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  posted on 11/7/2012 at 10:50 AM
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It's looking like Obama will narrowly win the popular vote, but I just want to point out that he could have easily won the electoral vote tonight without doing so. He could have won without Ohio, Florida or Virginia, and it looks like he might win all 3.

My man Obama did a little better than I thought he would, sue me


Congrats man but i am not going to sue ya..... cause you will not have anything left after the next 4 years so i will save ya a can of salmon..... peace

 

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  posted on 11/7/2012 at 12:14 PM
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It's looking like Obama will narrowly win the popular vote, but I just want to point out that he could have easily won the electoral vote tonight without doing so. He could have won without Ohio, Florida or Virginia, and it looks like he might win all 3.

My man Obama did a little better than I thought he would, sue me


It "could have" happened many times but as I pointed out it almost never does. The one thing I continue to be right about.

 

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  posted on 11/7/2012 at 05:34 PM
The electoral college is what determines our president while it may not always be reflective of what "Americans want" it is what it is and its been consistent ....... The popular vote is more reflective of the actual pulse of the nation IMO. And with it sitting at 50/48, I think any side interpreting this election as a mandate of any kind, has missed the mark all together. To me it shows the divide that has been and continues to grow in this country. .
 

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  posted on 11/7/2012 at 08:10 PM
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The electoral college is what determines our president while it may not always be reflective of what "Americans want" it is what it is and its been consistent ....... The popular vote is more reflective of the actual pulse of the nation IMO. And with it sitting at 50/48, I think any side interpreting this election as a mandate of any kind, has missed the mark all together. To me it shows the divide that has been and continues to grow in this country. .


The word mandate is funny. Bush said he had a mandate in 2000 when he lost the popular vote but won the presidency. Bush said he had a mandate when he won reelection in 2004 with a very similar percentage of the popular vote as we saw in this election. What does mandate really mean anyway? If Bush did in fact have a mandate, then Obama has one too. I'm not sure if either of them really had a "mandate," but if you thought that Bush's reelection gave him the right to push his agenda forward, then you really can't say that Obama doesn't have that same right.

 

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  posted on 11/7/2012 at 08:13 PM
I do not think so!!

 

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  posted on 11/7/2012 at 08:14 PM
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The electoral college is what determines our president while it may not always be reflective of what "Americans want" it is what it is and its been consistent ....... The popular vote is more reflective of the actual pulse of the nation IMO. And with it sitting at 50/48, I think any side interpreting this election as a mandate of any kind, has missed the mark all together. To me it shows the divide that has been and continues to grow in this country. .


The word mandate is funny. Bush said he had a mandate in 2000 when he lost the popular vote but won the presidency. Bush said he had a mandate when he won reelection in 2004 with a very similar percentage of the popular vote as we saw in this election. What does mandate really mean anyway? If Bush did in fact have a mandate, then Obama has one too. I'm not sure if either of them really had a "mandate," but if you thought that Bush's reelection gave him the right to push his agenda forward, then you really can't say that Obama doesn't have that same right.


All due respect, my comment has absolutely nothing to do with Bush or what he or his supporters thinks or thought at anytime. My comments are my opinions as pertaining to this election........ HTH

 

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  posted on 11/7/2012 at 09:17 PM
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The electoral college is what determines our president while it may not always be reflective of what "Americans want" it is what it is and its been consistent ....... The popular vote is more reflective of the actual pulse of the nation IMO. And with it sitting at 50/48, I think any side interpreting this election as a mandate of any kind, has missed the mark all together. To me it shows the divide that has been and continues to grow in this country. .


The word mandate is funny. Bush said he had a mandate in 2000 when he lost the popular vote but won the presidency. Bush said he had a mandate when he won reelection in 2004 with a very similar percentage of the popular vote as we saw in this election. What does mandate really mean anyway? If Bush did in fact have a mandate, then Obama has one too. I'm not sure if either of them really had a "mandate," but if you thought that Bush's reelection gave him the right to push his agenda forward, then you really can't say that Obama doesn't have that same right.


All due respect, my comment has absolutely nothing to do with Bush or what he or his supporters thinks or thought at anytime. My comments are my opinions as pertaining to this election........ HTH



Fair enough. I have no idea if you thought Bush had a mandate or not, and to be honest I don't really care. I never thought Bush had a real mandate, so I guess that means that I don't think Obama has one either. That said, I think there needs to be compromise on both sides if we are ever going to get back to a functioning government and as such all of those compromises can't be coming from just one side. I think Obama's victory should mean that both sides should negotiate without any "sacred cows" being left off the table.

 

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  posted on 11/7/2012 at 09:28 PM
Rydethwind, I don't have any money NOW, so the prospect of being broke in 4 years doesn't terrify me

There are more important reasons to vote for President than whether Candidate A vs. Candidate B will make me richer. Even if you could guarantee that the economy would be better under Romney, I still wouldn't have voted for him. There is a lot more to being President than just managing the economy.

I voted for Obama mainly because I trust him more to make executive decisions. I want him in charge of nominating the next Supreme Court justice, not Mitt Romney. I want Obama negotiating with other countries, not Mitt Romney.

I think Obama has passed the Commander In Chief test and I trust his judgment in a crisis.

 
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  posted on 11/7/2012 at 09:48 PM
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The electoral college is what determines our president while it may not always be reflective of what "Americans want" it is what it is and its been consistent ....... The popular vote is more reflective of the actual pulse of the nation IMO. And with it sitting at 50/48, I think any side interpreting this election as a mandate of any kind, has missed the mark all together. To me it shows the divide that has been and continues to grow in this country. .


The word mandate is funny. Bush said he had a mandate in 2000 when he lost the popular vote but won the presidency. Bush said he had a mandate when he won reelection in 2004 with a very similar percentage of the popular vote as we saw in this election. What does mandate really mean anyway? If Bush did in fact have a mandate, then Obama has one too. I'm not sure if either of them really had a "mandate," but if you thought that Bush's reelection gave him the right to push his agenda forward, then you really can't say that Obama doesn't have that same right.


All due respect, my comment has absolutely nothing to do with Bush or what he or his supporters thinks or thought at anytime. My comments are my opinions as pertaining to this election........ HTH



Fair enough. I have no idea if you thought Bush had a mandate or not, and to be honest I don't really care. I never thought Bush had a real mandate, so I guess that means that I don't think Obama has one either. That said, I think there needs to be compromise on both sides if we are ever going to get back to a functioning government and as such all of those compromises can't be coming from just one side. I think Obama's victory should mean that both sides should negotiate without any "sacred cows" being left off the table.


I think we are saying the same things, just taking two different paths.....Which is usually the case with my dyslexic self.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2019 at 04:24 PM
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If you win the popular vote then you win period the electorial college is way out of line and needs to be abolished...


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I agree. Whoever gets the most votes should win.



Both of the above were posted by right wingers when Obama was elected.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2019 at 04:31 PM
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If you win the popular vote then you win period the electorial college is way out of line and needs to be abolished...


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I agree. Whoever gets the most votes should win.



Both of the above were posted by right wingers when Obama was elected.



Isn't that cute.
There is no way 2/3 of the States will amend the Constitution.


 

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  posted on 1/6/2019 at 04:37 PM
I agree, actually. I have always thought tbe Electoral College was a pretty fair system, given the difficulty of representing the Union.

Unlike some folks who only think the Electoral College is fair when it works for their candidate, then turn around and bitch about it when it doesn't.

 

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I agree, actually. I have always thought tbe Electoral College was a pretty fair system, given the difficulty of representing the Union.

Unlike some folks who only think the Electoral College is fair when it works for their candidate, then turn around and bitch about it when it doesn't.



The Electoral College does keep the presidential election fair and equally balanced for all States.
Political party matters not.

 

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I agree. Make sure you remind Trump and your maga pals of that when the Electoral College works against him and he about-faces and declares the Electoral College a "disaster for democracy."

That settles that - you actually disagreed with Trump's attacks on the Electoral College in 2012. A Whipping Post first, a Trump borg admits to a difference of opinion with their command and control unit.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2019 at 05:11 PM
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I agree. Make sure you remind Trump and your maga pals of that when the Electoral College works against him and he about-faces and declares the Electoral College a "disaster for democracy."

That settles that - you actually disagreed with Trump's attacks on the Electoral College in 2012. A Whipping Post first, a Trump borg admits to a difference of opinion with their command and control unit.



Donald Trump's 2012 words were taken out of context, a common political tactic of the far-left.
Not that it matters.
The Electoral College is and will remain exactly as it is now.

The left really needs to go outside of their Caracas Caucus to find a viable candidate.
Even Bernie can no longer run as a Democrat.
Maybe he will start his own Hammer and Sickle Party.



[Edited on 1/6/2019 by Muleman1994]

 

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  posted on 1/6/2019 at 05:38 PM
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Donald Trump's 2012 words were taken out of context


Nevermind. First sign of indepedent thought in a Trumpbot, flash in the pan.

 

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  posted on 1/7/2019 at 11:13 AM
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That settles that - you actually disagreed with Trump's attacks on the Electoral College in 2012. A Whipping Post first, a Trump borg admits to a difference of opinion with their command and control unit.


He also just boasted about Obamaís border security position, as well as Hillaryís, and how itís similar to Trumpís. He said they both supported border security and then quoted them to prove it! What is happening?

 

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  posted on 1/7/2019 at 11:58 AM
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Whoever gets the most votes should win.


On the local and State level, Yes. Not Federally.

 

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  posted on 1/7/2019 at 04:07 PM
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I agree, actually. I have always thought tbe Electoral College was a pretty fair system, given the difficulty of representing the Union.

Unlike some folks who only think the Electoral College is fair when it works for their candidate, then turn around and bitch about it when it doesn't.



The Electoral College does keep the presidential election fair and equally balanced for all States.




Please explain.

 

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