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  posted on 7/13/2011 at 01:25 PM
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An independent California-based research institute says the US army has dumped hundreds of barrels of toxic chemicals, including Agent Orange, in South Korea.


In an interview with Press TV, the Korea Policy Institute (KPI) Executive Director Christine Ahn elaborated on the revelation and indicated rising popular calls in South Korea for a probe into the reports.

“Three months ago in May, three US soldiers came out on local TV news in Arizona, confessing that they had buried almost hundreds of barrels of Agent Orange at Camp Caroll, which is a US military base in the southeastern part of South Korea,” Ahn said.

The US military sprayed an estimated 10 million gallons of Agent Orange on forests and rice fields in Vietnam, where some three million people are said to have suffered the effects of wartime herbicides to strip trees of foliage and to deprive Vietnamese forces of cover and food.



 

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  posted on 7/13/2011 at 01:36 PM
An apology seems fair. Something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvR6d08L3nc

 

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  posted on 7/13/2011 at 01:44 PM
Seems reasonable to me.

 

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  posted on 7/13/2011 at 02:19 PM
We should just issue a blanket apology to anyone in history that we may have insulted, offended, or in any way inflicted perceived harm while saving their asses and be done with it.

 

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  posted on 7/13/2011 at 02:24 PM
I say we clean up the toxins and take them elsewhere along with all of our troops and the money we've been giving them. I think that should do it.

 

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  posted on 7/13/2011 at 02:32 PM
What was the name of the "independent research institute" and which one of the studies did they do?

Your "knee jerk" posting is getting old, and you really should research your sources before you post.

Check out the article on JoonAng Daily (Don't know why, but the site won't let me post the full link. Do a Google search on Camp Carroll, click on the JoonAng Daily link for the article posted today)

I like paragraph 4 where the joint US-Korean team states="All tests to date indicate no evidence of Agent Orange in Camp Carroll or in the adjacent communities."

The article also shows that the US military says that the barrels were buried at Camp Carroll, but were removed in the 70's

 

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  posted on 7/13/2011 at 02:39 PM
Darn it Jerry....you just interjected facts into the dialogue. Whatever are you thinking?

 

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  posted on 7/13/2011 at 02:42 PM
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Darn it Jerry....you just interjected facts into the dialogue. Whatever are you thinking?


Well, somebody has to post facts about what Gina puts out here.

 

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  posted on 7/13/2011 at 04:04 PM
Jerry, in another thread you questioned the legitamacy of Alter Net. Alter Net is from Reuters, a well respected news organization.

The Korean Policy Institute:

http://www.kpolicy.org/about-people.html

Christine Ahn, Executive Director: Christine Ahn is a policy analyst with expertise in Korea, globalization, militarism, women's rights and philanthropy. She is the editor of Shafted: Free Trade and America's Working Poor (Food First Books, 2003) and contributor to The Revolution Will Not be Funded (South End Press 2007). She has addressed Congress, the United Nations and the National Human Rights Commission in South Korea. Ms. Ahn has been interviewed on CNN, NBC Today Show, Al-Jazeera, National Public Radio and Voice of America. She is a columnist with Institute for Policy Studies' Foreign Policy In Focus, and her op-eds have appeared in The International Herald Tribune/The New York Times, Asia Times, and the San Francisco Chronicle. She is co-founder of the National Campaign to End the Korean War and Korean Americans for Fair Trade. Ms. Ahn is currently the Senior Research and Policy Analyst at the Global Fund for Women, Senior Fellow with the Oakland Institute, and a consultant to the Grassroots Global Justice Alliance. She was formerly a board member of the National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy, the Economic Human Rights Program Director at the Institute for Food and Development Policy/Food First and the Peace Program Director at the Women of Color Resource Center where she produced Fashion Resistance to Militarism, a popular education show and documentary on the impact of militarism on our lives. Ms. Ahn holds a master's degree in public policy from Georgetown University and a certificate in ecological horticulture from the University of California, Santa Cruz. She has been inducted into the OMB Watch Public Interest Hall of Fame and recognized as a Rising Peacemaker by the Agape Foundation.

Remarks: I'm sure you know who Congress is Jerry. They valued her opinion, and I'ms ure you have heard of these organizations also CNN, NBC, Al Jazeera.

So what is YER problem?

 

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  posted on 7/13/2011 at 04:09 PM
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Darn it Jerry....you just interjected facts into the dialogue. Whatever are you thinking?


Well, somebody has to post facts about what Gina puts out here.


Here's the specifics Jerry.

http://www.kpolicy.org/projects-spotlight.html

In May, three former U.S. soldiers admitted to dumping hundreds of barrels of chemical substances, including Agent Orange, at Camp Carroll in South Korea in 1978. This explosive news was a harsh reminder to South Koreans of the high costs and lethal trail left behind by the ongoing U.S. military presence.

"We basically buried our garbage in their backyards," U.S. veteran Steve House told a local news station in Phoenix, Arizona. A heavy equipment operator in the Army, House said he was ordered to dig a ditch the length of a city block to bury 55-gallon drums marked with bright yellow and orange labels: "Province of Vietnam, Compound Orange." House said that the military buried 250 drums of defoliants stored on the base, which served then as the U.S. Army Material Support Center in Korea. Later they buried chemicals transported from other places on as many as 20 occasions, totaling up to 600 barrels.

"This stuff was just seeping through the barrels," said Robert Travis, another veteran now living in West Virginia. "There was a smell, I couldn't describe it, just sickly sweet." Immediately after wheeling the barrels from a warehouse at Camp Carroll, Travis developed a severe rash; other health problems emerged later. He said there were "approximately 250 drums, all OD (olive drab) green... with a stripe around the barrel dated 1967 for the Republic of Vietnam."

A third soldier, Richard Cramer of Illinois, said that his feet went numb as he buried barrels of Agent Orange at Camp Carroll. He spent two months in a military hospital and now has swollen ankles and toes, chronic arthritis, eye infections, and impaired hearing. "If we prove what they did was wrong,' says Cramer, "they should 'fess up and clean it up and take care of the people involved."

The three veterans are now seriously ill. Steve House suffers from diabetes and neuropathy, two out of 15 diseases officially linked to Agent Orange. "This is a burden I've carried around for 35 years," House, aged 54, told Associated Press reporters. "I just recently found out that I have to have some major surgery... If I'm going to check out, I want to do it with a clean slate."

The Missing Barrels

A deadly herbicide, Agent Orange is widely known for its use during the Vietnam War when the U.S. military sprayed an estimated 10 million gallons on forests and rice fields. In Korea, the U.S. military used Agent Orange along the de-militarized zone to defoliate the forests and prevent North Koreans from crossing the border.

"The United States Army has acknowledged that pesticides, herbicides and other toxic compounds were buried at Camp Carroll," writes New York Times reporter Mark MacDonald. Although the chemicals and about 60 tons of contaminated soil were purportedly dug up and removed, "the Army is still searching its records to discover what became of the excavated chemicals and soil."

According to a February 25, 2011 report by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Far East Command, the U.S. military has discovered evidence of a burial site within Camp Carroll measuring 83 feet long, 46 feet wide, and 20 feet deep. It confirmed contamination on the base with high concentrations of highly carcinogenic perchloroethylene (PCE), pesticides, heavy metals, and components of dioxin. According to Hankyoreh, the report also cites testimony from a Korean employee, Gu Ja-yeong, who worked at Camp Carroll and participated in burying drums, cans, and bottles containing chemicals in 1974 and 1975. The report recommends monitoring once or twice a year and removing the soil from the burial site because ground-water chloroform levels were 24 times the South Korean standard for drinkable water. Chloroform is a carcinogen that can cause liver, kidney, and nervous system problems.

Two earlier environmental studies of Camp Carroll, commissioned by U.S. Forces in Korea (USFK), were not shared with the South Korean government until the recent whistle-blowing by the U.S. vets. In 1992, a Woodward-Clyde report confirmed the burial of toxic chemicals. "Many potential sources of soil and groundwater contamination still exist at the base and the presence of contaminated groundwater has been documented," the report stated. "From 1979 to 1980, approximately 6,100 cubic feet (40 to 60 tons) of soil were reportedly excavated from this area and disposed offsite."

Samsung C&T reported on a second survey in 2004. This also found soil samples from the base contained pesticides and dioxins: "Hazardous materials and waste, including solvents, petroleum oils and lubricants, pesticides, herbicides and other industrial chemicals have been used and stored onsite for over 40 years." The Korea Herald reported, "more than 100 kinds of harmful chemicals including pesticides and herbicides were buried." Hankyoreh reported that the Samsung survey found "quantities of highly carcinogenic trichloroethylene (TCE) and perchloroethylene (PCE) at 31 and 33 times the standard levels of potable water, respectively." The 2004 report estimated that it would cost $98.3 million to remove all the contaminated soil from Camp Carroll. Both the 1992 and 2004 reports state that a significant amount of soil had been excavated, but they differ as to when this actually happened. According to the Korea Times, the 2004 report concluded, "The fate of the excavated drums is unknown".

So what happened to the buried chemicals?

Camp Carroll is located in Waegwan, about 20 miles north of Daegu. "If Agent Orange was dumped in 1978, the drums may have already eroded. And the toxic substance could have contaminated the soil and underground water near the area," said Chung In-cheol of Green Korea United. "The U.S. camp is situated just 630 meters away from the Nakdong River," says Chung, "which is the water source for major cities like Daegu and Busan."

Cancer rates in the Chilgok area near Camp Carroll were up to 18.3 percent higher than the national average between 2005 and 2009, according to Statistics Korea's website, and mortality rates for nervous system diseases were above the national average

REMARKS: Names, people who testified before Congress that it happened.

In 1995, Arnold Schecter and Le Cao Dai of the Vietnam Red Cross published research findings showing "that high levels of dioxin contamination persist in the blood, tissue, and breast milk of Vietnamese living in sprayed areas." Schecter tested soil and human tissue samples from people living near the former Bien Hoa U.S. military base where 7,500 gallons of Agent Orange were spilled in 1970.

In 1998, Hatfield Consultants published the results of a four-year study of soil and water samples in the A Luoi valley near the Ho Chi Minh trail and the site of three former U.S. Special Forces bases where Agent Orange was stored and sprayed. Working with Vietnamese scientists, Hatfield found "a consistent pattern of food chain contamination by Agent Orange dioxin... which included soil, fishpond sediment, cultured fish, ducks and humans." They found dioxin levels in some breast milk samples to be dozens of times higher than maximum levels recommended by the World Health Organization.


 

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I've got news for you. There is nothing unusual about this happening. I work as an environmental consultant and the government and well as private industry dump and bury chemicals all the time. It is not as common these days, but prior to the 1980's it was very common before current laws and regulations came into effect. Sounds like it is being investigated and cleaned up. You might be surprised, but I'll bet there is a environmental cleanup happening within 1 mile of your house. Do you have a gas station or dry cleaner near your house? If so I'll bet there is an 80% chance there was a leak at one time in their tanks that caused contamination to soil and/or groundwater. By the way, the PCE mentioned in the article is used as a dry cleaning solvent and I'll bet there is PCE contamination somewhere near you. Shocking, isn't it?
 

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  posted on 7/13/2011 at 06:49 PM
United States casualties in the Korean War
36,516 dead (including 2,830 non-combat deaths)
92,134 wounded
8,176 MIA
7,245 POW

Not to mention Billions in aide to assist in building the seventh largest economy in the world.
So if you want sympathy go look it up in the dictionary it is between sh%t and syphilis

 

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  posted on 7/13/2011 at 06:53 PM
Well said.

 

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An apology seems fair. Something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvR6d08L3nc


Maybe we can send an apology........by LEAVING AND PROTECTING OUR BORDERS INSTEAD OF PISSING BILLIONS AWAY WHILE THEIR ECONOMY BOOMS.

 

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An apology seems fair. Something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvR6d08L3nc


Maybe we can send an apology........by LEAVING AND PROTECTING OUR BORDERS INSTEAD OF PISSING BILLIONS AWAY WHILE THEIR ECONOMY BOOMS.



You didn't watch the video, did you?

 

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I've got news for you. There is nothing unusual about this happening. I work as an environmental consultant and the government and well as private industry dump and bury chemicals all the time. It is not as common these days, but prior to the 1980's it was very common before current laws and regulations came into effect. Sounds like it is being investigated and cleaned up. You might be surprised, but I'll bet there is a environmental cleanup happening within 1 mile of your house. Do you have a gas station or dry cleaner near your house? If so I'll bet there is an 80% chance there was a leak at one time in their tanks that caused contamination to soil and/or groundwater. By the way, the PCE mentioned in the article is used as a dry cleaning solvent and I'll bet there is PCE contamination somewhere near you. Shocking, isn't it?


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Jerry, in another thread you questioned the legitamacy of Alter Net. Alter Net is from Reuters, a well respected news organization.

The Korean Policy Institute:

http://www.kpolicy.org/about-people.html

Christine Ahn, Executive Director: Christine Ahn is a policy analyst with expertise in Korea, globalization, militarism, women's rights and philanthropy. She is the editor of Shafted: Free Trade and America's Working Poor (Food First Books, 2003) and contributor to The Revolution Will Not be Funded (South End Press 2007). She has addressed Congress, the United Nations and the National Human Rights Commission in South Korea. Ms. Ahn has been interviewed on CNN, NBC Today Show, Al-Jazeera, National Public Radio and Voice of America. She is a columnist with Institute for Policy Studies' Foreign Policy In Focus, and her op-eds have appeared in The International Herald Tribune/The New York Times, Asia Times, and the San Francisco Chronicle. She is co-founder of the National Campaign to End the Korean War and Korean Americans for Fair Trade. Ms. Ahn is currently the Senior Research and Policy Analyst at the Global Fund for Women, Senior Fellow with the Oakland Institute, and a consultant to the Grassroots Global Justice Alliance. She was formerly a board member of the National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy, the Economic Human Rights Program Director at the Institute for Food and Development Policy/Food First and the Peace Program Director at the Women of Color Resource Center where she produced Fashion Resistance to Militarism, a popular education show and documentary on the impact of militarism on our lives. Ms. Ahn holds a master's degree in public policy from Georgetown University and a certificate in ecological horticulture from the University of California, Santa Cruz. She has been inducted into the OMB Watch Public Interest Hall of Fame and recognized as a Rising Peacemaker by the Agape Foundation.

Remarks: I'm sure you know who Congress is Jerry. They valued her opinion, and I'ms ure you have heard of these organizations also CNN, NBC, Al Jazeera.

So what is YER problem?



AHAAAA- So you actually did do some research. Thanks, and keep that up. Except, as I've posted in the other thread, AlterNet is not owned by Reuters, it's a project of the Independent Media Institute and owned by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Yes, I know who Congress is, I also know that CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, MNBC, MSNBC, and all news organizations have bad news days where they wish they could take back what was reported. Such as when Ahn was interviewed about racial backlash after the Korean/American kid killed the students a t Virginia Tech. She kept on about how he was autistic, his parents couldn't pay for his care since they were working class and Korean/Americans are one of the groups that don't have access to healthcare, but she forgot that the kids' parents were actually pretty well off, had just sent their daughter to Princeton, and etc, etc., just kept making a fool of herself.
Much of the stuff I've seen tonight is many people labeling her, in not very flattering terms, of being a North Korea apologist and not really very bright on the NK government even though she has made many trips there.

Now, to get back onto topic:

here's a little article you might want to read, I doubt you will, but here goes anyway.

http://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/korea/retired-gi-who-helped-unearth-che micals-saw-no-trace-of-agent-orange-1.144650

This is a guy that pulled samples from the buried drums, as they were being dug up in 1979.

 

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I've got news for you. There is nothing unusual about this happening. I work as an environmental consultant and the government and well as private industry dump and bury chemicals all the time. It is not as common these days, but prior to the 1980's it was very common before current laws and regulations came into effect. Sounds like it is being investigated and cleaned up. You might be surprised, but I'll bet there is a environmental cleanup happening within 1 mile of your house. Do you have a gas station or dry cleaner near your house? If so I'll bet there is an 80% chance there was a leak at one time in their tanks that caused contamination to soil and/or groundwater. By the way, the PCE mentioned in the article is used as a dry cleaning solvent and I'll bet there is PCE contamination somewhere near you. Shocking, isn't it?


You do have some good points, that stuff was buried (illegally) in the 1980's. They know it was hazardous waste and was supposed to be disposed of properly, but in many cases was not.

Yes I know about groundwater contamination. Each year the water authority issues reports on the samples it does in the wells that provide water from the acquifer here. I stopped drinking local water in the late 80's when I was sick as hell, from it. Took awhile to figure out it was the water since it tasted all right. The latest reports up here also show pesticide, dry cleaning and industrial chemical contaminants in the water still. I also take shorter showers (nothing like a shower to provide a gas chamber effect of putting that water deep in your lungs).

 

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Jerry, in another thread you questioned the legitamacy of Alter Net. Alter Net is from Reuters, a well respected news organization.

The Korean Policy Institute:

http://www.kpolicy.org/about-people.html

Christine Ahn, Executive Director: Christine Ahn is a policy analyst with expertise in Korea, globalization, militarism, women's rights and philanthropy. She is the editor of Shafted: Free Trade and America's Working Poor (Food First Books, 2003) and contributor to The Revolution Will Not be Funded (South End Press 2007). She has addressed Congress, the United Nations and the National Human Rights Commission in South Korea. Ms. Ahn has been interviewed on CNN, NBC Today Show, Al-Jazeera, National Public Radio and Voice of America. She is a columnist with Institute for Policy Studies' Foreign Policy In Focus, and her op-eds have appeared in The International Herald Tribune/The New York Times, Asia Times, and the San Francisco Chronicle. She is co-founder of the National Campaign to End the Korean War and Korean Americans for Fair Trade. Ms. Ahn is currently the Senior Research and Policy Analyst at the Global Fund for Women, Senior Fellow with the Oakland Institute, and a consultant to the Grassroots Global Justice Alliance. She was formerly a board member of the National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy, the Economic Human Rights Program Director at the Institute for Food and Development Policy/Food First and the Peace Program Director at the Women of Color Resource Center where she produced Fashion Resistance to Militarism, a popular education show and documentary on the impact of militarism on our lives. Ms. Ahn holds a master's degree in public policy from Georgetown University and a certificate in ecological horticulture from the University of California, Santa Cruz. She has been inducted into the OMB Watch Public Interest Hall of Fame and recognized as a Rising Peacemaker by the Agape Foundation.

Remarks: I'm sure you know who Congress is Jerry. They valued her opinion, and I'ms ure you have heard of these organizations also CNN, NBC, Al Jazeera.

So what is YER problem?



AHAAAA- So you actually did do some research. Thanks, and keep that up. Except, as I've posted in the other thread, AlterNet is not owned by Reuters, it's a project of the Independent Media Institute and owned by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Yes, I know who Congress is, I also know that CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, MNBC, MSNBC, and all news organizations have bad news days where they wish they could take back what was reported. Such as when Ahn was interviewed about racial backlash after the Korean/American kid killed the students a t Virginia Tech. She kept on about how he was autistic, his parents couldn't pay for his care since they were working class and Korean/Americans are one of the groups that don't have access to healthcare, but she forgot that the kids' parents were actually pretty well off, had just sent their daughter to Princeton, and etc, etc., just kept making a fool of herself.
Much of the stuff I've seen tonight is many people labeling her, in not very flattering terms, of being a North Korea apologist and not really very bright on the NK government even though she has made many trips there.

Now, to get back onto topic:

here's a little article you might want to read, I doubt you will, but here goes anyway.

http://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/korea/retired-gi-who-helped-unearth-che micals-saw-no-trace-of-agent-orange-1.144650

This is a guy that pulled samples from the buried drums, as they were being dug up in 1979.



If I said tell it to the Marines, you would think I'm being saracastic, but so many people are sick and dieing and have died from exposure to it, (and I would bet the ones burying the drums did not have on those white EPA suits while doing it, they probably had a standard issue shovel, and just followed orders) and they found traces of it in the rivers near the base.

From the article cited:

"The U.S. camp is situated just 630 meters away from the Nakdong River," says Chung, "which is the water source for major cities like Daegu and Busan."

Cancer rates in the Chilgok area near Camp Carroll were up to 18.3 percent higher than the national average between 2005 and 2009, according to Statistics Korea's website, and mortality rates for nervous system diseases were above the national average "

As to everyone else who thinks it's fine to use anything on people we are fighting in a war, well no it's not. You have no right to use cancer causing chemicals on people. You have no right to use liquid phosphorus on civilians who are in your way. The whole way the wars are run is disgustingly inhuman and barbaric, brainwash soldiers to kill anything that moves. The only conditions for killing someone are those set forth by God, which is you may retaliate to defend yourself and possibly [I'm still looking into this point] retaliate against the one person who has hurt someone in your family. God did not say go kill groups of people who you disagree with. His general command was not to kill, but people kept saying but what if, and he saw that there had to be exceptions to that law, but the exceptions were quite few. Certainly politics would not be an acceptable reason, nor would natural resource acquisition, or family feuds ('ok Saddam, this one's for Daddy')etc. etc.

 

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