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  posted on 1/2/2019 at 10:48 PM
https://giffords.org/2018/12/year-end-report/

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Examples of the types of lifesaving legislation we’ve seen pass so far this year include:

Domestic Violence: Laws to keep guns out of the hands of domestic abusers passed in 9 states (KS, LA, MD, NY, OH, OR, UT, VT, WA).

Bump Stocks and Trigger Activators: Laws to ban bump stocks and other trigger activators were enacted in 8 states (CT, DE, FL, HI, MD, NJ, RI, WA).

Extreme Risk Protection Orders: Extreme risk protection orders, measures that allow law enforcement, a family member or others in the community to petition for a temporary order removing access to firearms for at-risk individuals, were enacted in 8 states (DE, FL, IL, MA, MD, NJ, RI, VT).

Background Checks: Laws that add a background check requirement or improve an existing background check law passed in 7 states (FL, LA, NJ, OR, TN, VT, WA).

Concealed Carry Requirements: Laws that regulate the carrying of concealed firearms in public were tightened in 6 states (CA, MD, NJ, OK, SD, WA).

Urban Gun Violence Reduction: Legislation to provide state funding to evidence-based urban gun violence prevention and intervention programs passed in 8 states (CA, CT, FL, IL, MD, NE, NY, RI).



I support the Extreme Risk Protection, or Red Flag Laws. More states will be considering them in 2019, some will be reintroducing formerly failed attempts. It can be a tricky constitutional matter however, in Rhode Island the ACLU is opposing that state's newly passed law.

States will lead the way and the people of those states can have much greater impact there while the federal government sits on the sidelines.


 
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  posted on 1/3/2019 at 02:28 AM

Can I still buy a tank?

 

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  posted on 1/7/2019 at 05:24 PM
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Can I still buy a tank?

How about a T-34 for only$83,496?
Look up Mortar Investments.

 

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  posted on 1/7/2019 at 05:45 PM
Not nearly enough. All 50 states need these measures, and more, such as making gun purchases a merit-based system. Prove you are physically and mentally fit FIRST. FIRST, apply for the license. Then take a 6-week “Gun education” course. Then pass a shooting and safety demonstration exam. Then pass the same mental evaluations that our miltary and police recruits have to take. Then you must renew your license every 4-years with the same tests. If someone passes all that, I’ll buy them a dozen AR-15s myself.
 

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  posted on 1/7/2019 at 05:58 PM
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Not nearly enough. All 50 states need these measures, and more, such as making gun purchases a merit-based system. Prove you are physically and mentally fit FIRST. FIRST, apply for the license. Then take a 6-week “Gun education” course. Then pass a shooting and safety demonstration exam. Then pass the same mental evaluations that our miltary and police recruits have to take. Then you must renew your license every 4-years with the same tests. If someone passes all that, I’ll buy them a dozen AR-15s myself.


NO, they do not need these type of confiscation laws.
Basically anyone can get a red flag order set up, which is wrong. Say a person that doesn't like guns files a red flag against a neighbor. The police do as they did in Virginia and shoot the person AFTER they put down the handgun they carried when a series of loud knocks woke them a 4 am (two officers serving the red flag order).
The person who the red flag was being presented to died on the scene.
https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-aa-shooting-20181105 story.html

Red Flag laws make you guilty until proven innocent.

 

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  posted on 1/7/2019 at 06:35 PM
Case in point: Red Flags have been issued against at least two people (one a minor) who have never owned a firearm in Florida.
https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/florida-sheriff-confiscation-squad-red-f lag-law/
Then go down and read Korwin:Red Flag Laws Are Dangerously flawed

 

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  posted on 1/7/2019 at 07:45 PM
who said anything about red flag rules? Where in my post do I suggest such a thing?
 

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  posted on 1/7/2019 at 09:41 PM
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who said anything about red flag rules? Where in my post do I suggest such a thing?


Red Flag rules are mostly referred to by law makers as "Extreme Risk protection Orders", ya know so it sounds more Official and voter friendly than " A Law To Let Us Take Your Guns Away Without Due Process"
, something you said that "All 50 states need these measures, and more, such as making gun purchases a merit-based system. prove that you are physically and mentally fit FIRST."

(Which brings the question of where does the Constitution say you can only own something by a merit based system?)

So you wouldn't allow an older American to own a firearm just because they wouldn't meet your standard of physical fitness?

Then, somehow, you were supposed to FIRST, apply for a permit, although you were FIRST to pass the exams.

Are you ready to buy your dozen AR-15s.

I have passed the physical and psychological tests, FBI and CSIS background checks, been fingerprinted, gone through the shooting and safety courses for most civilian and military firearms, have permits to buy and sell anything from an M1-A1 tank to 1911 pistols, and have to undergo renewal every TWO years.

Photos of you and your AR-15 collection posted here will suffice. If you can't do that, the STFU.

 

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  posted on 1/7/2019 at 10:09 PM
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(Which brings the question of where does the Constitution say you can only own something by a merit based system?)


Amend it!

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So you wouldn't allow an older American to own a firearm just because they wouldn't meet your standard of physical fitness?


There's always provisions to a law for these folks, Jerry, you know that.

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I have passed the physical and psychological tests, FBI and CSIS background checks, been fingerprinted, gone through the shooting and safety courses for most civilian and military firearms, have permits to buy and sell anything from an M1-A1 tank to 1911 pistols, and have to undergo renewal every TWO years.


I admire this and would trust you with any weapon.

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Photos of you and your AR-15 collection posted here will suffice. If you can't do that, the STFU.


I don't get it. I said I support other people who can pass those tests I mentioned......I didn't say that I wanted them.

 

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(Which brings the question of where does the Constitution say you can only own something by a merit based system?)


Amend it!

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So you wouldn't allow an older American to own a firearm just because they wouldn't meet your standard of physical fitness?


There's always provisions to a law for these folks, Jerry, you know that.

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I have passed the physical and psychological tests, FBI and CSIS background checks, been fingerprinted, gone through the shooting and safety courses for most civilian and military firearms, have permits to buy and sell anything from an M1-A1 tank to 1911 pistols, and have to undergo renewal every TWO years.


I admire this and would trust you with any weapon.

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Photos of you and your AR-15 collection posted here will suffice. If you can't do that, the STFU.


I don't get it. I said I support other people who can pass those tests I mentioned......I didn't say that I wanted them.


Sorry, I misread that. You actually said "If someone passes all that, I'll buy THEM (which would be ME) a dozen AR-15s myself."

So, that means you owe me a dozen AR-15s. Can I designate which one, I like Daniel Defense better, but their barrels are a little lean on bend strength, but that's ok, I can replace them with different lengths and twists for different jobs.

 

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  posted on 1/8/2019 at 07:19 AM
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So, that means you owe me a dozen AR-15s. Can I designate which one, I like Daniel Defense better, but their barrels are a little lean on bend strength, but that's ok, I can replace them with different lengths and twists for different jobs.


Me and my big mouth. If I ever want to learn how to shoot an AR-15, I’d like you teach me.

 

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  posted on 1/8/2019 at 08:56 AM
Think Jerry's reference to the red flag rule was from my post. These risk restraining orders are gaining momentum as a way to address potentially dangerous people. It is very difficult to try and predict and prevent something that has not happened yet and identify the people who would carry out such an event.

The biggest problem I have with the Baltimore Sun story is the police served the order at what 4 or 5am? It is sad that man was shot, but that is his fault the way he acted, the police acted in their own defense in that situation, their only fault being the time of day they served the order.

I read the Florida link too.

There are going to be some people who get caught up in this that were never really a threat. But then how many people who might've been a threat lose their firearm or future right to purchase and as a result has the likely hood of that person acting out violently gone down?

Very difficult question to answer and I will let legal challenges fall where they may on this issue in the courts. As I have been doing on some of these issues, I continue to point out where the NRA and ACLU are sometimes on the same side of these gun laws. It shows that while "we", or "they" or "some" people think these laws are just and necessary or even common sense, there are legitimate legal issues with applying them. Just like who gets listed on the No Fly List, or the Patriot Act and it's variations, or a Travel Ban, or any attempt to solve problems of our times that infringe upon individual rights for what is perceived as protecting the greater good.

Until courts rule the legality of these measures, I will still support the extreme risk protection orders. It may be a flawed way of thinking, but the old, I haven't done anything wrong and don't plan to do anything wrong so why should I worry adage works for me. Don't make threats. Don't make stupid comments about admiring mass murders or wanting to do what they did. Don't draw attention to yourself in a way that makes other people think you are a threat.

With freedom comes responsibility. Unfortunately a small number, an extremely small number of gun owners, have in a way ruined it for everyone else. That is what happens, and now we all have to deal with things we shouldn't have to deal with because society is trying to react and prevent things from happening again.

Jim, I am a friend of gun rights and have always been wary of legislators trying to get control or restrict our access and rights on firearms. But I have to say, as time has gone on, I am coming around more to the regulatory side of things. Unfortunately, some people in our country can't be trusted with gun ownership. These red flag laws, while flawed in some ways, are the best avenue I have seen to try and get some kind of handle on it.

 
 


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