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  posted on 10/10/2019 at 09:22 PM
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how are they going to get the illegally possessed firearms out of the hands of criminals who, by laws already passed, should not even be around a firearm?


What you're really asking is how to dismantle and destroy the black market, which seems like an impossible task - unless a state passes laws that allow them to conduct random house raids on convicted felons' homes, or routine traffic stop and searches. But stopping the black market? I'd say that's impossible.

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Are they promising to enforce laws to prosecute those who use firearms to commit crimes?
What are they proposing to help regular citizens to keep them from being prevented to purchase and keep firearms?


These are all questions for your Republican leaders in your state and in Washington. Democrats are eager to pass measures to keep guns out of the hands of the wrong people.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2019 at 10:35 PM
Thankfully that’s where Everyone - Repub/Dem, liberal/consrvtv, young/old etc.......
Is on the same page

NO ONE Wants To See Guns In The Hands Of The Wrong People - it’s a straight common-sense non-political thing -

I agree w/Skydog32103, whether legally or on the black market, as long as you flash the cash Anyone, dirtbags included, can buy one - no point in trying to regulate that aspect of it, it’s free enterprise


[Edited on 10/11/2019 by Stephen]

 

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age shouldn't be kept in the closet but debated in public forums in addition to ideology.

Can we talk age after Sander's heart attack (that was kept secret for 3 days)? Worse, his stonewalling to admit it?

 

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  posted on 10/11/2019 at 09:53 AM
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But stopping the black market? I'd say that's impossible.


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Democrats are eager to pass measures to keep guns out of the hands of the wrong people


Herein lies the quandary Democrats find themselves entangled in.....To do "Nothing" looks bad if not cataclysmic the people who want guns banned, so the leadership feels the need to do "something" even when it means a Law that affects the Law abiding citizen. It is the illusion of action that drives the narrative. When we can all sit down and admit that the first statement here is the core of the issue and the one that should be addressed, we'll be on the road to a "solution", until then everything else is a band-aid on a severed artery.

 

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  posted on 10/11/2019 at 12:10 PM
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To do "Nothing" looks bad if not cataclysmic the people who want guns banned, so the leadership feels the need to do "something" even when it means a Law that affects the Law abiding citizen.


Protecting innocent lives from mass slaughter is, and should always be, a higher priority than how some people might feel "affected" by a few extra steps in the gun purchase process.

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It is the illusion of action that drives the narrative. When we can all sit down and admit that the first statement here is the core of the issue and the one that should be addressed, we'll be on the road to a "solution", until then everything else is a band-aid on a severed artery.


Until we can all admit that your statement is the core, then.....



[Edited on 10/11/2019 by Skydog32103]

 

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But stopping the black market? I'd say that's impossible.


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Democrats are eager to pass measures to keep guns out of the hands of the wrong people


Herein lies the quandary Democrats find themselves entangled in.....To do "Nothing" looks bad if not cataclysmic the people who want guns banned, so the leadership feels the need to do "something" even when it means a Law that affects the Law abiding citizen. It is the illusion of action that drives the narrative. When we can all sit down and admit that the first statement here is the core of the issue and the one that should be addressed, we'll be on the road to a "solution", until then everything else is a band-aid on a severed artery.


Assuming that “the first statement here is the core of the issue and the one that should be addressed,” refers to Skydog32103’s statement in this post about the black market.....

I would agree that it’s the core of the issue & where most gun violence originates from
Addressing it is what seems so impossible to do - at least via politics/legislation - again, $$$ talks

 

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To do "Nothing" looks bad if not cataclysmic the people who want guns banned, so the leadership feels the need to do "something" even when it means a Law that affects the Law abiding citizen.


Protecting innocent lives from mass slaughter is, and should always be, a higher priority than how some people might feel "affected" by a few extra steps in the gun purchase process.

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It is the illusion of action that drives the narrative. When we can all sit down and admit that the first statement here is the core of the issue and the one that should be addressed, we'll be on the road to a "solution", until then everything else is a band-aid on a severed artery.


Until we can all admit that your statement is the core, then.....


Ooops!..I forgot Mental Health! #1...with the "Black Market" (Obtained other than through a legal purchase) for guns running in at #2

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a few extra steps in the gun purchase process.


How does this solve the problem of Felons/people w/the intent to harm obtaining guns on the street?

 

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  posted on 10/15/2019 at 10:56 AM
She’s not an officially declared POTUS Democratic candidate
However, story in today’s paper says Michelle Obama emerged tops in a poll of NH voters (“1 in 4 Granite State voters”) voted for her

I find this amazing - first I’ve heard her name mentioned as a possible political candidate
If it’s any indication of a national trend, then the mood of the electorate is real fickle - certainly speaks loud & clear about what NH voters think of the Declared crop of Dems

[Edited on 10/15/2019 by Stephen]

 

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  posted on 10/15/2019 at 12:43 PM
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a few extra steps in the gun purchase process.


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How does this solve the problem of Felons/people w/the intent to harm obtaining guns on the street?


You were talking about how a future gun purchasing law might “affect” a law-abiding citizen, remember?

If you want to discuss how to stop the black market, then that’s a whole different animal.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2019 at 10:09 AM
All these candidates and I have no one to vote for on either side. I prefer someone in the middle, who can work with both sides. Romney, Kasich ?
We're going to get stuck with President Bone Spurs for 4 more years. Just what Putin wants. The rest of the world is laughing at US.
Very discouraging to see good people still drinking this guy's kool-aid.How anyone with any respect for their fellow humans, and has any compassion for people with less, can support this guy is mind blowing.
I love my country, but this two party system blows. Both parties are becoming to extreme for me.

I don't post too much, ( have gotten schooled a couple times ) , but I had to get this out.

 

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School em back

 

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  posted on 10/21/2019 at 11:47 AM
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Questions: With all the "gun control" talk, how are they going to get the illegally possessed firearms out of the hands of criminals who, by laws already passed, should not even be around a firearm?
Are they promising to enforce laws to prosecute those who use firearms to commit crimes?
What are they proposing to help regular citizens to keep them from being prevented to purchase and keep firearms?


Nothing will ever change in regards to gun control. Ever. Your arsenal is safe and it always will be.


You must not be listening to your candidates.

 

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  posted on 10/21/2019 at 12:25 PM
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how are they going to get the illegally possessed firearms out of the hands of criminals who, by laws already passed, should not even be around a firearm?


What you're really asking is how to dismantle and destroy the black market, which seems like an impossible task - unless a state passes laws that allow them to conduct random house raids on convicted felons' homes, or routine traffic stop and searches. But stopping the black market? I'd say that's impossible.

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Are they promising to enforce laws to prosecute those who use firearms to commit crimes?
What are they proposing to help regular citizens to keep them from being prevented to purchase and keep firearms?


These are all questions for your Republican leaders in your state and in Washington. Democrats are eager to pass measures to keep guns out of the hands of the wrong people.


Actually it's a question for all legislators no matter what party affiliation they have.

There are so many thousands of firearm laws and regulations on the books. I have seen several times legislation passed that shows "see, we're doing something" that is already on the books. Nothing really gets done, just a feel good knee jerk deed done.
laws need to be passed that would get the attention of criminals, and would be criminals, that actually mean something.
Why pass a law or regulation that restricts the rights of a law abiding citizen? Why not pass laws that could hurt the ones breaking the law?
How about a prison sentence of about 20 years if you use a firearm in a crime, to be served BEFORE starting the sentence for the crime? Armed robbery should get 10 to 20 years. Serve the 20 years of use of a firearm in the commission of a crime, then the 10 to 20 for the armed robbery. No plea down on the 20 years, no good behavior clause, no parole adjustments, no nothing. You serve the 20 years. When you start to serve the time for the crime, then starts the time off for good behavior, chance for parole, and all the other programs to shorten time served. BUT, the 20 years served for the firearms charge does not count toward them.
We don't need more laws to restrict the constitutional rights of those who wish to own a firearm.

 

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  posted on 10/21/2019 at 02:51 PM
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and would be criminals, that actually mean something.


Now you are onto something. "Would be" criminals....I agree, so what type of law are you proposing that would prevent these millennial psychopath mass shooters who have no criminal record and no health records, from purchasing a firearm? I'll support just about anything that accomplishes this.


 

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  posted on 10/21/2019 at 03:20 PM
Such legislation would be impossible to enact IMO
Gun shop owners gotta stay in business - if they can’t sell to people w/no criminal records, health records & meet other criteria, how can they do that - how are they supposed to know that the customer they’re selling to has a twisted mind & murderous intent, clean background & all

It’s a tough problem, one which decades & decades of discussion has yet to solve

 

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Questions: With all the "gun control" talk, how are they going to get the illegally possessed firearms out of the hands of criminals who, by laws already passed, should not even be around a firearm?
Are they promising to enforce laws to prosecute those who use firearms to commit crimes?
What are they proposing to help regular citizens to keep them from being prevented to purchase and keep firearms?


Nothing will ever change in regards to gun control. Ever. Your arsenal is safe and it always will be.


You must not be listening to your candidates.


Been hearing about gun control my whole life. Nothing has changed, nor will it. There's more guns than ever.

 

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  posted on 10/21/2019 at 04:28 PM
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Nothing has changed, nor will it. There's more guns than ever.


It is a win win for all ! Psychos go ballistic create fear and chaos so folks freak out and need brain meds then buy guns they shoot people creating more mayhem so more people flip and so on. Meanwhile weapons industry thrives, pharma thrives, prison industry thrives, the system WORKS.


 

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  posted on 10/22/2019 at 12:08 PM
Democratic "Front-Runner" Elizabeth Warren on being asked to comment on the Death of Mollite Tibbets:

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Berman: I want to get one last question in here, because it is a story, a very important story in the news, it has to do with Mollie Tibbetts, the young woman in Iowa who was murdered, her body believed to be found yesterday. A person has been charged with it, this person is an undocumented immigrant. Mike Pence and the president have suggested the immigration laws need to be stronger so that people like this man, who was accused of this murder, were not in the country. Your reaction?

Warren: I’m so sorry for the family here, and I know this is hard, not only for her family but for the people in her community, the people throughout Iowa. But one of the things we have to remember is we need an immigration system that is effective, that focuses on where real problems are. Last month, I went down to the border and I saw where children had been taken away from their mothers. I met with those mothers — who had been lied to, who didn’t know where their children were, hadn’t had a chance to talk to their children — and there was no plan for how they would be reunified with their children. I think we need immigration laws that focus on people who pose a real threat, and I don’t think mamas and babies are the place that we should be spending our resources. Separating a mama from a baby does not make this country safer.


Thanks Elizabeth, let's compare an accused Murderer to border policy. She seems to excel at not answering the question asked her.

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  posted on 10/22/2019 at 12:55 PM
At least with Dems you can enjoy freely criticizing. It is fun. Liberals rip on other libs all the time. I have openly criticized Obama's corporate whoring, have trashed Al Gore, any validity he might have is killed by his fat ass and mansions and his fascist music censorship wife Tipper.

Never a whisper from conservatives against the dominant consevatives - only allowed to pile up on dissenters like McCain, Rubio. Gotta close ranks against those demon liberals! Closest I ever hear to criticism of Trump is "He's not Hilary".

It must be very difficult to recognize, let alone accept, that you are voluntarily forfeiting your liberty.


[Edited on 10/22/2019 by BrerRabbit]

 

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At least with Dems you can enjoy freely criticizing. It is fun. Liberals rip on other libs all the time. I have openly criticized Obama's corporate whoring, have trashed Al Gore, any validity he might have is killed by his fat ass and mansions and his fascist music censorship wife Tipper.

Never a whisper from conservatives against the dominant consevatives - only allowed to pile up on dissenters like McCain, Rubio. Gotta close ranks against those demon liberals! Closest I ever hear to criticism of Trump is "He's not Hilary".

It must be very difficult to recognize, let alone accept, that you are voluntarily forfeiting your liberty.



I will freely "Criticize" any Politician or Party that espouses beliefs and ideals that are in direct contrast with mine. So, I guess I am FAR closer to identifying with the right than the left.

Your mileage may vary.

 

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I will freely "Criticize" any Politician or Party that espouses beliefs and ideals that are in direct contrast with mine


You won't. And don't. Nary a whisper of dissent from any of you on issues you pretend to stand for, if at odds with the hard line. You can't utter a sound or you will be reviled by your peers.


[Edited on 10/23/2019 by BrerRabbit]

 

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At least with Dems you can enjoy freely criticizing. It is fun. Liberals rip on other libs all the time. I have openly criticized Obama's corporate whoring, have trashed Al Gore, any validity he might have is killed by his fat ass and mansions and his fascist music censorship wife Tipper.

Never a whisper from conservatives against the dominant consevatives - only allowed to pile up on dissenters like McCain, Rubio. Gotta close ranks against those demon liberals! Closest I ever hear to criticism of Trump is "He's not Hilary".

It must be very difficult to recognize, let alone accept, that you are voluntarily forfeiting your liberty.



I will freely "Criticize" any Politician or Party that espouses beliefs and ideals that are in direct contrast with mine. So, I guess I am FAR closer to identifying with the right than the left.

Your mileage may vary.


That certainly leaves quite the list of things you agree with, but that was no secret anyway.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2019 at 06:20 PM
Wonder if the resident “constitutionalists” agree with the President’s belief that a clause of the Constitution is “phony.”

Bah. They don’t care.

Wonder if they’d care if someone said the same thing about the 2nd Amendment.

They’d probably care.

 

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