comprehensive, agreed-upon set of reforms.

What rankled the groups, a source close to one of them said, was not just that Burr questioned their motives on the eve of Memorial Day. It was also that Burr sent the letter after sparsely attending the hearings he found so offensive, and not raising concerns about the groups' positions on the issue while he was there.

Of the seven groups that testified before Burr's committee, the three above are the only ones to have responded so far. Burr praised the American Legion in his open letter for calling on Shinseki to resign, so it stands to reason that it won’t be issuing a response. The other three groups that have not weighed in so far are Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, Student Veterans of America and Vietnam Veterans of America.
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Dr. Ben Carson thinks the VA disaster is a "gift from God".

What a patriot.


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Appearing on Fox News, former neurosurgeon and Tea Party favorite Dr. Ben Carson, described the scandal currently enveloping the Department of Veterans Affairs as a “gift from God.”

Using the problems at the VA, involving backlogged waiting lists full of veterans seeking medical care, Carson attempted to link the scandal to the Affordable Care Act which he opposes.

“I think what’s happening with the veterans is a gift from God to show us what happens when you take layers and layers of bureaucracy and place them between the patients and the health care provider,” Carson explained. “And if we can’t get it right, with the relatively small number of veterans, how in the world are you going to do it with the entire population?”


Carson previously called Obamacare, “…the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery.”

Saying he was speaking to both Democrats and Republicans, Carson said, “Stop, and think about the people. You know, you guys are servants, you’re not rulers. So, first of all, get that out of your mind. And think about what we can do with the problems we have to solve in this nation, which are substantial. Some of which threaten to destroy our nation; our fiscal responsibility. We can deal with these things, quite easily.”

In Carson’s book, America The Beautiful, he wrote that Americans should accept a two-tiered system of healthcare.

“Everyone has different needs and we do not have to have a one-size-fits-all system. Because one person drives a Chevrolet and another drives a Mercedes, it doesn’t automatically mean that the Chevrolet driver is deprived or needs some supplement, ” he wrote. “The fact is, he can get to the same place as a Mercedes driver with perhaps slightly less comfort. People have different medical needs and some can afford the Chevrolet plan while others can afford the Mercedes plan. We should leave it at that and not try to micromanage people’s lives as long as the care is adequate.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/25/tea-party-favorite-dr-ben-carson-call s-veteran-affairs-waiting-list-scandal-a-gift-from-god/


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Bad memories? Try all the Liberals who, in their fervor to defend the passage of Obamacare, were forced into the unfortunate position of defending the VA hospital system.


The health care I received as a child was provided by Uncle Sam. They took good care of me and I'll defend that system until the day I die. That system is truly socialized medicine and I advocate more of the same.


The VA is truly socialized medicine, too. Completely run by the government and single-payer. Why doesn't it work properly?


Now your actually making a good and reasonable point. The VA is socialized medicine, and is a perfect model of what can happen when it all goes wrong. The VA has been neglected for year after year and nobody seemed to care. Obama seemed to care when he was campaigning, but then like everyone else he never made it a priority. Socialized medicine will only work if it is a top priority. Something everybody cares about. Unfortunately, everyone says to "support the troops," but when it comes down to "putting your money where your mouth is," Republicans would prefer tax breaks for their favorite donors or to support a weapon program for their district and Democrats would rather keep funding for their favorite pet program, whatever that may be. When it comes down to it, vets are never a priority for anybody these days. It's shameful!


Doesn't happen often, but I agree with you. The VA is my primary healthcare provider and it is frustrating as hell, the things you have to do just to get an appointment, much less getting treatment in a timely manner. There have been several times that I have had to go to a local doctor or hospital to get treated and paid for it out of my own pocket.

 

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There must really be a big difference in how each hospital works. In the Dublin VA hospital seems like everyone gets along. The long term patients consider it home and have built up a good support system for each other there. Vets from WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and later conflicts will set up volleyball and basket ball courts at the end of hallways. They will also set up the various "toss" type games. I've sat and watched some of the younger wheel chair bound vets play flag football in the larger corridors on weekends.
The guys, and gals, look out for one another.
The local high school has all their sports teams named "The Veterans" and whoever can make it to a game is welcome.
There is a fishing lake on the property, baseball fields, pathways for wheelchair travel through the property, there's even a drill field (if you've ever been in the military, you'll know what I mean).
The doctors, nurses, and staff really care for the vets. Many doctors have funny sounding names and speak with unfamiliar accents. Once you get past the unfamiliar, you see that they want to give the best care possible.

Go back 50 years ago and the common feeling of going into that hospital was fear and trepidation. Overworked staff, experimental programs (lsd and other new drugs were tested on the vets), spread of infectious diseases, and the phrase "let's just keep him comfortable" were the norm back then.

They rose from that by hiring more staff, cutting back on administrators, and placing the health of the vets as #1 priority.

The disgrace of the VA seems that they put in administrators who believed in cost cutting procedures rather
than taking care of the vets. I think that the bonuses were paid out according to how much the administrator could "save" by cost cutting rather than giving proper health care to the vets.

So yeah, let's go back and see when these administrators were named, and when they were told to put in their programs.

Whoever voted for these programs or implemented them should be immediately placed into military service and posted as the rear echelon of the troop draw down. Let them be the last to leave the war zones.

 

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