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  posted on 6/17/2020 at 04:26 PM
I imagine there will be a lot of pressure on the officer to take a plea, spare the city the heartache of a trial. Once an officer gets shot at with anything while in pursuit I can imagine their blood will be boiling. That could have garnered some sympathy had he not kicked Brooks after shooting him and refrained from providing medical attention. Not great, Bob.

 

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  posted on 6/17/2020 at 07:03 PM
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It's a terrible tragedy all around. That victim did not pose a threat to anyone at all, so there's no reason it should've escalated to anywhere near that point. If those officers were that afraid, that nervous, and panicked that much, they clearly should never have been hired as cops. If local governments are struggling to find quality recruits, then they better get their spending priorities straight. Enough is enough. I just hope we all try to understand the greater problem, and not take the easy way out by calling them "racist thug cops", because it's a much more complicated issue than that. Despite that, they should be charged and banned from being cops ever again, even if they get a not-guilty verdict. They don't have what it takes.


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The victim Rayshard Brooks, grabbed the the second [Devin Brosnan] cops taser. Brooks, reportedly turned attempting to shoot the arresting cop, Garrett Rolfe with the other cops taser. [Devin Brosnan].The arresting cop, Garrett Rolfe, fired 3 shots hitting Rayshard Brooks in the back with two-shots.

I saw the video and the 2nd cop, Devin Brosnan, was worried he could get-tased with his own taser that was stolen. He said "he's got my effin' taser". The victim, Rayshard Brooks, had parole violations that is why he was not going to be arrested and ran. It is also reported that he punched P.O. Brosnan before stealing his taser. So he assaulted a police officer, then stole his taser.

P.O. Garrett Rolfe shot Rayshard Brooks in the back two times while he was running.

The Georgia officials say you are not allowed to tase-someone who us running away much less shoot them and that P.O. Rolfe should have told Rayshard Brooks that he was being arrested for D.U.I. Georgia law requires this in D.U.I. cases. Well if Mr. Brooks did not run away the officer could have told him why they were planning on arresting him. What happened was Mr. Brooks ran away with a weapon stolen from a police officer during an arrest.

What was he going to do with that taser- later on? Use it on other police officers if they caught up with him or if he went home and they came to arrest him? If he did get away there would have been a warrant issued for him and police would have looked for him to apprehend him later.

The person who burned the restaurant down was a white woman. CNN had videos. If he had not grabbed the taser this might have had a different outcome. Shooting in the back is wrong but he could not let the guy escape with a taser when he could maybe use that on other people.

P.O. Rolfe is charged with 11 counts of felony murder, aggravated assault faces either the death penalty or life in jail.
P.O. Brosnan is charged with aggravated assault and 2 counts of violating his oath.

An employee of Wendy's did go out to the car and speak with the man, then police were called. Other cars were driving around the man's car picking up their food.

As to why a Wendy's employee shouldn't go out to the car and wake him. The guy could have had a heart attack or seizure, and a drive thru employee could be abducted, robbed or shot, if the guy had a gun he could have made her let him in the store to rob it. Yes this is NY logic, in the south people are more open and friendly.

Yeah probably none of those things would happen but you should not risk your life.

Https://news.yahoo.com/fired-atlanta-police-officer-garrett-195951012.html

Remarks: What should Officer Rolfe have done differently? Let Mr. Brooks escape armed with another P.O.'s taser- ?

Seriously once Mr. Brooks had that taser and aimed it at him what should he have done?











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  posted on 6/17/2020 at 07:13 PM
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^ The shotgun at my back time they came up behind me, I was at a pay phone in Arizona. Then it was "Freeze. Now Hang up the phone slowly and turn around, If you so much as sneeze you are a dead man." Then they searched me and tore up my truck. That was my welcome to Flagstsff Arizona, where I lived for the next 20 years.


They did not need to threaten you. They should have identified themselves Police. Freeze. Then told you to 'hang up the phone, turn around and put your hands up.

They must have been looking for someone and thought you were that person.

 

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  posted on 6/17/2020 at 07:21 PM
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This was not a DUI case. He wasn't driving. He was parked on private property. The request was to move the car. Based on the body cams released, the officers didn't call to ask if he should be brought in; it was their decision to escalate.



Cyclone, when did the law change? In the not so distant past if you were sitting behind the steering wheel and tested above the limit, parked, passed out, private property, anywhere, you got a DUI arrest.

 

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  posted on 6/17/2020 at 07:42 PM
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Cyclone, when did the law change? In the not so distant past if you were sitting behind the steering wheel and tested above the limit, parked, passed out, private property, anywhere, you got a DUI arrest.


That would be a question for a GA lawyer, but the current statute reads that the person must be driving or in control of a moving vehicle.

 

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  posted on 6/17/2020 at 08:16 PM
In Ga, it's a DUI if you are "operating, or in physical control of a motor vehicle". I guess they use the phrase "under physical control" as you being anywhere you could start and drive the vehicle.

 

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  posted on 6/17/2020 at 09:13 PM
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In Ga, it's a DUI if you are "operating, or in physical control of a motor vehicle". I guess they use the phrase "under physical control" as you being anywhere you could start and drive the vehicle.


The GA statute includes the word moving. I'm sure more info will be revealed - we know now there are 11 counts against the shooter Rolfe & 3 for Brosnan - and both have attorneys. Brooks was sleeping in the parked car & refused to drive it when asked by the Wendy's employee. Given the circumstances (the Wendy's caller told the dispatcher Brooks wasn't sick, was unarmed, asleep, inebriated & she just needed help in moving the car), I don't see a DUI case. Brooks made no attempt to drive the car; he ran. Obviously, the DUI charge is the least important issue now; shooting a man twice in the back, standing on his shoulder, & refusing to call for medical assistance for 2 minutes plus shooting a car w/3 civilian passengers isn't a winnable case, I don't think. Again, a taser isn't a lethal weapon in GA whereas a gun is.

Nice catch that Boynton Brother still has the same standards for who should be a cop.

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  posted on 6/18/2020 at 04:16 PM
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I saw the video and the cop was worried he could get-tased.


Which is why he shouldn't have been a cop. We need tougher people on the force than that.


By tough do you mean brutal?

 

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  posted on 6/18/2020 at 04:37 PM
What could or should he have done when the guy stole his partner's taser- and pointed it at him while running away? If he ran after him he would've gotten tased- and could even have lost HIS guns. He had to do something.

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  posted on 6/18/2020 at 05:13 PM
You cannot let someone run away with a taser, when you KNOW they have parole violations. When they in violation of parole, you have to arrest them.

What would they have done to these cops if they did that?

 

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  posted on 6/18/2020 at 05:45 PM
P.O. Brosnan suffered a concussion in the scuffle where his taser was stolen.

Https://nypost.com/2020/06/18/devin-brosnan-suffered-concussion-during-rays hard-brooks-altercation-lawyer/

P.O. Devin Brosnan got tased from his own taser- during the scuffle before Mr. Brooks ran away with it. So it was not just a threat when he pointed it at P.O. Rolfe. He had already zapped the other cop with it. P.O. Rolfe shot Mr. Brooks AFTER he punched P.O. Brosnan in the head, took his police taser and tased- Officer Brosnan with it.











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[Edited on 6/18/2020 by gina]

 

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  posted on 6/18/2020 at 07:39 PM
A jury is going to have a difficult time with this one.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2020 at 08:32 AM
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You cannot let someone run away with a taser, when you KNOW they have parole violations. When they in violation of parole, you have to arrest them.

What would they have done to these cops if they did that?




In light of recent history and the current state of relations between African-American men and the police - I am guessing that they likely might've experienced a (very) brief dressing-down (for losing the taser) followed by a pat on the back and an attaboy.

This has become a very complicated issue. Someone mentioned how surprised Rayshard Brooks must've been when the 'cuffs came out. I'm sure the officers were surprised at his sudden resistance. NO! I am not defending the cops! Brooks should've at least been allowed to leave his car and walk home. I think it would've been neighborly and community-serving had the cops gone as far as to offer Brooks a RIDE home. Nobody (including police officers) should get a pass for shooting someone in the back.

An aside: probably due to our ever-increasing population (baby boomers) - it seems like we've had to "accept" a lot of teachers, nurses, doctors and police officers who might've fallen short of requirements and expectations even 10 years ago. Most all of these professions should be (in my own feeble mind) "CALLINGS" rather than jobs or careers.

In the case of police officers - this seems to have become a "roll-over" job for folks coming right out of the military. I suppose the rationale is that if you can keep the citizens of rogue nations at bay - you can control more docile Americans. Most all employ techniques that they could get away with in places like Bagdad or Charikar (sp?) because nobody was looking.

 

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In Ga, it's a DUI if you are "operating, or in physical control of a motor vehicle". I guess they use the phrase "under physical control" as you being anywhere you could start and drive the vehicle.


The GA statute includes the word moving.


Well, moving or just behind the wheel in park, Brooks and the car got there somehow. So unless the theory is he drove to Wendy's, parked, and crushed a few beers, it's fair to assume that he drove inebriated at some point. Like I said earlier, cops are enforcers of the law and have less latitude on what to let pass. Had they let Brooks go, who is to say he couldn't have sneaked back to his car later? None of that excuses the excessive force, but I don't think Brooks was going to just walk home.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2020 at 10:13 AM
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None of that excuses the excessive force, but I don't think Brooks was going to just walk home.

Actually, he was. According to the video footage, the cop woke Brooks & directed him to drive a short distance & park his car in a spot. He's then asked to get out of the car & remains cooperative. After 38 minutes & before he takes the breathalyzer, he asks if he can leave his car in the spot & walk a short distance to his sister's house. Brooks never gives any indication that he intended to drive that night.

This is the point where cops have discretion. I said this earlier & a University of Pittsburgh law professor asked to analyze the tape said the cops could've chosen not to even bother w/a breathalyzer. He'd been standing, conversing, & polite for 40 minutes. They could've said OK, leave the car there, call someone to pick you up, or call an uber. "Nobody says he has to make an arrest here. The law does not require it.'”

Three law professors agree that a 40-minute detainment of Brooks could've led to nothing, a traffic summons, or a choice to escalate. They chose not only to escalate, but to use deadly force & fire into a line of civilian traffic (for which they are charged).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/17/rayshard-brooks-video -legal-experts-analyze-key-moments-shooting/3202332001/

My only point is that the officers had a choice & they made one that killed a man.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2020 at 10:44 AM
I agree, officers could have escorted him to his sister's house as he suggested. It depends on whether the officers are enforcing the intent of the law or the letter, and in this case they enforced the letter since he had probably already driven. My point is they did have cause to arrest him, even if they didn't have to. And even after he resisted, they still had no cause to use excessive force as he ran away from them.

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  posted on 6/22/2020 at 07:30 PM
I read there were other people in the car with him. If so, one of them could have driven. If not someone could have called him a cab. It did not have to go down like this. He could have parked in the back of the lot, sacked out till morning, then drove home. It just escalated with a tragic ending.

Https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8447687/Atlantas-Ebenezer-prepares -viewing-Rayshard-Brooks.html









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  posted on 6/25/2020 at 09:45 PM
Why have y’all given up on this so quickly? No mention of Natalie White? Was she mentioned being in the vehicle by Brooks during his interview with the officer? Did she have a relation w/ Brooks & the arson of the Wendy’s buildings? Why was she referred to as Brooks “girlfriend” by her attorney? Why did the family attorney avoid knowledge of her existence once she was arrested for torching the Wendy’s bldng? How could this be corroborated by both the NY Post and Atl Urinal &Constipation?
 
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