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  posted on 1/4/2013 at 12:22 AM
if you really care about this subject no matter what side you are on read this.....


http://kontradictions.wordpress.com/2012/08/09/why-not-renew-the-assault-we apons-ban-well-ill-tell-you/

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Excellent article - one of the best I've read on the topic.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2013 at 09:40 AM
Good read.

Lots of "inconvenient" facts there.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2013 at 02:21 PM
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if you really care about this subject no matter what side you are on read this.....


http://kontradictions.wordpress.com/2012/08/09/why-not-renew-the-assault-we apons-ban-well-ill-tell-you/



No crime. No guns. My friend is from Iraq. His family owns a jewelry store on a main street. When they close in the evening they just draw a curtin across the wide open storefront to keep out rain and to show they are gone for the day. No locks, nothing and they have not been robbed ever since they opened in 1975. The jewelry stays in the unlocked cases.

Now and then he says that you will see someone missing fingers and everyone knows why. He also said the only thing any of them feared was Saddam Hussein and his henchmen.

 

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http://kontradictions.wordpress.com/2012/08/09/why-not-renew-the-assault-we apons-ban-well-ill-tell-you/



No crime. No guns. My friend is from Iraq. His family owned a jewelry store on a main street. When they close in the evening they just draw a curtin across the wide open storefront to keep out rain and to show they are gone for the day. No locks, nothing and they have not been robbed ever since they opened in 1975. The jewelry stays in the unlocked cases.

Now and then he says that you will see someone missing fingers and everyone knows why. He also said the only thing any of them feared was Saddam Hussein and his henchmen. His family had to flee and they came here. He loves the U.S but was shocked to find out there was crime here.


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  posted on 1/4/2013 at 02:46 PM
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http://kontradictions.wordpress.com/2012/08/09/why-not-renew-the-assault-we apons-ban-well-ill-tell-you/



No crime. No guns. My friend is from Iraq. His family owned a jewelry store on a main street. When they close in the evening they just draw a curtin across the wide open storefront to keep out rain and to show they are gone for the day. No locks, nothing and they have not been robbed ever since they opened in 1975. The jewelry stays in the unlocked cases.

Now and then he says that you will see someone missing fingers and everyone knows why. He also said the only thing any of them feared was Saddam Hussein and his henchmen. His family had to flee and they came here. He loves the U.S but was shocked to find out there was crime here.


[Edited on 1/4/2013 by lovelead]


Well I am happy for your friend and I know that alot of middle east countires have punishment to fit the crime this country does not in the U.S A. crime does pay..but regardless of crime if the people in Iraq had guns maybe they would not have feared him so much and would have had a chance to protect themselves from his insanity..

My take on the article was that indeed the anti assault weapons bill does seem to place more emphasis on looks instead of function and they are hardly ever used in crime.. in any case a very good read from a non republican point of view.

[Edited on 1/4/2013 by Rydethwind]

 

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http://kontradictions.wordpress.com/2012/08/09/why-not-renew-the-assault-we apons-ban-well-ill-tell-you/



No crime. No guns. My friend is from Iraq. His family owns a jewelry store on a main street. When they close in the evening they just draw a curtin across the wide open storefront to keep out rain and to show they are gone for the day. No locks, nothing and they have not been robbed ever since they opened in 1975. The jewelry stays in the unlocked cases.

Now and then he says that you will see someone missing fingers and everyone knows why. He also said the only thing any of them feared was Saddam Hussein and his henchmen.



WTF??????? What is your point??? You wanna turn the USA into Iraq????? No friggin' thanks!!!

 

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  posted on 1/4/2013 at 08:08 PM
I read the article and I have this comment...I don't want our police officers going up against criminals with assault weapons...whatever definition you use. But that's just me.

 

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http://kontradictions.wordpress.com/2012/08/09/why-not-renew-the-assault-we apons-ban-well-ill-tell-you/



No crime. No guns. My friend is from Iraq. His family owns a jewelry store on a main street. When they close in the evening they just draw a curtin across the wide open storefront to keep out rain and to show they are gone for the day. No locks, nothing and they have not been robbed ever since they opened in 1975. The jewelry stays in the unlocked cases.

Now and then he says that you will see someone missing fingers and everyone knows why. He also said the only thing any of them feared was Saddam Hussein and his henchmen.



WTF??????? What is your point??? You wanna turn the USA into Iraq????? No friggin' thanks!!!


Chill out man. Lighten up with the cursing. Nobody attacked you.
Did I say anything about making the USA into Iraq? Of course I did not.
The point is kind of obvious. Criminals in this country feel way too free to commit any crime they want to. Against anyone ay anytime. They don't fear the law or consequences. They laugh at it.

Should we be Iraq? No. Should we change things so people live in fear of the consequences of hurting and robbing others? I say yes and the sooner the better.

 

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And yes, I know the bad guys will still have those guns...but maybe it might be more difficult for them to obtain one.

 

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And yes, I know the bad guys will still have those guns...but maybe it might be more difficult for them to obtain one.


We live in a gun loving society. I don't know why people are so bent on having them. Screw the 2nd ammendment. Take away everyone's guns and the right to own one. Too freakin bad if they don't like it. We need a citizen militia like we need a famine.

 

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And yes, I know the bad guys will still have those guns...but maybe it might be more difficult for them to obtain one.


We live in a gun loving society. I don't know why people are so bent on having them. Screw the 2nd ammendment. Take away everyone's guns and the right to own one. Too freakin bad if they don't like it. We need a citizen militia like we need a famine.


Dumbest post of the year.

It's early, but I bet it holds up.

 

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And yes, I know the bad guys will still have those guns...but maybe it might be more difficult for them to obtain one.


We live in a gun loving society. I don't know why people are so bent on having them. Screw the 2nd ammendment. Take away everyone's guns and the right to own one. Too freakin bad if they don't like it. We need a citizen militia like we need a famine.


Dumbest post of the year.

It's early, but I bet it holds up.


If you think a weak attempt at insulting someone's opinion changes anything you are wrong and you really just insulted yourself . Millions of your fellow Americans want all guns taken away from average citizens. So I guess they are dumb too and not entitled to free speech because you disagree.

If our military decided to take over the country a few million idiots with hunting rifles are not going to stop them. They could wipe out a whole neighborhood in ten seconds and everyone else who knew they were coming would give up thier guns in a heartbeat.

What about the odds of being invaded by an army from another country? How about zero?
In time criminals would lose their guns too as they were arrested. If we had a law of life without parole for a first offense of possesion they would stay away from guns too.

Americans don't NEED guns. They WANT guns. Repeal the 2nd. ammendment and too freakin bad who likes it or not even when they take grandpa's beautiful shotgun that was passed down over the years and melt it.

Whether it is illegal or irresponsible sales at gun shows and by dealers, criminal possession, unlocked guns in the home, access to weapons by the mentally ill, it is clear this country is not capable of owning guns in the private sector.

If there were no guns then there would be no gun crime and all of those babies in Newtown would be at home with their parents.

Just like we had a ten year plan to land a man on the moon we should have a ten year plan to remove all of the guns that are privately owned and all the illegal ones as well. Of course a repeal of the useless 2nd. ammendment whose time and purpose ended over two hundred years ago. Thomas Jeffereson said that all of our laws and ammendments should be reviewed every twenty years to see if they are still valid. He said forcing some of those laws on people for a long time is like making a man wear a small coat that fit him when he was a boy.

I guess he was dumb too.

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Sounds like you'd be better off living in China, their gun laws would make you a happy guy.

I'm not going to waste my time taking apart your rant piece by piece, but I will offer one question.

How is the gov't in your perfect world going to find all of "grandpa's beautiful shotguns" when most likely there is no paper on them???

I have two of my grandfather's guns from his collection, both were made and bought before there was any background check, federal forms, etc.

On paper they don't exist, neither do the 14 other long guns (some from the Civil War) that we sold from his collection.

I'm betting upstanding citizens like you would gladly turn in their neighbors who had such firearms.

Good luck with that, comrade.

 

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Thomas Jeffereson said that all of our laws and ammendments should be reviewed every twenty years to see if they are still valid.

Review? Really? Please share that specific quote.

The Jefferson quote that is well documented is when he stated his belief that rebellion is required to keep govt from oppressing it's people and stealing their liberties - "God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion." That is shortly followed in the same paragraph by a more famous quote: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."

It appears you are twisting Jefferson to fit your own agenda of disarming America, which would seem to be the last thing Jefferson would associate himself with. Now cue up the typical "well, if Jefferson were living now..." rationalized nonsense.

The 2nd Amendment serves a number of vital purposes. Folks with your disarm America agenda regularly cite their belief that it is no longer a deterrence should rulers or the military decide to suppress or overtake a portion or all of the country. Only the tunnel-visioned anti-gun zealots who haven't thought things through see it that way.

Elected officials and the military swear oaths that require their defense of the Constitution first and foremost as their duty. To order the military against US citizens, and for that military to act in such a manner, violates their respective oaths. And as horrific as it would be, just the thought of armed conflict between citizens and the military creates a powerful deterrent to anyone contemplating such ideas. Bullying a group of sign-wielding protesters doesn't come close to the same impact. In any practical force-on-force situation, the military would easily overrun any citizens group. But from a political and media perspective, the 2nd Amendment provides a powerful deterrent to tyranny.

Then there's the deterrent to crime aspect. Criminals applaud such foolishness as disarming the law abiding citizen. It clears away resistance to their goals, with only a skeletal crew of local police standing in their way (who at best normally show up after the crime is committed). And even if amazing levels of gun-removal efficiency are achieved to keep them from criminals as well as the lawful, then you'll just end up amplifying physical assaults, as the UK has seen.


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So I guess they are dumb too and not entitled to free speech because you disagree.

Their free speech is fine and encouraged, regardless of dumb ideas. But we live in a republic, which fundamentally means that the rights of a minority are protected against whatever feelings the majority have, even if that minority is only 1% of the population.

The Constitution provides a means to lawfully change its provisions. If the majority is so vast as to gain approval for a new amendment that overturns the 2nd, then lets follow that path. Lets see if you have the majority you think you have.

 

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Sounds like you'd be better off living in China, their gun laws would make you a happy guy.

I'm not going to waste my time taking apart your rant piece by piece, but I will offer one question.

How is the gov't in your perfect world going to find all of "grandpa's beautiful shotguns" when most likely there is no paper on them???

I have two of my grandfather's guns from his collection, both were made and bought before there was any background check, federal forms, etc.

On paper they don't exist, neither do the 14 other long guns (some from the Civil War) that we sold from his collection.

I'm betting upstanding citizens like you would gladly turn in their neighbors who had such firearms.

Good luck with that, comrade.


Gun collectors sit around and stroke their antiques like they are more important than life itself.
Civil War guns are nothing more than old killing tools used to destroy American lives during one of the darkest periods iin our history. Those treasured relics should be confiscated and destroyed for the garbage they are.

Go back in time and show one of those guns to a Civil War mother and say to her, 'Some day this gun that blew your sons brains out is going to be a treasured collectible'.

I am sure she would be thrilled. Yeah, right.

 

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Wow.

You just outdid your prior dumbest post of the year.

Why don't YOU go back in time and prevent the discovery of gunpowder, m'kay?

 

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We live in a gun loving society. I don't know why people are so bent on having them. Screw the 2nd ammendment. Take away everyone's guns and the right to own one. Too freakin bad if they don't like it. We need a citizen militia like we need a famine.
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Dumbest post of the year.

It's early, but I bet it holds up.



Actually a famine wouldn't hurt some of you folks down south. Can someone say supersize me.

 

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And yes, I know the bad guys will still have those guns...but maybe it might be more difficult for them to obtain one.

If a bad guy comes at you with a gun you probably won't care how difficult it was for him to get it.

 

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Try telling that to the parents of 20 Connecticut children and friends/families of six adults. If assault weapons had been banned in Connecticut like they are in Calfornia, one maniac's Mom would not have been able to get one legally (which she did), which means it would not have been in her home (it was), and 26 people including 20 innocent children would not have been slaughtered. That is ALL I need to know, and statistical articles like this one are not gonna sway me. I know, I know, you're NOT gonna get rid of all the assault weapons out in the population. If you still think that's a reason not to ban them, maybe you ought to read my post over again.

 

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Try telling that to the parents of 20 Connecticut children and friends/families of six adults. If assault weapons had been banned in Connecticut like they are in Calfornia, one maniac's Mom would not have been able to get one legally (which she did), which means it would not have been in her home (it was), and 26 people including 20 innocent children would not have been slaughtered. That is ALL I need to know, and statistical articles like this one are not gonna sway me. I know, I know, you're NOT gonna get rid of all the assault weapons out in the population. If you still think that's a reason not to ban them, maybe you ought to read my post over again.


CT HAS an "assault weapons" ban in place.

The AR is not covered by the ban.

More laws aren't the answer.

The CT shooter had committed two misdemeanors and two felonies before he even got to the school.

One more law would have made no difference.

 

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PhotoRon needs semi automatic guns because his aim is bad. Can't choot a deer to save his life.

 

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One more law would have made no difference.






The Pro-gun folks can't keep treading water saying that the status quo is where we stand, we will not budge, people pull the trigger, From these cold dead hands....blah blah blah

It's fricken selfish and ignores the obvious reality that by tightening the restrictions on gun ownership, sales and availability, the death of the 20 kids and 6 adults will not just be swept under the carpet as just part of living in the good ol USA.

Brutal.


 

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CT HAS an "assault weapons" ban in place.

The AR is not covered by the ban.


Then it needs to be. That's my whole point in this conversation.





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The Pro-gun folks can't keep treading water saying that the status quo is where we stand, we will not budge, people pull the trigger, From these cold dead hands....blah blah blah

It's fricken selfish and ignores the obvious reality that by tightening the restrictions on gun ownership, sales and availability, the death of the 20 kids and 6 adults will not just be swept under the carpet as just part of living in the good ol USA.

Brutal.


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  posted on 1/5/2013 at 03:33 PM
Whoooooaaaa there cowboys and cowgirls.....Before we ban assault weapons, let's try banning stupidity....


It would more than likely be just as successful.

 

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