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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 07:14 PM
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So a lot to ponder.

Who knows where the pandemic will be at time of lead up to and during time frame of convention. How many more cases and deaths? What will be the culture in 2 months - rebel for "freedom" vs believe in science and take precautions of remaining healthy?

The state has to be willing to allow a convention a couple months from now. A lot of logistics goes into these events. Planning has to occur with contingencies in place. If NC says no, can another state other than Trump's state of mind host a convention in this time frame?


We're talking Trump & bluster. The RNC has budgeted for the convention. Trump - the great dealmaker - is acting like he's personally negotiating a lease where for "millions" in buildout, the "gate" is guaranteed. (The "gate" in this case is asses in seats for TV cameras).

The threshold of capacity is set by whatever the state's policy is for COVID19 statistics. Unless a state like TX says "we're open at 100% capacity no matter how many new cases, hospitalizations, & deaths," a state is going to have some capacity cap that isn't predictable now for late August. As I understand it, NC hasn't said it's not holding the convention; it's said the capacity of the arena in August is undetermined.

There are some people here who may know just how quickly & costly it would be to turn an arena into a convention site & back again given that stages/sets are built/struck all the time for shows.

 

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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 09:07 PM
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So a lot to ponder.

Who knows where the pandemic will be at time of lead up to and during time frame of convention. How many more cases and deaths? What will be the culture in 2 months - rebel for "freedom" vs believe in science and take precautions of remaining healthy?

The state has to be willing to allow a convention a couple months from now. A lot of logistics goes into these events. Planning has to occur with contingencies in place. If NC says no, can another state other than Trump's state of mind host a convention in this time frame?


We're talking Trump & bluster. The RNC has budgeted for the convention. Trump - the great dealmaker - is acting like he's personally negotiating a lease where for "millions" in buildout, the "gate" is guaranteed. (The "gate" in this case is asses in seats for TV cameras).

The threshold of capacity is set by whatever the state's policy is for COVID19 statistics. Unless a state like TX says "we're open at 100% capacity no matter how many new cases, hospitalizations, & deaths," a state is going to have some capacity cap that isn't predictable now for late August. As I understand it, NC hasn't said it's not holding the convention; it's said the capacity of the arena in August is undetermined.

There are some people here who may know just how quickly & costly it would be to turn an arena into a convention site & back again given that stages/sets are built/struck all the time for shows.


If they can't have full capacity, then they can always talk to Clint Eastwood about addressing empty chairs during a Republican conversation.

 

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  posted on 5/26/2020 at 09:37 PM
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The 805 started opening up today - Phase 2. We'll see. Right now, I'll just stick to going to the supermarkets along with a few restaurants for take out. Might take my truck to the car wash.

Just hope everyone out and about is safe and not stupid. The operative word is "hope"...
Went today to a market in Hawkinsville (about 35 miles from here) to replenish the meat supply. They require masks to enter, provide gloves to those who don't have them, and allow only 10 customers in the store at one time. All employees wear masks and gloves.
You get a personal sales rep at the door and he/she handles the transactions from start to walking it to the register.

I feel that as businesses open up again, that's the policy they should enforce.

Rusty--If you know how to get to Hawkinsville, go to M&T Meats. My wife declared we are no longer going out to get steaks.
Lets hope your meats were not infected by covid19 infected workers.


Well Pops, even if you get pork with the trichinosis cysts in it, if you cook it right, you don't get hurt.

How was your ham sandwich the other day? You do know that hogs like to roll in their own crap and eat garbage?
But they do make tasty sausage.

 

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  posted on 5/27/2020 at 04:49 PM
I get the argument that not all masks are effective as others, and since there are still shortages, the health workers should get the best ones.

What I don't get is acting like being asked to wear a mask is like having your foot amputated. It may not be proven to stop every case of transmission, it may never be PROVEN that they stop any transmission. However, it is not hard to put on a mask when you go inside a public place. It just isn't hard to do. If there is a chance that you may be an asymptomatic carrier, which is possible unless you get tested every day, it really is the right thing to do. If you would want an ER nurse who may have just treated someone with this or any other contagion to wear a mask around you if you had to go to the ER, you should really want to wear a mask around other people.

It is not control of the masses, if nobody gets fined or imprisoned for not doing it, which they don't. It is basically a request of decency.

I don't wear a mask in public because I have been forced to, I wear one because I choose to be thoughtful of the possibility that I could unknowingly spread this virus.

I think of the unbelievable guilt of the staff members who think they may have been the ones to bring it into a nursing home. I couldn't live with myself if I got someone sick because I thought wearing a mask was too much hassle.

Even if masks just are a visual reminder that things are not normal and social distancing which is proven to help should be followed, then wearing masks can help.

I feel like a lot (not all) of the protests across the board have been for the "freedom to not really give a sh!t about anyone else" or to prove that "nobody controls me".

I don't want people to be controlled by wearing masks in public, I would appreciate them to have the self-control to wear masks in public.


 

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  posted on 5/27/2020 at 05:51 PM
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What I don't get is acting like being asked to wear a mask is like having your foot amputated.

100%. I've never understood the downside of wearing a mask.

The only inconvenience I've come up w/is that the ill-mannered will essentially be forced to cover their sneezes & coughs & be unable to use the public sidewalks as their personal spitting ground. Beyond that, I've got nothing.

 

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  posted on 5/27/2020 at 10:01 PM
For the past 10 days Ohio is still in the 8000-9000 daily test range. Supposedly we have the capacity with the machines to run over 20,000 a day, but the components and the labor to run them is still lacking. The national guard is going to test all nursing home staff and residents who may've been exposed or suspected of being exposed in the coming days so will have to see if that effects the overall testing number. We have almost 1000 nursing homes.

New daily cases continue to range between 500-600. We continue to have about 900 patients a day in the hospital and ICU patients of 313 is the lowest it's been in 2 months. Daily deaths continue to be about 40 per day with the 7 day average sometimes dipping lower and sometimes jumping higher.

My county is seeing consistent new cases in the 14-16 range, about half of what it was 3 weeks ago. Hospitalizations are ticking up to about 3 a day now, the highest it's been since May 1. We had been about 1.5 to 2 per day just a week or two ago. Deaths continue at about 2-3 a day, down from 5-6 a day earlier this month.

 

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  posted on 5/30/2020 at 05:35 PM
This week I heard:

According to some "experts" reporting for Journal Science said 6' distance might not be enough, but wear masks.

Then the WHO says if you are healthy you only need to wear a mask if you are caring for somebody with covid.

And Dr Fauci says we might have a deployable vaccine by November-December, which when Trump has suggested that he got laughed at and Fauci himself has said repeatedly that most likely would take 12-18 months, or longer to develop.

So while everyone else is listening to the experts you can wake me up when they know what the hell they are talking about.

 
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