Thread: Registered users on-line

Jerry - 7/17/2020 at 02:38 AM

It's 10:06 pm Eastern Daylight time and only 3 registered users are online. Where are all the rest?
Isn't there over 8 thousand registered users on this forum?
Why doesn't anyone other than a select few post on here anymore?
Are they afraid of the troll posse, or just don't want to be picked on about their thoughts and political leanings.
I know over the years some have been run off by constant bickering, online bullying, and threats of violence (not real recently, but it has happened).

As we get closer to the election I see an uptic in the animosity shown to those who others think are Trump supporters.
Some have gone back to calling anyone who have some critical thoughts, and information, on the BLM movement and others calling for destruction of history iconography racists,
Some here are actually encouraging the destruction and looting of private property by not condemning those acts.
Some here are calling for action against imagined wrongs (the Bubba Wallace "noose" incident comes to mind).
Some here have tried to repress others from saying what they think and believe.

I've said before that the US has never had a real civil war. The Confederacy never tried to overthrow the Federal government.
I feel that there is a problem today that could lead to an actual civil war. The lack of civility among fellow Americans.
Listen to what others say. If someone gives you an opportunity to find out something, check it out. If someone disagrees with you, find out why they do so without ridicule or self serving remarks.

I have a feeling that the moderators and Roland will be deleting many threads over the next 6 months.
I hope that those deleted will be ones that tried to disrupt the family we have here and tried to divide us.

I'm not going to say that oft used phrase you see and read everywhere now a days, even though we are here, together, and we will get through this pandemic and election, hopefully together.


BIGV - 7/17/2020 at 04:13 AM

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hey Jerry; BigV, everyone; thanks for the sparring ; Im gone


It's been a pleasure my friend, sparring was all that was left here; not very far behind you.


piacere - 7/17/2020 at 10:45 AM

The timing of this thread is, to me, impeccable. Was going to post my adios last night in Gina's weather thread (could be the only person who never insulted anyone) but had some calls to make then nodded off.

I'm close too. Not that anyone cares.


nebish - 7/17/2020 at 12:06 PM

There were two "new" members in Gina's BLM thread. Very clear that they were veterans of the forum with only having like 10 or so posts though. I can't recall exactly what was really contained within, I just skimmed it quickly. It may've went south after I saw it, think it only had 4 posts at the time.

I cruise by to see what is going on, but I do not bother to log in just to do that. The only time I log in is when I actually intend to post. Assuming others do that as well, you will often see a large number of guests whom many of those are actual registered users who didn't take the time at that moment to actually log in.

My head and my interests are in a different place as is often the case for me throughout the year depending on what I'm doing and how I'm spending my time, so I don't have a lot to say right now. Hopefully our forum will be around for us down the road as it has before.


nebish - 7/17/2020 at 12:09 PM

I think I got Gina's BLM thread confused with her Iran thread. Like who is Cagey and Pdouble?

I don't know. I really don't care much to be discussing topics at hand right now anyway.


cyclone88 - 7/17/2020 at 12:17 PM

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I think I got Gina's BLM thread confused with her Iran thread. Like who is Cagey and Pdouble?
I don't know. I really don't care much to be discussing topics at hand right now anyway.


Glad to hear you're around if not posting.
No idea who those people are, but one isn't nice & hope it's not going to de-rail the whole forum.
Enjoy your summer!


nebish - 7/17/2020 at 12:30 PM

There is another site I visit for college football. Needless to say I'm not spending much time there...but on that one you have to log in to even just read the posts. That might be a solution here...the trolls would only be seen by those who are interested enough to log in and there for would have a smaller audience potentially reading their posts. Maybe, maybe not. There used to be a decent amount of fighting on the football forum I mentioned but now it's just the same people having normal discussions after switching to a member only viewing threads system.


gotdrumz - 7/17/2020 at 01:22 PM

I go on vacation from this place all the time.
Some take things way too personal/serious at times I am of the opinion that "different" has lost its inclusion in modern interaction and emphasis is placed on being right and/or correct to the fault of opposition only being misled, evil, ignorant, mental, intolerant, and everyone's favorite, racist. The anger is the head scratcher though
Dr. Drumz says use your own experiences to guide your path on life as it comes, input from others is just data to be processed and never an absolute. Any puzzle completed/solved by another with no personal interaction by yourself is like saying you painted the print in the frame on your wall or watching an ABB DVD and believing it is the same/ better than actually having been at the Beacon for the gig.


Everyone is a dumb@$$ in some capacity of another, Some fail to possess the ability to admit it, or much worse, have to go see if it is trending on social media before even contemplating the thought process involved.


porkchopbob - 7/17/2020 at 01:27 PM

I typically only log in if I'm going to post something as well, I still lurk to read through some topics. I mostly stick to the Anything Goes, I still prefer to talk about music and I still discover new music here all the time.

I drift over here to the WP for sports mostly, and enjoy reading some of the political discussions. They have typically been pretty thoughtful - people from different areas and perspectives trading info that might not have otherwise been exposed to. There has been a lot to discuss the past 4 years, whatever your opinion this has definitely been a unique time. When people listen to each other, it's thought provoking. Sometimes things get circular, many of us simply believe what we believe. Sometimes there's a Muleman who walks into a room with the intent to kick over the furniture.

I'm not surprised a couple threads got deleted yesterday, there was one newbie who I'm surprised still has an account. Most here are pretty civil, but the WP can take some nasty turns. That's when I usually take a break and stick to AG. But as every year passes, there is less and less to discuss even there, and even some of those threads go off the rails.

But then, HTN has always been a bit of a family. I know a lot of HTN people I've since met at shows who don't come here at all anymore, they stick to FB. When I met Sang at Wanee a few years ago, everyone pointed out we are the only ones out of a whole pack of super fans there who still post on HTN. The WP shines a light on minor topics we disagree about and the WP enhances that because the anonymous nature of online discussions lack nuance. I have great friends and family I disagree with, but they are still my favorite peoples and we can have a cordial conversation. Here in the WP, it's easy to forget how much we have in common.


Jerry - 7/17/2020 at 02:13 PM

Right now, 9:17 am Eastern, we have again 3 registered users on line, but we have 529 guests.
We always have a lot of people perusing our posts and possibly forming opinions of who and what we are, and what ABB fans are made of.

They must like the music, or they like the controversy generated here. Maybe some of the "guests" are actually registered, but don't want to get into the mess that has been generated lately. Some could be ones banned from the site, but want to keep up with any "progress" they had generated.

Nebish posted about the football website where you have to log in just to read the posts. When I first came on these forums you didn't have to log in to post. There were a lot of the infamous "0" posters since even a username wasn't required. You should have seen this place back then.
Think the name calling is bad, should have seen some of those posts. Cyber bullying was rampant. Threats of violence, posting addresses, photos of posters homes, phone calls that included death threats where some decided their view was the only one that should be aired, vile language, this place is tame now compared to back then.
Much of that got throttled back when the site changed to require registering to post. Not all, but quite a bit.

Had a good run for a few tears, then a group got together and decided they wanted to "police" the site from those who they didn't like.
They followed some posters from thread to thread and posted insults, not only about him, but his family. Those posters got angry at one of those they didn't want on here and posted the phone number and address where he worked.
We went through a "Boyton Brother" phase then when they would get banned, come back, get banned again, and again. That time it wasn't a single person, but close to 10.
We got through that.
We got through the 2000 election and the circus that came afterward.
Most of us got through the "Fence Fund" year. Some left from the repeated ridicule by some posters who would hijack threads and would sometime post not-so-veiled threats. They did stay the course on the fundraising.
We got through the Obama years where a poster was called racist, and other things, when any type of criticism of Obama was posted.
Last year this place was almost in the same condition it is now. Only a few posting.
BrerRabbit and I got together and decided to just post wild, ridiculous things. Some posters came back and have remained.
This place really isn't dead, just going through one of its' phases. There will more than likely be some culling of those who don't want us to post a disagreement, or are mad that facts don't support their belief.

Some of those posters had been good ones in the past, and always agreed to disagree. I think the strain of the pandemic, isolation, possible money problems form where their job has been deemed non-essential, even the familial problems of forced togetherness (You mean I got to stay in the same house with you for the next xxx months? Hello, is this the package store? Do you do bulk deliveries?).

This has been called a place of brotherhood, and i think it still is. We should be for each other. We should understand that sometimes there are reasons to rant. We might not understand it when a poster does that, but we can still get along.

If a poster wants to rant about something, I think that a Thread called "I just want to rant for bit" would be the place. Post what you want. it might not get read by others, but at least you got it out of your system.

Any agreement on that?


Jerry - 7/17/2020 at 04:15 PM

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Post what you want. it might not get read by others, but at least you got it out of your system.

Any agreement on that?




To some degree yes I can agree, but you know to some degree also the damage is done. Name calling and bullying are the fastest ways to kill participation in a forum. Some people like to destroy discussion with one word name calling posts like racist, nazi, nazi viper, white supremacist, communist, etc and use GIF's of someone blowing the balls off a nazi to stop discussion and only to cause harm to others and diversion from topics.

However, I think the low traffic is largely due to the fact the band is no more. And it does not help that former band members do not participate and interact with fans at all from what I can tell. The band members themselves open up social media accounts on facebook and draw fans away from this forum over to facebook. I see this with other bands as well.

It tends to divide the fan base rather than unite it which should be what is happening with this computer driven internet. This forum should be linked to social media and it could all be united if only there was a vision for it and determination to make it happen but we don't see that. This forum is isolated from the social media activities of former band members and that is hurting it a lot.

It would be very helpful if former band members would use this forum as part of their every day interaction with paying fan base and keep it alive and use it to promote what they are doing today, but from what I can tell none of them do that. Instead they are drawing fans away from here rather than the opposite and contributing to an overall growing body of band knowledge and history that should be kept alive and promoted and grown.


I can only remember Butch as being the only band member that participated here, and that was few and far between.
Berrys' daughter, Brittany, came here for a while, and she was run off by those who didn't like that she backed the Fence Fund. I also seem to remember Duane's' daughter came in and posted a couple of times during that time.

There was a time when the home page had links to the sites for various musicians.

I don't think it's ever been about band participation, just about talking about the band and your experiences.
Whipping Post was where people came to argue about what was played or what instrument was used and even about what type of pickup was used on certain guitars.
There were many threads about how to build your own "Tractor" bass.
One I remember from way back was concerned if Gregg actually played that fast or was he using the leslie to make it sound as if he was.

here is a question: Why is it that no one who registered since 9-18-2018 has not made it to even 10 posts?
The last one to get close registered on 9-17-2018 and has only 15 posts. There are more that posted 0 posts than all others combined. Just under two years and all that have registered since then have made less than 150 posts.


nebish - 7/18/2020 at 02:34 AM

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Who? I am former live sound engineer who worked with more artists than I can count.


Good, thank you for that. Forgive me for seeing a low post count member newly active in WP threads.

Maybe the forum needs some moderators. Very common on other web forums. Roland doesn't have time to baby sit this place. If he can control who has access and posting ability, then maybe some of us can police the threads ourselves. Whoever was going to do that would have to be granted special ability to edit and restrict threads. There are a few good members here who could do that, although they might not want to. I would volunteer myself, I just fear I go through periods of inactivity.

As for a thread for ranting, that is all well and good, but stuff is always going to bleed into all the other threads. It is what it is, it's the internet, a lot of BS goes on everywhere.


Jerry - 7/18/2020 at 03:50 AM

33% gain tonight. We've got 4 registered users on line.
In another week, we may have 5.


cyclone88 - 7/18/2020 at 05:00 PM

Thank goodness Cagey is gone - hostile, agitator, spoiling for a fight. He's no longer on the member list, but there's a Cageylefty who registered at the same time who might be back.

When BoytonBrother returned, he'd register as a PeachBud, post 25 times/day (kind of a tip off that he wasn't a newbie), get kicked off, have that username deleted, & do it all over again the next day. He did that 5 times in 6 weeks!

It's getting hard to navigate around here. Having to guard against new trolls is tiresome. Why banned members are desperate to get back here to disrupt is beyond me. This is a site for a defunct 50 yr old band w/comments on Can You Believe What Trump Did Today like putting W & Clinton's official portrait in the room w/unused linens so he wouldn't have to look at them.

Seriously, Cagey was hostile & threatening. When he was talking about hacking accounts, is that possible? What info could anyone get?


Jerry - 7/18/2020 at 05:10 PM

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Thank goodness Cagey is gone - hostile, agitator, spoiling for a fight. He's no longer on the member list, but there's a Cageylefty who registered at the same time who might be back.

When BoytonBrother returned, he'd register as a PeachBud, post 25 times/day (kind of a tip off that he wasn't a newbie), get kicked off, have that username deleted, & do it all over again the next day. He did that 5 times in 6 weeks!

It's getting hard to navigate around here. Having to guard against new trolls is tiresome. Why banned members are desperate to get back here to disrupt is beyond me. This is a site for a defunct 50 yr old band w/comments on Can You Believe What Trump Did Today like putting W & Clinton's official portrait in the room w/unused linens so he wouldn't have to look at them.

Seriously, Cagey was hostile & threatening. When he was talking about hacking accounts, is that possible? What info could anyone get?




I'm going to have to ask the question, in which posts was he hostile, threatening, or spoiling for a fight?

I never saw a post indicating any of that. Of course he could have done that in a thread I didn't want to read, so, if you could tell me where he did so, I'd like to know.

BoytonBrother is still listed as a member (12/27/2003). Why hasn't his screen name been removed?

Yes, hacking accounts has happened here before.


cyclone88 - 7/18/2020 at 05:20 PM

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I'm going to have to ask the question, in which posts was he hostile, threatening, or spoiling for a fight?

He was ranting about taking up arms against hippies yesterday & today, he was all over me about Jews being evil & he was free to say what he wanted.

I don't remember Boyton Brother. I don't know anything about his leaving. All I know is that he tried to return to disrupt threads & insult by posting 25-30 times/day after registering w/a new username. Those usernames were removed. I asked him why he didn't just ask Rowland to re-set his password so he could use Boyton Brother & he said he didn't want to "bother" Rowland.

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Yes, hacking accounts has happened here before.

So what info did the hackers get?


porkchopbob - 7/18/2020 at 05:40 PM

Glad to hear Cagey is gone. He came on here nearly a decade ago and got into it with Tom Dowd's daughter about how he taught Dowd how to mic live records. Then this week he came back and was dropping ugly, racist garbage all over the place (the Finland stuff made my skin crawl). He was absolutely the cause of that multiple thread purge a few days ago. It was almost the last straw for me, not what I come here to read. Different opinions are great, but bigotry is not an opinion.


Bhawk - 7/18/2020 at 06:06 PM

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I've said before that the US has never had a real civil war. The Confederacy never tried to overthrow the Federal government.
I feel that there is a problem today that could lead to an actual civil war. The lack of civility among fellow Americans.
Listen to what others say. If someone gives you an opportunity to find out something, check it out. If someone disagrees with you, find out why they do so without ridicule or self serving remarks.


Issues we have as a society at the moment...

- Every issue must be framed politically, red or blue
- Red and Blue issue stances are framed and re-framed by the ideological extremes of both sides
- Absolutely zero humility shown by...anyone
- We are solidly in the Post-Truth Era. "Alternative facts" was a major game-changer.
- Fact and opinion are given equal weight
- Agreement is seen as a weakness, therefore, anyone can rationalize...anything
- The worst attributes of a very small few are attached to the entirety of the whole

Fix all that, we'll be good. Where do we start?

Actually, better question is...who goes first?


MarkRamsey - 7/18/2020 at 06:29 PM

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I've said before that the US has never had a real civil war. The Confederacy never tried to overthrow the Federal government.
I feel that there is a problem today that could lead to an actual civil war. The lack of civility among fellow Americans.
Listen to what others say. If someone gives you an opportunity to find out something, check it out. If someone disagrees with you, find out why they do so without ridicule or self serving remarks.


Issues we have as a society at the moment...

- Every issue must be framed politically, red or blue
- Red and Blue issue stances are framed and re-framed by the ideological extremes of both sides
- Absolutely zero humility shown by...anyone
- We are solidly in the Post-Truth Era. "Alternative facts" was a major game-changer.
- Fact and opinion are given equal weight
- Agreement is seen as a weakness, therefore, anyone can rationalize...anything
- The worst attributes of a very small few are attached to the entirety of the whole

Fix all that, we'll be good. Where do we start?

Actually, better question is...who goes first?




Lookout we're agreeing again.


Jerry - 7/18/2020 at 07:11 PM

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I've said before that the US has never had a real civil war. The Confederacy never tried to overthrow the Federal government.
I feel that there is a problem today that could lead to an actual civil war. The lack of civility among fellow Americans.
Listen to what others say. If someone gives you an opportunity to find out something, check it out. If someone disagrees with you, find out why they do so without ridicule or self serving remarks.


Issues we have as a society at the moment...

- Every issue must be framed politically, red or blue
- Red and Blue issue stances are framed and re-framed by the ideological extremes of both sides
- Absolutely zero humility shown by...anyone
- We are solidly in the Post-Truth Era. "Alternative facts" was a major game-changer.
- Fact and opinion are given equal weight
- Agreement is seen as a weakness, therefore, anyone can rationalize...anything
- The worst attributes of a very small few are attached to the entirety of the whole

Fix all that, we'll be good. Where do we start?

Actually, better question is...who goes first?



I have tried for a while to show some folks that what they believe isn't exactly what's true.

Put the facts in front of them, and they attack you because you don't follow their view of reality.

Some times there is a "purple" side to issues. Something that works for both sides, but not in a manner that the reds and blues want it done.

There are things that I agree on with my sometimes political opposites. Get fussed at from both sides that I'm not following the status quo.

Why should humility be an issue? Everybody knows that you need to drown out the other voices to get your point across. Just don't let your opponent speak, write, or broadcast an opinion that isn't yours.
That's the way things are now. Nobody listens, just tries to keep blaring out what they want hear. If you don't listen, how can there be dialog? Without dialog, no understanding. No understanding, no humility, no sympathy, no caring.

Alternative facts, no. Additional facts, yes. Too easy to research that which really happened, and shame those who tend to want to make the real facts bend to their version of reality.

Opinion can hold sway in an theoretical argument, but should never be presented as "this is what happened".

As said before, I agree with my sometimes opponents once in a while, if I don't, I try not to make a federal case out of it.

The actions of individuals doesn't effect how i feel on others in their racial, religious, geographic, gender, or sexual affiliation. I am wondering when there will be a Heterosexual Pride Day and Parade.

I might not be able to fix it, but I think I've got a decent start to it. Now, if others will just start to listen to what people have to say, and feel what they are saying, maybe we can get a little farther along in this human race.


stormyrider - 7/18/2020 at 07:23 PM

^^
well put

There is so much gray out there. Unfortunately much of it has been lost.
There is no nuance anymore.
We live in an analog world, but all decisions have become binary.
I miss the days when I can have a discussion without emotion with people I disagree with. I often learn more in those situations than I do when I'm talking with people who are mostly in my camp.

Sometimes there are great discussions here. Sometimes I have to shake my head an ignore what someone posted, sometimes I have to walk away.




Jerry - 7/18/2020 at 07:27 PM

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I'm going to have to ask the question, in which posts was he hostile, threatening, or spoiling for a fight?

He was ranting about taking up arms against hippies yesterday & today, he was all over me about Jews being evil & he was free to say what he wanted.

I don't remember Boyton Brother. I don't know anything about his leaving. All I know is that he tried to return to disrupt threads & insult by posting 25-30 times/day after registering w/a new username. Those usernames were removed. I asked him why he didn't just ask Rowland to re-set his password so he could use Boyton Brother & he said he didn't want to "bother" Rowland.

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Yes, hacking accounts has happened here before.

So what info did the hackers get?


Did you see my post about where some posters got hold of addresses, phone numbers, work location, photos of houses of posters they didn't like, along with names of family members?

Mine was hacked early on. Got some nasty phone calls, late night visitors yelling from cars, and some threats.
Kinda quit when somebody found out why I had a t-shirt that says "Does Not Play Well With Others".
I then went with an unlisted number.


cyclone88 - 7/18/2020 at 07:41 PM

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Did you see my post about where some posters got hold of addresses, phone numbers, work location, photos of houses of posters they didn't like, along with names of family members?

Mine was hacked early on. Got some nasty phone calls, late night visitors yelling from cars, and some threats.
Kinda quit when somebody found out why I had a t-shirt that says "Does Not Play Well With Others".
I then went with an unlisted number.


Wow! I had no idea. Sorry to hear that.

I registered years ago & don't recall providing much more than my email & creating a username/password. Can't imagine what someone could do w/that.

Well, hopefully Cagey was just a lot of noise & isn't going to hack anyone.


Jerry - 7/18/2020 at 07:44 PM

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am wondering when there will be a Heterosexual Pride Day and Parade.


All day, every day at your local gogo bar. Go celebrate your orientation til the cows come home! How long would a gay strip joint stay in business in the town nearest you?


You ever hear of Ann's Tic Toc club on Broadway? Where Little Richard got his start. It opened in the 40's, closed in the late 70's, but there are several "alternate" sexual joints around here, they just aren't strip clubs.

Besides GoGo bars are so 60ish.


Jerry - 7/18/2020 at 08:31 PM

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Did you see my post about where some posters got hold of addresses, phone numbers, work location, photos of houses of posters they didn't like, along with names of family members?

Mine was hacked early on. Got some nasty phone calls, late night visitors yelling from cars, and some threats.
Kinda quit when somebody found out why I had a t-shirt that says "Does Not Play Well With Others".
I then went with an unlisted number.


Wow! I had no idea. Sorry to hear that.

I registered years ago & don't recall providing much more than my email & creating a username/password. Can't imagine what someone could do w/that.

Well, hopefully Cagey was just a lot of noise & isn't going to hack anyone.


Wow, pretty weird. Thanks for the warning Jerry, strange as it's been around here might be a good time for all to do a password change:


Gotta remember all that happened more than 15 years ago.


porkchopbob - 7/18/2020 at 11:28 PM

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funny how Oregon pretends to be so progressive and tolerant but really very provincial compared to cultural hotspots down south.


Why aren't the Oregon militias fighting back against the secret Federal police infiltrating Portland? Isn't this exactly what they trained for?


Jerry - 7/19/2020 at 12:29 AM

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funny how Oregon pretends to be so progressive and tolerant but really very provincial compared to cultural hotspots down south.


Why aren't the Oregon militias fighting back against the secret Federal police infiltrating Portland? Isn't this exactly what they trained for?


Conspiracy theory?


porkchopbob - 7/19/2020 at 01:14 AM

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funny how Oregon pretends to be so progressive and tolerant but really very provincial compared to cultural hotspots down south.


Why aren't the Oregon militias fighting back against the secret Federal police infiltrating Portland? Isn't this exactly what they trained for?


Conspiracy theory?


For the militias, maybe.

A few years ago, OR militias raided a public wildlife building.

https://www.newsweek.com/oregon-militia-members-fear-federal-raid-coming-41 2186

This past week, unidentified federal agents have been arresting people on the streets of Portland

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/07/18/outcry-in-oregon-stat e-sues-homeland-security-as-national-local-officials-tell-troops-to-get-out /#76d6c92d1eae

Just saying, this is exactly the kind of government overstep these militias are against. Well, until they arenít


[Edited on 7/19/2020 by porkchopbob]


gotdrumz - 7/19/2020 at 01:18 PM

With today's technology you can follow a group of 200 people doing "whatever" two weeks ago in real time up to the moment a few got arrested. What they did in that time frame? I don't know, you don't know, the news don't know, but the person "randomly" getting pulled off the street knows.


BIGV - 7/19/2020 at 01:30 PM

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Different opinions are great, but bigotry is not an opinion.


Lord, here we go. "Bigotry" as defined by who?.....Just another label for thoughts expressed that differ with yours.

Give it a rest.


porkchopbob - 7/19/2020 at 03:23 PM

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Different opinions are great, but bigotry is not an opinion.

Lord, here we go. "Bigotry" as defined by who?.....Just another label for thoughts expressed that differ with yours.

Give it a rest.

The dude said countries without black people are the happier. That's an attempt to twist data to support his own prejudice. It's a textbook case, but feel free to die on that hill if you prefer.


Jerry - 7/19/2020 at 03:52 PM

porkchopbob posted 10:23am 7/19/2020


The dude said countries without black people are the happier. That's an attempt to twist data to support his own prejudice. It's a textbook case, but feel free to die on that hill if you prefer.


No, the dude didn't. He quoted an article and provided a link to it.
He also gave you the list of those following Finland.
He had nothing in the post about absence of blacks.

This is the second time you've posted things that didn't happen in his posts.

In two separate threads folks have claimed he wanted to gun down hippies in one, and blacks in another.
adhill was one of the others.

Sorry, but the line was in the middle of a large post. It said: "If, or when, it happens, will those who were anti-gun come to me to protect them?" I am the one who posted that. No mention of blacks, no mention of hippies.






[Edited on 7/19/2020 by Jerry]


porkchopbob - 7/19/2020 at 04:20 PM

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No, the dude didn't. He quoted an article and provided a link to it.
He also gave you the list of those following Finland.
He had nothing in the post about absence of blacks.

This is the second time you've posted things that didn't happen in his posts.

Jerry, maybe you missed it because he deleted it (and the threads have since been deleted), but it was pretty clear what his intent was. He's gone, I'm not going to waste any more time on it.


Jerry - 7/19/2020 at 05:02 PM

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No, the dude didn't. He quoted an article and provided a link to it.
He also gave you the list of those following Finland.
He had nothing in the post about absence of blacks.

This is the second time you've posted things that didn't happen in his posts.

Jerry, maybe you missed it because he deleted it (and the threads have since been deleted), but it was pretty clear what his intent was. He's gone, I'm not going to waste any more time on it.


That's fine. how about wasting a little bit of time and delete those posts? I'll delete these and call it even, OK.


cyclone88 - 7/20/2020 at 01:50 PM

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It's 10:06 pm Eastern Daylight time and only 3 registered users are online. Where are all the rest?


Think it's a natural slowdown due to summer & people are taking some kind of break. Also, there are no sports, concerts, events, etc. going on to discuss. Unless there's a Covid19 breakthrough not much to discuss there so we're kind of out of topics. I do like hearing reports of what's going on in other regions from members who live there. It'll pick back up.


BIGV - 7/20/2020 at 03:44 PM

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It's 10:06 pm Eastern Daylight time and only 3 registered users are online. Where are all the rest?


Think it's a natural slowdown due to summer & people are taking some kind of break. Also, there are no sports, concerts, events, etc. going on to discuss. Unless there's a Covid19 breakthrough not much to discuss there so we're kind of out of topics. I do like hearing reports of what's going on in other regions from members who live there. It'll pick back up.


Here's my reason:

This is a private message from :"4umad2" who has not identified himself, but is a Volunteer moderator.

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Terms of Service, Please review the terms of service for the Forum. "Simply inserting some type of punctuation mark into a curse word doesn't change the intent of or understanding of the word".


So, I guess typing in a "curse" word with an asterisk included in the phrase so that out of courtesy the whole word in question does not appear is a "no-no"...But calling people names is acceptable.

I then received this from Roland in response to my inquiry as to what was going on here:

"You are on the radar of the moderators as someone who does try to stay within the letter of the ToS but a lot of your posts seem to drive people into the red zone."

"The red zone"


cyclone88 - 7/20/2020 at 04:56 PM

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Here's my reason:

The moderators are being cautious after the headache of BoytonBrother. I got a message from a moderator about posting my topics in the correct forum. I don't start that many topics so I guess something that should've been WP was in AG during the BoytonBrother drama. I didn't read it until a month after it was sent (I don't know how you know if you have a pm. I never get them. Of course, I didn't know there was a Red Zone, either.)

You're probably a casualty of that since BB always headed straight for you to provoke. He told me to FOff spelled out correctly & when I quoted it for response, it automatically became all asterisks. I thought it was some sort of auto anti-curse word thing.

This is exactly why I was so annoyed & unwilling to "let it go" w/BB. He gets banned, but we're now closely monitored. Same w/Cagey who was unhinged IMO. Glad they're monitoring for trolls, but it does put a damper on discussion.








Jerry - 7/20/2020 at 06:27 PM

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It's 10:06 pm Eastern Daylight time and only 3 registered users are online. Where are all the rest?


Think it's a natural slowdown due to summer & people are taking some kind of break. Also, there are no sports, concerts, events, etc. going on to discuss. Unless there's a Covid19 breakthrough not much to discuss there so we're kind of out of topics. I do like hearing reports of what's going on in other regions from members who live there. It'll pick back up.


Used to be that at 10pm we would have folks from all the time zones checking in.
Those in Europe would have checked in from 1am to 7am.

With the lockdown you would think we would have higher traffic since this is a place to connect and share things.

Instead we have just been getting more threads that are basically "trash trump" venues.

We have had new members sign up, but like I posted earlier no new members have made more than 10 posts
since those who registered in December 2018. Majority of those new ones have 0 or 1 posts.


MartinD28 - 7/20/2020 at 06:51 PM

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Instead we have just been getting more threads that are basically "trash trump" venues.




Anyone who thinks he deserves differently or is leading properly is free to state so. I don't think anyone has prevented that.


stormyrider - 7/20/2020 at 06:56 PM

^^^
we are having an apolitical discussion (on the WP?? - shocking), but I guess the number of "trash Trump" threads is likely a reflection of current events and will vary in the same direction as approval / disapproval ratings.


Bhawk - 7/20/2020 at 07:03 PM

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Instead we have just been getting more threads that are basically "trash trump" venues.


Hundreds upon hundreds of trash Obama threads over eight years didn't negatively affect traffic...

You keep skirting around this whole "it's the fault of the local liberals" thing, but it's not going to land. That would only be the case were liberals the only ones trashing, bashing or insulting. Far from the case.


Jerry - 7/20/2020 at 07:44 PM

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Instead we have just been getting more threads that are basically "trash trump" venues.


Hundreds upon hundreds of trash Obama threads over eight years didn't negatively affect traffic...

You keep skirting around this whole "it's the fault of the local liberals" thing, but it's not going to land. That would only be the case were liberals the only ones trashing, bashing or insulting. Far from the case.


The three posts above this one is probably one reason we don't have many posting the WP anymore.

There weren't hundreds and hundreds of trash Obama threads. Maybe a few hundred, but not in the context I believe you are thinking of.

I haven't been skirting around anything. If I feel that "liberals" are the fault of anything, I'll be glad to share my opinion.

There's no opinion in my post about the "trash trump" threads. Some are pretty accurate, some are just dumb venting, from both parties and independents.
Just compare the thread count trash trump vs not trash trump. Let me know if you come up with a different figure than I did. Simple arithmetic.

You're about to get into my "red zone" insinuating things that isn't true.

Begin edit: Sorry Brer, you posted before I did, so it should be "The three posts above the BrerRabbit post".



[Edited on 7/20/2020 by Jerry]


stormyrider - 7/20/2020 at 07:59 PM

I respectfully disagree

From my perspective, it's the tone more than the content

I'm no fan of Trump, but I would shake my head just as much if someone was flaming a Trump supporter as I would the other way around.

We can disagree politely or we can be jerks (I would use stronger language, but...)


cyclone88 - 7/20/2020 at 09:07 PM

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Hundreds upon hundreds of trash Obama threads over eight years didn't negatively affect traffic...

You keep skirting around this whole "it's the fault of the local liberals" thing, but it's not going to land. That would only be the case were liberals the only ones trashing, bashing or insulting. Far from the case.


One thing we should all be able to agree on is that Trump is an outrageous guy. He's not liberal, conservative, a Democrat, Republican, or Independent (although he's been registered as all 3 at some point in his life). He's one-of-a kind & a man who invites head-shaking & "can you believe this?"

For example, he moved Clinton's & W's portraits out of his line of sight into a rarely used dining room where extra linens are stored because he can. He's not allowing Obama's portrait to be hung. Every single other president has had the good grace or at least respect for tradition to let the portraits of his predecessors hang where they've hung for decades. It's a petty thing & mildly amusing (if you're 9 years old). He can't get rid of Covid19 but he can certainly rid himself of portraits of other presidents.

That's the kind of apolitical thing Trump does that invites comment. The most powerful man in the world can't get what he wants so he resorts to moving toys around the house.

I really wish we'd stop w/the generalizations of what "Liberals" v. "Conservatives" think. We, believe it or not, can think several things at once. I'd like to get thru one week of not using those terms.


MartinD28 - 7/20/2020 at 09:52 PM

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For example, he moved Clinton's & W's portraits out of his line of sight into a rarely used dining room where extra linens are stored because he can. He's not allowing Obama's portrait to be hung. Every single other president has had the good grace or at least respect for tradition to let the portraits of his predecessors hang where they've hung for decades. It's a petty thing & mildly amusing (if you're 9 years old). He can't get rid of Covid19 but he can certainly rid himself of portraits of other presidents.

That's the kind of apolitical thing Trump does that invites comment. The most powerful man in the world can't get what he wants so he resorts to moving toys around the house.




I've used the term dispicable person to describe Trump becasue he has no humility and has no compassion for almost anyone. He even mocks the disabled. What kind of person does that?

I've seen the reports on the paintings (Obama a while back & Bush + Clinton this past weekend). To me these are not dispicable moves. They are more childish & immature - something you'd expect out of a middle school student. Here we are in a pandemic with people losing their lives, hospitals filling up, & numbers rising, and what is Trump doing - Playing "I'll show them by denying Obama's painting and moving Bush + Clinton". What a small man Trump is.

He earns his criticism fairly.


cyclone88 - 7/20/2020 at 10:32 PM

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I've seen the reports on the paintings (Obama a while back & Bush + Clinton this past weekend). To me these are not dispicable moves. They are more childish & immature - something you'd expect out of a middle school student. Here we are in a pandemic with people losing their lives, hospitals filling up, & numbers rising, and what is Trump doing - Playing "I'll show them by denying Obama's painting and moving Bush + Clinton". What a small man Trump is. He earns his criticism fairly.

Exactly, it's not despicable or political. It's just childish. All because he can't beat a virus. That's not Trump's fault; no one but the people in lab coats can.

Same w/the interview w/Chris Wallace re the cognition test. He kept telling Wallace that Wallace wouldn't be able to complete it. The "very hard" questions at the end (what is the date, what city/state are you in). Who cares? Why does the POTUS have to challenge the reporter's ability to take some test? Why does it have to be the hardest, most mind-boggling test ever to have been invented? Again, not political, just childish.

Just saw that he's resuming Covid19 Task Force broadcasts tomorrow because of the high TV ratings. It doesn't matter that the #s are twice as high as they were back at their previous peak, it's an opportunity for him to get in front of an audience to strut his stuff.


Jerry - 7/20/2020 at 11:07 PM

Well, to get BACK on topic, right now I'm the only one om line. 7PM eastern.
Everybody must be either chilling in a shower in the SE, grabbing a cheese steak sandwich in Philly, chasing down a pizza in NYC, some b-b-q n" brew in the Carolinas, and some jambalaya in Nawlens.
Right now I'm going for some fried squash, fried green tomatoes, and corn on the cob. All veggie dinner tonight.
Be back later.


Bhawk - 7/21/2020 at 01:39 AM

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Instead we have just been getting more threads that are basically "trash trump" venues.


Hundreds upon hundreds of trash Obama threads over eight years didn't negatively affect traffic...

You keep skirting around this whole "it's the fault of the local liberals" thing, but it's not going to land. That would only be the case were liberals the only ones trashing, bashing or insulting. Far from the case.


The three posts above this one is probably one reason we don't have many posting the WP anymore.

There weren't hundreds and hundreds of trash Obama threads. Maybe a few hundred, but not in the context I believe you are thinking of.

I haven't been skirting around anything. If I feel that "liberals" are the fault of anything, I'll be glad to share my opinion.

There's no opinion in my post about the "trash trump" threads. Some are pretty accurate, some are just dumb venting, from both parties and independents.
Just compare the thread count trash trump vs not trash trump. Let me know if you come up with a different figure than I did. Simple arithmetic.

You're about to get into my "red zone" insinuating things that isn't true.

Begin edit: Sorry Brer, you posted before I did, so it should be "The three posts above the BrerRabbit post".



Hey, I'm just, like, reading stuff and responding to it, ya know.

In your OP, the political bias is obvious...

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As we get closer to the election I see an uptic in the animosity shown to those who others think are Trump supporters.
Some have gone back to calling anyone who have some critical thoughts, and information, on the BLM movement and others calling for destruction of history iconography racists,
Some here are actually encouraging the destruction and looting of private property by not condemning those acts.
Some here are calling for action against imagined wrongs (the Bubba Wallace "noose" incident comes to mind).
Some here have tried to repress others from saying what they think and believe.


- Animosity towards anyone in political conversations is a given
- Some people are indeed racist, some are not. Statues aren't history, they're statues
- If you judge anyone by the things they don't do or say, you'll always be disappointed
- Definitely looked like a noose to me
- How do you repress anyone on an internet message board if you aren't a moderator?

The Hall of Fame Trolls gained their status by all of us that responded to them and fed them over the years. Once you really start focusing on ignoring them, it gets easier and easier over time. Just scroll on by.


Bhawk - 7/21/2020 at 01:42 AM

8:39pm Central out here on the Plains. Muggy as hell outside.
Dinner was sausage and rice with Crystal hot sauce.
Got home from work, had dinner, now back on the VPN doing more work.
Listening to 2nd Set and wondering why in the world they stopped playing Sailin' Cross The Devil's Sea during the later years. What a great Gregg song.


stormyrider - 7/21/2020 at 02:04 AM

10 PM
home alone
the wife is visiting her son on leave from military at her parents cabin on the lake (if you're wondering, he was in Iraq in January and DC in April). Tomorrow she will be seeing her GM for the 1st time since Xmas - limitations on visitors in the senior housing due to Covid. Thankfully no cases there
Ate dinner, made ice cream for when the stepson and GF visit later in the week. Now I'll hit the electric drums for a while (with headphones on, no noise for the neighbors), then crash.


nebish - 7/21/2020 at 02:25 AM

128 guests, I'm the only one logged in.

What's this thing we are doing here?

I ate an early dinner with my wife, she cooked salmon and some potatoes. She took some stuff to Goodwill and I was supposed to distance-visit an friend with early ALS, but he wasn't feeling good so we postponed. Went to Target, their mask mandate went into effect today, about a 1/3 of the customers in the store were not wearing masks. Inventory was not restocked from weekend shoppers. Wife watched some exhibition baseball, she went to bed and I put on the 2017 Jax-Pit AFC Playoff game for background. I wasted some time on ebay. Going to do some sit ups and push ups and off to bed.


Sang - 7/21/2020 at 03:11 AM

Watched a monster grand slam as the White Sox beat the Cubbies again tonight........


Jerry - 7/23/2020 at 04:36 PM

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128 guests, I'm the only one logged in.

What's this thing we are doing here?



Sometimes lately I even wonder if it's worth trying to keep the place up.

Then again, I'm retired and got plenty of time to get on when it's either too hot or too rainy to work in the vineyard.


Jerry - 7/23/2020 at 05:02 PM

Wooohooo, we got 4 registered users online right now.


OriginalGoober - 7/23/2020 at 05:23 PM

Checking in, usually reading and staying out of the discussions. Not interested in defending Trump all the time anymore either. I still think he will win re-election, because of the failure of the democrats to nominate a strong candidate and his pro-America economic policies. Other than that, its too ugly out there to share different opinions on sensitive topics.


Jerry - 7/23/2020 at 05:30 PM

Just went to the Guestbook. It's deader than the Whippin Post. No posts since July 4th.


MartinD28 - 7/23/2020 at 06:34 PM

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Checking in, usually reading and staying out of the discussions. Not interested in defending Trump all the time anymore either. I still think he will win re-election, because of the failure of the democrats to nominate a strong candidate and his pro-America economic policies. Other than that, its too ugly out there to share different opinions on sensitive topics.


The Charity Challenge says talk is cheap. Back your words. Easy to speak silly talk. Still giving 1.5 odds for you to take Trump, the great one for $100. Crickets?

I do agree with you - at this stage, defending Trump would be difficult.


Jerry - 7/23/2020 at 07:22 PM

We did it, and didn't even have to take two weeks. We've got 5 registered users on line.


OriginalGoober - 7/23/2020 at 10:53 PM

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Checking in, usually reading and staying out of the discussions. Not interested in defending Trump all the time anymore either. I still think he will win re-election, because of the failure of the democrats to nominate a strong candidate and his pro-America economic policies. Other than that, its too ugly out there to share different opinions on sensitive topics.


The Charity Challenge says talk is cheap. Back your words. Easy to speak silly talk. Still giving 1.5 odds for you to take Trump, the great one for $100. Crickets?

I do agree with you - at this stage, defending Trump would be difficult.


I'm gonna pass on this bet, only because I view 2020 thru a much darker and somber lens. Right now everyone is saying its Joes race to loose, but there is also this from the CATO Institute:

Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views Theyíre Afraid to Share
50% of strong liberals support firing Trump donors, 36% of strong conservatives support firing Biden donors; 32% are worried about missing out on job opportunities because of their political opinions

https://www.cato.org/publications/survey-reports/poll-62-americans-say-they -have-political-views-theyre-afraid-share


BIGV - 7/23/2020 at 10:57 PM

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Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views Theyíre Afraid to Share


If you put any faith in polls at all, this one says a lot.

I wonder why people would be afraid of wearing their MAGA hats?


Jerry - 7/24/2020 at 01:41 AM

Tonight we went into town and ate at Jim Shaw's. She had grilled catfish and scallops with a baked potato,I had fried catfish and butter peas with baked potato. Both of us started with a cup of clam chowder.


gina - 7/24/2020 at 01:54 AM

Reply to Big V

People will not wear MAGA hats due to violence from the opposing side.

As to the decreased number of users, there is censorship going on at Google now, and here also. There is so much going on and to come in this country. The country has been changed. There will be two more pandemics, bird flu [avian flu], and bacterial pneumonia. The financial crash-reboot will happen, forced vaccinations, etc.

Being ultra positive in times like this is like when they played happy music as people got off the trains to enter Auschwitz. The happy music did not change the events that were forthcoming.


nebish - 7/24/2020 at 01:57 AM

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Checking in, usually reading and staying out of the discussions. Not interested in defending Trump all the time anymore either. I still think he will win re-election, because of the failure of the democrats to nominate a strong candidate and his pro-America economic policies. Other than that, its too ugly out there to share different opinions on sensitive topics.


The Charity Challenge says talk is cheap. Back your words. Easy to speak silly talk. Still giving 1.5 odds for you to take Trump, the great one for $100. Crickets?

I do agree with you - at this stage, defending Trump would be difficult.


I'll bet, but I want odds. 2:1. Biden is already atleast -160/150 so he is favored.

I do not think Trump wins but I have been wrong often on wagers and won.

So you put up $200 and I put up $100. Biden wins, I donate $100. Trump wins you donate $200.


BIGV - 7/24/2020 at 02:21 AM

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Tonight we went into town and ate at Jim Shaw's. She had grilled catfish and scallops with a baked potato,I had fried catfish and butter peas with baked potato. Both of us started with a cup of clam chowder.


Manhattan or New England chowdah?


MartinD28 - 7/24/2020 at 11:17 AM

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Checking in, usually reading and staying out of the discussions. Not interested in defending Trump all the time anymore either. I still think he will win re-election, because of the failure of the democrats to nominate a strong candidate and his pro-America economic policies. Other than that, its too ugly out there to share different opinions on sensitive topics.


The Charity Challenge says talk is cheap. Back your words. Easy to speak silly talk. Still giving 1.5 odds for you to take Trump, the great one for $100. Crickets?

I do agree with you - at this stage, defending Trump would be difficult.


I'll bet, but I want odds. 2:1. Biden is already atleast -160/150 so he is favored.

I do not think Trump wins but I have been wrong often on wagers and won.

So you put up $200 and I put up $100. Biden wins, I donate $100. Trump wins you donate $200.


You get the same odds as offered to goob. You can decide whether to play or not. If you belive in Trump winning, then the odds shouldn't matter. If and when the algorithm changes, you'll be the first to know.


Pdouble - 7/24/2020 at 11:37 AM

I think it would help if the forum didnít log you out so often.


jszfunk - 7/24/2020 at 01:08 PM

I think things have been slowing down here for quite awhile. More so on AG and definitely since the ABB called it a day. Topics use to cycle in and out and back in at a pretty decent pace. Seems like it has gotten pretty stagnant lately though. Every once and awhile it will get a little busy , but not like it use to. The WP seems to see the most traffic due to the political climate of our country in the present day. I stay out of here for the most part for various reasons, unless I need a good laugh or some entertainment.

This really is my only form of social media that I use. Great people on here who have vast knowledge and interesting onions when it comes to music and other things. I enjoy being on here.
I do not really visit any other message boards as often as this one. Just some musical gear ones I will drift in and out of here and there.


Pdouble - 7/24/2020 at 01:56 PM

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I think things have been slowing down here for quite awhile. More so on AG and definitely since the ABB called it a day. Topics use to cycle in and out and back in at a pretty decent pace. Seems like it has gotten pretty stagnant lately though. Every once and awhile it will get a little busy , but not like it use to. The WP seems to see the most traffic due to the political climate of our country in the present day. I stay out of here for the most part for various reasons, unless I need a good laugh or some entertainment.

This really is my only form of social media that I use. Great people on here who have vast knowledge and interesting onions when it comes to music and other things. I enjoy being on here.
I do not really visit any other message boards as often as this one. Just some musical gear ones I will drift in and out of here and there.


Where are these interesting onions you mentioned? Now Iím hungry.


Bhawk - 7/24/2020 at 02:32 PM

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Checking in, usually reading and staying out of the discussions. Not interested in defending Trump all the time anymore either. I still think he will win re-election, because of the failure of the democrats to nominate a strong candidate and his pro-America economic policies. Other than that, its too ugly out there to share different opinions on sensitive topics.


The Charity Challenge says talk is cheap. Back your words. Easy to speak silly talk. Still giving 1.5 odds for you to take Trump, the great one for $100. Crickets?

I do agree with you - at this stage, defending Trump would be difficult.


I'm gonna pass on this bet, only because I view 2020 thru a much darker and somber lens. Right now everyone is saying its Joes race to loose, but there is also this from the CATO Institute:

Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views Theyíre Afraid to Share
50% of strong liberals support firing Trump donors, 36% of strong conservatives support firing Biden donors; 32% are worried about missing out on job opportunities because of their political opinions

https://www.cato.org/publications/survey-reports/poll-62-americans-say-they -have-political-views-theyre-afraid-share


People can share all the opinions they want. There's a Republican President, the GOP controls the Senate and SCOTUS has fresh GOP appointments.

People aren't scared of sharing their views, they're scared of owning them.


nebish - 7/24/2020 at 02:55 PM

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Checking in, usually reading and staying out of the discussions. Not interested in defending Trump all the time anymore either. I still think he will win re-election, because of the failure of the democrats to nominate a strong candidate and his pro-America economic policies. Other than that, its too ugly out there to share different opinions on sensitive topics.


The Charity Challenge says talk is cheap. Back your words. Easy to speak silly talk. Still giving 1.5 odds for you to take Trump, the great one for $100. Crickets?

I do agree with you - at this stage, defending Trump would be difficult.


I'll bet, but I want odds. 2:1. Biden is already atleast -160/150 so he is favored.

I do not think Trump wins but I have been wrong often on wagers and won.

So you put up $200 and I put up $100. Biden wins, I donate $100. Trump wins you donate $200.


You get the same odds as offered to goob. You can decide whether to play or not. If you belive in Trump winning, then the odds shouldn't matter. If and when the algorithm changes, you'll be the first to know.


I don't believe in him winning. I just like action on things and with no college football futures I guess I'm feeling a little dull at the moment. Betting on Trump winning is a dumb bet, but I've made dumb bets and sometimes they even win. But when I bet a dog I want odds in my favor.


MartinD28 - 7/24/2020 at 03:29 PM

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Checking in, usually reading and staying out of the discussions. Not interested in defending Trump all the time anymore either. I still think he will win re-election, because of the failure of the democrats to nominate a strong candidate and his pro-America economic policies. Other than that, its too ugly out there to share different opinions on sensitive topics.


The Charity Challenge says talk is cheap. Back your words. Easy to speak silly talk. Still giving 1.5 odds for you to take Trump, the great one for $100. Crickets?

I do agree with you - at this stage, defending Trump would be difficult.


I'll bet, but I want odds. 2:1. Biden is already atleast -160/150 so he is favored.

I do not think Trump wins but I have been wrong often on wagers and won.

So you put up $200 and I put up $100. Biden wins, I donate $100. Trump wins you donate $200.


You get the same odds as offered to goob. You can decide whether to play or not. If you belive in Trump winning, then the odds shouldn't matter. If and when the algorithm changes, you'll be the first to know.


I don't believe in him winning. I just like action on things and with no college football futures I guess I'm feeling a little dull at the moment. Betting on Trump winning is a dumb bet, but I've made dumb bets and sometimes they even win. But when I bet a dog I want odds in my favor.


I hope that we're going to have college football, but I have doubts on that more than on the election outcome. I could really enjoy college football this fall, but...we'll see. I did enjoy watching the Yankees & Nats last night before the rains came. I'm a liftime Yankee fan but haven't bet sports in 30 years. Betting on election outcomes is much easier.

Trump is a barking dog for the 1.5:1 odds. Maybe will change. On the Hillary bet I offered before, for new takers, I'll make that 10:1.


sckeys - 7/24/2020 at 11:51 PM

What are you hippies fighting about? Donít you all have weed gardens to tend to? I was just playing catch-up in this thread and those cagey posts are awfully familiar to me. Itís great to see everybody is doing well.


DOVETAIL - 7/25/2020 at 01:36 AM

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I think it would help if the forum didnít log you out so often.

I heartily agree!!!....If I had an option to 'Stay Logged in' I could more readily bounce around and perhaps find some exchanges that were not so narrowly circumscribed (music and otherwise!)


Jerry - 7/25/2020 at 01:41 AM

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Tonight we went into town and ate at Jim Shaw's. She had grilled catfish and scallops with a baked potato,I had fried catfish and butter peas with baked potato. Both of us started with a cup of clam chowder.


Manhattan or New England chowdah?


New England. They used to offer Manhattan until they tried out the New England on us. they never went back.


Jerry - 7/25/2020 at 01:44 AM

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I think it would help if the forum didnít log you out so often.

I heartily agree!!!....If I had an option to 'Stay Logged in' I could more readily bounce around and perhaps find some exchanges that were not so narrowly circumscribed (music and otherwise!)


Hey DOVETAIL, haven't seen you in a long time.

I can log on in the early morning and stay on all day, as long as I'm posting. Go dormant for about a half hour, logged out.


DOVETAIL - 7/25/2020 at 11:25 AM

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I think it would help if the forum didnít log you out so often.

I heartily agree!!!....If I had an option to 'Stay Logged in' I could more readily bounce around and perhaps find some exchanges that were not so narrowly circumscribed (music and otherwise!)


Hey DOVETAIL, haven't seen you in a long time.

I can log on in the early morning and stay on all day, as long as I'm posting. Go dormant for about a half hour, logged out.

"go dormant for about a half hour, logged out." That's the point-wish that would change!---how might we make it so?


Stephen - 7/25/2020 at 11:43 AM

Itís no big deal, it only takes a second to log in


DOVETAIL - 7/25/2020 at 03:28 PM

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Itís no big deal, it only takes a second to log in

Tell ya what, Stephen, you waste your time YOUR way and I won't waste my time MY way!?!


nebish - 7/26/2020 at 12:33 AM

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Trump is a barking dog for the 1.5:1 odds. Maybe will change. On the Hillary bet I offered before, for new takers, I'll make that 10:1.


You are offering market price. Which is fine and what I would do too. But if you really want action and you really have 'crickets' then you have to move the price. Odds are like a price with buyers and sellers. I don't have a ton of interest in backing Trump but if I can double my money on an incumbent vs a weak candidate - that I would take. Yes I know Trump is weak too. I definitely understand why you wouldn't want to over extend yourself...but we all know Trump is losing right? If that is the case why not offer 5:1 or hell 10:1? How confident are you a nation like him loses? Make it 2:1 with me and you have a bet. I'm good for it. Guarantee that.


nebish - 7/26/2020 at 12:40 AM

I'm on my phone and fail to proof read. So nation should be buffoon.

We can work details out in PM. I think the bet would be determined upon inauguration. We'd send each other a money order or cashiers check made out to the charity and the you or I would forward that to the organization.


BIGV - 7/26/2020 at 01:23 PM

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People aren't scared of sharing their views, they're scared of owning them


In sharing your views are you not in fact "Owning" them?...And who gets to make that distinction? I'll tell you who, the person sharing them "owns" them the minute he or she opens their mouth or puts them on paper and backs them up the instant he or she votes. Now since you are not privy to the way said person casts their ballot, I would say the above quote is well, meaningless.


MartinD28 - 7/26/2020 at 02:32 PM

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Trump is a barking dog for the 1.5:1 odds. Maybe will change. On the Hillary bet I offered before, for new takers, I'll make that 10:1.


You are offering market price. Which is fine and what I would do too. But if you really want action and you really have 'crickets' then you have to move the price. Odds are like a price with buyers and sellers. I don't have a ton of interest in backing Trump but if I can double my money on an incumbent vs a weak candidate - that I would take. Yes I know Trump is weak too. I definitely understand why you wouldn't want to over extend yourself...but we all know Trump is losing right? If that is the case why not offer 5:1 or hell 10:1? How confident are you a nation like him loses? Make it 2:1 with me and you have a bet. I'm good for it. Guarantee that.


OK, we can barter. I'll meet you in the middle - fair? Final offer 1.75:1.

I have no doubt you're good for it. You seem like a standup person, and I can assure you that if I lose, I will pay up & quickly.

You ask why not 5:1 or 10:1. Answer - if some freak situation happens between now and the election, and if Trump wins (God help this country), then I protect my downside and also give you more than the going market odds from first paragraph.


BIGV - 7/26/2020 at 02:49 PM

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if some freak situation happens between now and the election, and if Trump wins


Are you referencing the Democratic party allowing Joe Biden to take the debate stage and put his declining mental agility on the world stage?


nebish - 7/26/2020 at 07:49 PM

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Trump is a barking dog for the 1.5:1 odds. Maybe will change. On the Hillary bet I offered before, for new takers, I'll make that 10:1.


You are offering market price. Which is fine and what I would do too. But if you really want action and you really have 'crickets' then you have to move the price. Odds are like a price with buyers and sellers. I don't have a ton of interest in backing Trump but if I can double my money on an incumbent vs a weak candidate - that I would take. Yes I know Trump is weak too. I definitely understand why you wouldn't want to over extend yourself...but we all know Trump is losing right? If that is the case why not offer 5:1 or hell 10:1? How confident are you a nation like him loses? Make it 2:1 with me and you have a bet. I'm good for it. Guarantee that.


OK, we can barter. I'll meet you in the middle - fair? Final offer 1.75:1.

I have no doubt you're good for it. You seem like a standup person, and I can assure you that if I lose, I will pay up & quickly.

You ask why not 5:1 or 10:1. Answer - if some freak situation happens between now and the election, and if Trump wins (God help this country), then I protect my downside and also give you more than the going market odds from first paragraph.


OK deal.....

I'm thinking of Will Farrell in Anchorman when he jumped over the bear fence at the zoo.

Let's PM each other.

Just to be clear, Biden is inaugurated - you win. Trump is inaugurated - I win. If Trump loses and somebody else is inaugurated no bet - right?

I'm just taking the other side of the bet, I really doubt he will win and I will not be casting a vote for him. I do enjoy wagers in general and like engaging with members here like this so I am happy to do it.


MartinD28 - 7/26/2020 at 08:41 PM

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Trump is a barking dog for the 1.5:1 odds. Maybe will change. On the Hillary bet I offered before, for new takers, I'll make that 10:1.


You are offering market price. Which is fine and what I would do too. But if you really want action and you really have 'crickets' then you have to move the price. Odds are like a price with buyers and sellers. I don't have a ton of interest in backing Trump but if I can double my money on an incumbent vs a weak candidate - that I would take. Yes I know Trump is weak too. I definitely understand why you wouldn't want to over extend yourself...but we all know Trump is losing right? If that is the case why not offer 5:1 or hell 10:1? How confident are you a nation like him loses? Make it 2:1 with me and you have a bet. I'm good for it. Guarantee that.


OK, we can barter. I'll meet you in the middle - fair? Final offer 1.75:1.

I have no doubt you're good for it. You seem like a standup person, and I can assure you that if I lose, I will pay up & quickly.

You ask why not 5:1 or 10:1. Answer - if some freak situation happens between now and the election, and if Trump wins (God help this country), then I protect my downside and also give you more than the going market odds from first paragraph.


OK deal.....

I'm thinking of Will Farrell in Anchorman when he jumped over the bear fence at the zoo.

Let's PM each other.

Just to be clear, Biden is inaugurated - you win. Trump is inaugurated - I win. If Trump loses and somebody else is inaugurated no bet - right?

I'm just taking the other side of the bet, I really doubt he will win and I will not be casting a vote for him. I do enjoy wagers in general and like engaging with members here like this so I am happy to do it.


Ok. That's fine. I really was thinking that winning was election results and not the January inauguration event, but I'm more than happy to go that route.


nebish - 7/26/2020 at 08:47 PM

I anticipate a lot of noise and perhaps contesting of the results...so I said inauguration just to make sure it is official when we do the donation.


Bhawk - 7/27/2020 at 12:33 PM

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People aren't scared of sharing their views, they're scared of owning them


In sharing your views are you not in fact "Owning" them?...And who gets to make that distinction? I'll tell you who, the person sharing them "owns" them the minute he or she opens their mouth or puts them on paper and backs them up the instant he or she votes. Now since you are not privy to the way said person casts their ballot, I would say the above quote is well, meaningless.


You certainly traveled a long way to miss that point. You might want to get reimbursed for mileage.


porkchopbob - 7/27/2020 at 12:56 PM

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People aren't scared of sharing their views, they're scared of owning them

In sharing your views are you not in fact "Owning" them?...And who gets to make that distinction? I'll tell you who, the person sharing them "owns" them the minute he or she opens their mouth or puts them on paper and backs them up the instant he or she votes. Now since you are not privy to the way said person casts their ballot, I would say the above quote is well, meaningless.

You certainly traveled a long way to miss that point. You might want to get reimbursed for mileage.

Yeah, that's the exact opposite of "owning" views.


BIGV - 7/27/2020 at 02:01 PM

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People aren't scared of sharing their views, they're scared of owning them

In sharing your views are you not in fact "Owning" them?...And who gets to make that distinction? I'll tell you who, the person sharing them "owns" them the minute he or she opens their mouth or puts them on paper and backs them up the instant he or she votes. Now since you are not privy to the way said person casts their ballot, I would say the above quote is well, meaningless.

You certainly traveled a long way to miss that point. You might want to get reimbursed for mileage.

Yeah, that's the exact opposite of "owning" views.


Yeah. I can not even begin to express the sorrow I currently feel and my inability see things the way you do on a regular basis....

I will be owning my views at the ballot box.


porkchopbob - 7/27/2020 at 02:59 PM

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Yeah. I can not even begin to express the sorrow I currently feel and my inability see things the way you do on a regular basis....

I will be owning my views at the ballot box.

Jolly for you. Just saying, Bhakw's specific point was being able to defend your views, you don't get to re-define what he obviously meant. Voting is great, everyone should do it, but stating what you believe is not the same as defending why.


BIGV - 7/27/2020 at 03:11 PM

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Yeah. I can not even begin to express the sorrow I currently feel and my inability see things the way you do on a regular basis....

I will be owning my views at the ballot box.

Jolly for you. Just saying, Bhakw's specific point was being able to defend your views, you don't get to re-define what he obviously meant. Voting is great, everyone should do it, but stating what you believe is not the same as defending why.


Defend my views to whom?...Why?....I owe NO ONE an explanation for anything, particularly in this liberal bastion.


porkchopbob - 7/27/2020 at 03:14 PM

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Yeah. I can not even begin to express the sorrow I currently feel and my inability see things the way you do on a regular basis....

I will be owning my views at the ballot box.

Jolly for you. Just saying, Bhakw's specific point was being able to defend your views, you don't get to re-define what he obviously meant. Voting is great, everyone should do it, but stating what you believe is not the same as defending why.


Defend my views to whom?...Why?....I owe NO ONE an explanation for anything, particularly in this liberal bastion.

No one said you owe it - also not the point - but why show up here and discuss your views every day?


BIGV - 7/27/2020 at 03:34 PM

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Some here are actually encouraging the destruction and looting of private property by not condemning those acts.


While I do not agree that keeping silent concerning any issue is showing support, I will throw this out there, it's OK for the left to use this same tactic when asking why people do not speak out against the President when criticizing Joe Biden. See, in the world of the Liberal, there are only two ways to view things, their way or the wrong way and to speak out against this philosophy demands an explanation.

There is no such thing as a simple disagreement. Any further dispute warrants a label.


BIGV - 7/27/2020 at 03:35 PM

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Yeah. I can not even begin to express the sorrow I currently feel and my inability see things the way you do on a regular basis....

I will be owning my views at the ballot box.

Jolly for you. Just saying, Bhakw's specific point was being able to defend your views, you don't get to re-define what he obviously meant. Voting is great, everyone should do it, but stating what you believe is not the same as defending why.


Defend my views to whom?...Why?....I owe NO ONE an explanation for anything, particularly in this liberal bastion.

No one said you owe it - also not the point - but why show up here and discuss your views every day?


I am this forum to state my views, how you handle that or respond is solely on you.


Bhawk - 7/27/2020 at 03:42 PM

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People aren't scared of sharing their views, they're scared of owning them

In sharing your views are you not in fact "Owning" them?...And who gets to make that distinction? I'll tell you who, the person sharing them "owns" them the minute he or she opens their mouth or puts them on paper and backs them up the instant he or she votes. Now since you are not privy to the way said person casts their ballot, I would say the above quote is well, meaningless.

You certainly traveled a long way to miss that point. You might want to get reimbursed for mileage.

Yeah, that's the exact opposite of "owning" views.


Yeah. I can not even begin to express the sorrow I currently feel and my inability see things the way you do on a regular basis....

I will be owning my views at the ballot box.


My comment was in response to this, and this alone.

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Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views Theyíre Afraid to Share


I think there's a deeper point to be made and an independent discussion to be had on that. Oh well.

I don't care what your opinions are as far as you agreeing or not agreeing with me or anyone else, who you vote for, whatever. Get on with your bad self.

You go on and on about not being able to discuss things and getting chased and insulted by people, then people try and have a decent conversation and you tell us all you don't care what we think anyway and our own thoughts and opinions are meaningless.

So weird.


porkchopbob - 7/27/2020 at 03:58 PM

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I am this forum to state my views, how you handle that or respond is solely on you.

Yeah, that's great, but then don't get all butt hurt when people disagree with you. This is a political discussion, this isn't the voting booth. Bhawk's whole point was be prepared to defend your view, i.e., "own" them. You're just stomping your feet and kicking dirt.


piacere - 7/27/2020 at 05:03 PM

I just read that Cato Institute article. The very last sentence pretty much sums things up nice 'n' tidy.

Speaking of registered users, got a few on now. People ducking out of the heat I guess.


Bhawk - 7/27/2020 at 05:54 PM

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I am this forum


LOL, sure seems that way sometimes !


Ya, I don't think that was a typo.


Bhawk - 7/27/2020 at 05:55 PM

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Some here are actually encouraging the destruction and looting of private property by not condemning those acts.


While I do not agree that keeping silent concerning any issue is showing support, I will throw this out there, it's OK for the left to use this same tactic when asking why people do not speak out against the President when criticizing Joe Biden. See, in the world of the Liberal, there are only two ways to view things, their way or the wrong way and to speak out against this philosophy demands an explanation.

There is no such thing as a simple disagreement. Any further dispute warrants a label.


"Why doesn't he/she repudiate it, then?" is a common bipartisan tactic used by everyone in politics going back for decades. "WHY WON'T OBAMA REPUDIATE BILL AYERS?" comes to mind.

I know the leftist-as-boogeyman narrative is one you are dedicated to, but that dog don't hunt in this case.

I could have dismissed your post as meaningless, but even with me being a hated leftist and all, I might just respect you more than you respect me. Who knows.


MartinD28 - 7/27/2020 at 06:11 PM

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I am this forum


LOL, sure seems that way sometimes !


Yep.

And the rest of liberals...proudly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8_FOQ7-P30


piacere - 7/27/2020 at 06:50 PM

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I am this forum


LOL, sure seems that way sometimes !


Yep.

And the rest of liberals...proudly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8_FOQ7-P30


Hang on a minute, brother.

Speak for yourself.

What makes you proud to be a liberal?


Jerry - 7/28/2020 at 12:05 AM

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Speaking of registered users, got a few on now. People ducking out of the heat I guess.


Yeah, right now we've got 5!


gina - 7/28/2020 at 01:11 AM

Maybe people should try to stop by at least a couple of times a week. If they don't like some threads, put up others.

I myself am considering how I want to proceed, with the terrorism, foreign and domestic policy news. Terrorism is the least of our problems nowadays. I want to incorporate prophecy into news but we are also on the verge of many changes in this country, but those are hot issues, and some people do not want to hear about prophecy but it is relevant. It's sad that Doug Mackenzie stopped his Shelter from the storm thread. I have to mull it over.




gina - 7/28/2020 at 01:12 AM

Maybe people should try to stop by at least a couple of times a week. If they don't like some threads, put up others.

I myself am considering how I want to proceed, with the terrorism, foreign and domestic policy news. Terrorism is the least of our problems nowadays. I want to incorporate prophecy into news but we are also on the verge of many changes in this country, but those are hot issues, and some people do not want to hear about prophecy but it is relevant. It's sad that Doug Mackenzie stopped his Shelter from the storm thread. I have to mull it over.




Stephen - 7/28/2020 at 02:18 AM

As Iíve mentioned b4 I like the threads about the prophecies & associated phenomena, & hope that youíll continue to share the info & links - us in the know realize their relevance - weíre more cosmically connected than most

Yes in addition to Dougís, bigannís Daily OMs was also a tremendous thread - the heroes faves & legends thread rocked also


BIGV - 7/28/2020 at 03:27 PM

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Yeah, that's the exact opposite of "owning" views.


Can you express a more complete way of "owning" a view or a thought than backing it up with your vote?

You can debate it all you want. Communicate it, discuss it, argue it, all just words. But when you cast a ballot that matches your conscience, that is the epitome of having owned it.


porkchopbob - 7/28/2020 at 03:47 PM

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Can you express a more complete way of "owning" a view or a thought than backing it up with your vote?

Geez, V, asked and answered. And then re-explained again. If you misunderstood Bhawk's meaning the first time, fine, but if you can't wrap your head around what was clearly his intent, you're just being purposefully obtuse.


BIGV - 7/28/2020 at 03:51 PM

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Can you express a more complete way of "owning" a view or a thought than backing it up with your vote?

Geez, V, asked and answered. And then re-explained again. If you misunderstood Bhawk's meaning the first time, fine, but if you can't wrap your head around what was clearly his intent, you're just being purposefully obtuse.


Fair enough, stalemate.


Jerry - 7/28/2020 at 11:44 PM

Only 2 registered online right now. Soon to be 1 since I'll be watching the Braves.


Jerry - 7/31/2020 at 03:05 PM

Woooo, got 5 on line right now.
Does seem like a lot fewer posts are being made though.


Jerry - 8/2/2020 at 03:11 PM

got 3 on a Sunday morning.


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