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  posted on 4/28/2014 at 11:16 AM
This is an interesting story and would like to have a more serious discussion about it than that other thread. While his words were surely ignorant and hypocritical, I believe he is the victim. The man was being secretly recorded in the privacy of his own home, and clearly set-up by the woman, who was bending over backwards to get him to say something racist. I don't defend his words, and I find them repulsive, but what would some of our tapes sound like if we were being secretly recorded in our homes? We all have a right to privacy and an expectation of privacy. Unless you are plotting a crime, nobody should be punished for what they say while being secretly recorded. If anyone should be punished, it's the woman for violating his rights. Does anyone know the law about this?
 
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  posted on 4/28/2014 at 11:26 AM
None of us yet know what the facts are about the circumstances of the taping of this senile old fool. So your basis for discusion is premature as well.




Our sources say ... Sterling is keenly aware V. Stiviano is in possession of more than 100 hours of recordings ... some of which are extremely damaging to Sterling's reputation.

Our sources say Stiviano told Sterling to call her lawyer ... and thereby opened the door to settlement discussions. It's obvious the incentive for Sterling is to make sure the rest of the tapes never see the light of day.

TMZ Sports contacted Stiviano's lawyer Mac E. Nehoray ... who had no comment.

We know Stiviano is extremely upset that the Clippers and Donald Sterling publicly embraced a lawsuit filed by Sterling's wife Shelly against Stivianio, claiming she stole $1.8 million from Donald.

As for why Stiviano taped so many conversations ... as TMZ Sports reported, she told friends the Clippers owner WANTED her to record him and he knew he was being recorded ... partly because he frequently forgot what he said and the tapes refreshed his memory ... at least that's her story.

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  posted on 4/28/2014 at 03:37 PM
I can't beleive anyone would attend tomorrow's home game for Clippers or any after that. If I had tickets I would sit on them and ask NBA for a refund. They are as implicit in this as the owner. NBA must have heard racist droolings from this guy in the past.

Same goes for the Clippers players. Showing up and playing for a win would not be my top priority. The only way to get this guy tossed is to go through the motions for next 2 games and see what NBA does in the next 6 months.

Any player that shows up and actiually tries to win game is only helping owner and NBA's cause. Dan Patrick states that players will show up and try. Why would you???? This is a huge issue and no one is talking about a fans revolt but I am sure NBA is **** ting their pants that fans are going to turn their backs on Owner and NBA especially the non-white folks.

NBA should be acting as quick as possible to get this guy gone or suffer the consequences.

 

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  posted on 4/28/2014 at 04:03 PM
I disagree 100%. By having the fans boycott and players throw the game, they automatically let a racist a-hole take away what they love - the game and its integrity. Why should the fans and players be the ones to suffer and lose what they love? Do you really think the loss of ticket sales is going to hurt this billionaire? The Clippers have sucked for 30 years and he still made a ton of dough off the franchise. And now that they are finally good, they should throw the game and fans should stay away? No way.
 

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  posted on 4/28/2014 at 05:35 PM
You don't think by attending the game, buying his popcorn, beer and merchandise shows that public supports the owners views?

And you think the players want to play for this guy? IMO playing for owner makes them look like followers not leaders.

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  posted on 4/28/2014 at 06:00 PM
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I disagree 100%. By having the fans boycott and players throw the game, they automatically let a racist a-hole take away what they love - the game and its integrity. Why should the fans and players be the ones to suffer and lose what they love? Do you really think the loss of ticket sales is going to hurt this billionaire? The Clippers have sucked for 30 years and he still made a ton of dough off the franchise. And now that they are finally good, they should throw the game and fans should stay away? No way.


Well said. The players and coach have worked hard to carve out a winning season. The fans have invested time and money in watching a winning team emerge. They should not suffer because of the words of the owner.

I believe that with each generation the United States is experiencing less racism. The guy is 80 years old. He'll be dead soon and with him will die his racism.

 

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OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) -- Golden State coach Mark Jackson has a suggestion for fans of both the Warriors and the Clippers: Don't show up for Game 5 in Los Angeles on Tuesday night.

Jackson was responding to questions Monday about how fans in Los Angeles should react to the purported comments of Clippers owner Donald Sterling telling a woman not to bring black people to his games or associate with them. The Warriors coach said: ''I believe if it was me, I wouldn't come to the game. I believe the fans, the loudest statement that they can make as fans is to not show up to the game.''

Jackson said players have families to worry about and are getting paid to be there but fans ''cannot allow someone with these feelings to profit.''

 

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  posted on 4/28/2014 at 06:14 PM
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I disagree 100%. By having the fans boycott and players throw the game, they automatically let a racist a-hole take away what they love - the game and its integrity. Why should the fans and players be the ones to suffer and lose what they love? Do you really think the loss of ticket sales is going to hurt this billionaire? The Clippers have sucked for 30 years and he still made a ton of dough off the franchise. And now that they are finally good, they should throw the game and fans should stay away? No way.


Well said. The players and coach have worked hard to carve out a winning season. The fans have invested time and money in watching a winning team emerge. They should not suffer because of the words of the owner.

I believe that with each generation the United States is experiencing less racism. The guy is 80 years old. He'll be dead soon and with him will die his racism.


I agree, the players have worked hard to make the playoffs. They should be able to go as far as their talent will take them. Same thing with the fans. If I had a ticket, I would still go since the money is already spent, although I wouldn't be spending money on beer and popcorn at the game. But, if I did decide to not go I would be giving my ticket away to a disadvantaged black kid instead of tossing it in the trash.

 

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I believe that with each generation the United States is experiencing less racism. The guy is 80 years old. He'll be dead soon and with him will die his racism.


So do nothing to standup against racism but wait for the bigot to die??? That makes no sense. If there are no consequences for his latest action and the actions of the last 80 years what does that do to stop racisim from trickling down to those younger around him? Do you think he just started being a racist recently?

http://www.thenation.com/blog/179551/donald-sterling-slumlord-billionaire

Who gives a **** about the integrity of the game? The NBA has been harbouring this racist **** for years. You figure folks should show up because the players have worked hard all year for a bigot and you think all should let by gones be by gones and keep on playing hard because he is 81 and won't be around in a couple of years? I would hope the players are feeling as duped as anyone.

Not sure which would dissapoint me more, the fans showing up to watch "their" team or the players even trying in the shoot around tomorrow night.

 

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  posted on 4/28/2014 at 07:09 PM
Regardless of anyone's viewpoint, whether he was the victim or not, he said what he said and it is now in the public record - period. The NBA won't have to do a thing as I would suggest in a very short period of time, players, fans and sponsors will walk awayt from this bigot and he will have no choice but to sell the team or fold it. Basketball at the end of the day is a game like all other sports and when the line gets crossed as it has here moral suaision will prevail and turn it into an economic nightmare for him and the league. Every day that goes by that he does nothing this will continue to get worse for all involved. He is not a stupid man and he did not get the wealth he did by not understanding commerce and how it works. For as big as his ego may be, he will soon realize that it is not as big as his bank account and he will move on disgraced and hated by the majority.........my 2 cents.

 

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  posted on 4/28/2014 at 07:52 PM
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You don't think by attending the game, buying his popcorn, beer and merchandise shows that public supports the owners views?


No, I don't think it shows that at all. I think it shows that they won't let ignorance get in the way of their love for the team and the game. True fans of the Clippers are fans of the team and its players, not Donald Sterling. The owner shouldn't get in the way of that.

If people want to see the fans boycott the game as a symbolic gesture, then fine, but a fan who decides to attend because they love the Clippers should not be criticized. There is no right or wrong way to handle it as a fan.

A loss of ticket sales willl not hurt him financially.....he just won't make as much. Before 3 years ago, Clippers games were empty for 30 years. This franchise is probably only one of his business ventures anyway.

 

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And do not think for a second that Donald Sterling is the only racist owner. He's the one who just happened to get caught, because he was secretly recorded in the privacty of his own home and betrayed. If we had a recorder in every sports franchise owner's home, or any professional athlete, we'd hear much worse than what Sterling said. My point is, the extreme public demonization is becoming way overblown, and a bit unfair to single him out as the only one. And all the reactions from the players and coaches are 100% correct in their assessment of his words, but lets keep it real.....everyone chastizing him has most likely said things just as offensive at one point in their lives. This reminds me of the Paula Dean story. That poor woman was made out to be the devil simply for being honest that she used the N-word 30 years ago. Our society is a joke sometimes.
 

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  posted on 4/28/2014 at 08:04 PM
Just about all the sponsors have dropped out already..............

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-04-28/donald-sterling-has-no-futu re-with-the-los-angeles-clippers

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  posted on 4/28/2014 at 08:08 PM
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He's the one who just happened to get caught


............and for that he will pay dearly regardless of all on their proverbial soapboxes. His admonishment will be the new normal. Only thing he has going for himself is the fact he is 81 not 41 and won't have to listen to it for too much longer.

 

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  posted on 4/28/2014 at 09:49 PM
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So do nothing to standup against racism but wait for the bigot to die???


You miss my point. I stand up to racism everyday by not being a racist. I don't see a reaction by fans hurting Sterling more than it hurts the players, the coach, and even the fans themselves.

The owners of professional sports teams make up a very small and very private club. Even smaller than the Senate. The contracts are private. Sterling bought the team for 12.5 million dollars in 1981. They are now worth an estimated 575 million. Do you punish him by buying him out?

What punishment would make Sterling change his way of thinking?

 

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  posted on 4/28/2014 at 09:56 PM
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So do nothing to standup against racism but wait for the bigot to die???


You miss my point. I stand up to racism everyday by not being a racist. I don't see a reaction by fans hurting Sterling more than it hurts the players, the coach, and even the fans themselves.

The owners of professional sports teams make up a very small and very private club. Even smaller than the Senate. The contracts are private. Sterling bought the team for 12.5 million dollars in 1981. They are now worth an estimated 575 million. Do you punish him by buying him out?

What punishment would make Sterling change his way of thinking?




I was just about to say the same thing. Force him to sell the team to Seattle for $575 million. That will show him.

 

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  posted on 4/28/2014 at 10:10 PM
If you don't play the best you can and try to win then you are showing the same lack of respect to the game of basketball that Sterling did , and what about the fans who support your team what are you saying to them as a player .

 

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And do not think for a second that Donald Sterling is the only racist owner. He's the one who just happened to get caught, because he was secretly recorded in the privacty of his own home and betrayed. If we had a recorder in every sports franchise owner's home, or any professional athlete, we'd hear much worse than what Sterling said. My point is, the extreme public demonization is becoming way overblown, and a bit unfair to single him out as the only one. And all the reactions from the players and coaches are 100% correct in their assessment of his words, but lets keep it real.....everyone chastizing him has most likely said things just as offensive at one point in their lives. This reminds me of the Paula Dean story. That poor woman was made out to be the devil simply for being honest that she used the N-word 30 years ago. Our society is a joke sometimes.

The problem with this is that Sterling has a long history of bigotry, including actions not just words. He has settled at least two discrimination suits for millions of dollars, and other players and coaches have been telling these kinds of stories about him for years. This time he has set off a media firestorm that will likely bring him down, but don't think for a minute that this is just one isolated incident that is being blown out of proportion. Think of it as more along the lines of a public confirmation of who he really is, and this time it won't be swept under the rug. The bigger issue to examine, IMO, is why he was allowed to get away with it for so long.




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  posted on 4/29/2014 at 05:30 AM
As far as I'm concerned him being recorded without his knowledge is irrelevant. This is not a legal proceeding. He revealed his true character and his employees and the rest of the league and country for that matter now have confirmation of what has been rumored for years.

 

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  posted on 4/29/2014 at 05:59 AM
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And do not think for a second that Donald Sterling is the only racist owner. He's the one who just happened to get caught, because he was secretly recorded in the privacy of his own home and betrayed. If we had a recorder in every sports franchise owner's home, or any professional athlete, we'd hear much worse than what Sterling said. My point is, the extreme public demonization is becoming way overblown, and a bit unfair to single him out as the only one. And all the reactions from the players and coaches are 100% correct in their assessment of his words, but lets keep it real.....everyone chastizing him has most likely said things just as offensive at one point in their lives. This reminds me of the Paula Dean story. That poor woman was made out to be the devil simply for being honest that she used the N-word 30 years ago. Our society is a joke sometimes.


Agreed. Completely.

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Same goes for the Clippers players. Showing up and playing for a win would not be my top priority. The only way to get this guy tossed is to go through the motions for next 2 games and see what NBA does in the next 6 months.


What can the NBA do?.....Not too much Imho. I believe they will start with Diplomacy. A meeting with Mr. Sterling and some other long time Franchise owners where the number one issue will be trying to acquire Don's resignation or agreement to sell the team. If that doesn't work, they can't fine him, he's a Billionaire. Not only will he probably just pay, but now you've set a price, a price for being racist. As for the players?..." Showing up and playing for a win would not be my top priority"

You are kidding?.....right?

 

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  posted on 4/29/2014 at 06:14 AM
The Daily show had a great take on this last night, preface with the idea that "racism is dead in America". Funny stuff, but sobering at the same time.

 

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  posted on 4/29/2014 at 08:11 AM
The fianancial impact to Sterling if he keeps the team will be greater to him and family than if he sells it. With no sponsors on board 100% of the costs will be his. He is 81 and if he is smart he will move on. I do not beleive for a minute that once this season ends any player would want to play for him regardless. Not sure how it will happen, but he will be forced out somwhow eoither by the league or if he is smart he will sell and move on..............

 

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/04/28/is-marge-schot ts-ouster-from-baseball-donald-sterlings-future/

Is Marge Schott’s ouster from baseball Donald Sterling’s future?

When it comes to a lasting position as owner of a professional sports franchise, no amount of money or charisma can outweigh public opinion.

As Marge Schott found out in the 1990s.

Schott was enormously popular, but was forced out as owner of the Cincinnati Reds after making a number of comments about blacks, Jews, gays and Adolf Hitler. She was suspended in 1993 and 1996, then sold the team in 1999 after reports that she had falsified car sales in the names of Reds employees and hid the vehicles at her house in an effort to show General Motors that her dealership had met a sales quota.

“It’s ugly, it’s ignorant, it’s tragic,” Fay Vincent, baseball’s commissioner from 1989 to 1992, told ESPN. “I thought she was one of the most tragic figures I’ve encountered in a long life.”

In the 1990s, it was easier for her to get a pass. She was a constant sight, chain-smoking, signing autographs and bringing her dog Schottzie to the ballpark. Because of that popularity and at a time when talk of her comments barely rippled beyond Cincinnati, there were years of tolerance for Schott, who became majority owner of the team in 1984.

“She was drunk,” Vincent said. “The tragedy is that nobody could deal with that. How could I say to her, ‘Marge, you’re just drinking too much’? Looking back on my time in baseball, there were probably seven or eight really ferocious alcoholics, and there wasn’t much to be done. An alcoholic in a position where he owns or she owns a team, it’s very hard for the others. I talked to other owners about Marge. They all knew she was dangerous, and after I left baseball is when it really blew up. I think baseball did the right thing. It’s really difficult to tell an owner you have to sell the team, but if ever there was a candidate, she was it.”

Finally, baseball acted and she sold all but one share of the team. The Cincinnati Enquirer’s Paul Daugherty, who covered Schott, wrote this weekend of Schott: “Marge was recklessly clueless, and didn’t give a damn if you knew it. Marge didn’t limit her ugliness to blacks. She spread it like buckshot. Schott offended everyone from scouts to Jews, gays to blacks. The litany of her indiscretions was comprehensive and impressive.”




When umpire John McSherry died on the field during the Reds’ 1996 season opener, she objected when the game, a sellout, was postponed. Later that year, she said of Hitler, “everybody knows he was good at the beginning, but he just went too far.” She also referred to players who wore earrings as “fruits.”

Maybe, as NBA Commissioner Adam Silver investigates the alleged comments by Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling — one of the men who employs him, he should consider calling up Vincent, who once suspended New York Yankees owner George Steinbrenner.

“What she said was egregious, but what he said was probably worse,” Vincent told Bloomberg News. “There’s a question of where you draw the line. In this case with what this guy did and probably in Marge Schott’s case, you’re well over the line.”

 

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  posted on 4/29/2014 at 02:24 PM
A lifetime ban, wow. I can agree with that. The worst person in this is the girlfriend. I hope she goes to prison.
 

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A lifetime ban, wow. I can agree with that. The worst person in this is the girlfriend. I hope she goes to prison.


She won't, he consented to being taped because he often forgets what he says and she is not the worst person in this, he is. This is not a legal proceeding, this is a rich owner being banned from a good old boys club of rich owners because he hurt their brand/violated their rules.



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