Thread: 2020 Presidential Ballot

Rusty - 7/6/2020 at 01:00 PM

$hit Sandwich
Diarrhea Milkshake
Kanye

The answer to the question, "Why doesn't Trump leave Neil Young and Tom Petty alone and just have his puppet, Kanye West write his campaign theme?" has apparently been answered. Does Kanye want his boss's gig or has bossman simply instructed Kanye to get out there and take the "black vote" from the Democrats?


Bhawk - 7/6/2020 at 01:39 PM

Kanye gonna Kanye.

He's too late to get on the ballot in six states, three of those being Texas, New York and Illinois.

It's just more noise.


nebish - 7/6/2020 at 01:57 PM

Who Kim gonna vote for now?

Thought Kanye was a big Trump guy...it makes you wonder after 3+ years if people haven't left Trump's side by now, what would make them do it all of a sudden? It's just one big continuation of Trumpness with varied degrees of idiocy and recklessness, who decides now "ok, now that is enough, I've had it". Guess there is no trying to understand Kanye, so why try.


BIGV - 7/6/2020 at 02:42 PM

2020 Presidential Ballot

I doubt there will be any Presidential debates this election year. It's enough for the Democratic leadership to have Joe as their candidate on the ballot without including the populace in that decision. The last thing they want or need is he having to think on the fly in front of the same millions of voters who had zero to say about his being the nominee.


MartinD28 - 7/6/2020 at 04:12 PM

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Who Kim gonna vote for now?

Thought Kanye was a big Trump guy...it makes you wonder after 3+ years if people haven't left Trump's side by now, what would make them do it all of a sudden? It's just one big continuation of Trumpness with varied degrees of idiocy and recklessness, who decides now "ok, now that is enough, I've had it". Guess there is no trying to understand Kanye, so why try.


Which of the Kardashians will take Ivanka's place as senior advisor to the prez? Prez Kanye has a nice ring to it.


pops42 - 7/6/2020 at 08:49 PM

There are 2 types of trump voter: Idiots and Billionaires. check your bank accounts to see which one you are.


Rusty - 7/6/2020 at 08:57 PM

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There are 2 types of trump voter: Idiots and Billionaires. check your bank accounts to see which one you are.


Troodat! But only because there's no middle class!

[Edited on 7/6/2020 by Rusty]


Sang - 7/6/2020 at 09:46 PM

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There are 2 types of trump voter: Idiots and Billionaires. check your bank accounts to see which one you are.


Troodat! But only because there's no middle class!

[Edited on 7/6/2020 by Rusty]


Thanks to Reagan, Bush, and Trump trickle down.... that giant whoosing sound is all the money being sucked up by the top 3-7 billionaires....


Jerry - 7/6/2020 at 11:35 PM

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There are 2 types of trump voter: Idiots and Billionaires. check your bank accounts to see which one you are.


Well, I'm not a millionaire, nor am I an idiot. I guess that makes me the third type of Trump voter.

The one that can't vote for a gun grabbing, senile, bumbling, can't remember where he is, doesn't know what he's talking about, encourages unlawful actions, almost forgot-has racist views and comments in his history, and has been accused of sexual assault.

At least Trump isn't a gun grabber.


pops42 - 7/6/2020 at 11:49 PM

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There are 2 types of trump voter: Idiots and Billionaires. check your bank accounts to see which one you are.


Well, I'm not a millionaire, nor am I an idiot. I guess that makes me the third type of Trump voter.

The one that can't vote for a gun grabbing, senile, bumbling, can't remember where he is, doesn't know what he's talking about, encourages unlawful actions, almost forgot-has racist views and comments in his history, and has been accused of sexual assault.

At least Trump isn't a gun grabber.
More falsehoods from you.


Jerry - 7/6/2020 at 11:59 PM

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There are 2 types of trump voter: Idiots and Billionaires. check your bank accounts to see which one you are.


Well, I'm not a millionaire, nor am I an idiot. I guess that makes me the third type of Trump voter.

The one that can't vote for a gun grabbing, senile, bumbling, can't remember where he is, doesn't know what he's talking about, encourages unlawful actions, almost forgot-has racist views and comments in his history, and has been accused of sexual assault.

At least Trump isn't a gun grabber.
More falsehoods from you.


Prove it!


pops42 - 7/7/2020 at 12:27 AM

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There are 2 types of trump voter: Idiots and Billionaires. check your bank accounts to see which one you are.


Well, I'm not a millionaire, nor am I an idiot. I guess that makes me the third type of Trump voter.

The one that can't vote for a gun grabbing, senile, bumbling, can't remember where he is, doesn't know what he's talking about, encourages unlawful actions, almost forgot-has racist views and comments in his history, and has been accused of sexual assault.

At least Trump isn't a gun grabber.
More falsehoods from you.


Prove it!
YOU tell me 1 instance of Biden grabbing your guns??, you are easily led.


gina - 7/7/2020 at 12:34 AM

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There are 2 types of trump voter: Idiots and Billionaires. check your bank accounts to see which one you are.


Why are we all in the Twilight Zone?


pops42 - 7/7/2020 at 12:56 AM

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There are 2 types of trump voter: Idiots and Billionaires. check your bank accounts to see which one you are.


Why are we all in the Twilight Zone?
Just you.


nebish - 7/7/2020 at 01:06 AM

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There are 2 types of trump voter: Idiots and Billionaires. check your bank accounts to see which one you are.


Troodat! But only because there's no middle class!

[Edited on 7/6/2020 by Rusty]


Thanks to Reagan, Bush, and Trump trickle down.... that giant whoosing sound is all the money being sucked up by the top 3-7 billionaires....


Then there is the giant sucking sound (Ross Perot) of the middle class jobs leaving. The scars of free trade are bipartisan.


Jerry - 7/7/2020 at 02:53 AM

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There are 2 types of trump voter: Idiots and Billionaires. check your bank accounts to see which one you are.


Well, I'm not a millionaire, nor am I an idiot. I guess that makes me the third type of Trump voter.

The one that can't vote for a gun grabbing, senile, bumbling, can't remember where he is, doesn't know what he's talking about, encourages unlawful actions, almost forgot-has racist views and comments in his history, and has been accused of sexual assault.

At least Trump isn't a gun grabber.
More falsehoods from you.


Prove it!
YOU tell me 1 instance of Biden grabbing your guns??, you are easily led.


https://theminnesotasun.com/2020/03/12/commentary-joe-biden-is-full-of-it-h e-is-coming-for-your-guns/
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/22/joe-biden-planning-a-wave-of-oppres sive-new-gun-regulations-911892

Need more?, Just go to his website and check out his proposed firearm legislation.


Jerry - 7/7/2020 at 02:55 AM

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There are 2 types of trump voter: Idiots and Billionaires. check your bank accounts to see which one you are.


Well, I'm not a millionaire, nor am I an idiot. I guess that makes me the third type of Trump voter.

The one that can't vote for a gun grabbing, senile, bumbling, can't remember where he is, doesn't know what he's talking about, encourages unlawful actions, almost forgot-has racist views and comments in his history, and has been accused of sexual assault.

At least Trump isn't a gun grabber.
More falsehoods from you.


Prove it!
YOU tell me 1 instance of Biden grabbing your guns??, you are easily led.


This means you agree he is all the other things I posted,right?


adhill58 - 7/7/2020 at 04:32 AM

Jerry, I will legitimately make a wager with you for $1,000.

If you have to turn in a gun that you own today before the end of Biden’s presidency, I will pay up. If not, you send me the money and admit to InfoWars-fueled paranoia. Deal?


BIGV - 7/7/2020 at 05:56 AM

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Jerry, I will legitimately make a wager with you for $1,000.

If you have to turn in a gun that you own today before the end of Biden’s presidency, I will pay up. If not, you send me the money and admit to InfoWars-fueled paranoia. Deal?


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Biden’s presidency


Are we counting on the same polls that had Hillary winning in a landslide?

How much would you like to wager that the "leadership" of the Democratic party will do everything in its power to keep old Joe off the debate stage? I think we'll hear every excuse known to man..."Joe is under the weather"..."Joe has laryngitis"....."Joe has other commitments at this time"


Jerry - 7/7/2020 at 06:58 PM

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Jerry, I will legitimately make a wager with you for $1,000.

If you have to turn in a gun that you own today before the end of Biden’s presidency, I will pay up. If not, you send me the money and admit to InfoWars-fueled paranoia. Deal?


You don't believe Biden will get legislation passed for forced buy backs? Or to get semi-auto firearms (no mention of which ones) classified under the NFA?
Sorry, if he does, I'd lose more than $1,00. A custom built AR-15 costs more than that. My pistols cost at least that much.
Also, I can't admit anything about Infowars since I don't even go to that site.
Went once, saw the crazy, left never to return.

Here's what ones I like sell for:

gunsamerica.com/968526744/JP-ENTERPRISE-CUSTOM-CTR-02-IN-22.htm


BIGV - 7/7/2020 at 07:02 PM

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Sorry, if he does, I'd lose more than $1,00. A custom built AR-15 costs more than that. My pistols cost at least that much.


Stage a break-in of your garage and report it stolen


adhill58 - 7/7/2020 at 08:21 PM

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Jerry, I will legitimately make a wager with you for $1,000.

If you have to turn in a gun that you own today before the end of Biden’s presidency, I will pay up. If not, you send me the money and admit to InfoWars-fueled paranoia. Deal?


You don't believe Biden will get legislation passed for forced buy backs? Or to get semi-auto firearms (no mention of which ones) classified under the NFA?
Sorry, if he does, I'd lose more than $1,00. A custom built AR-15 costs more than that. My pistols cost at least that much.
Also, I can't admit anything about Infowars since I don't even go to that site.
Went once, saw the crazy, left never to return.

Here's what ones I like sell for:

gunsamerica.com/968526744/JP-ENTERPRISE-CUSTOM-CTR-02-IN-22.htm


No, I do not think guns will be confiscated from anyone if Biden becomes president. The same people filling people's heads with that lie did it when Obama was president and nothing happened.

Well. nothing other than gun sellers making record profits selling overpriced guns to suckers.

Why didn't Obama take your precious guns when he had the chance? If Biden can get an assault-weapon ban like the one we had previously, that does not mean that any "Billy Bad-Ass" will have to surrender a gun that they already own.

Sorry, I can't click on that link. I have as much interest in knowing what gun fetishes someone has as I do in knowing what kind of sex fetishes they have. Keep it to yourself.


Jerry - 7/8/2020 at 04:03 AM

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Jerry, I will legitimately make a wager with you for $1,000.

If you have to turn in a gun that you own today before the end of Biden’s presidency, I will pay up. If not, you send me the money and admit to InfoWars-fueled paranoia. Deal?


You don't believe Biden will get legislation passed for forced buy backs? Or to get semi-auto firearms (no mention of which ones) classified under the NFA?
Sorry, if he does, I'd lose more than $1,00. A custom built AR-15 costs more than that. My pistols cost at least that much.
Also, I can't admit anything about Infowars since I don't even go to that site.
Went once, saw the crazy, left never to return.

Here's what ones I like sell for:

gunsamerica.com/968526744/JP-ENTERPRISE-CUSTOM-CTR-02-IN-22.htm


No, I do not think guns will be confiscated from anyone if Biden becomes president. The same people filling people's heads with that lie did it when Obama was president and nothing happened.

Well. nothing other than gun sellers making record profits selling overpriced guns to suckers.

Why didn't Obama take your precious guns when he had the chance? If Biden can get an assault-weapon ban like the one we had previously, that does not mean that any "Billy Bad-Ass" will have to surrender a gun that they already own.

Sorry, I can't click on that link. I have as much interest in knowing what gun fetishes someone has as I do in knowing what kind of sex fetishes they have. Keep it to yourself.




You still haven't read his campaign web site have you?
I never said anything about confiscation, so your attempt to deflect the conversation failed.
Biden wants to enact forced "buy backs" of the "firearm we don't want you to have of the month".
Semi-auto firearms to be classified as NFA items (re-classified as machine guns) is something else he wants to do. You notice it says "firearms" right.
He wants to re-instate the semi-auto (so called "assault weapons") rifle ban of the Obama era. It has already been proven by several studies that the ban didn't work. Why would he want to re-introduce a law that didn't work the first time.
BIDEN'S website is where I got the information. You might want to go there and read it before you pontificate on what will not happen.


adhill58 - 7/8/2020 at 01:19 PM

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You still haven't read his campaign web site have you?
I never said anything about confiscation, so your attempt to deflect the conversation failed.
Biden wants to enact forced "buy backs" of the "firearm we don't want you to have of the month".
Semi-auto firearms to be classified as NFA items (re-classified as machine guns) is something else he wants to do. You notice it says "firearms" right.
He wants to re-instate the semi-auto (so called "assault weapons") rifle ban of the Obama era. It has already been proven by several studies that the ban didn't work. Why would he want to re-introduce a law that didn't work the first time.
BIDEN'S website is where I got the information. You might want to go there and read it before you pontificate on what will not happen.




Biden website: "Biden will also institute a program to buy back weapons of war currently on our streets. This will give individuals who now possess assault weapons or high-capacity magazines two options: sell the weapons to the government, or register them under the National Firearms Act."

This is not a "forced buy back" as you called it, if you have an option to register it and keep it. How is that so hard to grasp? If Biden is telling people they have the option to keep (upon registering) their "assault weapons", it would make it hard to define him as a "gun grabber".

Also, the assault weapons ban went from 1994 to 2004. How is that the Obama era?

1.The gun lobby tells people they need to be scared of Democrats taking their guns or ability to buy guns at every election.
2. Suckers believe the lies.
3. Suckers go out and panic-buy guns in case a Democrat gets elected.
4. Gun manufacturers get windfalls of cash and share it with their lobbyists and Republican campaigns.
5. If Republicans get elected, they make minor changes to gun laws that make everyone less safe but to show the suckers that they are protecting their "freedoms". If a Democrats get elected they make minor changes to gun laws that don't make anyone really safer, but they can tell their people the are trying to do something about gun violence.
6. Nothing changes and murder rates stay high in cities and kids get murdered while they are at school or the grocery store. A few "responsible gun owners" become mass shooters very month.

This is the system you want to protect, right?


BIGV - 7/8/2020 at 05:41 PM

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You still haven't read his campaign web site have you?
I never said anything about confiscation, so your attempt to deflect the conversation failed.
Biden wants to enact forced "buy backs" of the "firearm we don't want you to have of the month".
Semi-auto firearms to be classified as NFA items (re-classified as machine guns) is something else he wants to do. You notice it says "firearms" right.
He wants to re-instate the semi-auto (so called "assault weapons") rifle ban of the Obama era. It has already been proven by several studies that the ban didn't work. Why would he want to re-introduce a law that didn't work the first time.
BIDEN'S website is where I got the information. You might want to go there and read it before you pontificate on what will not happen.




Biden website: "Biden will also institute a program to buy back weapons of war currently on our streets. This will give individuals who now possess assault weapons or high-capacity magazines two options: sell the weapons to the government, or register them under the National Firearms Act."

This is not a "forced buy back" as you called it, if you have an option to register it and keep it. How is that so hard to grasp? If Biden is telling people they have the option to keep (upon registering) their "assault weapons", it would make it hard to define him as a "gun grabber".

Also, the assault weapons ban went from 1994 to 2004. How is that the Obama era?

1.The gun lobby tells people they need to be scared of Democrats taking their guns or ability to buy guns at every election.
2. Suckers believe the lies.
3. Suckers go out and panic-buy guns in case a Democrat gets elected.
4. Gun manufacturers get windfalls of cash and share it with their lobbyists and Republican campaigns.
5. If Republicans get elected, they make minor changes to gun laws that make everyone less safe but to show the suckers that they are protecting their "freedoms". If a Democrats get elected they make minor changes to gun laws that don't make anyone really safer, but they can tell their people the are trying to do something about gun violence.
6. Nothing changes and murder rates stay high in cities and kids get murdered while they are at school or the grocery store. A few "responsible gun owners" become mass shooters very month.

This is the system you want to protect, right?


Me?..I do. The system is fine and is protected by the Constitution. Something in this country has to change for sure...You believe it to be the availability of guns. I believe it is the way children are raised and the lack of attention placed on mental health issues.


adhill58 - 7/9/2020 at 05:06 AM

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Me?..I do. The system is fine and is protected by the Constitution. Something in this country has to change for sure...You believe it to be the availability of guns. I believe it is the way children are raised and the lack of attention placed on mental health issues.


Democrats will address availability of guns and the lack of attention placed on mental health issues. Republicans will address neither. And, hopefully children will be raised in the gleaming example of personal responsibility and civility that is Donald Trump, right?

Also, a system that creates dozens to hundreds of mass shootings each year is not “fine”.


BIGV - 7/9/2020 at 05:58 AM

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Also, a system that creates dozens to hundreds of mass shootings each year is not “fine”.


Merely as a point of clarification the FBI defines a "Mass shooting" of 4 or more who've been wounded....

And I believe the "System" has created nothing. Poor parenting and the inability to recognize mental health issues in minors is what needs to be addressed...


adhill58 - 7/9/2020 at 01:02 PM

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The one that can't vote for a gun grabbing, senile, bumbling, can't remember where he is, doesn't know what he's talking about, encourages unlawful actions, almost forgot-has racist views and comments in his history, and has been accused of sexual assault.

At least Trump isn't a gun grabber.


Trump is THE p*ssy grabber. He brags about sexual assault. Everything else you accuse Biden of applies to Trump except the gun issue. The Republicans have the gun fans hook, line, and sinker. Millions are in their pocket over one issue.


Jerry - 7/9/2020 at 01:40 PM

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The one that can't vote for a gun grabbing, senile, bumbling, can't remember where he is, doesn't know what he's talking about, encourages unlawful actions, almost forgot-has racist views and comments in his history, and has been accused of sexual assault.

At least Trump isn't a gun grabber.


Trump is THE p*ssy grabber. He brags about sexual assault. Everything else you accuse Biden of applies to Trump except the gun issue. The Republicans have the gun fans hook, line, and sinker. Millions are in their pocket over one issue.


Aaaaaannnnnnnnndddddddddddd, you didn't read the last line of my post?


Rusty - 7/9/2020 at 02:22 PM

I have equal disdain for Republicans and Democrats. Personally, I feel that it's time to just get rid of this archaic two party system. This can only happen if the press begins to give some column space to independents - which ain't never gonna happen.

I say that so that I can say this: Trump's moniker of "Pu$$y Grabber" came about via an "off the record" comment that he made to a slimy, sleazy excuse for a journalist. He actually said (words to the effect) that a celebrity could walk up and grab a woman by her privates and get away with it. He did not say that he had done such a thing personally (he might very well have - I'd never know).

Okay, not too long after this, there were several instances of women coming forward with stories about their having been sexually assaulted by important male figures. In some cases, years had passed. When I wondered out-loud why gymnasts from the U.S. Olympic team came forward after years of being silent - I was told that I shouldn't judge them. I was told that ANY woman that made such allegations DESERVED and MUST BE listened to and taken seriously. I apologized profusely for my chauvinistic attitudes and ways - and promised to atone.

Then, a woman steps up and calls out Joe Biden - who (according to her) went a lot further than just talking about pu$$y grabbing. This woman has produced (what this former chauvinist would accept as) viable proof of her story. She has a Larry King Live clip of a woman who seems very likely to be her mother stating the case to the show host. She also produced at least 4 other witnesses who remember her telling her story at the time.

Why wasn't this woman afforded the same, across the board trust and belief that we are supposed to give to ALL WOMEN who make these claims? The deafening silence was drowned out only by the opinions of those who really want to see Joe Biden slide though this unscathed.

$hit sandwich - diarrhea milkshake - Kanye West.

If I vote my heart, my conscience and my desire - I will write in a candidate name. There is no way in Hell I'll ever vote for Trump for anything! A vote from me for Biden should never be confused with trust, admiration, or confidence in him. This will strictly be nothing more than another choice between two evils. A Biden victory will represent little more than crawling out of the fire and back into the frying pan.

If I had the money and the science was solid enough - I'd opt to be cryogenically frozen for the next 4 years.

Peace and love, y'all.

R


cyclone88 - 7/9/2020 at 02:53 PM

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I doubt there will be any Presidential debates this election year.


I hope there aren't any. They're a waste of time & provide no new information for voters. I think the acceptance speeches - if they are anything more than puffery - give the nominees the best opportunity for them to articulate why they should be president & what, if any, plans they have.


cyclone88 - 7/9/2020 at 03:01 PM

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Thought Kanye was a big Trump guy...it makes you wonder after 3+ years if people haven't left Trump's side by now, what would make them do it all of a sudden? It's just one big continuation of Trumpness with varied degrees of idiocy and recklessness, who decides now "ok, now that is enough, I've had it". Guess there is no trying to understand Kanye, so why try.


Which of the Kardashians will take Ivanka's place as senior advisor to the prez? Prez Kanye has a nice ring to it.


I think Kanye - always ready for an opportunity - thought a black guy running in the midst of the worst racial unrest since the 1960s might be a good idea for about 5 minutes. Doesn't mean he's dumping Trump.

Kanye would have so many choices for advisers starting w/his sister-in-law model/influencer Kylie Jenner the youngest self-made billionaire ever to make the Forbes list going all to way to his step-mother-in-law trans Caitlin Jenner. Maybe 2024.


LUKE - 7/12/2020 at 05:11 PM

Come on man, i need a good laugh. Bring on Micheal Obama as VP side kick, and watch the herd soil their britches in buttercup excitement. And GOD forbid he win's ,fall's out and Micheal take's over and brings on Killary. The sheep will lose their mind's.
So have any here stopped buying those slime bag Goya product's? I mean man what a douche bag low life that CEO is. To have the nerve to say he like's, support's and prays for our president. As that Bad Seed kid with climate change say's, HOW DARE HE!!!!


BIGV - 7/13/2020 at 04:46 AM

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Trump is THE p*ssy grabber. He brags about sexual assault


Too funny!

Tara Reade


porkchopbob - 7/13/2020 at 09:39 PM

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Goya makes Latino food products like canned beans, tortillas, spices, etc. Their CEO is pro-Trump and the MAGA crowd is doing a reverse boycott and buying foods they never heard of.


porkchopbob - 7/13/2020 at 10:08 PM

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^ Ah so, thx for clarifying. I recall the logo now white letters on a red field I think. Didn't realize it was Hispanic however - here in whitebread Oregon the Hispanics have their own stores and subculture.

So the Redhats eating lots of frijoles now I take it? At least they will be farting out the right end for a change!

A former band-mate of mine is a MAGA "Democrats hate America" dude and he's been posting how much he loves beans this week. Goya has always been on the supermarket shelves where I've lived, but it's kind of entertaining watching the MAGA crowd discover exotic canned Frijoles like it's dragon fruit or something.


MartinD28 - 7/13/2020 at 10:13 PM

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^ Ah so, thx for clarifying. I recall the logo now white letters on a red field I think. Didn't realize it was Hispanic however - here in whitebread Oregon the Hispanics have their own stores and subculture.

So the Redhats eating lots of frijoles now I take it? At least they will be farting out the right end for a change!

A former band-mate of mine is a MAGA "Democrats hate America" dude and he's been posting how much he loves beans this week. Goya has always been on the supermarket shelves where I've lived, but it's kind of entertaining watching the MAGA crowd discover exotic canned Frijoles like it's dragon fruit or something.


Stay tuned - next thing Russian Don will tell us is that Goya products can make Covid disappear. Guess the Frijoles will replace Lysol as a miracle cure.


BIGV - 7/14/2020 at 01:11 AM

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I doubt there will be any Presidential debates this election year.


I hope there aren't any.


Oh man, I could not hope more for the comedy show that Joe Biden speaking "live" could provide...

The Democrats have got to be out of their minds for thinking this man can lead anyone or anything. A complete well thought out sentence is a minor miracle....


adhill58 - 7/14/2020 at 04:09 AM

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I doubt there will be any Presidential debates this election year.


I hope there aren't any.


Oh man, I could not hope more for the comedy show that Joe Biden speaking "live" could provide...

The Democrats have got to be out of their minds for thinking this man can lead anyone or anything. A complete well thought out sentence is a minor miracle....


Literally, "I know you are, but what am I?". Trump just aced that cognitive test, right? He's never failed at anything, right?


BIGV - 7/14/2020 at 04:15 AM

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I doubt there will be any Presidential debates this election year.


I hope there aren't any.


Oh man, I could not hope more for the comedy show that Joe Biden speaking "live" could provide...

The Democrats have got to be out of their minds for thinking this man can lead anyone or anything. A complete well thought out sentence is a minor miracle....


Literally, "I know you are, but what am I?". Trump just aced that cognitive test, right? He's never failed at anything, right?


Literally, your defense of Joe Biden is the criticism of President Trump?

The ultimate in "Neener, neener"......Joe Biden's task is to prove he can do the job BETTER and your vote says you believe he can. Try defending your candidate for once instead of finding fault in the other.

I challenge you to do that based on what Joe attempts to bring to the table in his current mental state.

I'll wager you stay on your current tack...Your defense of Joe is based solely on your perception of the standing President's weaknesses.


BIGV - 7/14/2020 at 04:33 AM

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I don't ever listen to speeches - but I had to see for myself this Democrat clown Biden who is "senile" and "can't string a sentence together". As jaded on politicians as I am, I pretty much believed the folks here. Held my nose and checked out Biden's July 9 speech in Pennsylvania, and found out he is an excellent orator, and his ideas are sound, even inspiring. He didn't drop the ball once.

He would do just fine in a debate.


Bring it on


adhill58 - 7/14/2020 at 04:59 AM

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I doubt there will be any Presidential debates this election year.


I hope there aren't any.


Oh man, I could not hope more for the comedy show that Joe Biden speaking "live" could provide...

The Democrats have got to be out of their minds for thinking this man can lead anyone or anything. A complete well thought out sentence is a minor miracle....


Literally, "I know you are, but what am I?". Trump just aced that cognitive test, right? He's never failed at anything, right?


Literally, your defense of Joe Biden is the criticism of President Trump?

The ultimate in "Neener, neener"......Joe Biden's task is to prove he can do the job BETTER and your vote says you believe he can. Try defending your candidate for once instead of finding fault in the other.

I challenge you to do that based on what Joe attempts to bring to the table in his current mental state.

I'll wager you stay on your current tack...Your defense of Joe is based solely on your perception of the standing President's weaknesses.


No, it is literally not my defense of Biden. I am pointing out that his detractors are using arguments that apply more to Trump’s deficiencies than his.

Biden understands American civics. He has authored legislation. Trump’s attempts at policy get shot down by conservative justices for being incomplete or incompetent.

Biden has been a successful senator and Vice President over the course of decades. Trump is a failed casino operator and a failed President.

For one, I don’t know of Biden saying that a virus that has killed over 130,000 Americans will go away like a miracle.

Biden also realizes that the international relationships that have kept the USA in the position it has been in for the past 70 years are not a ripoff.

I don’t run the Democratic primary, and Biden was not my first choice, but we are at a place where not being Trump is the only real choice.

Joe Biden knows how to do the job, Trump never even bothered learning.

People are free to hate Biden and Obama as much as they want, but defending Trump as the appropriate correction is beyond reckless and requires a cognitive dissonance that is beyond imagination.


BIGV - 7/14/2020 at 05:21 AM

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People are free to hate Biden and Obama as much as they want


I do not "hate" Joe Biden. I do however feel that if he is the best the Democratic leadership can present, well, say no more. I do not Hate President Obama either, quite the contrary, I have nothing but respect for this gentleman, dignified speaker and leader. Joe Biden is not even remotely close to being anywhere near the same type of man President Obama is.....


adhill58 - 7/14/2020 at 05:31 AM

If Trent Lott (a conservative with comparable experience to Biden) had won the Democratic primary this year, I would support him against Trump. He would at least know how to do the job.

Hell, I am almost to the point where I would support Mike Pence over Trump, at least he knows how the American government works.

By the way, I live in Indiana and hate Mike Pence and everything he believes in and stands for.

[Edited on 7/14/2020 by adhill58]


MartinD28 - 7/14/2020 at 11:15 AM

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If Trent Lott (a conservative with comparable experience to Biden) had won the Democratic primary this year, I would support him against Trump. He would at least know how to do the job.

Hell, I am almost to the point where I would support Mike Pence over Trump, at least he knows how the American government works.

By the way, i live in Indiana and hate Mike Pence and everything he believes in and stands for.


Pence's best skill is thanking Trump for "your great leadership" at just about every moment Pence is at the podium. I doubt we'd find many detractors from agreeing with Pence? The 33% percent who agree with Trump's handling of Covid would certainly agree.


cyclone88 - 7/14/2020 at 11:34 AM

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I don't ever listen to speeches - but I had to see for myself this Democrat clown Biden who is "senile" and "can't string a sentence together". As jaded on politicians as I am, I pretty much believed the folks here. Held my nose and checked out Biden's July 9 speech in Pennsylvania, and found out he is an excellent orator, and his ideas are sound, even inspiring. He didn't drop the ball once. He would do just fine in a debate.

Congrats on listening to a speech. I rarely do, but I've seen enough of Biden to know he is smart, experienced, well-versed in how government works, can think & speak strategically & understands the importance of allies and coalitions of nations.

What isn't often said about Biden (perhaps because it's more fun to ridicule) is that the man has had a stutter since childhood. He rarely talks about it, but in an explanation he said he's had years of training and has learned - particularly when making a speech - to have mid-sentence breaks in order to speak an entire phrase. He's well aware that makes him look like he's searching for a word, but he's really only pausing long enough to speak the next short phrase.

Led by non-scientific, non-empathetic Trump, opposition supporters are spreading the misinformation that Biden's intellect is failing. Wrong. Look at Biden's speeches from when he was 30 years younger & you'll see the same pattern - speaking to prevent stuttering that has nothing to do w/mental capacity.

It's a mistake for Biden, the Democrats, & the media to let these accusations go unanswered. When a TV guest starts to speak/laugh about Biden's cognitive decline, the interviewer should raise the issue of his pattern of speaking w/o stuttering that's lasted a lifetime. The man isn't cognitively impaired; he speaks to avoid his stutter.

Biden would NOT fare well in debates. He's thoughtful, deliberate, & polite. Trump is a bombastic braggart who enjoys being cruel. He's incapable of a debate that would enlighten any voters.


porkchopbob - 7/14/2020 at 12:06 PM

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I do however feel that if he is the best the Democratic leadership can present, well, say no more.

A little civics lesson for you - early Primary voters selected Biden.


porkchopbob - 7/14/2020 at 12:12 PM

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Literally, your defense of Joe Biden is the criticism of President Trump?

The ultimate in "Neener, neener"......Joe Biden's task is to prove he can do the job BETTER and your vote says you believe he can. Try defending your candidate for once instead of finding fault in the other.

I challenge you to do that based on what Joe attempts to bring to the table in his current mental state.

I'll wager you stay on your current tack...Your defense of Joe is based solely on your perception of the standing President's weaknesses.

You're actually putting the cart before the horse, you must have a short memory. Criticisms of Trump's opponents have been Trump's own well-documented weaknesses flipped - crooked, creepy, poor orator, etc. These all apply to Trump ten fold, but you and your MAGA crowd flip them as a defense. Trump's bat-sht crazy speeches have been cannon fodder for years.


adhill58 - 7/14/2020 at 12:46 PM

The whole discussion of Biden's supposed disadvantage in a debate is plain dumb. The premise of which is that because Trump is more willing to be shameless TV smart-ass in a venue where you only have to stay on topic for 90 seconds at a time, Trump will "wipe the floor" with Biden. Is this really an indicator of who should be making decisions that have true bearing on the lives of millions of people?

"He got my vote as soon as he said Carly Fiorina was ugly and told Marco Rubio about his wang." - Brilliant!


cyclone88 - 7/14/2020 at 12:57 PM

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The whole discussion of Biden's supposed disadvantage in a debate is plain dumb. The premise of which is that because Trump is more willing to be shameless TV smart-ass in a venue where you only have to stay on topic for 90 seconds at a time, Trump will "wipe the floor" with Biden. Is this really an indicator of who should be making decisions that have true bearing on the lives of millions of people?


100%. Debates are relics. They don't belong in a 24/7 media environment when there's nothing we don't know about the candidates. The question is how to get rid of them.


Rusty - 7/14/2020 at 01:05 PM

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I do however feel that if he is the best the Democratic leadership can present, well, say no more.

A little civics lesson for you - early Primary voters selected Biden.


Biden gets the Democratic nod pretty much based on name recognition and the fact that the primaries were decided before many voters (including this one) ever had a freakin' say. Fix this system ASAP!

Name recognition: you roll into a small town and you're hungry. Several "mom and pop" cafes, but you pull into the Golden Arches because you KNOW what they serve. Any of the "mom and pop"s probably have better and more nutritious food, but you'd never know because they're not advertised on big media.

I honestly believe that Joe got the votes before people had the chance to see him in his current condition. There were some good candidates in that field of Democrats who were shot down before their planes left the hangars.

I hope that the Democrats haven't succeeded doing what they did in 2016 - finding the ONLY candidate who can lose to Donald Trump.


Rusty - 7/14/2020 at 01:07 PM

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The whole discussion of Biden's supposed disadvantage in a debate is plain dumb. The premise of which is that because Trump is more willing to be shameless TV smart-ass in a venue where you only have to stay on topic for 90 seconds at a time, Trump will "wipe the floor" with Biden. Is this really an indicator of who should be making decisions that have true bearing on the lives of millions of people?


100%. Debates are relics. They don't belong in a 24/7 media environment when there's nothing we don't know about the candidates. The question is how to get rid of them.


I've said it before: the debates are the closest thing we've got to job interviews for these guys. I don't worry that much about Joe because Trump will very likely have his own melt-down during one of these events.


porkchopbob - 7/14/2020 at 01:22 PM

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100%. Debates are relics. They don't belong in a 24/7 media environment when there's nothing we don't know about the candidates. The question is how to get rid of them.

They are theater, and really weren't a thing until the TV age. Kennedy-Nixon were the first and the next debates weren't for another 16 years.


porkchopbob - 7/14/2020 at 01:55 PM

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Biden gets the Democratic nod pretty much based on name recognition and the fact that the primaries were decided before many voters (including this one) ever had a freakin' say. Fix this system ASAP!

Agree. It becomes a popularity contest since the majority of Senators and Reps aren't known outside of their state. Because campaigns are expensive, candidates drop out before half of the states have voted in the primary. The primaries should all be held on the same day, later in the year.


cyclone88 - 7/14/2020 at 01:56 PM

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They are theater, and really weren't a thing until the TV age.

They're not even theatre anymore. JFK/Nixon was a novelty. Now, it seems like we've been having debates for 18 months already (watching the primaries to me is a waste of time - we'll never see 1/2 those people again).

I don't consider them job interviews because Trump blabs every day & won't answer a direct question & Biden was VP for 8 years. What else do we need to know? I truly think anything either one of them says is complete fantasy since we're headed backward w/Covid19. CNN headline this morning "AMERICA SHUTS DOWN AGAIN."


MartinD28 - 7/14/2020 at 02:53 PM

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I do however feel that if he is the best the Democratic leadership can present, well, say no more.

A little civics lesson for you - early Primary voters selected Biden.


Biden gets the Democratic nod pretty much based on name recognition and the fact that the primaries were decided before many voters (including this one) ever had a freakin' say. Fix this system ASAP!

Name recognition: you roll into a small town and you're hungry. Several "mom and pop" cafes, but you pull into the Golden Arches because you KNOW what they serve. Any of the "mom and pop"s probably have better and more nutritious food, but you'd never know because they're not advertised on big media.

I honestly believe that Joe got the votes before people had the chance to see him in his current condition. There were some good candidates in that field of Democrats who were shot down before their planes left the hangars.

I hope that the Democrats haven't succeeded doing what they did in 2016 - finding the ONLY candidate who can lose to Donald Trump.


The point is Joe won the nomination given the way the process currently exists. It is what it is, and until the process is tweaked, we accept the results. I think Joe's a reasonably good candidate and hopefully will defeat the traitor that sits in the WH. I also think Bernie or several of the other candidates would also defeat Trump, and I would have voted for all of them. We hitch our horse to someone who knows gov't, won't ABUSE his authority, puts America ahead of himself and ahead of Putin, does not mock the disabled, is not a racist, follows scientific experts, etc., and we hope for the best. The important thing is to vote.


BIGV - 7/14/2020 at 03:02 PM

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I do however feel that if he is the best the Democratic leadership can present, well, say no more.

A little civics lesson for you - early Primary voters selected Biden.


And how many states and what % of voters were able to participate in this process?


porkchopbob - 7/14/2020 at 03:28 PM

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I do however feel that if he is the best the Democratic leadership can present, well, say no more.

A little civics lesson for you - early Primary voters selected Biden.

And how many states and what % of voters were able to participate in this process?

Was "earlier primary voters" not clear enough for you? It was still decided by voters, not "leadership", as you believe for some reason.

[Edited on 7/14/2020 by porkchopbob]


BIGV - 7/14/2020 at 03:38 PM

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I do however feel that if he is the best the Democratic leadership can present, well, say no more.

A little civics lesson for you - early Primary voters selected Biden.

And how many states and what % of voters were able to participate in this process?

Was "earlier primary voters" not clear enough for you? It was still decided by voters, not "leadership", as you believe for some reason.


"Early primary voters"..Wrong. 16 States have either "postponed" their primaries or have rescheduled them to coincide with other Statewide elections, meaning that not everyone has been able to participate in the voting process..

Now tell us again how voters and not "leadership" decide this?


porkchopbob - 7/14/2020 at 03:54 PM

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"Early primary voters"..Wrong. 16 States have either "postponed" their primaries or have rescheduled them to coincide with other Statewide elections, meaning that not everyone has been able to participate in the voting process..

Now tell us again how voters and not "leadership" decide this?

EXCATLY! Voters in the earliest primaries cast their ballots and Biden being ahead and campaigns being expensive, other candidates dropped out before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots. Most candidates dropped out prior to later primaries getting delayed. So, early primary voters, not the DNC. Capisce?


MartinD28 - 7/14/2020 at 04:05 PM

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"Early primary voters"..Wrong. 16 States have either "postponed" their primaries or have rescheduled them to coincide with other Statewide elections, meaning that not everyone has been able to participate in the voting process..

Now tell us again how voters and not "leadership" decide this?

EXCATLY! Voters in the earliest primaries cast their ballots and Biden being ahead and campaigns being expensive, other candidates dropped out before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots. Most candidates dropped out prior to later primaries getting delayed. So, early primary voters, not the DNC. Capisce?



^ It doesn't get more factual / black & white than this. Some people are just always looking for an argument regardless of facts.


BIGV - 7/14/2020 at 04:09 PM

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"Early primary voters"..Wrong. 16 States have either "postponed" their primaries or have rescheduled them to coincide with other Statewide elections, meaning that not everyone has been able to participate in the voting process..

Now tell us again how voters and not "leadership" decide this?

EXCATLY! Voters in the earliest primaries cast their ballots and Biden being ahead and campaigns being expensive, other candidates dropped out before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots. Most candidates dropped out prior to later primaries getting delayed. So, early primary voters, not the DNC. Capisce?


Did EVERYONE get to vote?...Did everyone get to CHOOSE Joe Biden?...Or is he the candidate by default?...Did people get a chance to WRITE-IN a Candidate?

NO they did not.

"before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots."

This was decided by COVID, Not the voting populace.


porkchopbob - 7/14/2020 at 04:41 PM

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Did EVERYONE get to vote?...Did everyone get to CHOOSE Joe Biden?...Or is he the candidate by default?...Did people get a chance to WRITE-IN a Candidate?

As I clearly just told you. That does not mean "leadership" made the decision, Some voters did.

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"before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots."

This was decided by COVID, Not the voting populace.

False. Most candidates had dropped out by the first week of March, making Biden the presumptive nominee. At that time 25 primaries had taken place. No primaries had been delayed at that time.

Sanders dropped out in early April, the only March primaries that had been delayed were NY, Kentucky, and Louisiana. 30 primaries had taken place by the time Sanders dropped out, and Biden had a comfortable lead.


2112 - 7/14/2020 at 04:53 PM

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"Early primary voters"..Wrong. 16 States have either "postponed" their primaries or have rescheduled them to coincide with other Statewide elections, meaning that not everyone has been able to participate in the voting process..

Now tell us again how voters and not "leadership" decide this?

EXCATLY! Voters in the earliest primaries cast their ballots and Biden being ahead and campaigns being expensive, other candidates dropped out before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots. Most candidates dropped out prior to later primaries getting delayed. So, early primary voters, not the DNC. Capisce?


Did EVERYONE get to vote?...Did everyone get to CHOOSE Joe Biden?...Or is he the candidate by default?...Did people get a chance to WRITE-IN a Candidate?

NO they did not.

"before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots."

This was decided by COVID, Not the voting populace.


So NOW you think that the winner of an election should be the one who gets the most votes? Interesting


adhill58 - 7/14/2020 at 05:46 PM

Primary elections have been around for about 100 years. Prior to that, nominees were chosen solely by delegates at conventions. They are much more democratic now. Late-voting states rarely have much input with or without a pandemic happening. The two parties’ primary systems are basically the same.

There really is no Left or Right about it. Not sure why this is something to rage about right now.


BIGV - 7/14/2020 at 06:17 PM

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"Early primary voters"..Wrong. 16 States have either "postponed" their primaries or have rescheduled them to coincide with other Statewide elections, meaning that not everyone has been able to participate in the voting process..

Now tell us again how voters and not "leadership" decide this?

EXCATLY! Voters in the earliest primaries cast their ballots and Biden being ahead and campaigns being expensive, other candidates dropped out before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots. Most candidates dropped out prior to later primaries getting delayed. So, early primary voters, not the DNC. Capisce?


Did EVERYONE get to vote?...Did everyone get to CHOOSE Joe Biden?...Or is he the candidate by default?...Did people get a chance to WRITE-IN a Candidate?

NO they did not.

"before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots."

This was decided by COVID, Not the voting populace.


So NOW you think that the winner of an election should be the one who gets the most votes? Interesting


In a statewide primary election, where people are choosing a candidate to be the Representative of their party for office of the President?

Yes.


2112 - 7/14/2020 at 07:00 PM

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"Early primary voters"..Wrong. 16 States have either "postponed" their primaries or have rescheduled them to coincide with other Statewide elections, meaning that not everyone has been able to participate in the voting process..

Now tell us again how voters and not "leadership" decide this?

EXCATLY! Voters in the earliest primaries cast their ballots and Biden being ahead and campaigns being expensive, other candidates dropped out before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots. Most candidates dropped out prior to later primaries getting delayed. So, early primary voters, not the DNC. Capisce?


Did EVERYONE get to vote?...Did everyone get to CHOOSE Joe Biden?...Or is he the candidate by default?...Did people get a chance to WRITE-IN a Candidate?

NO they did not.

"before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots."

This was decided by COVID, Not the voting populace.


So NOW you think that the winner of an election should be the one who gets the most votes? Interesting


In a statewide primary election, where people are choosing a candidate to be the Representative of their party for office of the President?

Yes.


Just not in the actual election for president - got it.


BIGV - 7/14/2020 at 07:06 PM

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"Early primary voters"..Wrong. 16 States have either "postponed" their primaries or have rescheduled them to coincide with other Statewide elections, meaning that not everyone has been able to participate in the voting process..

Now tell us again how voters and not "leadership" decide this?

EXCATLY! Voters in the earliest primaries cast their ballots and Biden being ahead and campaigns being expensive, other candidates dropped out before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots. Most candidates dropped out prior to later primaries getting delayed. So, early primary voters, not the DNC. Capisce?


Did EVERYONE get to vote?...Did everyone get to CHOOSE Joe Biden?...Or is he the candidate by default?...Did people get a chance to WRITE-IN a Candidate?

NO they did not.

"before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots."

This was decided by COVID, Not the voting populace.


So NOW you think that the winner of an election should be the one who gets the most votes? Interesting


In a statewide primary election, where people are choosing a candidate to be the Representative of their party for office of the President?

Yes.


Just not in the actual election for president - got it.


The Electoral College assures that not only do people in "Fly over states" have a say in a National election but they also won't be governed by the masses in N.Y. and California.

I like it.


Bhawk - 7/14/2020 at 07:50 PM

This idea that Biden is hiding at home because of some sort of cognitive decline is hilarious.

Why is Biden laying low, letting Trump be Trump?

Politics 101.

"When a man is self-destructing, let him."


porkchopbob - 7/14/2020 at 08:14 PM

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The Electoral College assures that not only do people in "Fly over states" have a say in a National election but they also won't be governed by the masses in N.Y. and California.

Can you explain why you believe NY and California would dominate a popular election today?

Texas and Florida both have larger populations than the state of NY. Of the top 20 most populous cities, 6 of them are in Texas. Wouldn't the more even dispersal of population density across the country guarantee candidates would have to travel to more places than just 4 or 5 swings states?


adhill58 - 7/14/2020 at 09:50 PM

Should each citizen’s vote have the same weight whether they live in “masses” or not? If Republicans did not need the E. C. to stay relevant, and it discounted their voters, they would hate it.


2112 - 7/14/2020 at 10:48 PM

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Should each citizen’s vote have the same weight whether they live in “masses” or not? If Republicans did not need the E. C. to stay relevant, and it discounted their voters, they would hate it.


It is important for Big V and the Republicans to decide who's vote matters more. Apparently your vote is supposed to matter more if you live in a rural area.


MartinD28 - 7/14/2020 at 11:03 PM

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Should each citizen’s vote have the same weight whether they live in “masses” or not? If Republicans did not need the E. C. to stay relevant, and it discounted their voters, they would hate it.


It is important for Big V and the Republicans to decide who's vote matters more. Apparently your vote is supposed to matter more if you live in a rural area.


Wow...so pigs and cows are voting in these rural areas, but Trump insists that millions of illegals voted in his election. No wonder he lost the popular vote. More pigs & cows would offset the illegal vote - think about that.


MartinD28 - 7/15/2020 at 12:45 AM

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Wow...so pigs and cows are voting in these rural areas,


Now now hold your horses there Big Thunder - let's keep it civil and polite. Yes many Redhats are morbidly obese and woefully ignorant, but they are men and women after all. Stooping to low gutter-French style insults like "pigs and cows" is dehumanizing and can only lead to more quarrels.


Ooops...sorry bro rabbit. Didn't meant to insult farm animals.


2112 - 7/15/2020 at 01:08 AM

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Wow...so pigs and cows are voting in these rural areas,


Now now hold your horses there Big Thunder - let's keep it civil and polite. Yes many Redhats are morbidly obese and woefully ignorant, but they are men and women after all. Stooping to low gutter-French style insults like "pigs and cows" is dehumanizing and can only lead to more quarrels.


Ooops...sorry bro rabbit. Didn't meant to insult farm animals.


Many of those rural areas don't even have farms. It's just land. So it's kind of like how the Constitution counted slaves as 3/5th of a person. In the Republicans' mind, empty land should count as an extra 3/5 more than a city dweller.

Now, that only counts when it is to the Republicans' advantage. Remember when Trump thought Romney won the popular vote but lost the EC to Obama? Yeah, Trump was calling for a revolution to abolish the EC then.


porkchopbob - 7/15/2020 at 01:33 PM

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Many of those rural areas don't even have farms. It's just land. So it's kind of like how the Constitution counted slaves as 3/5th of a person. In the Republicans' mind, empty land should count as an extra 3/5 more than a city dweller.


Actually, establishing state voter delegates in 1787 for what would become the Electoral College was a way to keep southern slave states from too much voting power.


gina - 7/16/2020 at 11:24 PM

Kanye put up $35,000 to get put on the ballot in Oklahoma. He is in the race for the White House.

He may create his own political party.


Stephen - 7/16/2020 at 11:39 PM

What happened to the RNC thread
Seems 2-3 political threads got deleted a few minutes ago
Just as well


Jerry - 7/17/2020 at 01:33 AM

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What happened to the RNC thread
Seems 2-3 political threads got deleted a few minutes ago
Just as well


Good riddance to bad rubbish - not sure what the others were, but gina's ghastly BLM thread is gone, so that's an upgrade.


Well, I got the question up about why it was removed, but I've already got a post there.


BIGV - 7/17/2020 at 01:59 AM

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but gina's ghastly BLM thread is gone


Censorship lives!


Jerry - 7/17/2020 at 02:55 AM

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but gina's ghastly BLM thread is gone


Censorship lives!




No, not at all. You have zero proprietary interest in this medium.

This website is a publication. The chief editors are the webmasters. Anything we write is a submission to this publication. If the editor does not want our submissions printed, then our material must be published elsewhere. When an editor edits, it is not censorship, it is simply the exercising of his or her aesthetic prerogative.

One thing to keep in mind is our little conflagrations create a lot of search fodder - I would be concerned as a webmaster about some of the more loaded terms that come up , which could attract serious weird attention on search engines, either from whackjobs or even intelligence agencies - something to keep in mind when posting things like -"Say auf wedersehn to your Nazi balls" or starting an openly racist thread like that BLM thread.

This is first and foremost a commercial site to promote a music company - as such it isn't the greatest PR to have a blitzkrieg of hostile insanity greet the casual internet surfer looking for info on the Allman Brothers.



Well said. Now let's just post factual stuff, like Biden is a mumbler.


Sang - 7/17/2020 at 03:05 AM

It's been really hot around here lately.... but I swear I just saw a snowflake........

[Edited on 7/17/2020 by Sang]


BIGV - 7/17/2020 at 03:05 AM

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This is first and foremost a commercial site to promote a music company - as such it isn't the greatest PR to have a blitzkrieg of hostile insanity greet the casual internet surfer looking for info on the Allman Brothers.


Then why have the "Whippin' Post" as a board/thread option?

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Biden is a mumbler


Agreed


Stephen - 7/17/2020 at 03:22 AM

Unsure why the RNC thread was deleted, it had just been started w/just a few benign entries
It is a music website, & since politics & music don’t mix.....


adhill58 - 7/17/2020 at 12:37 PM

I sure hope it wasn't something I said.

It wouldn't surprise me though if it wasn't the stuff that was being posted by the new user "Cagey" that either he or someone else kept deleting. A couple of the ones yesterday were on the verge of something weird - I don't want to call it "threatening", but weird in a very hostile way.

For instance, his post about "hippies trying to run to gun owners for protection when African Americans turn on them" was followed up buy a post (that got deleted almost immediately) where he said he "just remembered I need to go buy some", which seemed to be referring to bullets.

Also, his "just as guilty as anybody" "defense" of the ABB using the Confederate flag 40 years ago and claiming that BLM is out to destroy a band that no longer exists and always had African American members was probably just a little more paranoid whacko stuff than they wanted on here.

I didn't see the stuff he posted the first night he was on here, but that was all deleted also. I wonder if someone other than him was deleting his egregious posts and then decided it was just easier to delete the whole threads.

That guy is a ruiner.


Jerry - 7/17/2020 at 02:25 PM

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It's been really hot around here lately.... but I swear I just saw a snowflake........

[Edited on 7/17/2020 by Sang]


So you're the one that took the picture of the comet over the mountains?


Rusty - 7/17/2020 at 02:29 PM

Any suggestion of "culture canceling" (whatever) a form of music known collectively as "southern rock" is, "whacko". The idea to use the Confederate flag as a marketing tool was probably the idea of ... a marketing "tool". I always thought it was a stupid idea - most of the players eventually came around with that opinion, too.

Aside form the flag - I can think of very few song lyrics that even come close to tying any of the "southern rock" bands to anything resembling racism or "southern power" - or whatever. The late, Charlie Daniels might've come closest with, "The South's Gonna Do it Again" ... but I am really not familiar enough with the lyrics to say exactly what context he was speaking in. I always assumed that he was referring to record sales (as Skynyrd did with "Gimme Back My Bullets"). Dickey Bett's, "Southbound" really has nothing to do with anything more than a guy heading home - which happens to be in the southerly direction.

I personally don't think that the music of the Allman Brother's Band was ever intended for the ears of a bunch of rednecks. Congratulations to those types for finding it.


adhill58 - 7/17/2020 at 02:50 PM

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I personally don't think that the music of the Allman Brother's Band was ever intended for the ears of a bunch of rednecks. Congratulations to those types for finding it.


X2! Great way of stating it.



Also, I was reminded this morning on NPR about when Right-wing "cancel culture" went after The Dixie Chicks 17 years ago. Same people crying about the liberal cancel culture nonstop today were probably burning their Dixie Chicks CDs back then and Nikes a few years back with Kapaernick.


Jerry - 7/17/2020 at 02:56 PM

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Aside form the flag - I can think of very few song lyrics that even come close to tying any of the "southern rock" bands to anything resembling racism or "southern power" - or whatever. The late, Charlie Daniels might've come closest with, "The South's Gonna Do it Again" ... but I am really not familiar enough with the lyrics to say exactly what context he was speaking in. I always assumed that he was referring to record sales (as Skynyrd did with "Gimme Back My Bullets"). Dickey Bett's, "Southbound" really has nothing to do with anything more than a guy heading home - which happens to be in the southerly direction.



"The South's Gonna Do It Again"

Well the train to Grinder's Switch is runnin' right on time,
And them Tucker Boys are cookin down in Caroline
people down in Florida can't be still
When Lynyrd Skinnerd's picking down in Jacksonville
People down in Georgia come from near and far
To hear Richard Betts pickin' on that red guitar

So gather 'round, gather 'round chillin'
Get down, well just get down chillin'
Get loud, well you can be loud and be proud
well you can be proud, hear now
Be proud you're a rebel cause the South's gonna do it again, and again

Elvin bishop sittin' on a bale of hay
He ain't good lookin', but he shure an play
And there's ZZ Top and you can't forget
When old brother Willie's get soakin' wet
And all the good people down in Tennessee
Are diggin' bare foot Jerry and the C,D.B.

(Chorus repeats)

Written by Charles Edward Daniels

Just talking about how music from southern bands will help combat that blight on the radio stations called, oww, it's hard to type it, I'm getting nauseous, eeeerrrrppp, Disco. The ABB and other southern bands held back the bland stuff in the 60's called the British Invasion.


Jerry - 7/17/2020 at 05:09 PM

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.I personally don't think that the music of the Allman Brother's Band was ever intended for the ears of a bunch of rednecks. Congratulations to those types for finding it.


The ABB worked hard on keeping ticket prices down, even played a lot of free gigs so that those who worked low paying jobs out in the sun, thus getting rednecks, could enjoy the music.
let's not use generalized insults on hard working people.
RLM Redneck Lives matter!!!


Sang - 7/17/2020 at 08:26 PM

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It's been really hot around here lately.... but I swear I just saw a snowflake........

[Edited on 7/17/2020 by Sang]


So you're the one that took the picture of the comet over the mountains?




Sure wish I had...... and that wasn't directed at you....


Jerry - 7/17/2020 at 09:00 PM

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quote:
quote:
It's been really hot around here lately.... but I swear I just saw a snowflake........

[Edited on 7/17/2020 by Sang]


So you're the one that took the picture of the comet over the mountains?




Sure wish I had...... and that wasn't directed at you....



Didn't think it was, but I just couldn't resist.


Bhawk - 7/17/2020 at 09:37 PM

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This is first and foremost a commercial site to promote a music company - as such it isn't the greatest PR to have a blitzkrieg of hostile insanity greet the casual internet surfer looking for info on the Allman Brothers.


Then why have the "Whippin' Post" as a board/thread option?

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Biden is a mumbler


Agreed


"So, shower heads, you take a shower, the water doesn't come out. You wanna wash your hands, the water doesn't come out...dishwashers, you didn't have any water...in most places of the country, water is not a problem. They don't know what to do with it, it's called rain."

- President Donald Trump, July 16, 2020




Yeah, I'm still going with the mumbler.


Jerry - 7/18/2020 at 01:41 AM

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quote:
quote:
This is first and foremost a commercial site to promote a music company - as such it isn't the greatest PR to have a blitzkrieg of hostile insanity greet the casual internet surfer looking for info on the Allman Brothers.


Then why have the "Whippin' Post" as a board/thread option?

quote:
Biden is a mumbler


Agreed


Your choice.
"So, shower heads, you take a shower, the water doesn't come out. You wanna wash your hands, the water doesn't come out...dishwashers, you didn't have any water...in most places of the country, water is not a problem. They don't know what to do with it, it's called rain."

- President Donald Trump, July 16, 2020




Yeah, I'm still going with the mumbler.


cyclone88 - 7/18/2020 at 11:28 AM

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Unsure why the RNC thread was deleted, it had just been started w/just a few benign entries
It is a music website, & since politics & music don’t mix.....

I'd posted it in AG instead of WP. We're being monitored thanks to Boyton Bro & his constant attempts to return w/o permission from Rowland.


Rusty - 7/18/2020 at 12:00 PM

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quote:
.I personally don't think that the music of the Allman Brother's Band was ever intended for the ears of a bunch of rednecks. Congratulations to those types for finding it.


The ABB worked hard on keeping ticket prices down, even played a lot of free gigs so that those who worked low paying jobs out in the sun, thus getting rednecks, could enjoy the music.
let's not use generalized insults on hard working people.
RLM Redneck Lives matter!!!


Nope. Too many hard working folks who are NOT rednecks. Try tolerance, empathy - even sympathy towards others. I'm not sure what your own definition of a redneck is, but the lives of the ones that I've had to deal with really don't matter that much to me personally. Try this:

" ... Well, by and by, way after many years have gone
And all the war freaks die off, leavin' us alone
We'll raise our children, in the peaceful way we can
It's up to you and me brother
To try and try again ..."

Peace and love, y'all.


piacere - 7/18/2020 at 04:41 PM

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Looks like Cagey walked the plank.


"Cagey".

Not quite.

Hey! Let's have a contest! Guess Boynton Brothers new username! Been kinda dull around here anyway.

So, what's it been, 6 usernames?

I'm going with "Lucky7".

[Edited on 7/18/2020 by piacere]


cyclone88 - 7/18/2020 at 04:42 PM

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Looks like Cagey walked the plank.


That was quick. He was having a meltdown all by himself. I see he's gone on the member list, but there's another Cageylefty who joined around the same time. Tiresome having to dodge these trolls.



Jerry - 7/18/2020 at 04:48 PM

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Looks like Cagey walked the plank.


Why would he be gone? His posts weren't any more "special" than some posters who are still here.
He just asked pointed questions, with links, about subjects some here would rather everyone would just let go with "their" flow rather than what was actually going on.

Begin edit: Cagey had been a registered member since 2014. did Boyton Brother know that he would need so many extra log-ons back then?

[Edited on 7/18/2020 by Jerry]


cyclone88 - 7/18/2020 at 05:10 PM

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Why would he be gone?


He imploded. He posted that he'd contacted Rowland that someone was hacking into his account & complained about some sort of injustice. Now he's gone.


Jerry - 7/18/2020 at 05:18 PM

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Why would he be gone?


He imploded. He posted that he'd contacted Rowland that someone was hacking into his account & complained about some sort of injustice. Now he's gone.




Which thread, and did someone quote it before it disappeared?


cyclone88 - 7/18/2020 at 05:25 PM

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Which thread, and did someone quote it before it disappeared?


I don't know which thread but it was all caps. I don't think anyone responded. It was pretty clear he was off the rails. I only noticed because of the caps.


Jerry - 7/18/2020 at 06:33 PM

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quote:
Which thread, and did someone quote it before it disappeared?


I don't know which thread but it was all caps. I don't think anyone responded. It was pretty clear he was off the rails. I only noticed because of the caps.


Damn, you go work in the yard for a while, and all this happens.


stormyrider - 7/18/2020 at 07:33 PM

^^
odd, seemed like a good enough guy

wasn't there a post on collections??

anyway, back on topic, I got the application for vote by mail yesterday
I was initially going to go in person, but now I think I will mail it in, just to piss off Donald.


Jerry - 7/19/2020 at 12:22 AM

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quote:
Which thread, and did someone quote it before it disappeared?


I don't know which thread but it was all caps. I don't think anyone responded. It was pretty clear he was off the rails. I only noticed because of the caps.


I just thought of someone else that used to post in all caps.


Jerry - 7/19/2020 at 12:25 AM

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^^
odd, seemed like a good enough guy

wasn't there a post on collections??



Called the "What Do You collect" thread. It's gone too.


Stephen - 7/19/2020 at 01:51 AM

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quote:
^^
odd, seemed like a good enough guy

wasn't there a post on collections??



Called the "What Do You collect" thread. It's gone too.


Yeah the NFL one too - probly just routine maintenance/upkeep/thinning of threads etc - kudos indeed to Rowland & Lana for all they do
Guessing the gridiron will be idle this fall


gina - 7/24/2020 at 01:40 AM

Kanye West wants to run for President. I'm quietly in his corner for what he's been going thru lately but I don't think he realizes how being a President would change his life and his family's, plus the demands of 24-7 availability to respond to any crisis like nuke threats do not leave much time for much else. Kim couldn't keep doing her show in California and fly back and forth to D.C. all the time. Well I guess she could but she would not have much time with Kanye. But how can you film a t.v. show with secret service agents all over? Things would change.

I think he has interesting ideas, ie. Giving women money so they can have babies rather than being forced by poverty to have abortions. Poor women have to work, cannot afford day care, and often get stuck on welfare to get medical insurance for the child, housing and food. His idea gives women choices and elevates their status and incentive to become Mothers. The Taliban used to give women monthly stipends so they could take care if their children and not be forced to choose between Motherhood and working, particularly when the men were often out at war.

Another idea he has is legalizing pot. I don't agree with that, but agree with decriminalizing it, and if people want to smoke at home, that's their business.

I think Kanye should get some political experience before seeking the Presidency, but it is not crazy to have desires for change.

I don't think Kim's Mom likes him, but Kim loves him and that's what matters.

If he's stressed out he needs benzodiazepines to calm down.

It is interesting though that as soon as he gives his life to God people accuse him of not being of sound mind. Religious persecution.


gina - 7/24/2020 at 02:33 AM

By the way the person being groomed for the 2024 Democrat slot is Pete Buttigieg. Being groomed by Obama.


Stephen - 7/27/2020 at 02:39 PM

I wonder what the grooming process consists of
To groom most efficiently for 2024, I would’ve thought him to be the VP nominee

Gina Raimondo? Similar to Andrew Cuomo, she’s getting great press for her adroit forward-looking handling of Covid

Dr. Anthony Fauci
He’s been an advisor to every president since Reagan, he knows the political ropes, he’s won the Presidential Medal of Freedom ...
In these troubled medical times, he would be the nation’s Medical Czar as VP - a position that must be created w/life & the government as we know it, hanging in the balance - heck he’s so popular, he even has his own baseball card

Still think Nancy Pelosi is being considered, she’s female, well known & hates Trump w/a passion

imo Joe miscalculated by restricting the field of running mates to female only


MartinD28 - 7/27/2020 at 02:53 PM

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I wonder what the grooming process consists of
To groom most efficiently for 2024, I would’ve thought him to be the VP nominee

Gina Raimondo? Similar to Andrew Cuomo, she’s getting great press for her adroit forward-looking handling of Covid

Dr. Anthony Fauci
He’s been an advisor to every president since Reagan, he knows the political ropes, he’s won the Presidential Medal of Freedom ...
In these troubled medical times, he would be the nation’s Medical Czar as VP - a position that must be created w/life & the government as we know it, hanging in the balance - heck he’s so popular, he even has his own baseball card

Still think Nancy Pelosi is being considered, she’s female, well known & hates Trump w/a passion

imo Joe miscalculated by restricting the field of running mates to female only


What makes you think that Pelosi is under consideration? I've seen absolutely nothing to that point. She's also 80 years old. With Joe in upper 70's, do you really believe he'd look at someone older than him to be a VP candidate?

Why do you think "Joe miscalculated by restricting the field of running mates to female only"? I think having a woman as VP makes perfectly good sense. They certainly are as smart or smarter than men and capable of filling this position. Also if Joe is elected, his cabinet, admin, and staff will look like America. This is a good thing. I realize that many cling to primarily white male heritage, but that ship has sailed. Unfortunately some are still on board that cruise ship including the incumbent president.


Stephen - 7/27/2020 at 03:50 PM

In reply, if Obama is grooming Buttieg for 2024, why isn’t Mr. Obama recommending Buttieg for VP - grooming to me means preparing someone - what better way to that end, than learning on the job - he’d just take orders from Joe, & groom w/Barack Obama

Re Pelosi, stranger things have happened - her age works against her yes, but as you said Joe is up there too.....w/her experience she wouldn’t need the training/‘grooming’ others would

If I were in Joe’s camp I’d be concerned about the only-ladies-need-apply approach - smacks too much of McCain-Palin - sort of a novelty ticket - not saying the active nominees aren’t capable on their own merits, am sure they are -

however, Joe hurts his chances by basing his pick on gender instead of qualifications/credentials - it excludes males who might just as capable or even more-so -

plus he stands to be accused of sexism, or favoritism - after all, look how easy it is to offend people nowadays

Can’t wait to see the media love-in for Joe when he announces his pick


Rusty - 7/27/2020 at 03:55 PM

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...
Why do you think "Joe miscalculated by restricting the field of running mates to female only"? I think having a woman as VP makes perfectly good sense. They certainly are as smart or smarter than men and capable of filling this position. Also if Joe is elected, his cabinet, admin, and staff will look like America. This is a good thing. I realize that many cling to primarily white male heritage, but that ship has sailed. Unfortunately some are still on board that cruise ship including the incumbent president.


First of all, the "most qualified candidate" could very well be a female. Could even be a female of color. But when you restrict your choice based solely on gender and race - you are very much painting out other qualified candidates - based solely on THEIR gender or color.

Now, if Joe had cancer ... or needed some serious heart/ cardio procedure ... what criteria would he use in choosing a doctor or surgeon? Personally, I'd want the absolute best - even if they were a mixed race, asexual being from another planet.

[Edited on 7/27/2020 by Rusty]


Bhawk - 7/27/2020 at 03:57 PM

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Joe hurts his chances by basing his pick on gender instead of qualifications/credentials - it excludes males who might just as capable or even more-so


You're right, 244 years so far and there's still not a woman good enough to be the VP.


cyclone88 - 7/27/2020 at 04:40 PM

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imo Joe miscalculated by restricting the field of running mates to female only

Did he actually do that? If so, agreed.

America in 2020 seems to have reverted to the America of the 1950s as some sort of glorious period when white men knew best. It's as though the protests of the 1960s, civil rights legislation, SCOTUS decisions on Roe & gay marriage never happened for a significant segment of the population because they're still fighting them.

The key to the election is winning - not who can best do the job. If Biden needs a winner, he should be considering ALL democrats & maybe a former GOPer. The voter who will only vote for a woman/race/ethnicity isn't going to vote for Trump. Narrowing his options to someone who won't be acceptable to a voter on the fence seems counter-intuitive.


nebish - 7/28/2020 at 12:10 AM

He did commit to picking a woman VP at one of the last debates with no audience between himself and Sanders. One of the moderators backed up to clarify that he had just done so.

Certainly nothing wrong with a woman VP pick or a woman nominee or eventual POTUS herself. I'm not a fan of coming out and committing so far in advance who he may or may not pick no matter what gender or race or background.

He most likely was trying to score some points with certain voters. Or maybe he just honestly feels a woman needs to be in the WH. It's politics, so I'll probably go with the former, but the latter could be true as well.

The Democrat base and party would not stand for a Republican (or former Republican) or even moderate/independent type VP pick. You have all those positions on wedge issues that get people to divide voters up so they can know which side they are on...put two people together on the same ticket from different political affliations in 2020? I absolutely love the idea...but I'm also not a member of the Republican or Democrat parties...those people definitely would not love the idea.


nebish - 7/28/2020 at 12:41 AM

First debate scheduled right here in Ohio:

quote:
Cleveland to host first Presidential Debate for 2020
The first debate of the 2020 Presidential campaign will take place on September 29 at the Case Western Reserve University's Sheila and Eric Samson Pavilion in Cleveland.


cyclone88 - 7/28/2020 at 02:00 AM

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He did commit to picking a woman VP at one of the last debates with no audience between himself and Sanders....I'm not a fan of coming out and committing so far in advance who he may or may not pick no matter what gender or race or background.

Not a fan, either. As I've said many times, the process is way too long. Yes, politicians always are looking 4 years out, but playing it out publicly for 2 of those years is tiresome. This year, especially, nothing is certain so I think committing to anything 6-7 months out is folly. It's insulting to essentially say "I need to appease some voters, so I'm going to pick a token ________ as my running mate."


cyclone88 - 7/28/2020 at 02:03 AM

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The first debate of the 2020 Presidential campaign will take place on September 29


Maybe.


Stephen - 7/28/2020 at 08:55 AM

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First debate scheduled right here in Ohio:

quote:
Cleveland to host first Presidential Debate for 2020
The first debate of the 2020 Presidential campaign will take place on September 29 at the Case Western Reserve University's Sheila and Eric Samson Pavilion in Cleveland.



Why they would do this.....
2 elderly masked men, trying to outwit each other - spare me
Yes hopefully Covid 19 turns this from a maybe to a no go - true they’re 6 feet apart as they take the stage, but still.....

Hopefully an empathetic moderator will ask easy viewer-friendly questions they have prepared answers to
I can see it now - the TV will show them sanitizing their hands & donning their masks b4 shaking hands at the beginning of the debate
At least masks would cover up that garish makeup they put on -
it’s all parody material


cyclone88 - 7/28/2020 at 11:23 AM

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Why they would do this.....
2 elderly masked men, trying to outwit each other - spare me
Yes hopefully Covid 19 turns this from a maybe to a no go - true they’re 6 feet apart as they take the stage, but still.....

Two months away - about what 2 years was in the pre-Covid life in terms of scheduling.

As for the debates themselves, they're useless no matter who is running. There are NO questions to ask either candidate. Even if there were, both are skilled in giving non-answers. Debates were important tools in educating voters in the pre-24/7 new media cycle; they're relics that should be retired 2 decades into the 21st century. Let the acceptance speeches in which each candidate outlines an actual platform be the major form of getting any serious position statement out.


nebish - 7/28/2020 at 11:58 AM

Debates aren't going away. The news programs and channels need inventory (shows) in which they can sell advertising and get ratings for selling future advertising. Plus I'm sure the media thinks they are doing a public service. And it isn't like I'm innocent in all of this, news has become as much entertainment as anything else, I plead guilty to going along with it.


Rusty - 7/28/2020 at 12:51 PM

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... As for the debates themselves, they're useless no matter who is running. There are NO questions to ask either candidate. ...



I most politefully and respectfully beg to disagree.

Okay, we KNOW what measures to the various problems facing America that Trump has taken. We can SEE this train wreck in action.
I would very much like to hear (and see) Biden's responses when asked what HE would do to alleviate the seemingly riotous rebellions that are happening in places like Portland. I'm not picking on Joe - I just want to see and hear him respond LIVE and in real time to such questioning. Everything I've seen on him has been noticeably pre-produced and edited.

I've also said this before: if there are debates, I'm hoping and praying that Megyn Kelly gets to be on at least one of the panels.


cyclone88 - 7/28/2020 at 01:54 PM

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I would very much like to hear (and see) Biden's responses when asked what HE would do to alleviate the seemingly riotous rebellions that are happening in places like Portland. I'm not picking on Joe - I just want to see and hear him respond LIVE and in real time to such questioning. Everything I've seen on him has been noticeably pre-produced and edited.

Like the responses to debates aren't scripted, rehearsed, memorized???? Do you not remember the concern that Reagan wouldn't be able to remember his lines in his 2nd term debates? He was at least good humored about his gaffes. The lengthy rehearsals for Dole w/stand-ins for the charismatic articulate Clinton? Do you think Biden's going to say something different from his previous statements?

You just made the case for no debate - we know what Trump thinks. A town hall for Biden would work.


Rusty - 7/28/2020 at 02:20 PM

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Portland and Seattle are the only cities with enough spine to fight back.



[Edited on 7/28/2020 by BrerRabbit]


I support dissent. I support Black Lives Matter. I support Colin Kaepernick. But I would like to hear some "end game strategy" from all those involved. Do these protests end the moment that Donald Trump is no longer president?


Rusty - 7/28/2020 at 02:24 PM

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quote:
I would very much like to hear (and see) Biden's responses when asked what HE would do to alleviate the seemingly riotous rebellions that are happening in places like Portland. I'm not picking on Joe - I just want to see and hear him respond LIVE and in real time to such questioning. Everything I've seen on him has been noticeably pre-produced and edited.

Like the responses to debates aren't scripted, rehearsed, memorized???? Do you not remember the concern that Reagan wouldn't be able to remember his lines in his 2nd term debates? He was at least good humored about his gaffes. The lengthy rehearsals for Dole w/stand-ins for the charismatic articulate Clinton? Do you think Biden's going to say something different from his previous statements?

You just made the case for no debate - we know what Trump thinks. A town hall for Biden would work.


How - and in what universe do my comments make a case AGAINST debates? I honestly do not think they do.

As someone who doesn't care much for either of the candidates, allow me to post one totally unbiased observation: the majority of those who are not in favor of Presidential debates are Joe Biden supporters. Research this and get back to me. If I'm wrong, I'll go out and buy a MAGA hat and eat it.


BIGV - 7/28/2020 at 02:30 PM

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the majority of those who are not in favor of Presidential debates are Joe Biden supporters.


I would agree with this believing that Joe Biden "Live" will make for great SNL material. I will again state that I wish for the debates to take place but predict they will not. The DNP will find every reason on this planet to keep Joe of the debate stage. They can't agree on a Moderator, they will insist on a fact checker, Joe doesn't like the format, Joe is under the weather, Joe has other commitments and the Republicans will not re-schedule......Yada, yada yada


cyclone88 - 7/28/2020 at 02:41 PM

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How - and in what universe do my comments make a case AGAINST debates? I honestly do not think they do.

As someone who doesn't care much for either of the candidates, allow me to post one totally unbiased observation: the majority of those who are not in favor of Presidential debates are Joe Biden supporters.


Re-read your post - you said it was parody material & you were right. I'm agreeing w/you.

I've said this ad nauseum. I haven't watched a debate since Kennedy/Nixon. I've thought they were useless my entire voting life & even less so now when there is non-stop inescapable election coverage. It has nothing to do w/who the 2020 nominees are.


cyclone88 - 7/28/2020 at 02:47 PM

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I predict they will not.

Agreed. As I said before, 2 months from now is like 2 years in Covid time. A lot can happen.

Biden doesn't need to make an excuse. He can just say no. There's absolutely nothing that requires presidential debates.

The VP debate would be even more nonsensical.


BIGV - 7/28/2020 at 03:06 PM

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Biden doesn't need to make an excuse. He can just say no. There's absolutely nothing that requires presidential debates.


OK, say he doesn't need to have an excuse, but the press/media will ask.

And his answer?....


nebish - 7/28/2020 at 05:01 PM

Couldn't a fair point be made that the VP debate could be the most consequential in quite a long time? With the advanced age and some questionable health situations surrounding both POTUS candidates, there might be a greater chance than ever that one of these men do not finish the next 4 year term. If Biden picks a well known politician like Harris, then we can pretty much figure it out, but anyone else, and even her, I think it would be good to see them in action fielding live questions and exchanging with the other side.


cyclone88 - 7/28/2020 at 06:13 PM

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OK, say he doesn't need to have an excuse, but the press/media will ask. And his answer?....

Yes, the media will ask & Trump will shame him, but so what?

The sponsor of the debates (used to be League of Women Voters, no idea who it is now) will just say there won't be any 2020 debates. Again, in 2 months time, anything could happen that would prevent them.


cyclone88 - 7/28/2020 at 06:32 PM

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Couldn't a fair point be made that the VP debate could be the most consequential in quite a long time?

It might have been a fair point pre-Covid. Nothing is certain but uncertainty now.

Can you imagine the VP dates in 2016 if they'd been asked "how would you handle riots in every major city,
police murdering black men on camera, the public pulling down Confederate monuments, armed marches on state capitols & federal property, and a pandemic that is so out of control in the US that former allies - the UK, EU, & even Canada won't allow Americans to visit?" What could they possibly have said????

I don't care how smart, "woke," or politically savvy someone is, they can't predict what issues they will face & how they will handle them should they find themselves in the position of being president. Voters can't divide the tickets. They're either voting for Trump or Biden.

The VP is irrelevant. Trump haters aren't going to not vote for Biden because of his running mate & vice versa. Did anyone vote for Trump because they loved Pence? or hated Kaine? Was that the deciding factor between candidates?

I keep going back to the media maw. It has 24 hrs to fill 365 days. Voters will have a chance to see the VP candidates on any 1 of a zillion interviews they'll give during the campaign. I doubt there is a single question that won't be asked by the professional journalists as well as the PR pros pretending to be journalists. The candidates don't "need" a TV special devoted to them.

[Edited on 7/29/2020 by cyclone88]


Stephen - 7/29/2020 at 01:52 PM

Joe will announce his pick next week (“first week in August”- AP) - didn’t say if there was a potential favorite among Kamala Harris, Susan Rice & Elizabeth Warren, the 3 previously-reported (by AP) finalists - it could be someone else, who knows -

Joe has a lot of experience & must summon all his political savvy to make sure his pick will bring in the most votes - Barack Obama, Bernie Sanders, the Clintons, others are all advisers in the process -
sincere best wishes to All the candidates


BIGV - 7/29/2020 at 02:20 PM

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quote:
OK, say he doesn't need to have an excuse, but the press/media will ask. And his answer?....


Yes, the media will ask & Trump will shame him, but so what?


Well, John Q. Voting Public will take notice


cyclone88 - 7/29/2020 at 02:31 PM

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quote:
Yes, the media will ask & Trump will shame him, but so what?

Well, John Q. Voting Public will take notice

Maybe.


nebish - 7/31/2020 at 03:35 AM

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quote:
Couldn't a fair point be made that the VP debate could be the most consequential in quite a long time?

It might have been a fair point pre-Covid. Nothing is certain but uncertainty now.

Can you imagine the VP dates in 2016 if they'd been asked "how would you handle riots in every major city,
police murdering black men on camera, the public pulling down Confederate monuments, armed marches on state capitols & federal property, and a pandemic that is so out of control in the US that former allies - the UK, EU, & even Canada won't allow Americans to visit?" What could they possibly have said????

I don't care how smart, "woke," or politically savvy someone is, they can't predict what issues they will face & how they will handle them should they find themselves in the position of being president. Voters can't divide the tickets. They're either voting for Trump or Biden.

The VP is irrelevant. Trump haters aren't going to not vote for Biden because of his running mate & vice versa. Did anyone vote for Trump because they loved Pence? or hated Kaine? Was that the deciding factor between candidates?

I keep going back to the media maw. It has 24 hrs to fill 365 days. Voters will have a chance to see the VP candidates on any 1 of a zillion interviews they'll give during the campaign. I doubt there is a single question that won't be asked by the professional journalists as well as the PR pros pretending to be journalists. The candidates don't "need" a TV special devoted to them.

[Edited on 7/29/2020 by cyclone88]


The candidates might not need a TV special devoted to them, but the TV networks certainly need and want it.

It might be hard to imagine undecided voters this go around, but assuming they still exist, I think you underestimate the impact a good debate performance could have on somebody who might be on the fence. Even just the soundbites, the headlines, the fallout that can come from it, for the people who vote but don't really follow day-to-day issues, things that come out of a debate can impact some people's decisions. People who don't subscribe to voting by political party. They say independents determine elections. If that is is still the case then the Ds and Rs aren't going to do a thing with any debate storylines. Everyone else? A good debate performance could sway somebody to one side, a poor debate performance could steer someone away from the other side.

We might not think that is a wise way of choosing, and you might not value the debate process, but my views and your views are not necessarily universal and shared among the voting public. Plenty things I have no use for that many people are into. So to each their own. That and the media wants it for their own reasons.


cyclone88 - 7/31/2020 at 01:17 PM

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The candidates might not need a TV special devoted to them, but the TV networks certainly need and want it.

It might be hard to imagine undecided voters this go around, but assuming they still exist, I think you underestimate the impact a good debate performance could have on somebody who might be on the fence. Even just the soundbites, the headlines, the fallout that can come from it, for the people who vote but don't really follow day-to-day issues, things that come out of a debate can impact some people's decisions. People who don't subscribe to voting by political party. They say independents determine elections. If that is is still the case then the Ds and Rs aren't going to do a thing with any debate storylines. Everyone else? A good debate performance could sway somebody to one side, a poor debate performance could steer someone away from the other side.

We might not think that is a wise way of choosing, and you might not value the debate process, but my views and your views are not necessarily universal and shared among the voting public. Plenty things I have no use for that many people are into. So to each their own. That and the media wants it for their own reasons.


The media's needs shouldn't dictate the American political process.

Now, w/social media added to the mix where a 10 second exchange can go viral, candidates are encouraged to "perform" rather than "enlighten." It will be interesting to see the viewer #s for TV if the debates are also available on FB or other platform where viewers who are glued to their phones rather than a TV might see at least portions of the debate. There are generations of voting age who don't watch TV. Our views & media habits are NOT universally shared w/those of different generations.

The problem w/a debate storyline (as in any reality storyline), is Trump's behavior was off-script in the last debates. I remember clips of him wandering around the stage & looming behind the Dem candidate in an effort to call attention to himself & detract from whatever was being said. It's who he is. Angry, short-attention span, desperate for the camera 100% of the time. In that regard, it was an indication of how he would behave - all those photo ops w/world leaders he literally shoved out of the way so he'd be the primary focus of pics.

I have yet to see any one-on-one clips of an interview w/Trump as president where there is dialogue. There is ranting, belittling, & talking over the opponent/interviewer. No one has a dialogue w/him. No one.

As for whether the debates will happen, who knows? Anything planned more than 2 days in advance during Covid19 is in danger of being canceled or rescheduled.




Jerry - 7/31/2020 at 03:26 PM

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The candidates might not need a TV special devoted to them, but the TV networks certainly need and want it.

It might be hard to imagine undecided voters this go around, but assuming they still exist, I think you underestimate the impact a good debate performance could have on somebody who might be on the fence. Even just the soundbites, the headlines, the fallout that can come from it, for the people who vote but don't really follow day-to-day issues, things that come out of a debate can impact some people's decisions. People who don't subscribe to voting by political party. They say independents determine elections. If that is is still the case then the Ds and Rs aren't going to do a thing with any debate storylines. Everyone else? A good debate performance could sway somebody to one side, a poor debate performance could steer someone away from the other side.

We might not think that is a wise way of choosing, and you might not value the debate process, but my views and your views are not necessarily universal and shared among the voting public. Plenty things I have no use for that many people are into. So to each their own. That and the media wants it for their own reasons.


The media's needs shouldn't dictate the American political process.

Now, w/social media added to the mix where a 10 second exchange can go viral, candidates are encouraged to "perform" rather than "enlighten." It will be interesting to see the viewer #s for TV if the debates are also available on FB or other platform where viewers who are glued to their phones rather than a TV might see at least portions of the debate. There are generations of voting age who don't watch TV. Our views & media habits are NOT universally shared w/those of different generations.

The problem w/a debate storyline (as in any reality storyline), is Trump's behavior was off-script in the last debates. I remember clips of him wandering around the stage & looming behind the Dem candidate in an effort to call attention to himself & detract from whatever was being said. It's who he is. Angry, short-attention span, desperate for the camera 100% of the time. In that regard, it was an indication of how he would behave - all those photo ops w/world leaders he literally shoved out of the way so he'd be the primary focus of pics.

I have yet to see any one-on-one clips of an interview w/Trump as president where there is dialogue. There is ranting, belittling, & talking over the opponent/interviewer. No one has a dialogue w/him. No one.

As for whether the debates will happen, who knows? Anything planned more than 2 days in advance during Covid19 is in danger of being canceled or rescheduled.




If the debates are done on things like FB and other 'social media", they should be shown start to finish with a split screen so both candidates can be seen. Sometimes the reaction to a question or statement can be just as important as what was said.
Plus, how would you know that the "editors" didn't leave out something they thought might hurt their candidate?


Brendan - 7/31/2020 at 04:54 PM

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If the debates are done on things like FB and other 'social media",


NOTHING related to true politics or government should be done on social media. Nothing.

I’m not assuming you’re advocating for that Jerry, but it just blows my mind that people look to outlets like FB for news or anything of substance. It’s frankly pretty terrifying.


cyclone88 - 7/31/2020 at 05:20 PM

I'm not advocating for debates to be shown anywhere, but plenty of sports, concerts, and theatrical events are show on FB Live and other platforms like it that are no different from TV - the events aren't controlled by anyone but the producer (like the League of Women voters or whoever sponsors the debates). People are even MORE accustomed to getting information & having meetings via Zoom now during Covid19. The debates could be on Zoom for all I care.


Jerry - 7/31/2020 at 05:40 PM

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If the debates are done on things like FB and other 'social media",


NOTHING related to true politics or government should be done on social media. Nothing.

I’m not assuming you’re advocating for that Jerry, but it just blows my mind that people look to outlets like FB for news or anything of substance. It’s frankly pretty terrifying.


I'm not, really, I'm not. There is too much of a chance of "unseen participation of how the debate would be presented" that I couldn't discount any of the conspiracy theories of how it was manipulated to favor one candidate for the other.
How often could there be a "technical glitch" or connection problem, "sorry, lost feed", problems with "my microphone isn't working, many things that could happen either accidentally or "accidentally on purpose".
The Russian/Korean/Chinese connection of the candidate saying one thing in the studio and something completely different going out through FB.

All conspiracy theories, some whack, some where you think, could be, some plausible. Who would know.

If the debates are held, there should be 2 podiums about 7 feet apart. Cameras for each podium would be fixed in place so they don't pan or tilt and no zoom focus. The floor on each side of the podium marked to show where the camera has a field of view. Tell the candidates you can move to this point and the camera can pick you up. Outside of the marks, you can't be seen, and the microphone can't pick you up. Therefore you need to stay within these marks.
All major networks would use the feed from those cameras. Not just one.
Split screen, again to show both candidates at all times. No full screen close up shots of either candidate at any time of the debate except during introductions.

Questions can come in by way of a verifiable e-mail client. Nothing else. The question must be read using the e-mail headings ie: noone@nowhere.com and the name of the person sending the e-mail.
No prepared questions. The candidates will have to think on their feet.

No, I don't think the debates should be on FB due to all the fake information, news by bots, fake membership, and other attempts by foreign states to influence the 2016 election that are apparently happening still.


cyclone88 - 7/31/2020 at 06:11 PM

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Tell the candidates you can move to this point and the camera can pick you up. Outside of the marks, you can't be seen, and the microphone can't pick you up. Therefore you need to stay within these marks.

Same issue as masks; who's going to enforce this? During the last presidential debates, Trump didn't say anything, he just meandered around the stage, circled behind the Dem candidate at one point that caused her to look over her shoulder as to what was going on, and both drawing attention to himself & trying to throw the other candidate off.

Have we not learned that Trump doesn't follow rules unless he makes them? He can be told anything; doesn't mean he'll do it. He could just stand behind Biden & make funny faces. He's childish & will do anything to make Biden look disoriented & feeble. If Biden's in the shot, Trump would be, too.

Some posters don't understand 1) there are social media platforms other than FB Live that stream unedited content (e.g., youtube live) and 2) there is a group of voters who watch their phones/ipads instead of TV. In 1960, TV was the new media & JFK used it to his advantage to debate Nixon. 60 years later, phones are the media a lot of people rely on.



Jerry - 7/31/2020 at 08:17 PM

If he leaves his section of the stage and goes behind Biden, turn off the video feed on Bidens' camera.
I guess a monitor that the candidates see is required so he can see that he's not being broadcast.
Rules would have to be explained, a document showing the rules, and options, have have been explained to the candidates be signed by the candidates before the debates go on air.
The final sentence would be "If you do not agree and abide by these rules of conduct, the debates will be terminated at that moment. Video and audio feed will shut down. Explanations to the audience will be given as to what rules of conduct were broken by whom and why the debates have been terminated from a newscaster at undisclosed location."


cyclone88 - 7/31/2020 at 08:29 PM

Unfortunately, Jerry, you & I aren't running the debates. I wouldn't have them at all & you'd have strict rules.


Jerry - 7/31/2020 at 09:07 PM

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Unfortunately, Jerry, you & I aren't running the debates. I wouldn't have them at all & you'd have strict rules.


You are correct sir. Yes, If you don't have the rules in effect, anything is fair game.
Used to be a guy in one of my platoons that had the opinion that if the rules don't say NO, then it's ok to do it.
He did have a valid argument about that, so I've believed since then that the rules have to say what is and isn't allowed, and what can and will happen if those rules are broken.


Stephen - 8/1/2020 at 07:49 PM

Earlier today, Newsweek reported Joe’s aides & campaign strategists are urging him to opt out of the debates

I question the credibility of some of these news sources - the article referred to him as “Vice President Joe Biden”


2112 - 8/3/2020 at 04:03 AM

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Earlier today, Newsweek reported Joe’s aides & campaign strategists are urging him to opt out of the debates

I question the credibility of some of these news sources - the article referred to him as “Vice President Joe Biden”


Although I believe Biden has little to gain with a debate (why offer any hope to Trump who is digging a deeper hole for himself everyday?), I think there should always be debates. Trump had terrible debate performances in 2016 and still won, so it is unlikely that it will hurt Biden significantly. I think most people have made up their mind already. Heck, some people will probably already have cast their vote by mail before the debates happen. I'm wondering if Trump complaints about mail in voting may cause his voters to wait until election day to cast their votes making them more susceptible to changes due to debate performance.


cyclone88 - 8/3/2020 at 12:36 PM

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I think there should always be debates.

Curious as to why you think there should always be debates - especially after some ballots have already been cast? They didn't exist until JFK challenged Nixon in 1960.

Wendall Wilkie asked FDR to debate & FDR declined in 1940. The U of MD invited the 2 candidates to debate in 1956 & both declined. The 1st actual presidential debate was 1960 when a vigorous JFK took on pale, nervous Nixon on TV. No debates after that until 1976 - 16 years later.

By the time, the debates happen, there have been party hopeful debates, party primaries & caucuses, the national party conventions in which both candidates present their platform & make their pitch, & voting has started. Is there anything the public doesn't know by then? Especially when one candidate is the incumbent & has a 4 year record?


Rusty - 8/3/2020 at 12:45 PM

Also, "winning" a debate ain't always what it's cracked up to be. In my eyes, John Kerry kicked George W. Bush's arse in the debates. But to many, he came off looking like a smug smart a$$ - which turned off a lot of voters.

Personally, I love the debates! For the record, I don't believe I've ever heard an acceptable REAL answer from any candidate to any REAL question. Most participants at this level know and understand the political adage, "answer the question that you WISH they had asked" and just work from there. The entertainment value is huge!

Yeah, Joe is liable to be caught channeling James Stockdale ... but Trump will likely blow a gasket and melt down all over the stage on a couple of occasions. I just hope that Megyn Kelly is on the panel to make both ..."grabbers" sweat!

With the possibility of no televised sports - and the fact that I've pretty much watched all of Netflix, Hulu, Shudder, Amazon Prime and everything else obtainable via digital media - bring on those debates!

[Edited on 8/3/2020 by Rusty]


cyclone88 - 8/3/2020 at 01:04 PM

From today's New York Times - Debates Are Quip Contests; Scrap Them

Let’s Scrap the Presidential Debates

By Elizabeth Drew
Ms. Drew is a journalist based in Washington.

Nervous managers of the scheduled 2020 presidential debates are shuffling the logistics and locations to deal with the threat of the coronavirus. But here’s a better idea: Scrap them altogether. And not for health reasons.

The debates have never made sense as a test for presidential leadership. In fact, one could argue that they reward precisely the opposite of what we want in a president. When we were serious about the presidency, we wanted intelligence, thoughtfulness, knowledge, empathy and, to be sure, likability. It should also without saying, dignity.

Yet the debates play an outsize role in campaigns and weigh more heavily on the verdict than their true value deserves. Some of them have been less than hilarious, but they did the job of dominating reaction to a debate. Whatever substance existed was largely ignored. In 1980, when Ronald Reagan debated the incumbent Jimmy Carter, Carter made a serious point about Reagan’s position on Medicare, and Reagan’s riposte, “There you go again,” a non-answer if ever there was one, brought down the house and that was that.
In the first 1984 debate, Reagan, seeking re-election and at 73, the oldest person to be nominated for the presidency, seemed tired and tended to wander off mentally at times. His lackluster performance caused panic among his staff. Democratic supporters of former Vice President Walter Mondale saw an opening.

But another debate soon followed. Thoroughly prepared, Reagan got off the crack, “I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent’s youth and inexperience.”

The audience roared and Mr. Mondale feigned a laugh, knowing he was cooked. Not even Reagan’s ending of that debate, reminiscing about driving along the Pacific Coast and musing about time capsules, was enough to undermine his political prospects. Reagan’s “joke” aimed at nullifying the age issue dominated the post-debate chatter.

But what is the point or relevance of the carefully prepared one-liner? It’s as spontaneous as a can of sardines. It’s usually delivered from a memory chip in the mind, having been fashioned and rehearsed with aides. When is a president called upon to put down an interlocutor, be it a member of Congress or a foreign leader, before a large audience — or at all?

This, by the way, isn’t written out of any concern that Donald Trump will prevail over Joe Biden in the debates; Mr. Biden has done just fine in a long string of such contests. The point is that “winning” a debate, however assessed, should be irrelevant, as are the debates themselves.

The better way to pay attention to and choose among the presidential candidates is to follow the long campaign that so many complain about. The reason for such moaning has always been a mystery, because unless the campaign is taking place in your living room, you can simply switch it off.

The key words are “pay attention to,” because over the stretch of 2015-2016 it wasn’t impossible to see the implications of a Trump presidency. Not just the vulgarity but the ignorance and insensitivity and extreme narcissism were apparent more than a year before Election Day.

Moreover, we didn’t need the debates to tell us that Trump had chosen to be the P.T. Barnum of American politics. For him, it was (and still is) all about the show, about distracting the public from reality. It was obvious that Mr. Trump had no real affinity for the working-class people whose votes he was chasing. Nothing in his life suggested that his heart was with struggling workers and farmers. It wasn’t impossible to know that he wasn’t the skilled businessman he professed to be. His bankruptcies and shady business practices and discrimination against Black tenants were no secret.

The debates took us nowhere nearer the realities about arguably the most disastrous president in our history. They became simply another tool in his arsenal.

The party conventions, also vestigial organs of a political system that no longer exists, are close to being done away with, if not for the reasons they should be. There’s no reason not to throw the presidential debates on the trash heap of useless (at best) rituals that are no help in our making such a fateful decision.


cyclone88 - 8/3/2020 at 01:13 PM

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The entertainment value is huge!

Sadly, that's the point of the NYT article from this morning I just posted. It's not a tool to enlighten voters or get serious answers on questions. It's scripted entertainment. The candidates know it (Trump having been through his share as a primary candidate & then nominee & Biden as a primary candidate & then VP nominee). Anyone else who expects more is kidding themselves.


BIGV - 8/3/2020 at 01:54 PM

Funny how so many issues are divided by party affiliation and nothing more.

If I were a Democrat, I would not under any circumstances want Joe Biden on a debate stage either.

Argue or present any reason against it you care to.


cyclone88 - 8/3/2020 at 04:37 PM

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If I were a Democrat, I would not under any circumstances want Joe Biden on a debate stage either.

Big V, I think people are sick of the two of us re debates, but I will point out that I don't want to see Trump on a debate stage, either. I don't know the political leanings of the author of the NYT article, but her piece was an objective look at how useless the debates are in political terms but a wealth of entertainment value.


2112 - 8/3/2020 at 05:30 PM

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I think there should always be debates.

Curious as to why you think there should always be debates - especially after some ballots have already been cast? They didn't exist until JFK challenged Nixon in 1960.

Wendall Wilkie asked FDR to debate & FDR declined in 1940. The U of MD invited the 2 candidates to debate in 1956 & both declined. The 1st actual presidential debate was 1960 when a vigorous JFK took on pale, nervous Nixon on TV. No debates after that until 1976 - 16 years later.

By the time, the debates happen, there have been party hopeful debates, party primaries & caucuses, the national party conventions in which both candidates present their platform & make their pitch, & voting has started. Is there anything the public doesn't know by then? Especially when one candidate is the incumbent & has a 4 year record?




You make a good point. However, at least a debate gives voters the chance to see the candidates in a situation other than a 30 second commercial. While voters in some states are bombarded with commercials, I haven't seen a single one. The results of the state I live in is assumed, and frankly the candidates don't feel the need to woo individual voters in my state. We don't matter here like a voter in Pennsylvania matters. So a debate is one of the few times a nationwide audience will get to see both candidates.

However, after further thought given Trump throwing all presidential norms and decorum in the trash, and his history of lying (still waiting on those tax returns he promised), screw that guy.


stormyrider - 8/3/2020 at 05:53 PM

I used to enjoy the debates - until Trump

They became a flashback to 3rd grade recess - you're fat, am not. you're ugly. am not

Besides, Trump is such a liar there is really no way to respond to half of what he says.

He will say they are doing a great job with corona and Biden and his left wing bosses will fire all the polilce, ruin the suburbs, totally open the borders, and take away jobs (he has said all of this stuff already). Biden will say no, that's not the truth, and Trump will say yes it is. It will be totally pointless.


MartinD28 - 8/3/2020 at 06:32 PM

I'm curious what % of voters would have their vote changed by a "debate" spectacle.

Maybe Trump will stalk Biden & invade his space like he did to HC in the last prez debate cycle. What a big tough macho guy Trump proved himself to be that night.


BIGV - 8/3/2020 at 07:26 PM

From CNN:
Well over 80 million people tuned in to see Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump face off, setting a new record in the sixty year history of televised presidential debates. According to Nielsen, the debate averaged a total of 84 million viewers across 13 of the TV channels that carried it live. Many millions also watched the debate via live streams on the web.

Bring them on!...Put Joe on stage!


Stephen - 8/3/2020 at 11:21 PM

Wow - w/those number$ out there, there’s no debating it - they’ll happen - had forgotten it was such a rating$ bonanza in 2016

Now as then, people will tune in just to watch - for the spectacle of it as was said - more-so than to be informed

all our senior citizens, proud of seeing two of their own up there, will tune in

[Edited on 8/4/2020 by Stephen]


Stephen - 8/5/2020 at 05:10 PM

DNC has been called off, or at least downsized - radio said Biden & running mate will not be in Wisconsin - also said incumbent will give acceptance speech from Oval Office


MartinD28 - 8/5/2020 at 05:53 PM

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DNC has been called off, or at least downsized - radio said Biden & running mate will not be in Wisconsin - also said incumbent will give acceptance speech from Oval Office


Does anyone see a problem with an incumbent prez doing an acceptance speech at the WH? Isn't the WH supposed to be a place of policy and not politics. But leave it to Trump. Maybe he can announce he's closing down the postal system during his speech.


stormyrider - 8/5/2020 at 06:12 PM

^^
yes, I think it's against federal election law

but the law doesn't apply to Trump and his enablers


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