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  posted on 1/4/2019 at 03:10 PM
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Not a good time to be tired of fighting. This is just the beginning. Trump needs to be called out - the reason it sounds like bashing is that he really is that bad.


Even attack dog Warren will lose to Trump in a battle of degrading verbal attacks. I just don't see that strategy working. He can be taken down easily by someone who is cool, calm, inspirational, and a positive role model. Can you imagine a debate between Obama and Trump? I'd feel bad for Trump....I'd have to look away in shame for how bad he'd look in comparison. They just need a qualified candidate who can rise above the Trump game, and demonstrate a better option that the mess we have now.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2019 at 04:33 PM
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Not a good time to be tired of fighting. This is just the beginning. Trump needs to be called out - the reason it sounds like bashing is that he really is that bad.


Even attack dog Warren will lose to Trump in a battle of degrading verbal attacks. I just don't see that strategy working. He can be taken down easily by someone who is cool, calm, inspirational, and a positive role model. Can you imagine a debate between Obama and Trump? I'd feel bad for Trump....I'd have to look away in shame for how bad he'd look in comparison. They just need a qualified candidate who can rise above the Trump game, and demonstrate a better option that the mess we have now.


I think there are two lanes to this road. The first lane you have articulated well.

I truly believe the second lane is that enough Americans have been energized and seen what Trump is and isn't. By being himself, he has mobilized large blocks of voters for various causes that have one thing in common - all are against Trump, his mouth, his policies, and his actions. For example - a record number of women marched against Trump and then ran in elections all over this country. Look at the record number of Dem women elected in the HOR.

As I previously mentioned, the midterms showed overpowering numbers of Dems who voted against Trump. In campaign mode, it was Trump who said he was on the ballot. If Trump continues to be himself and alienate all but his never expanding base, expect the results to translate to one term for Trump. With that said, as long as the Dems don't run a divisive candidate, they should rid this country of Trump. There are enough skilled individuals who, if they don't veer off course too much, should have enough thrust of the population to oust Trump and his sewer of an inner circle.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2019 at 04:49 PM
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I am concerned that if it gets to this & if there is ample cause that the GOP Senate will still turn their backs. They have been nothing but enablers of Trumpco so far, and my feeling is the only thing that would make them come to senses is if they see their own seats and humongous benefits in jeopardy.


That would be horrible, but if Mueller charges that Trump knew in advance and gave Russia the green light to send the emails to Wikileaks, or whatever the theory is, then I can't imagine any Senator turning a blind eye to that, but what do I know about Washington. I guess anything is possible these days.

I still can't understand why Trump supporters seem to accept "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you cyber-attack the American government, you'll be rewarded by our media." Imagine hearing a candidate say that, and then voting for him........because they didn't like being name-called by liberals. Way to rise above it conservatives!!! You sure showed us all, lol.


It will take a lot for Republican senators to vote to remove Trump from office. There will need to be something really big for the senate to vote to remove him. Let's face it - the majority of Republicans still support Trump dispite all the lying. All Trump has to do is yell "fake news" and the majority of his supporters will fall in line without even looking at whatever evidence is presented by Mueller. Didn't we just see this played out at a Supreme Court confirmation hearing? Never underestimate the power of partisonship over country. So, as much as I want to see Trump removed from office ASAP, the house should be very careful to impeach Trump unless there is undeniable and overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing, which there probably will be at some point.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2019 at 08:10 PM
Its not happening. Ever.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2019 at 10:33 PM
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Its not happening. Ever.


Right now I would say the odds that the house will impeach Trump are greater than 50%, but the chance of him being removed depends on what is in the Mueller report, and is probably around 15% - which is probably slightly lower odds than his getting reelected.

 

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  posted on 1/5/2019 at 11:59 AM
Forget impeachment and just show up to the polls in November 2020....In the meantime the Dem controlled House should pass progressive legislation repeatedly and force the Senate and Little Donnie to ignore or veto it thus showing over and over again what party seems more in tune with most Americans. Force the Repubs. to continually show their true colors in other words as a way to gain support from the Independents still on the fence.

Along with this strategy, continue via constant House investigations to shine the light on the corruption, illegality, and ineptness of this administration AND the Repubs. in Congress who are allowing it to continue.

 

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  posted on 1/5/2019 at 02:48 PM
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Forget impeachment and just show up to the polls in November 2020....In the meantime the Dem controlled House should pass progressive legislation repeatedly and force the Senate and Little Donnie to ignore or veto it thus showing over and over again what party seems more in tune with most Americans. Force the Repubs. to continually show their true colors in other words as a way to gain support from the Independents still on the fence.

Along with this strategy, continue via constant House investigations to shine the light on the corruption, illegality, and ineptness of this administration AND the Repubs. in Congress who are allowing it to continue.


The Senate will probably no longer put anything to a vote unless prior assurances that Trump will go along. They had a budget deal that Trump indicated he was good with until the Rushco & friends called him out along with Freedom Caucus of HOR. Even with assurances from Trump, there is no guarantee until it hits his desk. Mitch is becoming irrelevant with the exception of playing leading role in judicial hearings. Other than that, he's tucked his tail & deferred to Trump.

You are correct - appeal to independents. Bases of both sides are mostly decided, and he middle indies are key. The mid term results reflect that & hopefully remain consistent.

 

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  posted on 1/5/2019 at 05:37 PM
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Forget impeachment and just show up to the polls in November 2020....In the meantime the Dem controlled House should pass progressive legislation repeatedly and force the Senate and Little Donnie to ignore or veto it thus showing over and over again what party seems more in tune with most Americans. Force the Repubs. to continually show their true colors in other words as a way to gain support from the Independents still on the fence.

Along with this strategy, continue via constant House investigations to shine the light on the corruption, illegality, and ineptness of this administration AND the Repubs. in Congress who are allowing it to continue.


The Senate will probably no longer put anything to a vote unless prior assurances that Trump will go along. They had a budget deal that Trump indicated he was good with until the Rushco & friends called him out along with Freedom Caucus of HOR. Even with assurances from Trump, there is no guarantee until it hits his desk. Mitch is becoming irrelevant with the exception of playing leading role in judicial hearings. Other than that, he's tucked his tail & deferred to Trump.

You are correct - appeal to independents. Bases of both sides are mostly decided, and he middle indies are key. The mid term results reflect that & hopefully remain consistent.


Exactly right about the Senate....Which is why the Dem. House needs to continually pass progressive, highly popular legislation so the Senate can continue to ignore it. And every Democratic needs to speak of this Senate inaction at every opportunity, on every talk show, in every opt. ed., on the campaign trail, etc....Repeatedly shine the light on the Senate and the White House at the top of their lungs so to speak. As you said, McConnell is now only a pawn and so connect this line to Trump over and over....

[Edited on 1/5/2019 by Chain]

 

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  posted on 1/6/2019 at 10:31 AM
The GOP controlled House during the Obama years continually passed their own legislation that the Democrat controlled Senate never took up. I think there were something like 300 bills passed out of the House that were ignored in the Senate. Standard operating procedure on a split Congress these days. Nobody cared except for people who follow these things closely.

Impeachment is pretty fascinating really. On one hand, if Trump is as bad as everyone says he is (he's bad, I get that), then how can the Democrats sit idle with a clean conscious and not move to impeach such a monstrosity? And on the other hand, doing so would push aside any legislative or national issues they want to focus on - it would suck the air out of everything. So I think Pelosi has the right view on the situation, but obviously many among the base (and now in Congress) have other ideas or will grow tired of the old farts in the party not listening. That is what makes this an interesting time with Democrats in charge of the House. And in reality, maybe that is the right balance for them. Allow the threat and undertones of impeachment and all things wrong with Trump to permeate and just hang all while the Congressional veterans bide their time and try and spin their vision for America without getting bogged down in impeachment. Mueller investigation looks to be going into the summer, so if any revelations against Trump aren't to be expected until atleast then, no reason to get all worked up now. Sorry Mrs Tlaib, you should focus on the responsibilities of a Congressional Representative instead of firing people up.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2019 at 10:58 AM
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Allow the threat and undertones of impeachment and all things wrong with Trump to permeate and just hang all while the Congressional veterans bide their time and try and spin their vision for America without getting bogged down in impeachment. Mueller investigation looks to be going into the summer, so if any revelations against Trump aren't to be expected until atleast then, no reason to get all worked up now. Sorry Mrs Tlaib, you should focus on the responsibilities of a Congressional Representative instead of firing people up.


The Dems should just let Mueller take the lead while letting the HOR perform oversight. Oversight has been null & void & even had in pocket with the GOP House the last 2 years (see Devin Nunes). One could almost think that Nunes has been in collusion with the WH. For example - Remember the midnight run and all of the suppression aspects of inquiries by GOP committee heads.

Over the next month to half year it would be shocking if more & more dirt & corruption of the Trump Family & empire does not find its surface. If it is revealed that impeachment is a solution, then that path can be examined.

As far as Mrs Tlaib is concerned & her impeachment views. Keep in mind that much of what she ran on was that. So she is remaining true to her campaign. 70 to 80% of the Democrats polled feel the same. I think Pelosi is too methodical to jump into that initially. Let the process play out. Facts & time cures all. If impeachment nor indictment result with the Mob Boss, then the ballot box would be the answer. If Trump continues along his current path the next year or so, then the mid term results will probably be a precursor to rid this country of his toxicity. Continue along the current path and trajectory, and the Dems could probably run a broomstick to defeat Trump. And I get that there will always be those who say, "Don't ever count Trump out", but I'm not buying into that.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2019 at 11:21 AM
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And I get that there will always be those who say, "Don't ever count Trump out", but I'm not buying into that.


I'm counting him out, assuming he runs.

I have a hard time seeing him winning PA, MI and WI again. Those were 46 electoral votes and the difference between him and her winning.

For argument sake, say he is able to win one of them, that makes things very close, but I assume like you see, Democrats are so energized for 2020 it would be a pretty large upset for him to win reelection. And I just looked, betting odds have Democrats a 5 to 7 favorite (have to lay $7 to win $5). Republicans are 6-5 ($5 to win $6) and Independent/Other is 50-1 ($1 to win $50).

 
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