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  posted on 3/18/2020 at 01:47 PM
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Would guess so - if it increases chances of defeating Trump, his supporters would be all in


Right now Trump's record and performance may be enough to do him in w/out all of Bernie's supporters jumping in.

Which of the below do we think are most impressive of Trump's performance in the the last 3 plus years:

Having Mexcio pay for the wall that he promised?

His denials and lack of leadership on Coranavirus after "the Trump administrationís decision in 2018 to dismantle a National Security Council directorate at the White House charged with preparing for when, not if, another pandemic would hit the nation."

The stock market numbers that he lives for daily and brags about. Compare the numbers when he took office to today's numbers. This alone may cause him to gorge on Mig Macs - his favorite food.

 

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  posted on 3/18/2020 at 01:56 PM
With all those factors the election should be Bidenís to lose imo - depending on how he does until convention time, who he picks for VP etc
If coronavirus is still with us I donít see how the political parties could have their conventions

[Edited on 3/18/2020 by Stephen]

 

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  posted on 3/18/2020 at 02:00 PM
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Would guess so - if it increases chances of defeating Trump, his supporters would be all in

Wasn't there a discussion the other day that analysis shows that Bernie supporters are most definitely NOT all in? They're committed to the man not the party & are likely to not vote at all rather than vote for someone other than Bernie. It's the reason Bernie can't negotiate w/Biden re the platform. If Bernie can't deliver his voters, he's got nothing to bargain with. Warren didn't have that problem - her supporters seem more attached to her ideas than herself - yet hasn't endorsed either candidate.

 

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  posted on 3/18/2020 at 02:25 PM
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Would guess so - if it increases chances of defeating Trump, his supporters would be all in

Wasn't there a discussion the other day that analysis shows that Bernie supporters are most definitely NOT all in? They're committed to the man not the party & are likely to not vote at all rather than vote for someone other than Bernie. It's the reason Bernie can't negotiate w/Biden re the platform. If Bernie can't deliver his voters, he's got nothing to bargain with. Warren didn't have that problem - her supporters seem more attached to her ideas than herself - yet hasn't endorsed either candidate.


True. At this point though Warren really has only one person to endorse. It's no longer a race, and Bernie and his wife know this. They are figuring out his next move. Will he go all in on the party he caucuses with, or will he remain the leader of his cause? What matters more?

The thing is - at this point he probably needs to handoff the "cause" thing to someone younger, and I hope it's not AOC.

The country needs a return to some semblance of normalcy, and political revolutions and failed experiments like Trump are not what's needed now. Change is good, but in my mind change works best and is most practical as it evolves and is not rampant or radical.


[Edited on 3/18/2020 by MartinD28]

 

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  posted on 3/18/2020 at 04:51 PM
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The thing is - at this point he probably needs to handoff the "cause" thing to someone younger, and I hope it's not AOC.

The country needs a return to some semblance of normalcy, and political revolutions and failed experiments like Trump are not what's needed now. Change is good, but in my mind change works best and is most practical as it evolves and is not rampant or radical.[Edited on 3/18/2020 by MartinD28]


Way back when candidates announced, I scoffed that no one over 70 should be running (ha!) and that Bernie should sit back & be an elder statesman. The problem is he's not a statesman. Never has been. He's an activist. Frankly, I think his key issues - healthcare & higher education - are being addressed NOW in a national emergency. I don't think we're likely to return to where we were before. Healthcare will have new delivery systems (not tents in parking lots but better triage, clinical staff schedules, medication availability, telemedicine, etc.) & financing (no copay for x, y, z). Colleges, too, will get the message that some classes CAN be taught online no matter how prestigious the university & they'll get a taste of how much no playoffs in sports affects alumni donations. Either way, Bernie isn't the guy that's going to be involved.

 

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  posted on 3/19/2020 at 10:27 PM
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Sounds like the official end for Bernie might be near:

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No sugarcoating it, last night did not go the way we wanted.

And while our campaign has won the battle of ideas, we are losing the battle over electability to Joe Biden.

So we wanted to give you an update on what is next for Bernie and for our campaign:

First, Bernie will likely have a vote on the coronavirus in the Senate today. Heíll take that vote, and you can expect him to continue his fight to ensure we are protecting working people, low-income people, and the most vulnerable communities, not just giant corporations and Wall Street in any response to the virus.

Then after this vote today, Bernie and Jane are going to get on a plane back to Vermont. Once there, theyíll begin holding conversations with supporters to get input and assess the path forward for our campaign. We will keep you updated as those conversations progress.

In the meantime, please continue to stay safe, and thank you for everything youíve done so far. It means the world to Bernie and Jane.

In solidarity,

Faiz Shakir
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"And while our campaign has won the battle of ideas, we are losing the battle over electability to Joe Biden."

I like Bernie, and he has a following / movement, but please tell me how he quantifies that he won the battle of ideas. It sounds good, but it really means little. If it was accurate, it would translate to the measure that matters - votes. And last night nor the last few weeks don't show that he won the battle of ideas. What it does do is provide some level of bargaining with Biden. Let's just hope that Bernie & his followers get on board to throw Trump overboard.


I don't know exactly how his campaign would answer this, but I think they would say that other candidates have adopted his ideas. What he was saying in 2016 in large part became the party norm in 2019/20. And look at Biden picking up some Bernie-esque policy positions. Sure Joe says he has always been there on free college, whatever, Bernie made him go there and Joe is pandering for votes at worst and maybe he actually always wanted it at best. Bernie will take credit for pushing the conversations further left to his position, that is the win I think they are talking about.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2020 at 10:29 AM
Well, thanks in no small part to the Coronavirus/Covid 19 outbreak, it looks like the entire nation and world are about to be in need of wide-spread assistance. Perhaps 4 years of unbridled socialism is gonna be what it takes to get our country back to its knees. Maybe it's time to reconsider Mr. Socialism, himself! Let's tax some legal weed and distribute those tax revenues as needed! Yeah, you know who I'm talkin' 'bout!

 

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