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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 09:30 AM
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Oh, hell no! Listen...

"It would be stupid for African-Americans to support Donald Trump after what the President has done even if you're an African-American Republican," says Ravi Perry, an activist, and chair of the political science department at Howard University in Washington.

Perry says people outraged at Biden's comments ignore the context and an unwritten rule about racial remarks. A white person can't instruct black people on their racial identity. No pontificating about you can't be black if you like opera or anything like that.

They can, however, question the political identity and choices of a black person who votes for a President that spread a birther conspiracy theory about the nation's first black president, and said there were "very fine people on both sides" of a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, Perry says.

Biden's remarks were clumsy and off-putting but he had the right to ask that question, Perry says.

"His point is if you're voting for Trump in 2020 after all you've seen and heard, and you're a black person that certainly calls into question your black political identity," Perry says. "I agree with that wholeheartedly."

 

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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 09:46 AM
I live in MA so the presidential here is a foregone conclusion. But, this blue state has had a GOP governor more often than not the past 20 years, and we had a GOP senator. Not voting is not even a possibility. I voted for John Anderson in 80 even though I knew it "wouldn't count"

We need to abolish the electoral college

Back to the topic, it was a stupid comment. The unwritten rule regarding minorities, imo, is that you can make fun of yourself, but no one else can (disclosure, I'm Jewish).
Biden's comment was off. The sentiment behind it was reasonable, there are MUCH better ways to have said it. Better yet would have been someone who is African American say it for him.

 

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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 09:52 AM
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We need to abolish the electoral college


No way, no how, not ever.

 

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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 10:45 AM
Agree it will never happen, but twice this century the winner of the popular lost the electoral.
All because of an institution that was at least in part created to appease the slave states.

 

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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 11:55 AM
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Agree it will never happen, but twice this century the winner of the popular lost the electoral.
All because of an institution that was at least in part created to appease the slave states.


Disagree. It is because it is a Federal Election and all of the States must have EQUAL representation. Montana should have the same opportunity at being heard as N.Y. People CHOOSE to live in one state over another because of that states legislature and how their elected officials stand up for them. It's different in individual states, in Florida the people in Miami-Dade county vote differently than the people residing in Okaloosa Cty. on the panhandle, you make the decision to accept that by choosing to live in Fla, and not Maine. The states are all individually spoken for in the Congress and the Senate where they have an equal voice, why not go ahead and abolish them as well. We could have only the voters in N.Y. & California make choices and establish laws for everyone.

 

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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 12:55 PM
Here are a few ideas that I honestly would eliminate some problems:

1. NATIONAL Primaries Day - Hold ALL/EVERY state primary on the SAME FREAKIN' DAY! This way - everybody (including those of us who live in "red-headed stepchild" states) get the same opportunities to vote for the candidates that we want.

2. Eliminate the Electoral College - This archaic "institution" has more than once awarded the Presidency to the candidate who actually received the fewest votes. Sugar-coat this anyway you want, but this is a smoke and mirrors trick on the voters if there ever was one!

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3. The United STATE of America! - EVERY citizen has the EXACT SAME rights and privileges. What's legal there is legal here - same benefits for EVERY citizen.

 

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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 01:15 PM
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1. NATIONAL Primaries Day - Hold ALL/EVERY state primary on the SAME FREAKIN' DAY! This way - everybody (including those of us who live in "red-headed stepchild" states) get the same opportunities to vote for the candidates that we want.


Fair/Good idea


2. Eliminate the Electoral College - This archaic "institution" has more than once awarded the Presidency to the candidate who actually received the fewest votes. Sugar-coat this anyway you want, but this is a smoke and mirrors trick on the voters if there ever was one!


No way, no how, not ever.

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3. The United STATE of America! - EVERY citizen has the EXACT SAME rights and privileges. What's legal there is legal here - same benefits for EVERY citizen.



States rights my friend. 10th Amendment.

 

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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 02:02 PM
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Here are a few ideas that I honestly would eliminate some problems:

1. NATIONAL Primaries Day - Hold ALL/EVERY state primary on the SAME FREAKIN' DAY! This way - everybody (including those of us who live in "red-headed stepchild" states) get the same opportunities to vote for the candidates that we want.

2. Eliminate the Electoral College - This archaic "institution" has more than once awarded the Presidency to the candidate who actually received the fewest votes. Sugar-coat this anyway you want, but this is a smoke and mirrors trick on the voters if there ever was one!

Best for last ...

3. The United STATE of America! - EVERY citizen has the EXACT SAME rights and privileges. What's legal there is legal here - same benefits for EVERY citizen.



I'm on board for all of these.

 

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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 02:19 PM
Would it be fair to place "Anti-vaxxers" in the same category as "Anti-Constitutionalists"?

 

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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 04:03 PM
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Here are a few ideas that I honestly would eliminate some problems:

1. NATIONAL Primaries Day - Hold ALL/EVERY state primary on the SAME FREAKIN' DAY! This way - everybody (including those of us who live in "red-headed stepchild" states) get the same opportunities to vote for the candidates that we want.

2. Eliminate the Electoral College - This archaic "institution" has more than once awarded the Presidency to the candidate who actually received the fewest votes. Sugar-coat this anyway you want, but this is a smoke and mirrors trick on the voters if there ever was one!

Best for last ...

3. The United STATE of America! - EVERY citizen has the EXACT SAME rights and privileges. What's legal there is legal here - same benefits for EVERY citizen.



I'm on board for all of these.


I'm on board with 1 and 2, but not 3. Priorities and problems are different in rural areas than in big cities. An example might be driving age in farming areas. It seems reasonable that a kid helping on a farm be allowed to drive a couple miles on rural roads, but do we need younger people driving in downtown New York City?

But the whole electoral college is outdated. The Republicans like to say that it's not fair that NY and California get greater representation, of course until it effects them (remember Trump's rant in 2012?), but the reverse is true. Why should a vote in Wyoming count more than a vote in California? I could see it if there were only a few rural states, but there are a bunch of rural states where few people live. They already get greater representation in the senate than they should be entitled to, and I get that. It was put in place to even the playing field when the country was founded. But now, it just seems like a lot of empty land gets a disproportionate amount of influence.

 

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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 04:23 PM
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But the whole electoral college is outdated. The Republicans like to say that it's not fair that NY and California get greater representation, of course until it effects them (remember Trump's rant in 2012?), but the reverse is true. Why should a vote in Wyoming count more than a vote in California? I could see it if there were only a few rural states, but there are a bunch of rural states where few people live. They already get greater representation in the senate than they should be entitled to, and I get that. It was put in place to even the playing field when the country was founded. But now, it just seems like a lot of empty land gets a disproportionate amount of influence.


EXACTLY THIS! I'm fine with the Electoral College in theory - candidates winning states as opposed to popular vote. However, it only works if each person's vote is equally weighted, and currently they are not.

And agree regarding Primaries, put them on a single day. Most of the candidates had dropped out by the time my state's election date arrived. Other states had already decided the matter.

[Edited on 5/27/2020 by porkchopbob]

 

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  posted on 5/27/2020 at 09:28 AM
Good idea
We might need several primary days when there are >3 candidates l

 

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  posted on 5/27/2020 at 10:34 AM
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... And agree regarding Primaries, put them on a single day. Most of the candidates had dropped out by the time my state's election date arrived. Other states had already decided the matter.

[Edited on 5/27/2020 by porkchopbob]


Iowa - pop. 3million (slightly +), Rhode Island - pop. 1 million (slightly +) Vermont - pop. 646K (or so) - yet all of these states - states that would just about fit in my living room - essentially get to decide the slate for all other states. This should be cast by the wayside ASAP.

 

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