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Author: Subject: Is Anyone Else Shocked When A Rock Documentary Can't Get The Facts Straight?

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  posted on 5/25/2020 at 09:47 PM
No doubt people were blown away. But the legend grows, it likely stems from a single quote. It just helps to make the story even better.

As for that night, Graham alone is quoted as saying all sorts of various things. Because he didn't think people would be paying attention then - never mind 50 years later.

I have heard various times thrown out over the years. I am sure it was a long show and every body enjoyed themselves.

As for all the rest, there are far too many available shows from various months and the setlists just don't add up to these marathons shows. And not a single one has ever surfaced and peoples' memories after 50 years...…..well it sure seemed like 5 hours.

As I mentioned, I have heard Mt Jams that seemed to last an hour+ - but then on the recording it is 15 minutes. Pretty sure Derek is still on stage in Gilford finishing his solo years later. LOL - On the recording - he almost does the same solo twice during the tune. Some variations of course but not lots. Great solo - maybe why he played it again.

 

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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 07:53 AM
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As I mentioned, I have heard Mt Jams that seemed to last an hour+ - but then on the recording it is 15 minutes.

This reminded me of an old rumor about a 53-minute Mountain Jam from in Byron, GA in 1970. It was very specific and got people really curious - that would be the longest known Mountain Jam by the first lineup. Everyone knew there was a recording but it never got out as a bootleg. Years later the Atlanta Pop set was finally released, and they played Mountain Jam for about 53 minutes ... if you combine the two separate performances of the song spread out across their two sets from the festival. Oops.

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From the same book, Bill Graham’s recollections of the early-morning hours of 6/27/71

“The Brothers went on around 1:30 or 2 - the set ended around 5 - it was a brilliant, brilliant set - the audience didn’t demand more in those days, they respected that the musicians were humans

“They went back onstage, it must have been around 5:30 - they began an improvisational piece, w/the interplay of the guitars & organ - they did pattern structures, playing against each other

“It was heavenly music - it wasn’t hard rock, they just played these melodic blues riffs...whatever else

“They walked off the stage - the kids in the audience applauded - it was 5 after 7”

So on the one hand, that confirms they played a great, long set that night (we're all sure they did). On the other, he's now added half an hour or an hour - on the 27th he said they played for 4 to 4 1/2 hours, then in the book he makes it sound like they played for 5 or 5 1/2 hours. If the last song he's describing is Mountain Jam, it was usually 30-40 minutes and nothing close to 90.

 

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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 08:44 AM
my guess the mountain jam maybe had some tuning or something before it and that was counted by Graham?
 

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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 09:16 AM
The one area of general agreement is that it was sunup when the playing stopped
If so, that tells me it was thruout the nite
Bill Graham’s intro later that nite at the finale Said It All

 

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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 09:32 AM
Yes it is true it was daylight when they quit playing. Gregg has mentioned it and I found an interview with Dickey a few years ago and he says he had lost track of time and was surprised when people began to exit the theater by the emergency exits and sunlight came pouring into the theater. Dickey wasn't aware night time had ended.

I wasn't there that night and it is doubtful they played non stop for 8 hours. But it must have been more than 2 hours. And perhaps 4.

 

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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 09:58 AM
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my guess the mountain jam maybe had some tuning or something before it and that was counted by Graham?

There's no amount of tuning that gets a 30 or 40 minute song to 90, though. We can all agree to pretend they really played My Favorite Things that one time and that adds a few minutes, but that doesn't get you an hour. Coltrane could play that song for an hour, but it's a noisy atonal version that'd include long bass and piano solos. It's not much like the 13 minute version from the album.
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The one area of general agreement is that it was sunup when the playing stopped
If so, that tells me it was thruout the nite

Right, that part is pretty easy to confirm since there are websites that will tell you when the sun rose on different dates in history. Even if they quit before dawn at 5:26, it would have been getting lighter outside by 5.

 

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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 01:03 PM
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my guess the mountain jam maybe had some tuning or something before it and that was counted by Graham?

There's no amount of tuning that gets a 30 or 40 minute song to 90, though. We can all agree to pretend they really played My Favorite Things that one time and that adds a few minutes, but that doesn't get you an hour. Coltrane could play that song for an hour, but it's a noisy atonal version that'd include long bass and piano solos. It's not much like the 13 minute version from the album.
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The one area of general agreement is that it was sunup when the playing stopped
If so, that tells me it was thruout the nite

Right, that part is pretty easy to confirm since there are websites that will tell you when the sun rose on different dates in history. Even if they quit before dawn at 5:26, it would have been getting lighter outside by 5.



lol maybe they rebuilt a guitar on stage then tuned it

 

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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 01:24 PM
Didn't Dickey briefly have facial hair around this time? Maybe the whole band got a shave and a haircut onstage from 5:30 to 6 during Mountain Jam.
 

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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 01:41 PM
Just another example of the media printing whatever they want

 

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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 11:17 PM
Remember that they were not the only act.

So not like anyone thinks they played 8 hours. LOL

The whole show ran late and that is why they sun was rising.

It doesn't explain all the other marathons shows people claim to have witnessed or what could have possibly been played. The idea of playing every song for 30 minutes is comical but it never happened.

Two and a half hours is plenty so nothing to be knocked. I think in the grand scheme of things - the last lineup played the longest average shows followed closely by the Dickey/Warren era. My opinion and I can play the shows. If a 4/5 disc Original lineup show pops up then at least we know it happened once.

 

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  posted on 5/27/2020 at 04:36 PM
Red House was on the original.
Mitch is probably a matter of the writer researching and seeing him leave and return and got time lines messed up.
So many stories and myths get written over and over that often myth becomes fact. Much like all those 4+ hour Allman Brothers shows - Not a single one exists and yet people will insist they happened. Even though the band's setlists at the time in no way include enough songs unless every song was a half hour long.
One person will add a line like "Everyone walked out and no one said a word". Bullsh*t. LOL - Couple of thousand people just endure a supposed 14 hour blast of music ending with 6 hours of the ABB - and not a word.
But people who were not there will actually debate it and get upset if that BS is questioned. LOL
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Red House was not on the original USA release of "Are You Experienced".
Definelty Not.

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