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  posted on 5/24/2020 at 01:29 AM
I actually did get his autograph. I rarely ever ask anyone for them but Icons like that - definitely.

You also clearly have no knowledge of anything he accomplished out side of some Bill Graham tale that hundreds have written about and as tales do - they vary. And who cares? You as you mention it over and over as if you were the one beaten. Guy beat his son and then got his ass kicked for it. Guess the security shouldn't have beat up a kid.

As for royalties, if you read what I wrote you may understand. Those blues artists that deserved royalties would not gave got them had they originally been given credit.

They signed publishing away immediately. Many of those artists cleaned the studios to make a few bucks. They were ripped off long before Zeppelin ripped them off.

Don't bother with facts though. In case you were wondering, the families/heirs were award cash from Zeppelin - thus they got the cash as I stated.

Glad I impressed you but sad to say it wasn't mutual.

 

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  posted on 5/24/2020 at 01:34 AM
Heroin was the decline and killer but Page quite simply - didn't play often and it showed.

You can't pick it up once every 5 to 10 years for a Reunion gig and be good.

When they did the Page/Plant tours, I think that was Jimmy's modern peak. Saw a bunch of shows on those tours are Jimmy was real good at all of them. Having another guitarists helped immensely.

Page/Crowes had moments and over all I liked it.

 

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  posted on 5/24/2020 at 07:57 AM
if Jimmy Page was sloppy Live the fans in the early days either never noticed it or cared. Saw them live in '70,71,73,74,75 and the energy was so incredible. Never noticed a bad performance.Think I saw them around '77 but was not memorable,he may have started to lose it for a bit. The other kind of average performance was a Firm tour in the mid 80's.
Saw Page again with Plant in the mid 90's and was still good-not the energy of before but great shows.
He set the bar really high with his early shows-iconic being the best description of the entire band!!
(think they should've turned up Jeff Becks guitar level in the video above though)

[Edited on 5/24/2020 by bettyhynes]

 

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  posted on 5/24/2020 at 08:12 AM
I saw them twice in early 1970's too bettyhynes. Loudest shows I ever attended. Actually too much for my ears. Page had a double neck SG and a beautiful Sunburst Les Paul he played some with a violin bow. I didn't notice him playing sloppy. Years later on TV long after Led Zeppelin Page was surprisingly sloppy. Drugs is what I figured. But these videos posted here recently was far worse. One would think they guy was just a beginner. Enough clams to fill up a big picnic basket.

But in the 70s I was in pressed with Page, Plant and especially the drummer

 

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  posted on 5/24/2020 at 09:58 PM
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Jimmy Page has always been a sloppy player in Live settings - that's just him....

Exactly!!

 

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  posted on 5/25/2020 at 07:11 AM
Yea, he is and sounds sloppy, but beyond that,his amp, the clean sound isn't clean enough, and the distortion isn't good. Makes the while thing sound way off. Clapton sounded great though.
 

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  posted on 5/25/2020 at 09:26 AM
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Jimmy Page has always been a sloppy player in Live settings - that's just him....


Someoone already "seconded" this remark but I will again. Jimmy is sloppy, that's always been his style. I didn't think the video was all that bad but I'm not a guitar player either. What I AM is a Jimmy Page fan going back to first seeing Zeppelin in 1971 and twice more in '73. All three of those shows were EPIC, still imprinted in my brain as my early rock education and rock FASCINATION. I never bothered seeing Zeppelin again. I knew that they could NEVER top what I heard at those three shows.

In another thread people are arguing about the length of ABB shows in the early days. Well, I'm not mistaken. That 1971 show (Zep III was the latest record) was 3-1/2 hours including 5 encores. My guitar playing buddy convinced me to go.............I didn't even know who Led Zeppelin was.........I was 16.

 

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  posted on 5/25/2020 at 10:46 AM
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I actually did get his autograph. I rarely ever ask anyone for them but Icons like that - definitely.

You also clearly have no knowledge of anything he accomplished out side of some Bill Graham tale that hundreds have written about and as tales do - they vary. And who cares? You as you mention it over and over as if you were the one beaten. Guy beat his son and then got his ass kicked for it. Guess the security shouldn't have beat up a kid.

As for royalties, if you read what I wrote you may understand. Those blues artists that deserved royalties would not gave got them had they originally been given credit.

They signed publishing away immediately. Many of those artists cleaned the studios to make a few bucks. They were ripped off long before Zeppelin ripped them off.

Don't bother with facts though. In case you were wondering, the families/heirs were award cash from Zeppelin - thus they got the cash as I stated.

Glad I impressed you but sad to say it wasn't mutual.


So you support slapping a kid around? Nice.

Now this guy really looks like he's a tough guy doesn't he. Keep that autograph in good shape. I'm sure it'll be worth a mint eventually besides the emotional attachment you have to Peter.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=%2f3Qw3PRv&id =15F36FDB9FB9B348022A35CF305B6492C0D6C112&thid=OIP._3Qw3PRvYMBkloujZI8L VgHaF8&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2fc8.alamy.com%2fcomp%2fB506ND%2fpeter-grant -manager-of-the-group-led-zeppelin-in-his-office-B506ND.jpg&exph=1043&a mp;expw=1300&q=Peter+Grant+LED+Zeppelin&simid=607994157110330351&am p;selectedIndex=8&ajaxhist=0


 

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  posted on 5/25/2020 at 11:26 AM
Some great live Zeppelin from 1969. Consider Page's speed, dexterity, and accuracy here versus anything post 1979:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnfgRfhdpeQ

 

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  posted on 5/25/2020 at 01:21 PM
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So you support slapping a kid around? Nice.


You need to keep up with the script here. I can't keep propping you up.

I said the exact opposite about hitting a kid. The incident that you constantly mention was caused because the Security (biker) hired by Bill Graham beat up Peter Grant's kid. So he got beat. You constantly refer to Grant needing helping. Actually just a matter of being tired and giving someone else a chance to beat him. I don't condone it in any way. But that is what happened.

I have seen many similar biker beatings over the years.

Even funnier now that you don't even know the story you quote so often. So to be sure here - Grant's son got beat up - the guy who did it got beaten for it. You are feeling sorry for the child beater. Grant is better than me as if you touch my kids - they won't even find you.

Don't mess with a man's kid especially Peter Grant. Reasonably sure that the lesson was learned.

 

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  posted on 5/25/2020 at 05:03 PM
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So you support slapping a kid around? Nice.


You need to keep up with the script here. I can't keep propping you up.

I said the exact opposite about hitting a kid. The incident that you constantly mention was caused because the Security (biker) hired by Bill Graham beat up Peter Grant's kid. So he got beat. You constantly refer to Grant needing helping. Actually just a matter of being tired and giving someone else a chance to beat him. I don't condone it in any way. But that is what happened.

I have seen many similar biker beatings over the years.

Even funnier now that you don't even know the story you quote so often. So to be sure here - Grant's son got beat up - the guy who did it got beaten for it. You are feeling sorry for the child beater. Grant is better than me as if you touch my kids - they won't even find you.

Don't mess with a man's kid especially Peter Grant. Reasonably sure that the lesson was learned.


Thanks for setting the record straight......I was about to go there. There was a podcast I posted recently with the author of a new book about Peter Grant. Very interesting. I hope to read it someday.

We all have moments in our life when we are not at our best. I can attest to that. I am the farthest from being self righteous. It's easy to point fingers.

We live in a society where the focus is more on the bad than good.....unfortunately.
Whether it's Jimmy Pages playing and Peter's approach to business in this thread
or whoever and whatever in the public eye.

I was going to go into this thread with more of a defensive attitude. Nah..ain't worth it.
I WORSHIP at the foot of Page,and Blackmore is right there with him as probably my top 2. I was listening to some live DP this weekend. Lord and Blackmore on stage were a dangerous duo.

Yeah I won't deny any of the posts about Jimmy's playing over the last few decades. I get it , it is what it is.....video is proof. I don't want to focus on negativity on this site like the WP and in the world of media

All I have to say is bury me with Physical Graffiti..nuff said.

[Edited on 5/25/2020 by jszfunk]

 

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  posted on 5/25/2020 at 08:28 PM
JSZ, when I critique Page's post-Zepp playing, it's not with any sense of joy, more a sense of bewilderment.

From 1968-77, Page wrote the textbook for hard rock playing. I think after Hendrix, he's the most influential "guitar hero" out there. That's what makes the immediate shift into not being as guitar heroic so remarkable. It's the kind of mysterious fall that makes ya want to believe the "deal with the devil gone wrong" stuff.

I still do buy just about anything that has his name on it. Jump on the "Jimmy Page's best post-Zepp stuff" and put some good recommendations on there!!

For that matter, we could use a "best Blackmore tracks" thread too.....

 

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  posted on 5/25/2020 at 09:35 PM
I have always been blown away that an artist could even get on a stage high on heroin; let alone play or sing.

 

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  posted on 5/25/2020 at 09:35 PM
Deep Purple is right beside Zeppelin in the heavily "borrowed" dept. Many of their riffs were straight out lifted.

Most of the Zeppelin borrowing came more from the lyrics.

We could point out millions.

Chuck Berry didn't come up with the 1-IV-V chord progression but based virtually every one of his songs on it. Then thousands borrowed from him. Somebody's family should be billionaires but they are not.

 

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