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  posted on 12/8/2018 at 10:26 PM
Evangelicals don't care about the teachings of Jesus.

 

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  posted on 12/9/2018 at 12:13 AM
You would thing most people would want universal healthcare. The costs would be a lot less, especially if people got check-ups and stayed healthy and caught things early. People that don't have healthcare and don't go unless they have to or don't get vaccinations endanger everyone.....
 

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  posted on 12/9/2018 at 12:15 AM
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You would thing most people would want universal healthcare. The costs would be a lot less,


Ask a Canadian about universal healthcare....

How was your last visit to the DMV?

 

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  posted on 12/9/2018 at 12:29 AM
Another false flag. Most Canadians love their healthcare..... there are other countries that have it too.... ask about them.

 

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  posted on 12/9/2018 at 12:29 AM
Even Trump admin analysis shows it would cost less.......
 

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  posted on 12/9/2018 at 10:09 AM
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Most Canadians love their healthcare....


Ahhh, No. And they certainly do not care for the Taxes or the wait.

 

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  posted on 12/9/2018 at 12:26 PM
I don't like the system we have. Insurance companies suck. I really don't see any difference in having an insurance company making your health decisions or the government doing it - both are bad options really, but I guess you have to have one unless everyone just pays out of pocket.

I could support a single payer system, just cut the insurance companies completely out of it or they can just sell supplemental policies like they do for Medicare. Medicare for all system would be ok with me...I just want them to fund it properly and think that everyone, everyone, must have some financial stake in the cost of their health care spreading the tax responsibility across everyone who is, has or will use the system. No low income exemptions and no high income exemptions. Everyone pay the same % of earned income and then some fixed or proportional amount for the services they received so there is some appreciation for how much cost they are creating for the system.


 

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  posted on 12/9/2018 at 04:05 PM
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Evangelicals don't care about the teachings of Jesus.
That's a pretty inflammatory statement. Can you back this up with facts, or is this just an opinion? ("Opinions are like a$$holes. Everybody's got one." -- Duane Allman)

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  posted on 12/9/2018 at 06:01 PM
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Most Canadians love their healthcare....


Ahhh, No. And they certainly do not care for the Taxes or the wait.



Probably not the same all over Canada. I had 9 Canadians on a tour I took to Eastern Europe. They thought we were the ones who were nuts.... If I call my doctor here I have to wait - I can't get an appointment this afternoon - but I do have the option of going to immediate care.

Our luggage was lost for 4 days - my brother-in-law had to have a doctor visit the hotel and get him 2 prescriptions. The doctor visit was 100 euros, and a month's supply of the drugs were $5 instead of the over $40 he pays here.

 

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  posted on 12/9/2018 at 07:48 PM
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Most Canadians love their healthcare....


Ahhh, No. And they certainly do not care for the Taxes or the wait.


I have a lot of Canadian friends and relatives (wife's actually), and when discussing the Canadian health care system, although all have some complaints, not a single one would trade theirs for ours.

 

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  posted on 12/10/2018 at 12:58 PM
The US ranks 40th in the world in healthcare.
About like Cuba.

Single payer makes the most sense economically.

I've never understood Christians who love to profess
their beliefs but PICK and CHOOSE what to follow.

To really live on faith, turn the other cheek, etc etc
is a lot harder than wearing a cross on a
and asking for special exemptions.



 

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  posted on 12/10/2018 at 02:07 PM
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I've never understood Christians who love to profess
their beliefs but PICK and CHOOSE what to follow.

To really live on faith, turn the other cheek, etc etc
is a lot harder than wearing a cross on a
and asking for special exemptions.


Is the assumption here that because one does not believe in, "The affordable care act" that one can't or does not donate to those less fortunate?

 

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  posted on 12/10/2018 at 08:19 PM
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Evangelicals don't care about the teachings of Jesus.

That's a pretty inflammatory statement. Can you back this up with facts, or is this just an opinion? ("Opinions are like a$$holes. Everybody's got one." -- Duane Allman)

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1. Read the New Testament and consider the teachings of Jesus.
2. Read up on Donald Trump.
3. Consider the remarkable support that evangelicals have given Trump.

That's it. It's not very hard to see the contradictions between the ideals espoused in the New Testament versus those pushed by Trump.

 

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  posted on 12/11/2018 at 02:04 PM
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1. Read the New Testament and consider the teachings of Jesus.
2. Read up on Donald Trump.
3. Consider the remarkable support that evangelicals have given Trump.

That's it. It's not very hard to see the contradictions between the ideals espoused in the New Testament versus those pushed by Trump.


Amen! Well said. As for the so-called Christian Trump supporter, which is the bullsh*t? The admiration of sleaze like Trump, the hatred for healthcare for the unfortunate, or the Christian values they claim to possess? Iíd like to give them the benefit of the doubt that their faith is real, but they act out due to unhappiness.

 

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  posted on 12/11/2018 at 03:40 PM
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Evangelicals don't care about the teachings of Jesus.

That's a pretty inflammatory statement. Can you back this up with facts, or is this just an opinion? ("Opinions are like a$$holes. Everybody's got one." -- Duane Allman)

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1. Read the New Testament and consider the teachings of Jesus.
2. Read up on Donald Trump.
3. Consider the remarkable support that evangelicals have given Trump.

That's it. It's not very hard to see the contradictions between the ideals espoused in the New Testament versus those pushed by Trump.
Your response is a non sequitur, and has nothing to do with the topic. But Iíll answer your points, in order.

1. I do, and have done so for decades. This is how I know that Jesus came for one purpose alone: to find and rescue the lost. The lost, by His definition, are all who are outside of a relationship with God. His aim was voluntary reconciliation with God for all who would have Him. He clearly had no interest in government involvement. ďJesus answered, ĎMy kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But My kingdom is not from the world.íĒ

2. This has nothing to do with the question. Personally, Donald Trump was my least favorite candidate among all the Republicans. But I voted for him as a vote against Hillary Clinton, and Iím grateful that he permanently ended her political career. Regardless of his beliefs, he has accomplished something I admire: he placed two Conservative justices on the Supreme Court, and I hope he places another one or two.

3. The fact that evangelicals support President Trump doesnít lead to any conclusions that apply here. Iím an evangelical Christian and I found a lot of his past and present unacceptable. But he was far less of a problem for America than Hillary Clinton ever would have been.

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  posted on 12/11/2018 at 03:53 PM
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But I voted for him as a vote against Hillary Clinton, and Iím grateful that he permanently ended her political career.


Amen

 

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  posted on 12/11/2018 at 04:25 PM
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But I voted for him as a vote against Hillary Clinton, and Iím grateful that he permanently ended her political career. Regardless of his beliefs, he has accomplished something I admire: he placed two Conservative justices on the Supreme Court, and I hope he places another one or two.


What a complete load of garbage, lol. On my car ride home today, I heard a talk show host say the exact same thing, verbatim. Amazing how that happens! What a coincidence!

 

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  posted on 12/11/2018 at 05:20 PM
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But I voted for him as a vote against Hillary Clinton, and Iím grateful that he permanently ended her political career. Regardless of his beliefs, he has accomplished something I admire: he placed two Conservative justices on the Supreme Court, and I hope he places another one or two.


What a complete load of garbage, lol. On my car ride home today, I heard a talk show host say the exact same thing, verbatim. Amazing how that happens! What a coincidence!


Yeah who cares if the country goes into a tailspin, anything to stop those evil Clintons.

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  posted on 12/11/2018 at 05:23 PM
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Yeah who cares if the country goes into a tailspin, anything to stop those evil Clintons.


The tailspin was prevented when Hillary had to find another source of employment.

 

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  posted on 12/11/2018 at 06:26 PM
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Yeah who cares if the country goes into a tailspin, anything to stop those evil Clintons.


The tailspin was prevented when Hillary had to find another source of employment.



Given everything that we've seen and learned of Trump, I have a hard time believing that anyone can still believe that Trump could ever be considered the lesser of two evils.

 

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  posted on 12/12/2018 at 02:51 PM
"1. Read the New Testament and consider the teachings of Jesus.
2. Read up on Donald Trump.
3. Consider the remarkable support that evangelicals have given Trump.
That's it. It's not very hard to see the contradictions between the ideals espoused in the New Testament versus those pushed by Trump."

"Your response is a non sequitur, and has nothing to do with the topic."

I can break it down further for you, if you need, and apparently you do. The Evangelical churches have continued to support Trump despite the fact that his values and actions are decidedly the opposite of those of Jesus.

Trump celebrates greed, which Christ criticized.

He endorses violence and revenge, both of which Christ spoke against.

The list goes on, but you are completely misusing the term "non sequitur." A non sequitur would be me saying "Squirrels are delicious!" The poster before had argued that evangelicals do not care about the teachings of Jesus; this was an obvious reference to their continuous and ongoing support for Trump.

That Trump could be seen as the lesser of two evils should not make him immune to criticism; it also should not lead to people ignoring alternatives.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2018 at 10:37 AM
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I don't agree. Voluntary assistance matches His statements, but forced government assistance doesn't.


Exactly. Support for Obamacare IS voluntary. My point is that Jesus would want all Christians to voluntarily support this bill. I think heíd be disappointed in those that arenít volunteering to support it.

 
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