Thread: Rollback Report by Covid Task Force

cyclone88 - 7/17/2020 at 03:48 PM

FWIW, a 359 page report prepared for/by the WH Covid Task Force but not published shows that 18 "Red Zone" states should rollback their openings. They should NOT be moving forward w/re-openings. The states are:

Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Nevada, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Utah.

The report wasn't published but released to a non-profit newsroom the Center for Public Integrity. Both Pence & Dr. Birx acknowledge its authenticity.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/17/politics/white-house-states-hot-spots-task-f orce/index.html





Jerry - 7/17/2020 at 03:58 PM

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FWIW, a 359 page report prepared for/by the WH Covid Task Force but not published shows that 18 "Red Zone" states should rollback their openings. They should NOT be moving forward w/re-openings. The states are:

Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Nevada, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Utah.

The report wasn't published but released to a non-profit newsroom the Center for Public Integrity. Both Pence & Dr. Birx acknowledge its authenticity.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/17/politics/white-house-states-hot-spots-task-f orce/index.html



Annddd, our governor, Brian kemp, has issued that no local government can put a requirement in place for enforced mask use.
I think he's wrong. Masks should be required in public places.
some large retailers have issued store policies that require masks before entering their stores. Kroger, CVS, Publix, most big box stores, and many retail stores will not let you in if you aren't wearing a mask.


porkchopbob - 7/17/2020 at 04:04 PM

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Annddd, our governor, Brian kemp, has issued that no local government can put a requirement in place for enforced mask use.
I think he's wrong. Masks should be required in public places.

The conservative Supreme Court of WI did the same thing to WI's Governor's mask order - struck it down. It forced counties to enact their own mask orders, it's become a bizarre pissing match. OK's governor has test positive for COVID after Tulsa's Trump rally, which doesn't bode well for DeSantis and the city of Jacksonville unless they are more cautious.


cyclone88 - 7/17/2020 at 04:09 PM

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some large retailers have issued store policies that require masks before entering their stores. Kroger, CVS, Publix, most big box stores, and many retail stores will not let you in if you aren't wearing a mask.

As do some smaller businesses. The problem is that it requires the $7/hr staff to enforce the rules unless the store hires security to do so. This is one of those situations where the police should NOT be called to enforce a private business's policy. It's exactly the kind of thing that escalated into killings (a possible counterfeit $20, moving a car in a drive-thru lane) that shouldn't consume police resources. Masks seem to be a flashpoint so people shouldn't go anywhere they're not prepared to wear one.


porkchopbob - 7/17/2020 at 04:20 PM

A gun was pulled during a mask-related argument in a Walmart, where masks are now required.

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-walmart-mask-gun-1518201

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During the dispute, the suspect makes an obscene gesture towards the masked man before pulling a handgun from his waistband and threatening to kill him, the Sun-Sentinel reported.


Jerry - 7/17/2020 at 04:28 PM

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some large retailers have issued store policies that require masks before entering their stores. Kroger, CVS, Publix, most big box stores, and many retail stores will not let you in if you aren't wearing a mask.

As do some smaller businesses. The problem is that it requires the $7/hr staff to enforce the rules unless the store hires security to do so. This is one of those situations where the police should NOT be called to enforce a private business's policy. It's exactly the kind of thing that escalated into killings (a possible counterfeit $20, moving a car in a drive-thru lane) that shouldn't consume police resources. Masks seem to be a flashpoint so people shouldn't go anywhere they're not prepared to wear one.




Arm the door greeter with a can of Lysol. Someone tries to come in without a mask, point it at them and point to the sign "Company policy= No mask, No Entry". If they get close and start yelling, spray the area in front of you. You are protecting yourself from a possible infection. They continue to try to get in, call the police.
Criminal trespass, disorderly conduct, and some areas do charge those who breath in peoples' faces with assault. Combined 90 days in jail and up to $1000 in fines. Fines that some areas need to keep solvent with all the loss in sales tax.


adhill58 - 7/17/2020 at 08:26 PM

During a public health crisis, somebody has to make the right decisions even if they unpopular. One might assume that they would be made by the people who have been elected to make tough decisions, or at least, by the public health agencies that operate under the supervision of said elected officials. Apparently not...

At least we have Kroger to make public health decisions.


When have we ever had this kind of failure of leadership? Not everywhere, but the governors like Kemp who don't want to upset the "I read on facebook that masks are more dangerous than the virus" crowd or "constitutionalsts" that have no problem with seatbelt and smoking laws are pure cowards.


Brendan - 7/17/2020 at 09:51 PM

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Annddd, our governor, Brian kemp, has issued that no local government can put a requirement in place for enforced mask use


Iím really liking the Mayor of Atlanta during all of this nonsense.


MartinD28 - 7/17/2020 at 10:07 PM

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FWIW, a 359 page report prepared for/by the WH Covid Task Force but not published shows that 18 "Red Zone" states should rollback their openings. They should NOT be moving forward w/re-openings. The states are:

Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Nevada, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Utah.

The report wasn't published but released to a non-profit newsroom the Center for Public Integrity. Both Pence & Dr. Birx acknowledge its authenticity.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/17/politics/white-house-states-hot-spots-task-f orce/index.html



Annddd, our governor, Brian kemp, has issued that no local government can put a requirement in place for enforced mask use.
I think he's wrong. Masks should be required in public places.
some large retailers have issued store policies that require masks before entering their stores. Kroger, CVS, Publix, most big box stores, and many retail stores will not let you in if you aren't wearing a mask.


Gov. Kemp showed his ignorance earlier eralier in this pandemic not knowing that "that asymptomatic individuals can still spread coronavirus ó even though health experts had warned about the possibility as early as January."

His actions now are counterintuitive to sound reasoning and science - no surprise there. He's picked out Atlanta and is suing over mask mandate, yet he has not done so with other cities - some large & some small in Georgia. The Univ. Of Georgia is in Athens, a school with a large studnet population, yet no lawsuit there. So what's his real agenda? It's certainly not safety of the population.

As others have pointed out, stores are increasingly requiring masks. So leave it to big & small businesses to lead the way where Trump has failed and some (not all) of his sheep red state governors have followed suit. With the numbers ever expanding, health should be number one.

A week or so ago Dr. Fauci said new daily cases would reach 100,000, and it looks like we're on our way. Listen to the scientists, and let the governor learn from those who know way more than him, or there will be more cases and more deaths on his watch.


cyclone88 - 7/17/2020 at 10:44 PM

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With the numbers ever expanding, health should be number one.

Exactly, Martin. What's disturbing about the suppression of this task force report as well as the transfer & removal of hospital statistics from the CDC to Trump is that information critical to decision-making is being withheld by the federal government from everyone, including Congress. The WH is not allowing Dr. Redfield to testify before Congress this week because "he's too busy w/the pandemic," but the invitation was to any CDC official who could enlighten Congress about school re-openings. The public & Congress are deliberately being kept in the dark.

This goes far beyond wearing masks. It strikes at the foundation for making policy. Now, our governors, Congress, and local leaders are essentially being asked to hold a finger up to the wind & guess. It's unconscionable.


MartinD28 - 7/17/2020 at 10:53 PM

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With the numbers ever expanding, health should be number one.

Exactly, Martin. What's disturbing about the suppression of this task force report as well as the transfer & removal of hospital statistics from the CDC to Trump is that information critical to decision-making is being withheld by the federal government from everyone, including Congress. The WH is not allowing Dr. Redfield to testify before Congress this week because "he's too busy w/the pandemic," but the invitation was to any CDC official who could enlighten Congress about school re-openings. The public & Congress are deliberately being kept in the dark.

This goes far beyond wearing masks. It strikes at the foundation for making policy. Now, our governors, Congress, and local leaders are essentially being asked to hold a finger up to the wind & guess. It's unconscionable.


Another pathetic example of an authoritarian trying to quash reality and withhold information from the people and from specialists who need to know. Any sharing of the information is a black spot on his reelection bid. What a self centered fool he is. He could care less about the health of this country. The only thing he cares about is himself and votes. And let's distinguish between the votes and the voters.


cyclone88 - 7/26/2020 at 03:44 PM

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The only thing he cares about is himself and votes.

And the light bulb has gone on in his head that he needs to ACT like he's doing something about Covid19 that hasn't magically gone away. He's done 2 things this week that SEEM like he cares & people may believe him.

1 - He brought back the Task Force briefings that are going to be upbeat, may include other topics (like his re-election bid), & won't necessarily have any experts of any kind. He's putting himself smack in front of the TV audience again.

2 - He accepted defeat & "told" the RNC to cancel Jacksonville. This is the man who lambasted the governor of NC because he couldn't promise in the spring that the Charlotte arena could be at full capacity by late August for a coronation speech.

AND he made it seem like both were because of his concerns about safety: "I looked at my team and I said the timing for this event is not right. It's just not right with what's been happening. They said 'Sir, we can make this work very easily.' ... I said there's nothing more important in our country than keeping our people safe, whether it's from the China virus or the radical left mob. I just felt it was wrong to have people going to what turned out to be a hot spot." He even looked semi-sincere when he read it.

Martin, you've been steadfastly optimistic that he'll lose. Living in one of the most liberal parts of Manhattan, I have to say there's increasing concern that the TV celebrity is going to win again despite what "infractions" against the constitution he may have committed.


MartinD28 - 7/26/2020 at 09:38 PM

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The only thing he cares about is himself and votes.

And the light bulb has gone on in his head that he needs to ACT like he's doing something about Covid19 that hasn't magically gone away. He's done 2 things this week that SEEM like he cares & people may believe him.

1 - He brought back the Task Force briefings that are going to be upbeat, may include other topics (like his re-election bid), & won't necessarily have any experts of any kind. He's putting himself smack in front of the TV audience again.

2 - He accepted defeat & "told" the RNC to cancel Jacksonville. This is the man who lambasted the governor of NC because he couldn't promise in the spring that the Charlotte arena could be at full capacity by late August for a coronation speech.

AND he made it seem like both were because of his concerns about safety: "I looked at my team and I said the timing for this event is not right. It's just not right with what's been happening. They said 'Sir, we can make this work very easily.' ... I said there's nothing more important in our country than keeping our people safe, whether it's from the China virus or the radical left mob. I just felt it was wrong to have people going to what turned out to be a hot spot." He even looked semi-sincere when he read it.

Martin, you've been steadfastly optimistic that he'll lose. Living in one of the most liberal parts of Manhattan, I have to say there's increasing concern that the TV celebrity is going to win again despite what "infractions" against the constitution he may have committed.


There is nothing that has changed my optimism for his exist and the beginning of a nationalized Covid response beginning to take shape in January.

I watched his briefings this week. Much more toned down, less combative, and fewer (repeat fewer) lies and less but still over exaggeration. The briefings were much shorter, and he stuck to script for the most part written by others. He picked favorable reporters to address questions for the most part. His disapproval numbers are baked in, and he would have to have a vaccine immediately or some other miracle to bring down his high 50's or low 60's disapproval numbers. These are not the numbers that produce winners, and he is not running against HC.

I think the data that is presented regardless of his changing controls over data paint a horrible picture for the USA. The numbers are more what would be expected of a third world nation. The pandemic didn't disappear as he kept stating. As a matter of fact, it's out of control & a reflection on Trump. That and his high disapproval on race relations this spring / summer along with his clinging to statues & the Confederacy do not play well for George Wallace Trump. Worth repeating - midterms 2018.


cyclone88 - 7/26/2020 at 10:11 PM

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I watched his briefings this week. Much more toned down, less combative, and fewer (repeat fewer) lies and less but still over exaggeration. The briefings were much shorter, and he stuck to script for the most part written by others. He picked favorable reporters to address questions for the most part. His disapproval numbers are baked in, and he would have to have a vaccine immediately or some other miracle to bring down his high 50's or low 60's disapproval numbers. These are not the numbers that produce winners.

The scary part is that he's ACTING toned down, less combative, with fewer lies. He's never going to lose the exaggeration; he's a braggart. Even his hair looks more muted. Unless he's being medicated (& I don't discount that possibility), he can't sustain this newer more placid version of himself through November. The concern is that he'll woo some (particularly GOPers) who were beginning to realize he wasn't doing a good job back.

Just keep throwing out optimistic lines now & then so some of us will sleep better.


MartinD28 - 7/26/2020 at 10:23 PM

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I watched his briefings this week. Much more toned down, less combative, and fewer (repeat fewer) lies and less but still over exaggeration. The briefings were much shorter, and he stuck to script for the most part written by others. He picked favorable reporters to address questions for the most part. His disapproval numbers are baked in, and he would have to have a vaccine immediately or some other miracle to bring down his high 50's or low 60's disapproval numbers. These are not the numbers that produce winners.

The scary part is that he's ACTING toned down, less combative, with fewer lies. He's never going to lose the exaggeration; he's a braggart. Even his hair looks more muted. Unless he's being medicated (& I don't discount that possibility), he can't sustain this newer more placid version of himself through November. The concern is that he'll woo some (particularly GOPers) who were beginning to realize he wasn't doing a good job back.

Just keep throwing out optimistic lines now & then so some of us will sleep better.


Please don't tell us he might be medicated. That worries me. If medicated, I'm not sure he'd be able to distinguish a lion from a camel on the MONTREAL COGNITIVE ASSESSMENT. This should give pause to all of his constituents.


cyclone88 - 7/26/2020 at 11:11 PM

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Please don't tell us he might be medicated. That worries me. If medicated, I'm not sure he'd be able to distinguish a lion from a camel on the MONTREAL COGNITIVE ASSESSMENT. This should give pause to all of his constituents.

But he's already aced the test & stunned the doctors w/his abilities!!!!! He can just rely on that.

Now that you mention it, something has to account for this New Donald. Wasn't it just last week that he picked a fight w/Chris Wallace as to whether Wallace could pass the test? That the questions got harder at the end (date, time, location)? It was more than identify the rhino? He couldn't even hold an interview w/o having to prove he was somehow better than the reporter. Now, he's concerned for the health of all those GOP delegates in JAX so he told his people to forget the alternatives they suggested & just cancel & wants all Americans to hear the latest on vaccines & treatments in TV briefings. Sounds like a mood stabilizer to me....


DOVETAIL - 7/26/2020 at 11:21 PM

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Please don't tell us he might be medicated. That worries me. If medicated, I'm not sure he'd be able to distinguish a lion from a camel on the MONTREAL COGNITIVE ASSESSMENT. This should give pause to all of his constituents.

But he's already aced the test & stunned the doctors w/his abilities!!!!! He can just rely on that.

Now that you mention it, something has to account for this New Donald. Wasn't it just last week that he picked a fight w/Chris Wallace as to whether Wallace could pass the test? That the questions got harder at the end (date, time, location)? It was more than identify the rhino? He couldn't even hold an interview w/o having to prove he was somehow better than the reporter. Now, he's concerned for the health of all those GOP delegates in JAX so he told his people to forget the alternatives they suggested & just cancel & wants all Americans to hear the latest on vaccines & treatments in TV briefings. Sounds like a mood stabilizer to me....

This lasts til Thursday of this week and he will go berserk at somebody or something that is just absurd!?


DOVETAIL - 7/26/2020 at 11:23 PM

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FWIW, a 359 page report prepared for/by the WH Covid Task Force but not published shows that 18 "Red Zone" states should rollback their openings. They should NOT be moving forward w/re-openings. The states are:

Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Nevada, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Utah.

The report wasn't published but released to a non-profit newsroom the Center for Public Integrity. Both Pence & Dr. Birx acknowledge its authenticity.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/17/politics/white-house-states-hot-spots-task-f orce/index.html



Annddd, our governor, Brian kemp, has issued that no local government can put a requirement in place for enforced mask use.
I think he's wrong. Masks should be required in public places.
some large retailers have issued store policies that require masks before entering their stores. Kroger, CVS, Publix, most big box stores, and many retail stores will not let you in if you aren't wearing a mask.


Kemp in a 'who's more stupid?'contest with FL's DeSantis!?!?!


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