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  posted on 6/25/2020 at 09:15 AM
these videos remind me that Dickey is,if not the best guitar player to ever play in the ABB,the most exciting.
his playing was so energized i recall being hyped up all day knowing another beacon show was coming that night....doing 8-10 shows was very intense and major fun...sure do miss those days...for me i got on the bus with ABB in 71 and first saw them with Dickey/Chuck/Lamar lineup...

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  posted on 6/25/2020 at 11:20 AM
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So sweet to hear Warren sliding away on "Statesboro." Does he always play in standard?


Generally speaking - yes. There are some tunes on the newer Mule albums where he used some open tunings.

I think Warrens greatest period of growth was from 89 to 96-97. His solos were adventurous and not as predictable as in his 2nd stint with the ABB. Always amazing and probably the most consistent artist that I have ever saw. But in those early years, there was more "fire" and relied less on the "crutches" that all players have.

It is why I believe that Gordie Johnson has not been a good producer/Co-Producer for the Mule. Warren needs someone who will be honest and not as much of a friend. Far too many songs that sound like variations from each other. Each generation the formula gets weaker. It started around Patchwork Quilt (awesome) and then after Woody's passing The Deep End albums have a few variations of that formula/pattern. Which again the songs are strong for the most part. But each album since has had similar songs on them where the progressions are similar and the solos are similar. A good producer will tell Warren - I have heard you do that before. Same when it comes to solos - any artist after so many releases needs to be "pushed".

Warren's writing production has been incredible and there was a period between The Mule, ABB. Phil Lesh and solo where I think there was too much. So busy that I think that he relied on those crutches more often.

Seeing these older videos - you see that fire and unpredictability that made me love him so much originally. And Dickey is in fine form and Warren has always had the ability to bring out the best in others. Great lineup and I loved all those tours.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2020 at 11:31 AM
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So sweet to hear Warren sliding away on "Statesboro." Does he always play in standard?


Generally speaking - yes. There are some tunes on the newer Mule albums where he used some open tunings.

I think Warrens greatest period of growth was from 89 to 96-97. His solos were adventurous and not as predictable as in his 2nd stint with the ABB. Always amazing and probably the most consistent artist that I have ever saw. But in those early years, there was more "fire" and relied less on the "crutches" that all players have.

It is why I believe that Gordie Johnson has not been a good producer/Co-Producer for the Mule. Warren needs someone who will be honest and not as much of a friend. Far too many songs that sound like variations from each other. Each generation the formula gets weaker. It started around Patchwork Quilt (awesome) and then after Woody's passing The Deep End albums have a few variations of that formula/pattern. Which again the songs are strong for the most part. But each album since has had similar songs on them where the progressions are similar and the solos are similar. A good producer will tell Warren - I have heard you do that before. Same when it comes to solos - any artist after so many releases needs to be "pushed".

Warren's writing production has been incredible and there was a period between The Mule, ABB. Phil Lesh and solo where I think there was too much. So busy that I think that he relied on those crutches more often.

Seeing these older videos - you see that fire and unpredictability that made me love him so much originally. And Dickey is in fine form and Warren has always had the ability to bring out the best in others. Great lineup and I loved all those tours.


I truly hate to say it but I agree with every single word you wrote here.(even the part where you acknowledge how great Jack White is-LOL)
But seriously,you really do capture the total picture of Warren’s music-the bad and the excellent.
It’s the reason I don’t listen to most things Warren has done in recent years-the formula bores me to tears. However Warren’s playing in the 3/10 Brothers show at MSG was some of the most creative playing he’s done in years. Reminded me of the passion and fire he brought from 89-96/97.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2020 at 11:32 AM
Thanks, folks. The reason I was asking about the standard tuning is that a guitar pal of mine who is a very good slide player was commenting on how he feels he can only really nail some classic Duane-isms by playing slide in Open E.

Warren's playing on that "Statesboro" from this rehearsals session certainly shows him hitting the Duane notes. Very impressive.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2020 at 12:44 PM
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Thanks, folks. The reason I was asking about the standard tuning is that a guitar pal of mine who is a very good slide player was commenting on how he feels he can only really nail some classic Duane-isms by playing slide in Open E.

Warren's playing on that "Statesboro" from this rehearsals session certainly shows him hitting the Duane notes. Very impressive.


Jack Pearson typically plays in standard too. If you know your scales in various tunings, you can hit most licks on the fret board in standard that you can in open E. I find some slide players hang out around a fret and don't realize how those notes transpose to a standard scale, since it's just a fret or two difference on a few strings.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2020 at 01:39 PM
Because I always play in standard tuning, my knowledge of the fretboard and scales is vastly superior than if I play in open tunings. So I play slide in standard tuning. If I use an open tuning, I tend to play the same stuff over and over. That is what amazes me about Derek. More so now that he will put the slide aside more than in his youth. Some of the riffs he plays just look alien to me. lol

Many open tuning guys will play the same stuff but then there are those like Derek. He learned the theory in the open tuning which is so cool. When I try to figure stuff like that out - it feels like school and I am failing.

Standard tuning still keeps me guessing so I will stay there.

Now Jack can play a run of notes on the slide and his technique is so good it seems like his fingers just making the slide sound. Unreal.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2020 at 02:07 PM
I totally get sticking with one tuning, it's a bit like suddenly switching languages.

Agree, Jack's playing is just effortless, so smooth.

Derek has such a unique style. Sure, he slides up and down a single string where other slide players would hangout on a fret. But I don't think people appreciate some of the stuff he is playing without the slide - in Open E and finger picking. I was listening to a "Joyful Noise" from a 2019 Beach show and Derek's rhythm was super tasty.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2020 at 08:00 PM
https://youtu.be/G1jpQu6qR1E

What tuning is this slide playing?

 

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  posted on 6/25/2020 at 11:56 PM
Standard tuning

 

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  posted on 6/26/2020 at 06:14 AM
Thanks. Before that Strat was stolen, Warren could adjust it to make it sound like a dobro. And Warren, in a radio interview and Gregg was their too, said his red Strat could sound like a dobro when answering a question about Seven Turns and did he play a dobro on part of the track.

 

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  posted on 6/26/2020 at 06:29 AM
I remember when this album came out. It was like a new birth for the band. I believe this is when the amphitheartres started being built, which resulted in a lot of summer touring. They would come to Great Woods in Mass. at least a couple times every summer. Dickey and Warren were great together. They didn't need Johnny Neal though.

 

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  posted on 6/26/2020 at 07:54 AM
Gregg says in his book that Seven Turns is a very good album and it returned the band to the kind of album that they were making in the early 1970's.

In recent years Gregg said his favorite album by the ABB is Idlewild South and Midnight Rider was the song he was most proud of. Then a little later he said Eat A Peach. And Fillmore East is his favorite live album by any band. Very proud of it. And indeed he should have been.

 

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  posted on 6/26/2020 at 02:23 PM
I agree with Charlie Daniels. This is the best electric slide playing in the history of music. So smooth, clean, clear, perfectly placed notes and tons of energy and emotion. With respect to Jack Pearson, Derek Trucks, Warren etc, Duane was tops and like Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen, Gary Moore, B. B. King and other greats...a one of a kind and never be another one.

https://youtu.be/ezPZxfS1jys

 

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  posted on 6/26/2020 at 09:39 PM
I need to listen to stuff like this when Dickey is just playin' his butt off. It helps me get centered. We go through so much every day. We just need some clarity to help get back to what's important. Musical meditation.

 

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  posted on 6/27/2020 at 04:45 PM
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https://youtu.be/G1jpQu6qR1E

What tuning is this slide playing?


That is some gun slingin right there.

 

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