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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 11:09 AM
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”we’ve discredited the defense of “Trump is no different than previous Presidents.”


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You should go work for one of the corporate propaganda media outlets. I made a blanket statement about politicians in DC ($ and power) Most of Trumps detractors call him fascist (power) and/or using the office for personal financial gain ($) See a pattern? Being I never mention him, how is that deemed a "defense"? You didn't prove my power and money statement about DC politicians wrong, or what I mentioned above about Trumps detractors... So what exactly was "discredited" ?


i was referring to the general argument that I hear from many who support Trump for President, not you. in my lifetime, no president has ever been trashy, ignorant, and hostile. if you and Stephen want to paint them as such, go right ahead, I don’t care.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 11:20 AM
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i was referring to the general argument that I hear from many who support Trump for President, not you. in my lifetime, no president has ever been trashy, ignorant, and hostile. if you and Stephen want to paint them as such, go right ahead, I don’t care.


"In my lifetime". Roughly translated: "It could not have possibly existed before"!

You are quite the Historian. lol

 

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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 11:49 AM
never a denial.
 

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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 11:57 AM
Never a denial nothing, man they are loving every minute of it. Redhats = Brownshirts, same arrogant hostile ignorant swagger. John Wayne with a swastika.




[Edited on 2/12/2020 by BrerRabbit]

 

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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 06:28 PM
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If you really believed that taking sides to begin with is politically hypocritical self-righteous BS, then...you wouldn't take a side, no matter how proportionate the banter is or isn't.

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A person can make fun of something going on and it isn't automatically taking one side or another. You know this has been my position for quite awhile. We've been done this road years ago, had a cordial interchange, and decided to agree to disagree on the matter. You can set your watch to how certain members will react to things on this board, I'm just having fun at the expense of pseudo-intellectual lemmings.




I'm Jerry.

My contention to your notion is the same as it's always been.

If you dismiss everyone in the political arena as "all the same," then you must then excuse any and all actions carried out by anyone, and there is no sense of right and wrong.

If, say, a politician commits a murder, your notion then logically states that all politicians are murderers, or at the very least, are to be regarded as such, because, after all, they're all the same.

I still don't think that notion holds.

 

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i was referring to the general argument that I hear from many who support Trump for President, not you. in my lifetime, no president has ever been trashy, ignorant, and hostile. if you and Stephen want to paint them as such, go right ahead, I don’t care.


"In my lifetime". Roughly translated: "It could not have possibly existed before"!

You are quite the Historian. lol


Which past President would you compare Trump to?

 

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Which past President would you compare Trump to?


Andrew Johnson
Woodrow Wilson

Other than these guys had brains and weren't mouthbreathing senile morons, there are some similarities

 

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  posted on 2/13/2020 at 09:22 AM
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I'm Jerry.

My contention to your notion is the same as it's always been.

If you dismiss everyone in the political arena as "all the same," then you must then excuse any and all actions carried out by anyone, and there is no sense of right and wrong.

If, say, a politician commits a murder, your notion then logically states that all politicians are murderers, or at the very least, are to be regarded as such, because, after all, they're all the same.

I still don't think that notion holds.


The correct context of my opinion regarding "politicians in DC being the same" refers to power and money being all they care about.

Your excusing all Actions statement doesn't make any sense, I can say all gangbangers in. LA are the same..They just care about power through violence and money from drugs. So that automatically makes me excuse their actions cause I have no sense of right and wrong? That is pretty weak.

The murder by one makes them all murderers doesn't apply cause I've never stated they were all the same regarding everything. Anyone with common sense would never say that. After all they are different genders, race, age height, weight, eye color, hair color, political party, from different districts, states, married, single, gay, straight, children, no children, drive a car, take a train , fly, pro-choice, pro-life, gun owner, gun control, and it goes on and on None of that changes my opinion.

 

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  posted on 2/13/2020 at 10:27 AM
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How can he be unique enough to blow up the system, but also the same as anyone else? Certainly you can see the contradiction.


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I believe the office of the President is just a puppet. Have no idea exactly who, so what exactly gets drained and by whom? To me there is no contradiction


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The correct context of my opinion regarding "politicians in DC being the same" refers to power and money being all they care about.

I've never stated they were all the same regarding everything.


in other words, it's the first time any of us have ever seen a President of the United States regularly attack and harrass fellow Americans, sow distrust towards our federal law enforcement, intelligence, and courts, all while praising foreign adversaries. once again, there's never a denial about this. therefore, the point about Trump sharing common traits of past Presidents is merely an attempt to move the focus in a different direction. but why? imagine you are a GM of a big company. you hire someone with a strong track record of sales success, but a bit of an arrogant loose cannon. you take the risk and hire him anyway. after a year, he commits fraud and sexually harrasses several employees, which leads to multiple lawsuits, federal mandates, and massive fines. now imagine being called into the CEO's office where you have to explain it all to him and the board of directors. it would be the longest and tougest walk of shame in your life. some Trump supporters refuse to take this walk. this is why they say "...but they are actually all the same", "but Hillary", "but the (normal) economy".



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  posted on 2/13/2020 at 11:02 AM
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n other words, it's the first time any of us have ever seen a President of the United States regularly attack and harrass fellow Americans, sow distrust towards our federal law enforcement, intelligence, and courts, all while praising foreign adversaries. once again, there's never a denial about this. therefore, the point about Trump sharing common traits of past Presidents is merely an attempt to move the focus in a different direction. but why? imagine you are a GM of a big company. you hire someone with a strong track record of sales success, but a bit of an arrogant loose cannon. you take the risk and hire him anyway. after a year, he commits fraud and sexually harrasses several employees, which leads to multiple lawsuits, federal mandates, and massive fines. now imagine being called into the CEO's office where you have to explain it all to him and the board of directors. it would be the longest and tougest walk of shame in your life. some Trump supporters refuse to take this walk. this is why they say "...but they are actually all the same", "but Hillary", "but the (normal) economy".



[Edited on 2/13/2020 by Skydog32103]



That is your perspective, on things, some will agree, others won't. Why care about what supporters of someone does or doesn't do? You have no control over that and yelling/screaming "you're wrong" is proven to be the worst possible way to change someone's mind.

 

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  posted on 2/13/2020 at 11:39 AM
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Why care about what supporters of someone does or doesn't do? You have no control over that and yelling/screaming "you're wrong" is proven to be the worst possible way to change someone's mind.


it's just a debate topic, nothing more, so relax a little. i'm posing a topic for discussion: if the right was concerned about the direction of the country, what made them think that choosing a hostile buffoon was the solution to restoring it back to greatness?


 

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  posted on 2/13/2020 at 01:38 PM
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it's just a debate topic, nothing more, so relax a little. i'm posing a topic for discussion: if the right was concerned about the direction of the country, what made them think that choosing a hostile buffoon was the solution to restoring it back to greatness?




Do you have a patent on the term "relax" or something? The frequency of its usage makes it seem you get monetary compensation Usually when inquiring about why a particular group thinks or does something,, the smart move would be to ask them? For some insane reason, you continue to ask me why the "right" does or doesn't do something. It's like me saying, "I have never took a vacation out of the USA besides a few trips to Ireland" and you come and ask me" why do people who vacation in Mexico don't worry about being kidnapped "?

If I was to guess "why"? I'd factor in the empirical evidence that Independents and Reagan Democrats also voted the "hostile buffoon" into Office. The finger points in more than one direction. Also, the possibility exists that the policies of the previous ruling party contributed to the concept of try something "different" . Of course, it's just speculation on my part. I'm just a dumb @$$ biker.

 

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  posted on 2/13/2020 at 02:55 PM
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the possibility exists that the policies of the previous ruling party contributed to the concept of try something "different"


the anti-Obama crowd banded together to elect a buffoon to terrorize our federal law enforcement and decorated war heroes? they sound like a nice bunch.

 
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