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  posted on 3/20/2020 at 11:20 AM
I'm just finishing listening to the ABB and family (Excluding Gov't Mule, Derek Trucks Band, and TTB) and wanted to share my rankings of these albums. I wasn't able to listen to some of Oteil's solo projects and Jaimoe's Renaissance Man isn't on spotify anymore (bummer because I love that album).

ABB Album Rankings
1. Live At Fillmore East
2. Eat A Peach
3. Idlewild South
4. Brothers & Sisters
5. Allman Brothers Band
6. Shades of Two Worlds
7. Hittin The Note
8. Where It All Begins
9. Seven Turns
10.Enlightened Rogues
11. Reach For The Sky
12. Win Lose or Draw
13. Brothers Of The Road

Family Projects Ranking
1a. Richard Betts- Highway Call
1b. Gregg Allman- Laid Back
1c. Sea Level- Sea Level
2. Gregg Allman Band- Playin Up A Storm
3. Sea Level- Cats on the Coast
4. Warren Haynes- Ashes & Dust
5. Warren Haynes- Man In Motion
6. Sea Level- On The Edge
7. Gregg Allman- Low Country Blues
8. Gregg Allman- Searching For Simplicity
9. Warren Haynes- Tales of Ordinary Madness
10. Gregg Allman-Southern Blood
11. Oteil & the Peacemakers- Believer
12. Gregg Allman Band- Before The Bullets Fly
13. Oteil Burbridge- Water in the Desert
14. Dickey Betts Band- Pattern Disruptive
15. Sea Level- Ball Room
16. Dickey Betts & Great Southern- Atlantaís Burning Down
17. Dickey Betts & Great Southern- Dickey Betts & Great Southern
18. Sea Level- Long Walk on a Short Pier
19. 31st of February- 31st of February
20. Hour Glass- Power of Love
21. Gregg Allman- Iím No Angel
22. Allman & Woman- Two The Hard Way
23. Hour Glass- Hour Glass

Playlist of some tracks from the albums that were on Spotify

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3HYVN2o75P3vE4n3tPGhn1?si=ZbVGdkVGRTyIO8A uqsLq2A

 
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  posted on 3/20/2020 at 11:28 AM
Cool topic, iPowrie.

I'd suspect that for ABB albums, "EAP" and "AFE" will land in most folks number 1 or 2 positions.

Did you make a separate list for DTB / TTB, or are you just not a fan?

I have not check out Oteil's work. Sounds like it is time for me to do so!

 

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  posted on 3/20/2020 at 11:43 AM
Oteil and the Peacemakers - Family Secret ... ahead of many on that list for me, personally.

 

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  posted on 3/20/2020 at 12:03 PM
Good list. Looks about right. I would move Pattern Disruptive up some because Warren Haynes and Matt Apps and Dickey too for that matter or so strong. Album didn't sell much but to me that has zero to do with whether I like it.

I'd have a 1d. Gregg Allman Tour with special guest Cowboy is a real good live album. Didn't sell well but it has Bill Stewart and Jaimoe on drums, Chuck on piano and Cowboy and other fine musicians on Gregg's tracks. Then Cowboy has two and Gregg plays organ on one.

Allman and Woman and anything recorded before the ABB formed should be at the bottom. Gregg didn't care for pre ABB stuff and by the 1980's was glad Allman and Woman didn't even sell enough to make the charts. I think he was okay with a couple of tracks but he found the album not helpful to his legacy and that he and Cher we're not a good fit for being in the same band.

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  posted on 3/20/2020 at 12:51 PM
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Oteil and the Peacemakers - Family Secret ... ahead of many on that list for me, personally.


Couldn't find anywhere online to listen to the whole album.

 

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  posted on 3/20/2020 at 12:53 PM
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Cool topic, iPowrie.

I'd suspect that for ABB albums, "EAP" and "AFE" will land in most folks number 1 or 2 positions.

Did you make a separate list for DTB / TTB, or are you just not a fan?

I have not check out Oteil's work. Sounds like it is time for me to do so!


I love DTB and TTB. Wanted to finish this before diving in. The plan for that is to listen to each album Derek and Susan did solo to see how there careers built to the formation of TTB. Then listen to TTB. Also wanted to do Gov't Mule separately.

 

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  posted on 3/20/2020 at 12:55 PM
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Good list. Looks about right. I would move Pattern Disruptive up some because Warren Haynes and Matt Apps and Dickey too for that matter or so strong. Album didn't sell much but to me that has zero to do with whether I like it.

I'd have a 1d. Gregg Allman Tour with special guest Cowboy is a real good live album. Didn't sell well but it has Bill Stewart and Jaimoe on drums, Chuck on piano and Cowboy and other fine musicians on Gregg's tracks. Then Cowboy has two and Gregg plays organ on one.

Allman and Woman and anything recorded before the ABB formed should be at the bottom. Gregg didn't care for pre ABB stuff and by the 1980's was glad Allman and Woman didn't even sell enough to make the charts. I think he was okay with a couple of tracks but he found the album not helpful to his legacy and that he and Cher we're not a good fit for being in the same band.

[Edited on 3/20/2020 by blackey]


Gregg Allman Tour is a classic IMO. I didn't do live albums outside of LAFE because leaving LAFE off the list wouldn't be right. Listening and ranking all the live albums from the Brothers and family bands would be its own thing.

 

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  posted on 3/20/2020 at 01:07 PM
#1. The Allman Brothers Band self-titled.

other than that my rankings will mirror most I'm sure

 

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  posted on 3/20/2020 at 01:41 PM
I'll play, but want to add another piece of criteria (because let's face it, time marches on) the order is reflective on (top 5) what I still listen to semi regularly and not what I deem "the best":

ABB Albums
1. Eat A Peach
2. Brothers & Sisters
3. Shades of Two Worlds
4. Live At Fillmore East
5. Hittin The Note

Family Projects Ranking
1. DTB "Songlines"
2. Duane Allman "Anthologies" 1&2
3. Dickey Betts Band- Pattern Disruptive
4. Gregg Allman Band- Playin' Up A Storm
5. Chuck Leavell "Forever Blue"



 

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  posted on 3/20/2020 at 02:20 PM
No time at the moment to make an album ranking but i want to honorably mention:

Jaimoe's Jasssz Band - Renaissance Man

If you do not know it: do yourself a favor and check it out!

Opening track "Dilemma" particularly kicks major asss.

[Edited on 3/21/2020 by ABBDutchFan]

 

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  posted on 3/20/2020 at 06:40 PM
For Family Projects, I would say numbers 8,9 & 14 would be 1,2 & 3. I would also move the Hour Glass albums up a bit higher. I know a lot of people (including Gregg) don't like them. Heck I even can listen to the Cher album. .


No mention of Dickey's Let's Get Together or The Collectors #1? I like both of those.

Does Gregg's One More Try not meet the criteria? If you can find it anymore, get it.

Fun topic.

[Edited on 3/21/2020 by Lee]

 

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  posted on 3/20/2020 at 07:12 PM
no ranking of the other live albums. hmmm......
 

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  posted on 3/21/2020 at 03:10 AM
For me itís Peach
Then a tie for 2nd between the 1st 2 & Fillmore (also have Beginnings on CD as well as Peach & Fillmore On MFSL half-speed remaster gold CD)
Then B&S the gateway for the remainder of their decades of music, all of which I adore, esp Shades

Good idea to keep the countless live releases separate - itís Fillmore & Fillmore alone
Among my top-such, Frogwings, Croakin at Toadís
& Andy Aledort & the Groove Kings, Live at the North Star 2009
From trading circles must also mention BHLT 3/19/1983 ďStonybrook revisited!Ē




[Edited on 3/21/2020 by Stephen]

 

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For Family Projects, I would say numbers 8,9 & 14 would be 1,2 & 3. I would also move the Hour Glass albums up a bit higher. I know a lot of people (including Gregg) don't like them. Heck I even can listen to the Cher album. .


No mention of Dickey's Let's Get Together or The Collectors #1? I like both of those.

Does Gregg's One More Try not meet the criteria? If you can find it anymore, get it.

Fun topic.


[Edited on 3/21/2020 by Lee]


Couldn't find anywhere online to listen to the complete Dickey albums you mentioned. Just looked up that Gregg album and I was staying away from compilation albums but that seems like something I should listen to.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2020 at 07:44 AM
Does anyone remember the X2 album? Johnny Neel & Matt Abts. That could count. It's what I would say, different. They played at B.B. King's in Times Square during one of the Beacon runs. I want to say somewhere around 2002-2004.

Went "backstage" with them and they both signed my CD cover that I brought with me. Johnny's signature is kind of funny. I was a little apprehensive about asking him to sign the cover since he is blind but he did. He is hilarious. Matt seemed pissed that I was there but Johnny was a lot of fun.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2020 at 08:19 AM
havenít heard of that one b4, will keep an ear out
Many Xclnt recordings come to mind - shouldíve mentioned CRS, Alive at 2nd St Music Hall - Johnny Sandlin, Paul Hornsby, Tommy Talton, Bill Stewart, special guest Lee Roy Parnell

 

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  posted on 3/21/2020 at 09:03 AM
Great job on the list, esp w/rating the top few Family Project Rankings 1a,1b etc - yep same as on ABB list, tie between Laid Back & Highway Call, giving way to the many which followed them, highlighted for me by Collectors, & Greggís last 3 recordings, Searching, Low Country & Southern Blood
ABB forever

 

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  posted on 3/21/2020 at 09:17 AM
Ipowrie. Yes I wasn't aware you were not including live albums. Now that I think about it, it was oblivious because albums such as Wipe the Windows, An Evening With first and second sets etc were not on the list.

Of course At Fillmore East had to be on the list because it is the album that not only is one of their best but was their breakthrough album going gold before Duane died proving the band was going to make it as an established successful band but eventually sold over a million copies and earned a Platinum award. One million copies is a large amount and means a band or artist is absolutely successful.

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For Family Projects, I would say numbers 8,9 & 14 would be 1,2 & 3. I would also move the Hour Glass albums up a bit higher. I know a lot of people (including Gregg) don't like them. Heck I even can listen to the Cher album. .


No mention of Dickey's Let's Get Together or The Collectors #1? I like both of those.

Does Gregg's One More Try not meet the criteria? If you can find it anymore, get it.

Fun topic.


[Edited on 3/21/2020 by Lee]


Couldn't find anywhere online to listen to the complete Dickey albums you mentioned. Just looked up that Gregg album and I was staying away from compilation albums but that seems like something I should listen to.



thats really weird those 2 betts albums are not online to listen to . i think there are samples on amazon or itunes though

 

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  posted on 3/22/2020 at 08:58 AM
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Ipowrie. Yes I wasn't aware you were not including live albums. Now that I think about it, it was oblivious because albums such as Wipe the Windows, An Evening With first and second sets etc were not on the list.

Of course At Fillmore East had to be on the list because it is the album that not only is one of their best but was their breakthrough album going gold before Duane died proving the band was going to make it as an established successful band but eventually sold over a million copies and earned a Platinum award. One million copies is a large amount and means a band or artist is absolutely successful.

[Edited on 3/21/2020 by blackey]


If I were to do live albums I would do everything including the archival releases. Right now I need a break from this music.

 

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  posted on 3/22/2020 at 09:47 AM
ha! can never have enough of the ABB
Live ones, hmmmm

Fillmore/Peach
(CDs, The Fillmore Concerts & Deluxe Fillmore Edition)

Then
Ludlow Garage
Atlanta Pop
2/11/70 Fillmore
American University
Stonybrook
Boston Common
A&R Studios
6/27/71 Fillmore
The new Fillmore West box set
2/11/72 Macon

WTWCTODGas
5/1/73 LI
9/26/73 Winterland

An Evening With
2nd Set
Play All Night

Peaking at the Beacon
One Way Out box set
the many awesome Instant Lives that came with the post-2000 band
of course the brand new Trouble No More box

Likely others too
Some, like summer 1972 w/Johnny Winter at Hollywood Bowl, have seen semi official gray area release - in addition, the vids - Brothers of the Road, Austin City Limits, the 2003 DirectTV gig.....
best damn band in the land

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  posted on 3/22/2020 at 11:44 AM
Rolling Stone's Tony Glover, liked me, was fooled by Louisiana Lou and Three Card Monty John and Sweet Mama on Win, Lose and Draw. The more I listened to the album, Jaimoe's side on my head phones sounded too straight ahead for his usual way of playing with Butch but he had done a little of that in the past such as Blue Sky and Melissa where his play is very minimal. Then I also learned Jaimoe doesn't even appear of some tracks from the beginning such as Whipping Post on the first album, Pony Boy on Brothers and Sisters was clear as he isn't on the credits for that one but neither is Gregg Allman. And on side one of Idlewild South only Butch plays drums, Jaimoe is on congas and percussion.

The truth turned out to be Bill Stewart and Johnny Sandlin played drums on Sweet Mama and Lousiana Lou. The Allman Brothers were in disarray and apparently had no interest in fortifying their sudden rise to America's number one band from the incredible success of Brothers and Sisters. Gregg Allman said he had his doubts about Brothers and Sisters doing as well as Fnlillmore East and Eat A Peach and hoped his solo album Laid Back would be a breakthrough for him personally. When Brothers and Sisters quickly rose to number one of the Billboard top 200 album chart and stayed their for 5 weeks selling millions of copies and they were suddenly in demand to headline festivals and coliseums coast to coast, none in the band was prepared for that level of success and rock stardom.

The ABB was under pressure by Phil Walden to follow up Brothers and Sisters hoping for another 4 million copies sold but the band was stressed with that pressure and with each other. Butch was especially irritated at Gregg being with Cher and as the sessions for Win, Lose and Draw became more waiting than recording, Butch told Circus and Rolling Stone " You can't depend on Gregg Allman for anything".

Johnny Sandlin said to lower the pressure from Phil and on the band, when Dickey showed up demanding to record, he could only find Lamar and Chuck so he and Bill Stewart ghosted for Butch and Jaimoe and he got Capricorn to rent time in Los Angeles and he took the tapes to LA and eventually got enough on tape out there from Gregg to finish the album.

Johnny said Win, Lose or Draw was the most challenging, depressing and aggravating thing he had ever seen.

But dispite all that, I agree it is better than those Arista records. Can't Loose What You Never Had and High Falls are very good to me. As good as anything on Brothsrs and Sisters

 

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  posted on 3/22/2020 at 04:17 PM
Here's another one I have. Johnny Neel's "Commin' Atcha Live". Jack Pearson is on it and it also includes what I think (not positive) is the first version of Maydell in the ABB camp.

Great album.

 

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  posted on 3/22/2020 at 05:54 PM
Real good posts, & why do I think Iíd be a fan of the the 1994 CD by the Toler Brothers - but have never heard a note of it - however, just now YouTubed their take of Goin Down Slow & liked it - cool track listing w/ couple of Albert King covers, a Leon Russell cover, a couple of originals - I liked Danís playing, more so outside-of than w/the ABB

 

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Real good posts, & why do I think Iíd be a fan of the the 1994 CD by the Toler Brothers - but have never heard a note of it - however, just now YouTubed their take of Goin Down Slow & liked it - cool track listing w/ couple of Albert King covers, a Leon Russell cover, a couple of originals - I liked Danís playing, more so outside-of than w/the ABB



I don't have that Toler Brothers album from 1994 either. They did put out another in 2005 from the band Toler called "Year of Tears". I have a copy of it and if memory serves, you had to order it directly from Danny himself. He wrote me a nice letter when he sent it to me. If I can find my CD I'll post what he said. Something along the lines of being a labor of love.

 

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