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  posted on 1/12/2019 at 08:13 AM
https://youtu.be/LowLCV3e-n4
 
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  posted on 1/12/2019 at 09:25 AM
Thanks for posting this link....Very cool of not only the Brothers laying it down, but the host is very good at explaining and critiquing what he's hearing and seeing. Very enjoyable all the way around even it you're not a guitar geek.
 

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  posted on 1/12/2019 at 10:56 AM
Really enjoyed this and clearly the host is very impressed with the subtle flourshies and touches they do that separates their playing from average to advanced.

Saw a good cover band last night at a fundraiser. The guitar player was clean but a shreder. Very fast. Went up to compliment him during the break and he thanked me. He played a Steve Vai custom Ibenez as his number one and a Jackson as a backup.

I told him I'm a long time ABB fan and like guitar players in general. He said he was born in 1982 and didn't notice the ABB until the 90's. Naturally I was dazzled when I heard Steve Vai the first time in the 1980s in David Lee Roth's band but the player I met last night said without a doubt the greatest electric guitar player on the face of the Earth is Steve Vai. That he can blow by anybody that's been in the ABB or LS for that matter. I said hmmmm. Then added the fastest shredding I've seen is Gary Moore playing The Messiah Will Come on a red Stratocaster on YouTube. He said Gary was probably better than Eddie Van Halen but not Steve Vai. And the ABB wasn't heavy enough for his tastes.

Some people aren't that impressed with the ABB and I just don't get it. To me it's the best collection of songs from any band. Sure some aren't winners such as Straight From The Heart but you know what I mean.

I asked him did he have a favorite ABB moment and he said his sister's husband likes the ABB and Govt Mule and he hears the records occasionally when around them and to his ears the best ABB guitar solo he really thought smoked was the second solo on Liz Reed on Fillmore East but didn't know who it was playing it. I told him it was probably my all time favorite ABB solo too and that is ABB member Butch Trucks playing it and he said " oh. I've heard of him. He's okay on slide but I didn't know he played straight lead that well". I didn't reveal Butch was their drummer.

Anyone agree that Steve Vai is the hottest electric player on Earth?

 

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  posted on 1/12/2019 at 12:44 PM
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Really enjoyed this and clearly the host is very impressed with the subtle flourshies and touches they do that separates their playing from average to advanced.

Saw a good cover band last night at a fundraiser. The guitar player was clean but a shreder. Very fast. Went up to compliment him during the break and he thanked me. He played a Steve Vai custom Ibenez as his number one and a Jackson as a backup.

I told him I'm a long time ABB fan and like guitar players in general. He said he was born in 1982 and didn't notice the ABB until the 90's. Naturally I was dazzled when I heard Steve Vai the first time in the 1980s in David Lee Roth's band but the player I met last night said without a doubt the greatest electric guitar player on the face of the Earth is Steve Vai. That he can blow by anybody that's been in the ABB or LS for that matter. I said hmmmm. Then added the fastest shredding I've seen is Gary Moore playing The Messiah Will Come on a red Stratocaster on YouTube. He said Gary was probably better than Eddie Van Halen but not Steve Vai. And the ABB wasn't heavy enough for his tastes.

Some people aren't that impressed with the ABB and I just don't get it. To me it's the best collection of songs from any band. Sure some aren't winners such as Straight From The Heart but you know what I mean.

I asked him did he have a favorite ABB moment and he said his sister's husband likes the ABB and Govt Mule and he hears the records occasionally when around them and to his ears the best ABB guitar solo he really thought smoked was the second solo on Liz Reed on Fillmore East but didn't know who it was playing it. I told him it was probably my all time favorite ABB solo too and that is ABB member Butch Trucks playing it and he said " oh. I've heard of him. He's okay on slide but I didn't know he played straight lead that well". I didn't reveal Butch was their drummer.

Anyone agree that Steve Vai is the hottest electric player on Earth?



Can't stand Vai and Satriani..

 

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  posted on 1/12/2019 at 12:51 PM
"Phil, from Wings of Pegasus"

Watched a number of these....never a bad word spoken

 

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  posted on 1/12/2019 at 01:00 PM
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Really enjoyed this and clearly the host is very impressed with the subtle flourshies and touches they do that separates their playing from average to advanced.

Saw a good cover band last night at a fundraiser. The guitar player was clean but a shreder. Very fast. Went up to compliment him during the break and he thanked me. He played a Steve Vai custom Ibenez as his number one and a Jackson as a backup.

I told him I'm a long time ABB fan and like guitar players in general. He said he was born in 1982 and didn't notice the ABB until the 90's. Naturally I was dazzled when I heard Steve Vai the first time in the 1980s in David Lee Roth's band but the player I met last night said without a doubt the greatest electric guitar player on the face of the Earth is Steve Vai. That he can blow by anybody that's been in the ABB or LS for that matter. I said hmmmm. Then added the fastest shredding I've seen is Gary Moore playing The Messiah Will Come on a red Stratocaster on YouTube. He said Gary was probably better than Eddie Van Halen but not Steve Vai. And the ABB wasn't heavy enough for his tastes.

Some people aren't that impressed with the ABB and I just don't get it. To me it's the best collection of songs from any band. Sure some aren't winners such as Straight From The Heart but you know what I mean.

I asked him did he have a favorite ABB moment and he said his sister's husband likes the ABB and Govt Mule and he hears the records occasionally when around them and to his ears the best ABB guitar solo he really thought smoked was the second solo on Liz Reed on Fillmore East but didn't know who it was playing it. I told him it was probably my all time favorite ABB solo too and that is ABB member Butch Trucks playing it and he said " oh. I've heard of him. He's okay on slide but I didn't know he played straight lead that well". I didn't reveal Butch was their drummer.

Anyone agree that Steve Vai is the hottest electric player on Earth?
I'd say Jeff Beck.

 

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  posted on 1/12/2019 at 01:25 PM
I like that guy. He also has other videos featuring Duane from FE and Dickey doing live version of Jessica. It's kind of fun to hear his reactions since he's new to the them, and points out things that I now take for granted. I do get a bit distracted by his accent and hair, can't help thinking of Spinal Tap, haha.

 

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  posted on 1/12/2019 at 01:58 PM
There is no better or best - only different. All players bring a unique style and ability. Could BB KIng play some speed run that Steve Vai can do? No. Can Steve hit that one note vibrato and sound exactly like BB? No.


Can Derek Trucks play fast classical runs like Yngwie Malmsteen? No. Can Yngwie play slide and improvise like Derek? No.

The debates are fun but in the end it is what the listener likes. I have been amazed at Neil Young's one note solos for years and how people will say he is good. I guess he is if they like it.


I have always said that Trucks/Haynes wasted time with the ABB guys and should have had a side project. They would have made 4 or 5 albums over those years. Add Oteil and Matt and off to the races.

 

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  posted on 1/12/2019 at 02:34 PM
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There is no better or best - only different. All players bring a unique style and ability. Could BB KIng play some speed run that Steve Vai can do? No. Can Steve hit that one note vibrato and sound exactly like BB? No.


Can Derek Trucks play fast classical runs like Yngwie Malmsteen? No. Can Yngwie play slide and improvise like Derek? No.

The debates are fun but in the end it is what the listener likes. I have been amazed at Neil Young's one note solos for years and how people will say he is good. I guess he is if they like it.



This is one of the first profound thoughts I took and learned from this site, back when I started lurking here back in'03-'04, prior to that You would hear me say "Oh that band sucks" or "this band is so much better", being here, is where I learned a bit more tolerance for other types of art and music, at least now when confronted with something new, or something not exactly in my groove, I can accept it and appreciate that there are those who DO like it........Peace........joe

This guy's reviews and discussions are pretty cool, I have seen him dissect Roy Clark, Glenn Campbell, a lot of the greats!

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  posted on 1/12/2019 at 05:45 PM
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There is no better or best - only different. All players bring a unique style and ability. Could BB KIng play some speed run that Steve Vai can do? No. Can Steve hit that one note vibrato and sound exactly like BB? No.


Can Derek Trucks play fast classical runs like Yngwie Malmsteen? No. Can Yngwie play slide and improvise like Derek? No.

The debates are fun but in the end it is what the listener likes. I have been amazed at Neil Young's one note solos for years and how people will say he is good. I guess he is if they like it.


I have always said that Trucks/Haynes wasted time with the ABB guys and should have had a side project. They would have made 4 or 5 albums over those years. Add Oteil and Matt and off to the races.



Exactly. As Gregg once said there are only two kinds of music- the kind you like and the kind you don't. The great thing about music is there is endless variety. Dickey also said guitar playing is not a competitive sport, which is right. But people get obsessed with lists of the best, who's better than who, whatever. I personally would rather listen to Dickey and Duane or Garcia or BB over Vai any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.
I will say that when it comes to guitar, there often is an emphasis on technical skills over musicality , which doesn't seem to happen with other instruments or singers.

 

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  posted on 1/12/2019 at 08:59 PM
I think of it like this: Steve Vai has an incredible vocabulary - Derek Trucks is a much better story teller. Vai knows all the words but struggles to engage you in the story sometimes, lots of other guys are able to engage you in the journey and make you feel something the way Vai often can't for me.

 

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  posted on 1/12/2019 at 09:49 PM
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I will say that when it comes to guitar, there often is an emphasis on technical skills over musicality , which doesn't seem to happen with other instruments or singers.


Iíve always thought that is borne of the versatility that the instrument permits. Really none other like it that allows so many different styles. Itís strings and you donít have a bow. Microtones and hands and everything inbetween and you can do whatever you want.

So thereís something for everyone.


 

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  posted on 1/12/2019 at 10:28 PM
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I think of it like this: Steve Vai has an incredible vocabulary - Derek Trucks is a much better story teller. Vai knows all the words but struggles to engage you in the story sometimes, lots of other guys are able to engage you in the journey and make you feel something the way Vai often can't for me.


Good analogy. Vai has a great vocabulary, but to my ears it's in a whole different language from the guys I like. That's one of the things that made Duane so special. He had both great vocabulary and great story telling - it hits me just right. I would never begrudge anyone who prefers Vai, it's just a matter of taste really.

 

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  posted on 1/13/2019 at 04:02 AM
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Anyone agree that Steve Vai is the hottest electric player on Earth?


No.....this guy is, hands down.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6vUsumUmdeY

 

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  posted on 1/13/2019 at 06:51 AM
It is a shame another ABB studio album did not happen as Derek said they would of made a great album.
 

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  posted on 1/13/2019 at 07:56 AM
Apparently Butch Trucks was opposed to doing another studio album as they would have to pay for the production sans a record deal. And the last album, Hitting the Note sold about 200,000 copies and once Butch said less than 200, 000 so Butch just felt the band's bread and butter was performing live. But Warren and Derek wanted to evolve and record. Gregg eventually said they would do another album with or without Butch Trucks. But by 2007 Gregg was more interested in his solo band and never really pushed a new album and Warren and Derek decided they too would devote more time to their other projects so the Brothers began cutting their tours down after the Beacon each year. I read everything Butch wrote on the internet for decades. It was very insightful and you could just about predict what would happen next. I think Butch hurt his own cause by being negative on another album. Butch wanted more touring and more festivals including ones he was developing and have it connected to Moogis. Most of the band was ready to break up in 2009 but Butch pressed hard to keep going until Warren and Derek made it clear that the 45th anniversary would be it. Derek, Warren and Gregg told Butch they would do 5 more years after Butch pressed hard to keep going after the 40th anniversary. So the whole band agreed this time in 5 years that would be it. Then when 2014 came, Butch again was determined to keep going so Warren and Derek gave their notice. I feel sorry for Butch. He was a great drummer who was the only one that played every show from the first one in 1969.He was the backbone of the band from the very first show which was for free in a park. In the early 90s Butch became irritated that he didn't get a few writing credits he felt he deserved because the CD A Decade Of Hits was released in 1991 with the band's most famous songs from 1969 to 1979 and it sold over 2 MILLION copies. Butch complained on this site Dickey and Gregg made a couple of million dollars on that release and he (Butch) got NOTHING!!! Butch began looking for ways he could make extra income with the band and Dickey was opposed to mixing Butch business with ABB business which turned Butch against Dickey by the mid 90s. And Butch's side businesses got him behind the 8 ball with the IRS.

They should have shared some of the writing with band members who made big contributions to how a song eventually sounded when the band recorded it such as Butch on Elizabeth Reed, Berry Oakley on Whipping Post and Chuck Leavell and Les Dudek on Jessica. Kim Payne gave Gregg some words for Midnight Rider when Gregg became stuck on the lyrics. Payne later complained to Gregg and Gregg agreed to give him 05% of the writing credit and Gregg took 95%. Berry Oakley had most of an instrumental apparently he was going to call The Road to Calico. He gave it to Gregg when he got stuck and Gregg came up with some changes and wrote some words for it and it became Standback. Hot Lana did get everyone a credit. At a rehearsal Gregg began playing a cool riff he had in his mind and it inspired Dickey to think of a melody and he ran over to Gregg and hummed it in his ear and Gregg added that. Then the rest of the band worked TOGETHER to finish the song.

 

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  posted on 1/14/2019 at 06:54 PM
Agree with slothrop
I saw an interview with Warren, Derek, and Carlos. They said it was about giving the audience cold chills
I donít care how fast you are. Lots of people can okay fast if they practiced enough. Music is about conveying emotion.

I was at this Show at the Orpheum. I remember thinking after Warrens solo how great it was - now whatís Derek gonna do. All Derek did was just blow the roof of the Orpheum
Somewhere into outer space. It is still my ďgo toĒ version of this song. I get the chills every time I hear it, especially Derek

 

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