Thread: Knee Outrage

lukester420 - 5/27/2020 at 11:02 PM

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5263960002

Forgery is now punishable by death without due process.


White people armed to to the teeth storming state capitols and protesting that their right to being socially irresponsible, entitled jagoffs is being violated is ok though.

Nasty scenes in 2020.


lukester420 - 5/27/2020 at 11:18 PM

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/video/4566460-protesters-clash-with-minneapo lis-police/

Protesting systemic racism and police brutality is met with rubber bullets and tear gas.
Militia Cosplayers are somehow entitled to do what they do.

No such thing as white rage?


BrerRabbit - 5/28/2020 at 12:45 AM

Damn sickening - the guy was begging for his life, the cop went on autopilot, killed him.


nebish - 5/28/2020 at 12:48 AM

A planned peaceful protest turns to a riot, the police are going to respond to gain control of the crowd. Firing rubber bullets and tear gas isn't the real issue here.

At the very least the officer with his knee on Floyd's neck should be criminally charged. I'm not sure the role of other officers, criminal charges should be considered after investigating.


lukester420 - 5/28/2020 at 01:40 AM

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A planned peaceful protest turns to a riot, the police are going to respond to gain control of the crowd. Firing rubber bullets and tear gas isn't the real issue here.

At the very least the officer with his knee on Floyd's neck should be criminally charged. I'm not sure the role of other officers, criminal charges should be considered after investigating.




I agree that is not the real issue, and yes the protest did devolve into rock throwing and breaking of police vehicle windows so crowd control did become necessary. Firing indiscriminately at people who were peacefully protesting seated in the road does not seem like something that is necessary to stop the rioters IMO. But you are 100% right that is not the big issue at hand, I'm just venting about the ridiculousness of the armed Reopen protestors.

The real issue is systemic racism. That is what it has always been and for whatever reason, it still goes unaddressed or flat out denied by some. This riot was created by the constant turning of a blind eye to the fact that police have different sets of standards and practices for African American men. I can't blame people for losing their cool when this continues to happen time and time again, usually with zero consequences for these power trippin' goons.




2112 - 5/28/2020 at 02:23 AM

Since a recent precedent has been set, I'm surprised the BLM crowd hasn't been arming themselves. Makes you wonder what might happen.

By the way, I am all for protesting, but the whole shutting down freeways and vandalism is BS and needs to stop.


nebish - 5/28/2020 at 02:27 AM

There was an armed black protester interviewed by Fox. Think he said was former military. Was perfectly reasonable in his position and opinion, but 100% armed with exposed carry.


nebish - 5/28/2020 at 02:27 AM

He said, all lives matter and right now black lives matter.


lukester420 - 5/28/2020 at 03:11 AM

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By the way, I am all for protesting, but the whole shutting down freeways and vandalism is BS and needs to stop.


Fair, however public executions for petty misdemeanors in front of multiple witnesses with little to no repercussions in most cases is beyond appalling.

I agree that vandalism and lawlessness will not help any cause, but at this point I understand why some people choose to go that route.


lukester420 - 5/28/2020 at 03:15 AM

Or in the case of Ahmaud Arbery in GA, he did nothing but be the wrong ethnicity while going for a jog in some hick neighborhood. He was chased down and shot in broad daylight and it took months to arrest those pasty mouth breathers.



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MartinD28 - 5/28/2020 at 11:15 AM

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A planned peaceful protest turns to a riot, the police are going to respond to gain control of the crowd. Firing rubber bullets and tear gas isn't the real issue here.

At the very least the officer with his knee on Floyd's neck should be criminally charged. I'm not sure the role of other officers, criminal charges should be considered after investigating.




The optics of the other officers doesn't look good - especially the officer standing next to this. Maybe they asked the kneeing officer to stop, or maybe they did nothing to stop him? What is their level of complicity?


adhill58 - 5/28/2020 at 12:28 PM

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A planned peaceful protest turns to a riot, the police are going to respond to gain control of the crowd. Firing rubber bullets and tear gas isn't the real issue here.

At the very least the officer with his knee on Floyd's neck should be criminally charged. I'm not sure the role of other officers, criminal charges should be considered after investigating.




The optics of the other officers doesn't look good - especially the officer standing next to this. Maybe they asked the kneeing officer to stop, or maybe they did nothing to stop him? What is their level of complicity?


I think I read the other day that the third member of the Brunswick, Georgia "posse" got charged with murder. It seems like the only difference between him and these other cops was that they were on the clock. The hillbilly wasn't even acting in a role where he had sworn to protect people, the cops were.

In a situation where good cops protect bad cops, there are no good cops. I think that can also be extrapolated out to society as a whole. Remember how one of the only police officers convicted for something like this lately was the Somali immigrant officer who shot that Australian woman in Minnesota. If it makes sense when the cop is black and the victim is white, it should make sense when it happens the other way around.

Also, this guy was accused of forgery, and got killed. We should all be outraged. Some people get bent out of shape when a white person gets a ticket for using a closed playground.


cyclone88 - 5/28/2020 at 12:59 PM

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We should all be outraged.

I'm outraged. I don't know why all 4 cops weren't arrested for murder on the spot. The victim - he was 46 & not a kid - was saying "I can't breathe." Virtually any cop in the country should recognize that (I Can't Breathe/Black Lives Matter) as a mantra for police brutality (actually murder) of black men. Bystanders were caught on video telling the cops the man couldn't breathe, wasn't resisting, & looked ill. From the local report I read, it was an uninvolved firefighter who told the EMT crew that the man was bleeding from his mouth & nose.

So, people of Minneapolis, contact the local DA & whatever representatives you have to get an investigation started - & I don't mean Internal Police Affairs.


Rusty - 5/28/2020 at 01:07 PM

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Or in the case of Ahmaud Arbery in GA, he did nothing but be the wrong ethnicity while going for a jog in some hick neighborhood. He was chased down and shot in broad daylight and it took months to arrest those pasty mouth breathers.



[Edited on 5/28/2020 by lukester420]


This literally went down very near to where I live. Problematic is the relationship between one of the men involved (the father) and local law enforcement/DA office etc. This guy (retired private investigator) had used his buddy-ship with the local chief to be informed when anything seemingly shady went down in his neighborhood. Supposedly, there had been a string of burglaries in the neighborhood - yet there are no reports of such on file.

This case points to problems in the Stand Your Ground "law" and the antiquated idea of "citizens arrest" (I can never get Jim Neighbors/Gomer Pyle out of my head when I hear this term). Under "Stand Your Ground" a person can basically start a fight with someone - then go for their firearm when they start getting their arse kicked. The "Citizens Arrest" idea is just dangerous and should have NEVER been proposed.

The younger of the two intends to plead self-defense. Self defense - after he and several of his buds grabbed firearms and chased a jogger down the street - AWAY FROM HIS PERSONAL PROPERTY - and held said jogger at bay until HE decided to defend himself.

These guys have not only screwed their own personal pooch - they're about to take several people down the sewer hole with them. Here's hoping they all get what they deserve.


BIGV - 5/28/2020 at 03:03 PM

I hope they prosecute that Cop to the fullest extent of the law and throw him in a cage with some animals who are thoroughly aware of what he has done. This is the way Police are trained to handle situations, CONTROL. It has nothing to do with enforcing and knowing the law or statutes, it's about control and escalation when their authority is questioned in even the slightest way. Being a "club" they back each other without question, which is exactly what happened here. The first defense thrown out was that Mr. Floyd "resisted arrest" which if you've watched all of the video available is pure bullsh^t. The Cop is a criminal who committed murder while his "brother" cops just stood there and let it happen. Disgusting and I don't blame the community for reacting the way they have. Enough is enough and it's about time police training evolved past control and took longer than the amount of time it takes to become a hairstylist


tcatanesi - 5/28/2020 at 04:01 PM

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That Pro-Abortion chant, "My body, my choice"....Can this be applied to the wearing of masks?


No, it can't. Coughing or sneezing on someone won't get them pregnant.

When will men understand abortion is a woman's personal choice and has nothing to do with government or politics?


adhill58 - 5/28/2020 at 04:31 PM

We can all agree that the protest in Minnesota devolving into a riot is not good.

However, people riot when they feel like they have no other option. I am not saying that they have no other option, I am saying that they FEEL they have no other option. When black people have large non-violent protests or marches (where they may or may not get tear-gassed, etc.), nothing changes and the cops and vigilantes continue to be unpunished. When black people riot they are told that they are wrong, and they have the right, as Americans, to protest peacefully. When black people protest peacefully (like kneeling on the sideline during the anthem) they are told they are un-American. It might make some people feel as if they have no other option, especially when the police (or vigilante) brutality and killings happen so often and are so frequently captured on video and seen by everyone.




lukester420 - 5/28/2020 at 05:23 PM

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We can all agree that the protest in Minnesota devolving into a riot is not good.

However, people riot when they feel like they have no other option. I am not saying that they have no other option, I am saying that they FEEL they have no other option. When black people have large non-violent protests or marches (where they may or may not get tear-gassed, etc.), nothing changes and the cops and vigilantes continue to be unpunished. When black people riot they are told that they are wrong, and they have the right, as Americans, to protest peacefully. When black people protest peacefully (like kneeling on the sideline during the anthem) they are told they are un-American. It might make some people feel as if they have no other option, especially when the police (or vigilante) brutality and killings happen so often and are so frequently captured on video and seen by everyone.





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piacere - 5/28/2020 at 07:05 PM

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That Pro-Abortion chant, "My body, my choice"....Can this be applied to the wearing of masks?


No, it can't. Coughing or sneezing on someone won't get them pregnant.

When will men understand abortion is a woman's personal choice and has nothing to do with government or politics?


Or how the man feels about it either.


cyclone88 - 5/29/2020 at 01:05 AM

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I hope they prosecute that Cop to the fullest extent of the law

So do I, but the Hennepin County prosecutor says "there's evidence that doesn't support a criminal charge" & the federal prosecutor "needs more time."

Never mind that the cop who killed Floyd had 18 previous complaints & another had 6, including a lawsuit that the city settled w/a man who had been beaten so badly while unarmed & handcuffed that he had to be hospitalized. Those cops admitted to tossing the man's discharge papers w/care instructions & medication in the trash.

Meantime, the 4 ex-cops could flee the city, state, country since there's no arrest warrant pending. Justice.


tbomike - 5/29/2020 at 04:59 PM

So of course this cop should be arrested and so should the ones that stood by. Have not really seen hardly anyone except for some goofball hillbilly Mayor dispute that.

I do have a question though. Where is all the outrage about the no social distancing among protestors and then besides the good protestors who are out for legitimate reasons how about among the looters and rioters ? We going to see headlines about all those cases of covid 19 that are going to ensue from this or do looters and the rest get a pass on social distancing. Rachel Maddow and those folks in tears over the cavalier attitude or if you are angry enough and the media agrees with your cause it is all okay ?


BrerRabbit - 5/29/2020 at 05:33 PM

Mm mm good ! Red herring in apologetic sauce ! My favorite ! Then a straw man cake with a turd in it for dessert ! YUMMY



[Edited on 5/29/2020 by BrerRabbit]


tbomike - 5/29/2020 at 06:30 PM

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Mm mm good ! Red herring in apologetic sauce ! My favorite ! Then a straw man cake with a turd in it for dessert ! YUMMY



[Edited on 5/29/2020 by BrerRabbit]


apologetic sauce ? Most of the time people don't know wtf you are saying and that clearly includes you.


BrerRabbit - 5/29/2020 at 06:34 PM

^I'm not the first person in history to employ the use of the parable. Taken literally, yes, the parable sounds like nonsense, but is directed at those with ears to hear. You know what you are up to.


tbomike - 5/29/2020 at 06:35 PM

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^I'm not the first person in history to employ the use of the parable. Taken literally, yes, the parable sounds like nonsense, but is directed at those with ears to hear. You know what you are up to.


No I do not know what I am up to beyond making a simple point.


tbomike - 5/29/2020 at 06:36 PM

And I see the cop now arrested. It is a start.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/former-mpd-officer-derek-chauvin-in-custo dy-charged-with-murder-in-george-floyds-death/ar-BB14LZHO?li=BBnb7Kz


BrerRabbit - 5/29/2020 at 06:39 PM


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No I do not know what I am up to beyond making a simple point.


^ Ok, my bad, I thought you knew what you were doing. If you feel my nonsense does not apply to you, then don't take it personally - I posted a general comment, did not point you out.

[Edited on 5/29/2020 by BrerRabbit]


tbomike - 5/29/2020 at 06:43 PM

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^ Ok, my bad, I thought you knew what you were doing. If you feel my nonsense does not apply to you, then don't take it personally - I posted a general comment, did not point you out.


I am trying to understand the point you were trying to make. I know you have had extensive arguments with others on the whipping post here but we have not. I have a felling you think I have some hidden agenda.


BrerRabbit - 5/29/2020 at 06:51 PM

Cool response, good work -

I don't think you have a hidden agenda - you strike me as honestly concerned, with a lot of good points and arguments.

What I am riffin on is how you and others here often deploy the "where is the outrage" red herring distraction. I suppose it is just a way of trying to make sense of it all, same as we are all doing. So I post riddles to illustrate approaches and attitudes because I don't want to get into direct accusing and fights.

e.g. Huge social catastrophe in Minneapolis, then this side argument on "where is the outrage" that looters aren't social distancing. Strikes me as deflection.

Forget it. Peace.


tbomike - 5/29/2020 at 07:05 PM

Fair enough. We don't know each other so unless we discuss something we are not going to guess where the other is coming from. We have been in the same threads that I have shared some of my discontent as a life long liberal with what I believe is too much group think currently on the left. Not applying this to you but using this to make a point. My sister puts today on her facebook one of those memes that speak to the well you probably hated players taking a knee. Which I think is ingrained a little ( maybe I am wrong about this intent ) in this thread. But I supported Kasepernick and believe he was blackballed from the league and I hate that. But that does not mean that I agree with his reaction to this event.

Too much now in my opinion everything is seen as some binary choice about Trump. I remain generally on the left even though I entirely disagree with the left reaction and solutions to covid 19. Hopefully that helps a little seeing where I am coming from.


BrerRabbit - 5/29/2020 at 07:51 PM

Gotta agree man. Groupthink is a problem, made a lot worse by intstant mass communication. And agree on the Trump focus - we might as well call this the Whipping Trump by now. It is really bad how Trump has become this black hole pulling all frequencies into and through him like a distorted lens. He loves it, acts like he is all pissed off but everyone right and left is playing into his me me me thing.


lukester420 - 5/29/2020 at 07:54 PM

Glad to see an arrest made, I have to wonder if this would have happened as quick without the backlash and hundreds of thousands calls flooding official's offices. I'm not saying burning and looting helps anything in the short or long term, but peaceful protests may not have yielded this arrest that fast.

The problem though is this clown should have been fired or at the very least reprimanded one of the first two times he shot somebody. He killed a man in 2006 when he shot and killed an allegedly armed man, and then he shot an unnamed man allegedly going for his gun, both instances had dubious facts and little or no evidence suggesting deadly force was needed.

Officer Tou was at the heart of a lawsuit when the city had to pay a 25g settlement out over his sadistic beating of an unnarmed man with no arrest warrant or probable cause. As cyclone mentioned he also threw away the mans hospital discharge papers and pain medication. He has NEVER been disciplined or discouraged by the dept.

This goes against my usually pacifist leanings and the concept of an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind but I do not believe officers Chauvin or Tou even deserve a trial. Use their own archaic tactics against them both seeing as both men have acted this way for over 10 years completely unchecked. They have already proven themselves guilty time and time again in the eyes of that community. No trial necessary, just throw em to the wolves.


BrerRabbit - 5/29/2020 at 08:04 PM

The whole thing is really discouraging - then the other stuff coming up with the fusillade on Breonna Taylor's apartment in Louisville - I just don't think busting these couple cops is going to slow this down. It's gone Locomotive Breath by now


lukester420 - 5/29/2020 at 08:13 PM

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The whole thing is really discouraging - then the other stuff coming up with the fusillade on Breonna Taylor's apartment in Louisville - I just don't think busting these couple cops is going to slow this down. It's gone Locomotive Breath by now


I need to check for updates, but Breonna's killers have not been arrested. They dropped rhe charges against her boyfriend who fired on the cops in self defense but unless I missed something all those Dirty Harry's are still free men.
One fact from that case that is very telling, the police were so indiscriminate and reckless in this unlawful drug raid at the wrong address, discharged rounds were found in at least three other units in her building.


BrerRabbit - 5/29/2020 at 09:02 PM

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One fact from that case that is very telling, the police were so indiscriminate and reckless in this unlawful drug raid at the wrong address, discharged rounds were found in at least three other units in her building.


Saw that too, bullet holes in neighboring residences. Totally out of control. Turning a petty drug raid into a full on combat assault, looks to me like they are trying to provoke reactions so they can justify clampdown.


tbomike - 5/29/2020 at 09:15 PM

I think most of us agree we have a real and significant problem in this country with how blacks are treated by police and the courts. I do think we have to remember that while far too slowly we have made progress if one looks back and remembers from where we came. Thinking of MLK and the Birmingham movement and the freedom riders and Bull Connor and attack dogs openly used on protesters and Lester Maddux and George Wallace and such.

Having said that it is shameful that we still have so far to go in this matter. I believe I have mentioned before I have a brother who is a decorated retired police officer and he is quite frustrated with where law enforcement is these days and he said to me what is obvious in that that there is no police training anywhere that would justify how George Ford was handled. And the Arbery case as well shows we are not as far from the 60s events referenced above that we would wish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nghqjBwZTiE


gina - 5/29/2020 at 09:28 PM

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https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5263960002

Forgery is now punishable by death without due process.


White people armed to to the teeth storming state capitols and protesting that their right to being socially irresponsible, entitled jagoffs is being violated is ok though.

Nasty scenes in 2020.



You know what Luke, the cop Derek Chauvin, who killed George Floyd, has a wife who was charged for writing a bad check for $42 to Mega Pick 'N Save West in Wisconsin in 2005. She was married to someone else at that time, Kujay Xiong. He died and she met Derek later. She's a beauty queen. No knee on her neck.

Https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8367283/wife-white-cop-kneeled-Geo rge-Floyds-neck-wrote-bad-check.html

Derek Chauvin the cop, and George Floyd also both worked as security guards at the same nightclub. The cop worked outside. George Floyd worked inside at El Nuevo Rodeo Bar and Restaurant on Lake Street. Club owner Maya Santamaria told local station KSTP. NY Post reports.


adhill58 - 5/29/2020 at 09:37 PM

This is an example (of which I unfortunately have firsthand knowledge) of how there are truly two different justice systems.

About eight years ago a fifteen year old kid took his parents' car and picked up two of his friends for a joyride. A police officer tried to pull him over for speeding, and he floored it (100+ mph). He came around a curve and lost control and went straight into a telephone pole at the edge of the property where my wife and I were living at the time. The car burst into flames. He crawled out, but his two friends were dead instantly.

He was white and from a relatively wealthy area and family. He was sentenced to probation until he was 21 and could not get a driver's license until he was 21.

What would the cops and courts have done to a black kid in that scenario? Probably tried as an adult and convicted of two counts of reckless homicide.


gina - 5/29/2020 at 09:48 PM

The Chicago Tribune and Houston Chronicle have background info. On George Floyd. He is survived by two daughters [different Mothers], a six year old Gianna Floyd, her Mom, Roxie Washington in Houston. He moved to Minneapolis when his long time friend, Christopher Harris told him to come there that there were jobs. He lost his job in Houston because of the Covid-19 shutdown. He worked two jobs most the time once he arrived, security at the Salvation Army, driving trucks, as a bouncer at a Conga Latin Bistro where the owner had only flattering things to say like he was always cheerful, had a good attitude, was a Gentle Giant.

Https://www.chron.com/news/Houston-texas/houston/article/George-Floyd-polic e-brutality-minneapolis-dead-vid-15296192.php

Was he an angel? Well he did have an arrest for armed robbery in a home invasion in Texas in 2007. He got 5 years on a plea deal.

Other than that one incident there is nothing else except someone trying to work hard help support two children. He should not be dead like this. He was already handcuffed there was no need to keep him on the ground and cut off his airway. We have seen the videos.

The policeman had 18 previous complaints against him 12 of which were for police brutality. The nature and substance of those complaints and dispositions are not known at this time.





[Edited on 5/29/2020 by gina]


crazyjoe - 5/29/2020 at 09:55 PM

Sh!tload of great posts here!!! Stay on it People...............and stay away from other Peoples........joe


gina - 5/29/2020 at 10:05 PM

Furthermore was the arrest of Omar Jimenez, CNN Reporter and his team. He identified himself and was still arrested while live television coverage was rolling.

Https://www.Twitter.com/OmarJimenez

Https://www.cnn.it/2M8PJA5

He needs a PRESS vest like they wear while on assignment in places like Afghanistan. In a riot area a bulletproof vest would be nice but at least something like the vests used by Marathon runners to identify them from a distance. There are those who may dislike CNN, so just have PRESS on it usually it is dark blue with white lettering so they are easily identified.

He could have been shot. This is very serious. Even Mahmoud Ahmadinejad former head of Iran commented on the killing of George Floyd.

Violence needs to stop, but I do understand when people feel like they have no choice they will use anything they have, like their bodies in Palestine to protest. Someone recently said we need to think about this because what cop in broad daylight would do this where there were witnesses? Why would he risk losing his pension? Christopher Harris was one of the guys with George Floyd. He was wearing the red pants and white shirt and was getting arrested for no real reason. What happened to him?












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gina - 5/30/2020 at 12:37 AM

Https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/US/Minneapolis-protests-George-Floyd-dea th.html

Protests in NYC had 72 arrested yesterday. Protests continued today. Erroll Garner's Mom attended. Al Sharpton is heading to Minneapolis. The National Guard there instituted an 8 pm curfew. The White House, the Trump White House was put on lockdown by Secret Service, protests there too at Lafayette Park and Pennsylvania Avenue. Reporters not allowed to leave. They are in the Press Briefing room. There is a CNN reporter in there, sure hope Jim Acosta is not stuck there too. LOCKDOWN LIFTED.

Other officers identified at the scene of the murder of George Floyd are Thomas Lane, Tou Thao, and J. Alexander Keung.

How go they explain a handcuffed man being held down on the ground ?

And why was he pulled out of the squad car in the first place?



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gina - 5/30/2020 at 12:58 AM

The Floyd family has asked for an independent autopsy. Dr. Michael Baden who examined Eric Garner [the man killed in a police chokehold whose plea of I Can't Breathe galvanized a nation], arrives in Minneapolis tomorrow Saturday per Attorney, Benjamin Crump.

Https://www.foxnews.com/US/George-Floyd-family-enlists-Dr-Michael-Baden-to- perform-second-autopsy

The Minneapolis Police Handbook allows the use of knee on the neck restraint someone if they've been properly trained. After 2 minutes Mr. Floyd said no more and was either unconscious or dead yet that knee remained pushing on his neck for more than 7 more minutes.

The use of holding someone down with a knee on their neck should be stopped and revoked immediately as a permissible policy because either the cop in question did not know how to do it without harming someone or he just did it till he felt satisfied with the results. If he was not properly trained the police department is responsible.

Either way this cannot happen again. It must not.


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tbomike - 5/30/2020 at 02:38 AM

What is being allowed to happen in Minneapolis is outrageous. What in the world are the Governor and Mayor doing ? This is crazy.


crazyjoe - 5/30/2020 at 03:27 AM

Don't look now tbomike, cause if You do, You gonna see severely pissed off People all over this country............joe


tbomike - 5/30/2020 at 03:30 AM

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Don't look now tbomike, cause if You do, You gonna see severely pissed off People all over this country............joe


I have seen it. I hope you are not one thinking burning cars and buildings and causing destruction is a worthy way to get results. More innocent people will be getting hurt.


gina - 5/30/2020 at 12:39 PM

Https://news.yahoo.com/surveillance-video-moments-leading-george-170328026. html

New video NBC obtained clearly show George Floyd was handcuffed before being taken across the street to the police car of Derek Chauvin where he was pinned on the ground and died.

What was the reason to put him on the ground?

Derek Chauvin's wife just filed for divorce.

Https://www.nypost.com/2020/05/30/wife-of-ex-cop-derek-chauvin-reportedly-f iling-for-divorce

She us represented by Sekula Law Offices and filed on the day he was arrested. Statement from law firm:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8371633/wife-minneapolis-cop-derek -chauvin-files-divorce-day-hes-charged-george-floyds-murder.html







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gina - 5/30/2020 at 12:47 PM

Https://www.yahoo.com/news/pentagon-puts-military-police-alert-051546322.ht ml

"Insurrection, 1807?"




lukester420 - 5/30/2020 at 12:48 PM

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What was the reason to put him on the ground?



To satisfy officer Chauvin's sadistic bloodlust most likely. I saw a news bit about Floyd and Chauvin working security at the same night club like you pointed out. Floyd would have been working inside as a bouncer and Chauvin was an off duty cop working security outside at the door so it's possible they never really crossed paths or worked side by side, but both were indeed working the same club in the same time frame.

The club's owner expressed she was often creeped out by Chauvin, she said he had a very short fuse and was very quick to go for his pepper spray in situations she did not think called for it. Surprise surprise


crazyjoe - 5/30/2020 at 01:04 PM

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Don't look now tbomike, cause if You do, You gonna see severely pissed off People all over this country............joe

I have seen it. I hope you are not one thinking burning cars and buildings and causing destruction is a worthy way to get results. More innocent people will be getting hurt.


For Everything, turn turn turn, there is a Season turn turn turn.


BIGV - 5/30/2020 at 02:18 PM

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https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/video/4566460-protesters-clash-with-minneapo lis-police/

Protesting systemic racism and police brutality is met with rubber bullets and tear gas.
Militia Cosplayers are somehow entitled to do what they do.

No such thing as white rage?


How many of these scenarios resulted in the burning down/looting of their own communities?...including businesses owned by Blacks?


crazyjoe - 5/30/2020 at 02:50 PM

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What was the reason to put him on the ground?



To satisfy officer Chauvin's sadistic bloodlust most likely. I saw a news bit about Floyd and Chauvin working security at the same night club like you pointed out. Floyd would have been working inside as a bouncer and Chauvin was an off duty cop working security outside at the door so it's possible they never really crossed paths or worked side by side, but both were indeed working the same club in the same time frame.

The club's owner expressed she was often creeped out by Chauvin, she said he had a very short fuse and was very quick to go for his pepper spray in situations she did not think called for it. Surprise surprise


All the "qualities" You listed lukester420, is what made this guy the perfect candidate for potential employment the police force! Now I am gonna share a little story, so painful for me that after I share it, I gonna have to check out till later this evening and meditate today. March 17th 2015, my wife and I excitedly made the 90 minute drive north to Kalamazoo MI. To see our beloved Gregg Allman Band, we shared a half pint of Jack Daniel's and smoked a left handed cigarette in the parking lot prior to the show, it would be the last time I would see Gregg play, his voice was strong, road worn, beautiful, just classic GA. The Band was just right in his pocket, a glance at one of the musicians would be Gregg the exact result he wanted on stage!!! My wife and I kept commenting to each that it had been a magical show and evening, we should have taken the highway straight home, but we euphorically took the lake Mich coastal hwy, much more scenic, smoked another left handed cigarette and drove through St. Joe Mi, union pier past the cook nuclear plant, and we discussed the show and evening and then with out thinking, we drove through New Buffalo MI. A mile or 2 from our Indiana boarder, the police in this tourist trap beach and condo town have been notorious for 50 yrs, as soon as we entered town we got pulled, these police are Experts at telling if You are bringing in big money or just having a good time, like my wife and I. They smelled weed, we gave them the 2 roaches and a swallow of booze that we had left under the seat, I realize not smart, but what a night, lost track of myself, the cops asked for a med card, no have, Indiana resident. Another squad arrives immediately You could see one cop was trouble, You could actually see that one of em was a squirrelly, snivelling, phucking weirdo sexually pervert type!!! No female cop around, this Scumbag gets behind her and says I gotta make You don't have anything else and briefly frisks her breasts, crotch and ask, I was detained by 2 cops and COULD NOT DO **** !!!!! You could see the other 3 cops knew the deal, they did nothing, i believe they felt like Sh!t!!! We each were detained in a different car, fear was put into her, my cop just kept saying to me that this is crazy and he wishes they would legalize across the board, my wife and I were eventually released and my wife was given a court summons, I wanted to raise hell, file lawsuits, wife dead set against that as she was scared sh!tless!!! We appeared in court, she was fined $400, justice served!!! Reason for pull over, burned out license plate bulb. We never did let the events that transpired ruin our memory of Gregg and what we felt that evening.................Joe


porkchopbob - 5/30/2020 at 04:27 PM

quote:
How many of these scenarios resulted in the burning down/looting of their own communities?...including businesses owned by Blacks?

No one likes looting and destroying public property, but there is big difference between black people responding to systematic murder versus white military cosplayers storming capitol buildings because they were upset that they can't play on the public swing set. Especially after the white military cosplayers who can't play at the park ignored the black peoples' peaceful protest message and called them "unpatriotic" in an effort to discredit and distract the message.

So the appropriate analogy is if we called the white military cosplayers "ungrateful, unpatriotic freedom haters" for their peaceful protest. If they are ever murdered by cops without consequence, then maybe we will see how peacefully they respond.


lukester420 - 5/30/2020 at 05:18 PM

quote:
quote:
How many of these scenarios resulted in the burning down/looting of their own communities?...including businesses owned by Blacks?

No one likes looting and destroying public property, but there is big difference between black people responding to systematic murder versus white military cosplayers storming capitol buildings because they were upset that they can't play on the public swing set. Especially after the white military cosplayers who can't play at the park ignored the black peoples' peaceful protest message and called them "unpatriotic" in an effort to discredit and distract the message.

So the appropriate analogy is if we called the white military cosplayers "ungrateful, unpatriotic freedom haters" for their peaceful protest. If they are ever murdered by cops without consequence, then maybe we will see how peacefully they respond.


Exactly.
I was waiting for the troll train to pick up steam. It took three pages but i got a bite.
How many of those militia cosplayers have had their friends and family systemically abused and marginalized?
All they have to gripe about is they want to go back to work... doesn't seem like it warrants bringing your military grade weapons to the party.

Why weren't the violent nazi scum in Charlottesville met with the same force as the folks in Minneapolis or Louisville right now?

Don't bother answering we know where your sympathies lie.


[Edited on 5/30/2020 by lukester420]


lukester420 - 5/30/2020 at 05:29 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:


What was the reason to put him on the ground?



To satisfy officer Chauvin's sadistic bloodlust most likely. I saw a news bit about Floyd and Chauvin working security at the same night club like you pointed out. Floyd would have been working inside as a bouncer and Chauvin was an off duty cop working security outside at the door so it's possible they never really crossed paths or worked side by side, but both were indeed working the same club in the same time frame.

The club's owner expressed she was often creeped out by Chauvin, she said he had a very short fuse and was very quick to go for his pepper spray in situations she did not think called for it. Surprise surprise


All the "qualities" You listed lukester420, is what made this guy the perfect candidate for potential employment the police force! Now I am gonna share a little story, so painful for me that after I share it, I gonna have to check out till later this evening and meditate today. March 17th 2015, my wife and I excitedly made the 90 minute drive north to Kalamazoo MI. To see our beloved Gregg Allman Band, we shared a half pint of Jack Daniel's and smoked a left handed cigarette in the parking lot prior to the show, it would be the last time I would see Gregg play, his voice was strong, road worn, beautiful, just classic GA. The Band was just right in his pocket, a glance at one of the musicians would be Gregg the exact result he wanted on stage!!! My wife and I kept commenting to each that it had been a magical show and evening, we should have taken the highway straight home, but we euphorically took the lake Mich coastal hwy, much more scenic, smoked another left handed cigarette and drove through St. Joe Mi, union pier past the cook nuclear plant, and we discussed the show and evening and then with out thinking, we drove through New Buffalo MI. A mile or 2 from our Indiana boarder, the police in this tourist trap beach and condo town have been notorious for 50 yrs, as soon as we entered town we got pulled, these police are Experts at telling if You are bringing in big money or just having a good time, like my wife and I. They smelled weed, we gave them the 2 roaches and a swallow of booze that we had left under the seat, I realize not smart, but what a night, lost track of myself, the cops asked for a med card, no have, Indiana resident. Another squad arrives immediately You could see one cop was trouble, You could actually see that one of em was a squirrelly, snivelling, phucking weirdo sexually pervert type!!! No female cop around, this Scumbag gets behind her and says I gotta make You don't have anything else and briefly frisks her breasts, crotch and ask, I was detained by 2 cops and COULD NOT DO **** !!!!! You could see the other 3 cops knew the deal, they did nothing, i believe they felt like Sh!t!!! We each were detained in a different car, fear was put into her, my cop just kept saying to me that this is crazy and he wishes they would legalize across the board, my wife and I were eventually released and my wife was given a court summons, I wanted to raise hell, file lawsuits, wife dead set against that as she was scared sh!tless!!! We appeared in court, she was fined $400, justice served!!! Reason for pull over, burned out license plate bulb. We never did let the events that transpired ruin our memory of Gregg and what we felt that evening.................Joe


Sorry to hear that Joe. I had a similar experience in rural SC on the way to a Mule show. I was cuffed and in the back of the car before Deputy Pig f***** asked for my license or registration. My transgression? Riding left of center in my lane, not weaving into another lane or anything like that, just being left of center apparently.
I believe my real offense to the deputy was my long hair and ABB mushroom bumper sticker.


Rusty - 5/30/2020 at 08:02 PM

In the "good news department" - looks like most of the looters ARE wearing facemasks and standing 6' - or at least the width of a new widescreen apart

What? Too soon?


tbomike - 5/30/2020 at 08:13 PM

quote:
In the "good news department" - looks like most of the looters ARE wearing facemasks and standing 6' - or at least the width of a new widescreen apart

What? Too soon?


Well in seriousness you could say last night was the last gasp of social distancing. And if anyone believes that was sanitary use of face masks in these circumstances it would be just kidding oneself.


PhotoRon286 - 5/30/2020 at 08:41 PM

Seems the majority of problem "protesters" were from out of town.

I wonder if they left their maga hats at home?


crazyjoe - 5/30/2020 at 09:21 PM

quote:
Seems the majority of problem "protesters" were from out of town.

I wonder if they left their maga hats at home?




Well, they have reported solid evidence that says, some of the real stirring up and dirty deeds are being conducted by played and provided by members of the "hard white right "..........Peace.......joe


crazyjoe - 5/30/2020 at 09:28 PM

quote:
quote:
In the "good news department" - looks like most of the looters ARE wearing facemasks and standing 6' - or at least the width of a new widescreen apart

What? Too soon?


Well in seriousness you could say last night was the last gasp of social distancing. And if anyone believes that was sanitary use of face masks in these circumstances it would be just kidding oneself.


I believe the protection rate to be about 80% when 2 parties where masks, most were doing so, much more than i can say for our leadership?


lukester420 - 5/30/2020 at 09:29 PM

quote:
quote:
Seems the majority of problem "protesters" were from out of town.

I wonder if they left their maga hats at home?




Well, they have reported solid evidence that says, some of the real stirring up and dirty deeds are being conducted by played and provided by members of the "hard white right "..........Peace.......joe


http://www.courthousenews.com/minnesota-officials-link-arrested-looters-to- white-supremacist-groups/


BrerRabbit - 5/30/2020 at 09:45 PM

^ Thanks for the link. Figures.


MartinD28 - 5/30/2020 at 09:55 PM

quote:
quote:
Seems the majority of problem "protesters" were from out of town.

I wonder if they left their maga hats at home?




Well, they have reported solid evidence that says, some of the real stirring up and dirty deeds are being conducted by played and provided by members of the "hard white right "..........Peace.......joe


These are the same people from Charlottesville - you know...those that prezy referred to as "good people" They come from out of state to incite riots.

Events & situations like this are the perfect targets of opportunity.


lukester420 - 5/30/2020 at 09:57 PM

It may be hard for some to take to the streets during a pandemic but let us not forget the power of petitions and phone calls.

https://www.justiceforbigfloyd.com/


DOVETAIL - 5/30/2020 at 10:10 PM

Did I miss the coverage of protests in Michigan by the hairy, camo-garbed, AR-15 toting freedom fighters!?!?!?!?!


nebish - 5/30/2020 at 11:06 PM

I never shed a tear for people taking knee for the national anthem, but how can anyone not be sick watching the video of what happened to George Floyd. It does make me emotional.

It also makes me emotional and pissed off when I see the rioting that is going on.

"We were confronted with tens of thousands of rioters" - Minnesota Public Health Commissioner Harrington.

They estimate 80% of the people involved in Minnesota are from out of state. Would some be white supremacists? Sure, every civil unrest opportunist is going to be here. Left - Right- Anarchists - everyone. It's hijacked. This is going to get worse.


gina - 5/30/2020 at 11:10 PM

quote:
The whole thing is really discouraging - then the other stuff coming up with the fusillade on Breonna Taylor's apartment in Louisville - I just don't think busting these couple cops is going to slow this down. It's gone Locomotive Breath by now


You have protesters in Kentucky called the bugaloo boys in Hawaaian shirts who say they want a revolution. There are anarchists at all these protests trying to hijack the people who want peaceful change.

Ben Crump tells you Breonna Taylor should not be dead either. They just bust in shoot off 20 bullets while she was in her underwear and they already had the ex-boyfriend suspect in custody.

Https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8372235/breonna-taylor-mutilated-b ullet-holes-underwear-says-family-attorney.html

People are being undeservedly killed. That's why there are protests.

[Edited on 5/31/2020 by gina]


nebish - 5/30/2020 at 11:17 PM

Van Jones has made a lot of sense lately. I appreciate some of his thoughts.

One thing I think he didn't make sense was saying he's never heard of third degree murder, saying, they are making up murder degrees, might as well call it 15th degree murder. I don't think you can put a first degree murder charge on Chauvin because he likely wouldn't be convicted of that charge. Perhaps it should've been second degree instead of third degree and man slaughter. That is the point to make, that it should've been second degree, not that third degree murder charges are "made up". Second degree may be difficult in court also. Third degree murder seems perfectly and even easily convictable. Maybe that was the point in charging him that way. Don't want Chauvin walking on this one.


nebish - 5/30/2020 at 11:26 PM

Watching this **** in Chicago...people trying to roll a van over, I hope it rolls over ontop of the people trying to roll it over and pins them under it. This is **** .


gina - 5/30/2020 at 11:27 PM

The cops are not helping matters. Apparently it is open season on reporters. They identify themselves as reporters and THEN are abused. Tyler Davis of USA Today and Des Moines Register was doing his job.1,000 protesters in Minneapolis were throwing water bottles and eggs at cops. When they touched the barricades it went downhill fast. Prior to touching those barricades the cops just used light pressure water hoses. Then the flash bang grenades, along with the tear gas grenades and pepper spray was used.

Https://www.yahoo.com/news/one-usa-today-reporter-saw-180113673.html

Https://www.twitter.com/TDavisDMR

Https://www.twitter.com/TrevorHughes

Https://www.twitter.com/Boydenphoto


Why was Tyler Davis sprayed after identifying himself as PRESS?


There are two things going on here. One is peaceful protesters.

The other is anarchists who looted the Stop n Shop supermarket, Dollar Tree and Subway sandwich shop. They looted three supermarkets food banks are bringing locals food. The anarchists are interfering with interstate commerce stopping already scarce food supplies getting into the state and city to poor people.

Defense Secretary will send military and anarchists may die.


nebish - 5/30/2020 at 11:29 PM

Yeah and they fill water bottles with urine.


cyclone88 - 5/31/2020 at 12:03 AM

quote:
You have protesters in Kentucky called the bugaloo boys in Hawaaian shirts who say they want a revolution. There are anarchists at all these protests trying to hijack the people who want peaceful change.


They're not just in KY. I mentioned Hawaiian shirts as white supremacist symbols for those waiting for the grand boogaloo when they were disrupting something else that had nothing to do w/their cause. They're just opportunists.


cyclone88 - 5/31/2020 at 12:12 AM

quote:
Van Jones has made a lot of sense lately. I appreciate some of his thoughts.

One thing I think he didn't make sense was saying he's never heard of third degree murder, saying, they are making up murder degrees, might as well call it 15th degree murder. I don't think you can put a first degree murder charge on Chauvin because he likely wouldn't be convicted of that charge. Perhaps it should've been second degree instead of third degree and man slaughter. That is the point to make, that it should've been second degree, not that third degree murder charges are "made up". Second degree may be difficult in court also. Third degree murder seems perfectly and even easily convictable. Maybe that was the point in charging him that way. Don't want Chauvin walking on this one.

Every state has its own menu of degrees of murder. In MN, it seems like the degree depends upon 1) who the victim was (like a cop) & if murder was part of another crime like armed robbery. Third degree in MN seems like murder & appropriate for Chauvin. The fed prosecutor who may be considering a hate crime or civil rights charge still "needs time." The inclusion of some type of manslaughter sounds like there's going to be an opportunity for a jury to go for a lesser charge than murder.

I want to know why the other 3 haven't been charged & arrested. Can't an arrest warrant be issued on Sat & Sun? Those 3 could flee at any minute. Chauvin was preparing to head to his house in FL before his arrest.


gina - 5/31/2020 at 12:39 AM

Another reporter directly abused by police in Louisville.

Https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/louisville-tv-reporter-shot-rubber-1738 58673.html

Kaitlin Rust of WAVE 3 and James Dobson shot with rubber bullets live on air and suffered minor injuries. According to her report they aimed right at them.


gina - 5/31/2020 at 12:41 AM

quote:
Van Jones has made a lot of sense lately. I appreciate some of his thoughts.

One thing I think he didn't make sense was saying he's never heard of third degree murder, saying, they are making up murder degrees, might as well call it 15th degree murder. I don't think you can put a first degree murder charge on Chauvin because he likely wouldn't be convicted of that charge. Perhaps it should've been second degree instead of third degree and man slaughter. That is the point to make, that it should've been second degree, not that third degree murder charges are "made up". Second degree may be difficult in court also. Third degree murder seems perfectly and even easily convictable. Maybe that was the point in charging him that way. Don't want Chauvin walking on this one.


They can give him 25 years with 3rd degree. That will satisfy many people who want something done.


nebish - 5/31/2020 at 12:45 AM

quote:
Another reporter directly abused by police in Louisville.

Https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/louisville-tv-reporter-shot-rubber-1738 58673.html

Kaitlin Rust of WAVE 3 and James Dobson shot with rubber bullets live on air and suffered minor injuries. According to her report they aimed right at them.




According to Pittsburgh Public Safety Officials, multiple officers have been injured. They said at least three local journalists were also attacked and injured by protesters.


gina - 5/31/2020 at 12:45 AM

[quo ill-te]Yeah and they fill water bottles with urine.




The PRESS are not doing that. The anarchists might be, but that's no reason to punish the press.


nebish - 5/31/2020 at 12:51 AM

Of course the press aren't filling the bottles with urine Gina. WTF!


nebish - 5/31/2020 at 12:52 AM

https://twitter.com/mkultranews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7 Ctwterm%5E1266867809490894849&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ajc.com%2Fnews% 2Fprotests-atlanta-elsewhere-turn-violent%2FbFUUufJyg2a9PFOtMg2RjP%2F

Ugly, ugly ass **** going on out there. People will die tonight no doubt.

Rioters emboldened enough to physically attack police officers.


gina - 5/31/2020 at 01:06 AM

Http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fox-news-leland-vittert-describes-190115 677.html

Some people in the crowd are targeting journalists, trying to surround them the way the cops in Tahrir Square did and they want to hurt them. So it is not just the cops.

The anarchists?

Are they planning to try to take down the government when they are done with the reporters.

This is bad.

[Edited on 5/31/2020 by gina]


nebish - 5/31/2020 at 01:13 AM

I don't know who is an anarchist or not, surely they are part of this. But I see White, Black, Hispanic, men and woman all being violent and instigating. You can't blame it all on anarchists. You can't blame it all on BLM. You can't blame it all on white supremacists. Gangs, anyone out there. It looks like anyone who just wants to fight and start **** came to get it on tonight. I might think some people aren't even there for the cause, just there to cause chaos.

A reporter in South Carolina got hit in the head with a rock. Protesters in Chicago got hit in the head with bricks.

These people don't care if they hurt innocent reporters or even fellow protesters/rioters.


gina - 5/31/2020 at 02:03 AM

Anarchists come in all colors. Many came out in NYC protests too.

The brother of George Floyd, Philonese received a call from Trump, whom he says did not even let him say anything. He also spoke with Biden begging him to please help so this does not happen again. Can't the leadership of states and government come together and create George's Law to stop police from killing people based on their own bias and racism? There are federal laws against racism but murder because of it hasn't even been addressed.

Https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/george-floyds-brother-says-trump-230307 4565.html

Courteney Ross, George Floyd's girlfriend of three years pleads for peaceful protests.

Https://www.people.com/crime/george-floyd-girlfriend-pleads-peaceful-protes ts

Can't Barak and Michelle Obama do anything. Where are the champions of justice?

There is a man afraid to walk down the street in Nashville because he is black and doesn't want to be killed by cops.

Https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/nashville-community-rallies-behind-man- 221556690.html

He grew up there but he could be killed like anyone else. How sad is this?




gina - 5/31/2020 at 02:37 AM

From Benjamin Crump lawyer for the family of George Floyd.

Https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/May/29/george-floyd-death-be njamin-crump-jasmine-rand

His remarks on the facts in the case. The article is under the opinion tab. Not sure what the issue is with

[Edited on 5/31/2020 by gina]


gina - 5/31/2020 at 03:03 AM

From the NYC protest Friday 3,000 people came out. A cop just violently pushed a 20 year old so forcefully she hit the ground with her head slamming into the pavement, had at least one seizure later. He came at her with another cop. Her name is Dounya Zayer.

Https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8372479/NYPD-officer-shoved-female -protester-ground-investigation.html

It is now also reported Derek Chauvin is on suicide watch at the jail. Maybe they're going to Epstein him because the case is causing too many problems and likely to be quite expensive. Dr. Baden who is or already has preformed a second autopsy on George Floyd also did a second autopsy on Jeffrey Epstein and believed his death was a homicide.






[Edited on 5/31/2020 by gina]

[Edited on 5/31/2020 by gina]


WaitinForRain - 5/31/2020 at 10:03 AM

Kap takes a PEACEFUL knee to the turf and the NFL and MAGA (maggot) fans everywhere go all Entitlement and the guy is blackballed.

But put your knee on a human windpipe wearing blues, take a life, and get a pension.
The only surprise is it took this long for people to get this pissed again.
There will not be any lasting reform that comes with this protest. I predict more
oppression.

Equally sad that these people go to church and then lynch citizens by knee.
No rope, same outcome. Sick bunch of sanctioned killers.

K thanks bai I'll return to scrubs and covid.
Sad to think I'm safer at work wrapped in plastic than trying to run errands,
get a haircut, or get outta town for the weekend.

But the way don't believe Facebook bots, PLEASE wear a mask, wash your hands
and make safe choices. Take a pass on this virus, even 'mild' cases can have
nasty lasting consequences. Can't breathe on the street? or on a vent?
Skip both, keep breathing

If nothing else, eat a 🍑 for peace.





BIGV - 5/31/2020 at 01:23 PM

quote:
Kap takes a PEACEFUL knee to the turf and the NFL and MAGA (maggot) fans everywhere go all Entitlement and the guy is blackballed.


The very same "Kap" who has encouraged the violence and looting taking place around the country?...and has then offered to pay the legal defense of the people who are torching their own neighborhoods?

Yeah, he is a real class act.


lukester420 - 5/31/2020 at 02:06 PM

quote:
quote:
Kap takes a PEACEFUL knee to the turf and the NFL and MAGA (maggot) fans everywhere go all Entitlement and the guy is blackballed.


The very same "Kap" who has encouraged the violence and looting taking place around the country?...and has then offered to pay the legal defense of the people who are torching their own neighborhoods?

Yeah, he is a real class act.

^Stands up for everyones right to their opinion. Unless the person expressing the opinion happens to be a person of color or liberal. Your thin blue line brotherhood of protecting corrupt pigs caused this situation, not an athlete who stood up (or kneeled) for his beliefs.


[Edited on 5/31/2020 by lukester420]

[Edited on 5/31/2020 by lukester420]


lukester420 - 5/31/2020 at 02:18 PM

The White house already taking their usual position, blaming all the violence on Antifa and other Leftist anarchists, of course only the leftists, not the Boogaloo boys.


tbomike - 5/31/2020 at 02:25 PM

For as long as there has been riots politicians blame things on outside agitators. This kind of stuff is shameful no matter who you want to point fingers at. It is ALL parties involved to blame.

https://mobile.twitter.com/brandondarby/status/1266931208275013633


lukester420 - 5/31/2020 at 02:36 PM

Yeah I saw that nastiness in Dallas, I also saw the guy in Salt Lake City that shot someone with a bow and then got swarmed and pounded before his car got flipped pver and torched.

I agree there is plenty of blame to go to around, I would be reluctant to say ALL parties though. People who are protesting peacefully to express their disgust with the continued bs from our institutions don't need to be painted with the same brush as extremists, that implies that people should just keep their mouths shut and take it.
The root is our nation's history, not Colin Kaepernick or people who want their children to grow up in a society that values their lives.


[Edited on 5/31/2020 by lukester420]

[Edited on 5/31/2020 by lukester420]


crazyjoe - 5/31/2020 at 02:37 PM

Well, if what the Trumpster is calling for here comes to pass, it could be an interesting evening? Pop up some corn and tuna in............joe

Trump Opens Door for Violent Clash: 'I Don't Care' If MAGA Counter-Protests at White House

https://flip.it/iQqSjC


porkchopbob - 5/31/2020 at 04:31 PM

quote:
quote:
Kap takes a PEACEFUL knee to the turf and the NFL and MAGA (maggot) fans everywhere go all Entitlement and the guy is blackballed.


The very same "Kap" who has encouraged the violence and looting taking place around the country?...and has then offered to pay the legal defense of the people who are torching their own neighborhoods?

Yeah, he is a real class act.

That in no way means white racists, including the President who praised White Supremicists who marched and killed someone, were right to discredit and villainize Kap for his peaceful protest.


porkchopbob - 5/31/2020 at 04:34 PM

quote:
The White house already taking their usual position, blaming all the violence on Antifa and other Leftist anarchists, of course only the leftists, not the Boogaloo boys.


According to the President, Nazis who marched and killed someone included a lot of good people, but black people who protest are "thugs". This is the definition of a "racist".


porkchopbob - 5/31/2020 at 04:39 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Kap takes a PEACEFUL knee to the turf and the NFL and MAGA (maggot) fans everywhere go all Entitlement and the guy is blackballed.


The very same "Kap" who has encouraged the violence and looting taking place around the country?...and has then offered to pay the legal defense of the people who are torching their own neighborhoods?

Yeah, he is a real class act.

^Stands up for everyones right to their opinion. Unless the person expressing the opinion happens to be a person of color or liberal. Your thin blue line brotherhood of protecting corrupt pigs caused this situation, not an athlete who stood up (or kneeled) for his beliefs.

Some people care more about property values than murder. It's deplorable.


Rusty - 5/31/2020 at 05:05 PM

Someone help an old guy out? What is a "Boogaloo boy"?


tbomike - 5/31/2020 at 05:07 PM

quote:
Someone help an old guy out? What is a "Boogaloo boy"?


https://www.npr.org/2020/01/10/795366630/boogaloo-is-the-new-far-right-slan g-for-civil-war


tcatanesi - 5/31/2020 at 05:26 PM

Trump has blood on his stubby-fingered hands.

This country has become a tinderbox under his watch.


tcatanesi - 5/31/2020 at 05:35 PM

quote:
Yeah, he is a real class act.

Spare us these holier-than-thou statements. Walk one day in a black man's shoes and then try again...


pops42 - 5/31/2020 at 06:38 PM

quote:
quote:
Yeah, he is a real class act.

Spare us these holier-than-thou statements. Walk one day in a black man's shoes and then try again...
He has the guts to stand up for what he believes in, and yes he is a class act unlike Veetus.


lukester420 - 5/31/2020 at 06:56 PM

https://youtu.be/girnJH7tvpM

History repeats itself when you don't learn from it.

What is happening right now reminds me of a book title by historian Eric Foner.
Reconstruction: America's Unfinished Revolution 1863-1877. The book makes the point that the Civil rights movements of the 50's and 60's were the next chapter of reconstruction. We are seeing another chapter unfold now.


crazyjoe - 5/31/2020 at 06:58 PM

Could a civilian have thrown a body block on this cop that murdered George Floyd and saved his life?? Or would there be no way?? I see here where a cop forcibly remove the knee of another cop who had his knee on the neck of a protester in Seattle !!!...........Peace......joe

George Floyd Protests Cop Forcibly Removes Fellow Cop's Knee from Protester's Neck

https://flip.it/9E6YHD

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nebish - 5/31/2020 at 07:55 PM

The cop that killed George Floyd is a pig. And the others that let it happen need to face whatever legal charges might apply to them.

The people that rioted and assaulted people, vandalized and destroyed property and businesses are thugs. Doesn't matter color or race. Trash and thugs come in all shapes, sizes and colors.

People can protest. People can be pissed. Yell. Make signs. Fair game.

But just like everything in this country, it gets all fvcked up. You have people doing stuff that don't care about racial injustice to either just promote chaos, act out and intentionally be violent or make other people intentionally look bad. You see peaceful protesters facing police and then from somewhere behind them somebody throws a brick. Yeah, the people in front were fine, but what are the police supposed to do? Let the agitators hide behind them and keep throwing **** ?

Some BLM people get blamed for stuff they didn't do. Some BLM people cause trouble.

How can you ever tell who is doing what? Some really interesting cell phone video out there showing a lot of ugliness, but it shows reality.

There are good people on both sides. There are good cops and there are bad cops. Not everyone in the US military is a saint either. There are bad apples all over. And there are good people in BLM movement. And there are bad ones. I'll take it further, there are good people who want to defend civil war monuments. There are good people who want to take them down. There are not good white supremacists. There are not good domestic terrorists. There are not good anarchists. There are no good rioters.


gina - 5/31/2020 at 08:36 PM

Defence Secretary Esper has military units ready to be deployed if Minnesota Governor Walz wants them. They are on 4 hour notice they must remain ready to go if called. Walz has declined the offer at this point. US National Security Advisor, Robert O'Brien said "we're not going to federalize the Guard [National Guard] at this point".

President Trump has declared Antifa a Domestic Terrorist Organization, acting on information received that people from that organization are in these protests creating violence and chaos.

Many journalists are being shot with rubber bullets by police in Minneapolis and elsewhere. The police in Memphis threatened protesters that they may use "lethal force" against them. Tami Sawyer, field Director of Black Voters Matter is the reporting on that.
Https://www.twitter.com/blackvotersmtr

In Columbus, Ohio a protester holding a sign standing in front of a line of policeman was deliberately shot with rubber bullets by a policeman while the entire line of other cops watched and did nothing afterwards to the officer or to help the young girl. At the 5 hr. Point in the posts at this time.

Https://www.twitter.com/chadloder

In Oakland, California two Federal Protection Services, Department of Homeland Security guards were providing security for the Ronald V Dellums Federal Building at 1301 Clay Street in Oakland a car pulled up and shot them, killing Patrick Underwood and wounding the other officer.

Https://www.kron4.com

Alex Jones of Infowars went to the Austin protest March. HIS ex-wife Kelly Jones said he took the kids with him and it is her weekend for custody visitation. Reported by an ex CIA employee and Iraqi filmmaker Dan Gabriel.
Https://www.twitter.com/danpgabriel

The ex wife is at Https://www.twitter.com/realKellyJones

A NYS Senator handcuffed and sprayed in the NYC protest.
Https://www.twitter.com/Zellnor4NY

Kamala Harris was in the Washington, DC protest march.

The best advice comes from Matt Pearce, Reporter for LA Times

"MAY THE FORCES OF EVIL BECOME CONFUSED ON THE WAY TO YOUR HOUSE"








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[Edited on 5/31/2020 by gina]


gina - 5/31/2020 at 08:55 PM

Https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/george-floyd-protests-police-brutali ty-intensify-live-200530231110124.html

Good coverage.


[Edited on 5/31/2020 by gina]


gina - 5/31/2020 at 09:07 PM

REPORTERS TARGETTED BY COPS AND OR PROTESTERS

Https://www.theguardian.com/us-news-/2020/may/31/george-floyd-protests-repo rters-targeted-by-police-and-crowds

Don't know why there is a problem with link, article is there. Also another resource is the author Michael Safi.
Https://www.twitter.com/safimichael

Tyler Davis USA Today and Des Moines Register
Https://www.twitter.com/TDavisDMR
Https://www.twitter.com/Trevor_Hughes
Https://www.twitter.com/Jordan_Culver


Reuters news crew wearing a PRESS bulletproof vest fired on at point blank range by Minnesota State Patrol. Julio shot in arm and back of neck. His security advisor shot in face. His gas mask protected him. Julio helped back to hotel by 3 other non Reuters reporters.
Julio Cesar Chavez
Https://www.JulioCesrChavez

Molly Hennesy Fiske
Https://www.twitter.com/mollyhf

Michael Anthony Adams VICE News
After trying to shelter in a gas station shouting PRESS multiple times and raising his credentials in the air was thrown to the ground, and held down while another cop came and sprayed him in the face while he was being held down by cop number one.

Https://www.twitter.com/michaeladams317
Website: https://www.michaelanthonyadams.com
Email: michael.adams@vice.com


Tanya Kerssen
Https://www.twitter.com/tkerssen

"The National Guard and MPD shooting paint canisters at us on our own front porch yelling "light 'em up".


Arizona
Max Gordon CBS 5
His security guard attacked during live coverage.
Https://www.twitter.com/Max_Gordon
Https://www.twitter.com/arizonafamily.com

Rudy Rivas
Kim Powell
Https://www.twitter.com/KimPowellTV

David Caltabiano in Scottsdale
Https://www.twitter.com/davidcaltabiano
Email: david.caltabiano@azfamily.com
Cronkite Nation


Allie Malloy CNN
Https://www.twitter.com/alliemalcnn

Paul Farhi Washington Post
Https://www.twitter.com/farhip
Email: farhip@washpost.com


Linda Tirado shot in the eye. Eyeball exploded probably blind for life.
Https://www.twitter.com/killermartinis

Holly Blomberg says shooting people in the eyes is a tactic the IDF uses on Palestinians.
Https://www.twitter.com/hollyblomberg

Lawyers offering free services:

Dallas Texas:
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Austin Texas
Kimbrough Legal
833-553-4251
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Chicago Illinois
Craig T. Campbell
Posted by his girlfriend Courtney
Https://www.twitter.com/K9NO


Reporter Chris Matthias Huff Post arrested in NYC protest march.
Https://www.twitter.com/huffpost.com
Https://www.twitter.com/letsgomathias

Remarks: The press is being deliberately suppressed. On whose orders? It is not just in Minnesota. It is nationwide and they are all using the same methods against the protesters. Observe and discern what's really going on here. The cops are shooting at people in broad daylight while bring filmed. They seem to know nothing will happen to them for doing this. Who is providing this blanket brutality assurance?




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WaitinForRain - 5/31/2020 at 09:13 PM

Kap is a class act
Putting a knee to the turf only offends the ignorant.
He didn't offend me.

Is he supposed to spend 50 years in silence
while the system does a whole lot more nothing?

He used his platform to call attention to an issue
that needed to be genuinely addressed. His knee hurt
nobody.

If the unabated hunting and murder of blacks in
the name of "community policing" had been handled
with more than window-dressing,
George Floyd would still be breathing.

People who are systematically oppressed have a right
to resist. South Africa would still have apartheid if they
all just shut up and sat there.

Are Black people only ok when they entertain you, bigV?
But not when they voice a real issue? Separate and deeply
unequal is ok with you? The cops are always right so who
needs a justice system, that's how you like it?







gina - 6/1/2020 at 12:23 AM

Saturday, Joyce Beatty Congresswoman from Ohio was out there at the protest March in Columbus. She was sprayed too.

Https://www.twitter.com/RepBeatty
Https://www.twitter.com/SG_Hardin
Https://www.twitter.com/KRobPhoto


Sunah Suh said that in Chicago they spent over 100 million dollars on police misconduct settlements in the last budget year.

Https://www.twitter.com/Sunahsuh


Aaron T Greene
Https://www.twitter.com/AJacobGreene

Says that by 2014 $787,000 per year was spent providing battlefield weaponry to police departments. - Glen Ford

US Senator Brian Schatz of Hawaii is introducing a bill as an amendment to the NDAA to discontinue the program that transfers military weapons to local police departments because they do not "train and supervise for restraint and de-escalation and some officers are just plain racist and violent".

Https://www.twitter.com/brianschatz


gina - 6/1/2020 at 12:43 AM

Kashube Nashimi answered the question why don't we just protest like Martin Luther King Jr. Did ?

"The difference is we didn't burn down the very source of our economic empowerment. If we don't own anything we will continue to be ghettoized and shunned. Instead of destroying we need to make economic decisions that really effect change. Boycotts work, class action lawsuits work. "

Https://www.twitter.com/Kashubenashimi


John F. Kennedy said "those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable".

Martin Luther King Jr. March 14,1968 said these things

"It is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without at the time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard".

Remarks: People need to be heard. Allowing anarchists to burn your cities and have it blamed on you to keep you down in poverty is not acceptable. There has to be some humanity. The footage in Daniel Newman's feed shows the fear people still have.

Https://www.twitter.com/DanielNewman40

The cop gave the release command to the K9 when he felt like it. The arrestee was already handcuffed there was no reason to fo that, and the other cop threatens the woman with a taser if she intervenes. It happened in April this year.


gina - 6/1/2020 at 02:13 AM

Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner says George Floyd will be returned to Houston "this is the same city that George Floyd grew up in and his body will be returning to this city, and so the focus needs to be on supporting and uplifting his family."

Https://www.nypost.com/2020/05/31/george-floyds-body-will-be-returned-to-ho uston-mayor-says


Meanwhile the protests continue for another night in all the places where they have been.


nebish - 6/1/2020 at 02:36 AM

Bad things come in three's some say.

Coronavirus

Apocalyptic Riots

?


BIGV - 6/1/2020 at 02:38 AM

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Kap takes a PEACEFUL knee to the turf and the NFL and MAGA (maggot) fans everywhere go all Entitlement and the guy is blackballed.


The very same "Kap" who has encouraged the violence and looting taking place around the country?...and has then offered to pay the legal defense of the people who are torching their own neighborhoods?

Yeah, he is a real class act.

^Stands up for everyones right to their opinion. Unless the person expressing the opinion happens to be a person of color or liberal. Your thin blue line brotherhood of protecting corrupt pigs caused this situation, not an athlete who stood up (or kneeled) for his beliefs.


[Edited on 5/31/2020 by lukester420]

[Edited on 5/31/2020 by lukester420]


Edited ..TWICE...mmmm...Embarrassed? Quote: "Your thin blue line brotherhood of protecting corrupt pigs caused this situation"..Are you referring to me? if you are he is my UN-EDITED statement from earlier in the same thread: "I hope they prosecute that Cop to the fullest extent of the law and throw him in a cage with some animals who are thoroughly aware of what he has done. This is the way Police are trained to handle situations, CONTROL. It has nothing to do with enforcing and knowing the law or statutes, it's about control and escalation when their authority is questioned in even the slightest way. Being a "club" they back each other without question, which is exactly what happened here. The first defense thrown out was that Mr. Floyd "resisted arrest" which if you've watched all of the video available is pure bullsh^t. The Cop is a criminal who committed murder while his "brother" cops just stood there and let it happen. Disgusting and I don't blame the community for reacting the way they have. Enough is enough and it's about time police training evolved past control and took longer than the amount of time it takes to become a hairstylist"

Tell me how this view shows ANY support for the men in blue?

quote:
Stands up for everyones right to their opinion. Unless the person expressing the opinion happens to be a person of color or liberal


I do stand up for everyone's right to their opinion and will continue to do so. It has zero to do with color or political affiliation and has EVERYTHING to do with just disagreeing. Simple disagreement with a belief or view point. What it is about this you don't get?

Yes or No?... Has Colin K spoken out against the violence and looting?...Some "Leader"! If you really can not discern between peaceful protest and criminal behavior, YOU are the problem. Show up in a peaceful manner armed to the teeth at a state capitol and harm no one and you're an a^^hole, go out into the streets burn down your own neighborhood, set fire to the businesses of hard working people and you are a hero.

Let me ask you a question. The people (Regardless of race or color) who've taken to the streets to loot, pillage and burn under the banner of "revolt" do you believe them to be Liberals or Conservatives?


nebish - 6/1/2020 at 03:07 AM

About 500 attended a protest in downtown Youngstown today. After it was over, about 150 stayed. They broke windows at a community college and the United Way Building. The United Way. Yeah, good idea, vandalize them. More responsible protesters among them were able to get the trouble makers to stop.


lukester420 - 6/1/2020 at 04:10 AM

[Quote]

Edited ..TWICE...mmmm...Embarrassed? Quote: "Your thin blue line brotherhood of protecting corrupt pigs caused this situation"..Are you referring to me? if you are he is my UN-EDITED statement from earlier in the same thread: "I hope they prosecute that Cop to the fullest extent of the law and throw him in a cage with some animals who are thoroughly aware of what he has done. This is the way Police are trained to handle situations, CONTROL. It has nothing to do with enforcing and knowing the law or statutes, it's about control and escalation when their authority is questioned in even the slightest way. Being a "club" they back each other without question, which is exactly what happened here. The first defense thrown out was that Mr. Floyd "resisted arrest" which if you've watched all of the video available is pure bullsh^t. The Cop is a criminal who committed murder while his "brother" cops just stood there and let it happen. Disgusting and I don't blame the community for reacting the way they have. Enough is enough and it's about time police training evolved past control and took longer than the amount of time it takes to become a hairstylist"

Tell me how this view shows ANY support for the men in blue?

quote:
Stands up for everyones right to their opinion. Unless the person expressing the opinion happens to be a person of color or liberal


I do stand up for everyone's right to their opinion and will continue to do so. It has zero to do with color or political affiliation and has EVERYTHING to do with just disagreeing. Simple disagreement with a belief or view point. What it is about this you don't get?

Yes or No?... Has Colin K spoken out against the violence and looting?...Some "Leader"! If you really can not discern between peaceful protest and criminal behavior, YOU are the problem. Show up in a peaceful manner armed to the teeth at a state capitol and harm no one and you're an a^^hole, go out into the streets burn down your own neighborhood, set fire to the businesses of hard working people and you are a hero.

Let me ask you a question. The people (Regardless of race or color) who've taken to the streets to loot, pillage and burn under the banner of "revolt" do you believe them to be Liberals or Conservatives?


I edited the post because i called you a nazi sympathizer then thought better of it, why let another thread get turned into your personal proving ground, but apparently this place is your only stimulation these days so congratulations, another BIIIIIIGV ALLCAPS THREAD!!!!!

You still clearly don't get it. Your original post glossed over the root cause of everything because you often sympathize with racists. You also conviniently did not quote yourself when you talked about that thin blue line that to you justifies the pig gang mentality. No one engaged until you decided to express your disapproval of American citizen, Colin Kaepernick exercising his first amendment right.

If you'd been following along you would have had an answer to that last question, extremists and anarchists are the looters and pillagers. Good job dodging all the other questions with more questions though, I think I'll ignore some of your questions.

Keep crapping all over the thread if you want, but you aren't worth my time. As far as I'm concerned every one of your posts is nothing but an old lady fart in a little redneck bubble in the desert. Have fun being a keyboard warrior some of us here actually practice what we preach, when we go out in the world.


BIGV - 6/1/2020 at 05:03 AM

quote:
No one engaged until you decided to express your disapproval of American citizen, Colin Kaepernick exercising his first amendment right.


Let me see if I can elaborate so even you can grasp the basic concept of what it means to respect the the first amendment, understand what is being said, agree with ones right to say it, all while disagreeing with the point being made.

Never mind.


crazyjoe - 6/1/2020 at 12:00 PM

quote:
About 500 attended a protest in downtown Youngstown today. After it was over, about 150 stayed. They broke windows at a community college and the United Way Building. The United Way. Yeah, good idea, vandalize them. More responsible protesters among them were able to get the trouble makers to stop.


Very cool that You went to see for Yourself nebish! You must be a 30 yr old Triathlete Allman Brothers Fan?? There were several in my area that to my knowledge were peaceful.............joe

Sheesh neb, its early I assumed You were there, in rereading I gather maybe You wasn't? Either way, it's early. 2 friends of mine, 1 a Filipino cat, attended a KKK rally in Toledo, 20 yrs ago during their racial unrest, just to actually see. They got there early stood back and watched. They watched and swear that police actions seemingly intentionally stoked the fires and frictions and the police subversively were the real instigators in the riot that ensued? I guess to make both sides look bad?

[Edited on 6/1/2020 by crazyjoe]


Rusty - 6/1/2020 at 01:35 PM

quote:
Seems the majority of problem "protesters" were from out of town.

I wonder if they left their maga hats at home?



I'd love to find that this notion was true. "Outside agitators" - people coming to large cities ... from where? - to contribute to THAT city's problems. White supremacists spurring on and exhorting local crowds? You have no idea how much I want to buy this lock, stock and barrel - but (at least, so far) there's no evidence to support this. Most all of those arrested have local drivers licenses etc.

My own personal distrust of the media comes from an entire different direction that that of Donald Trump. I do feel that certain media outlets have an agenda - some more agreeable and saner than others. I just haven't bought into the idea that people are traveling to other cities just to stir the racial stew pot. Opinion here - that's all. Peace.


nebish - 6/1/2020 at 01:43 PM

I was not there, that was local news reporting.

City councilman who was part of the protest said some of the people that stayed after seemed to just want to cause trouble and didn't appear to be from the area. You hear a lot of that. A Colorado cop was targeted and got run over by a car with Wyoming plates. Car plates can be a tip, but unless you arrest people and get their IDs I don't know how you can really know. In a small protest we had here with the organizers being familiar with most of the active figures, they might get a sense who is who. In a big gathering of thousands who do you know?

The protest organizer at the beginning said they were going to do what they want, but they were going to be peaceful and nondestructive. The few people that vandalized later were different and not part of the organized groups message and effort.

There is so much BS to try and sort through in all of these protests that spiral into riots and destruction and assaults. I think we all have a sense of what is going on. So many people with so many different agendas. How far and deep does it go? How many threats and provactions made online actually get carried out by the people making those threats? All they have to do is flood social media with what they intend (or say they intend to do) then if it happens that is who did it, right? Or not? How many of the people making the treats are actually who they say they are (white nationalists pretending to be antifa...anarchists pretending to be white nationalists, blackbloc pretending to be BLM)? Do the protesters instigate the cops...do the cops instigate the protesters? How much latitude do you give protesters before cops react and restrain? How much latitude do you give the cops in their reaction and restraining?

I am on the side of principled yet peaceful nondestructive protesters. And I am on the side of law enforcement trying to protect life, property and maintain civil control. Everyone else get the F out.


BIGV - 6/1/2020 at 02:22 PM

quote:
White supremacists spurring on and exhorting local crowds? You have no idea how much I want to buy this lock, stock and barrel - but (at least, so far) there's no evidence to support this. Most all of those arrested have local drivers licenses etc.


Since when does one need to be a "White supremacist" to be a fool? Idiots with no sense of right and wrong or judgement come in all shapes, sizes and colors and vote on both sides of the fence.

Just to illustrate how people look at things differently through the same pair of glasses my feeling is that the individuals who've chosen to be out and who are acting out violently are Democrats who truly hope their actions and the results from will be blamed on the President.


BIGV - 6/1/2020 at 02:25 PM

quote:
There is so much BS to try and sort through in all of these protests that spiral into riots and destruction and assaults.


Any behavior that results in violence, destruction and assault can never be perceived as "protest"....


quote:
I am on the side of principled yet peaceful nondestructive protesters. And I am on the side of law enforcement trying to protect life, property and maintain civil control. Everyone else get the F out.


Amen


cyclone88 - 6/1/2020 at 02:27 PM

quote:
Bad things come in three's some say.

Coronavirus

Apocalyptic Riots

?


Massive Unemployment/Economic Collapse is my guess.


crazyjoe - 6/1/2020 at 02:38 PM

quote:
quote:
White supremacists spurring on and exhorting local crowds? You have no idea how much I want to buy this lock, stock and barrel - but (at least, so far) there's no evidence to support this. Most all of those arrested have local drivers licenses etc.


Since when does one need to be a "White supremacist" to be a fool? Idiots with no sense of right and wrong or judgement come in all shapes, sizes and colors and vote on both sides of the fence.

Just to illustrate how people look at things differently through the same pair of glasses my feeling is that the individuals who've chosen to be out and who are acting out violently are Democrats who truly hope their actions and the results from will be blamed on the President.


I think Republicans as a rule, oppressive towards lower income folks and minorities, they are greed based and conniving, they tend to be be very fraudulent and deceitful, their political party draws in criminal, cheats and liars............other than that they are not bad...........Peace.......joe


cyclone88 - 6/1/2020 at 02:47 PM

quote:
I'd love to find that this notion was true. "Outside agitators" - people coming to large cities ... from where? - to contribute to THAT city's problems. White supremacists spurring on and exhorting local crowds? You have no idea how much I want to buy this lock, stock and barrel - but (at least, so far) there's no evidence to support this. Most all of those arrested have local drivers licenses etc.

Some outside groups - particularly white supremacists - plan rallies & counter-rallies to events. The driver James Alex Fields Jr who was convicted of plowing his car into a group of 30 protesters in Charlottesville & killing Heather Heyer was from Ohio. He had driven to Charlottesville for the express purpose of participating in white supremacist actions there.

As to what's going on throughout the country now, the best evidence is what police arrests & hospital injured report regarding out-of-state IDs & license plates. The earliest estimates from Minnesota were that 20% of arrests were of people coming from out-of-state. This may be one of those topics that is only officially reported in hindsight.


cyclone88 - 6/1/2020 at 03:03 PM

Where are the remaining 3 ex-cops? We are 7 days in & only 1 arrest has made - that of Kevin Chauvin. The case was transferred to the MN AG office yesterday because there's a lack of confidence in the local Hennepin County prosecutors. No surprise there.

If Minneapolis is burning, then those 3 ex-cops should be in custody. Without an arrest warrant, they could flee anywhere & they're high risk candidates to do so. The 3 of them make better targets for outrage than a neighborhood Target. They're been shown a lot more mercy that George Floyd was.


Rusty - 6/1/2020 at 03:39 PM

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Where are the remaining 3 ex-cops? We are 7 days in & only 1 arrest has made - that of Kevin Chauvin. The case was transferred to the MN AG office yesterday because there's a lack of confidence in the local Hennepin County prosecutors. No surprise there.

If Minneapolis is burning, then those 3 ex-cops should be in custody. Without an arrest warrant, they could flee anywhere & they're high risk candidates to do so. The 3 of them make better targets for outrage than a neighborhood Target. They're been shown a lot more mercy that George Floyd was.




I honestly believe that reeling in the other 3 - then, upgrading the charge on the original to Murder I might go along way towards quelling the unrest.


crazyjoe - 6/1/2020 at 03:58 PM

quote:
quote:
I'd love to find that this notion was true. "Outside agitators" - people coming to large cities ... from where? - to contribute to THAT city's problems. White supremacists spurring on and exhorting local crowds? You have no idea how much I want to buy this lock, stock and barrel - but (at least, so far) there's no evidence to support this. Most all of those arrested have local drivers licenses etc.

Some outside groups - particularly white supremacists - plan rallies & counter-rallies to events. The driver James Alex Fields Jr who was convicted of plowing his car into a group of 30 protesters in Charlottesville & killing Heather Heyer was from Ohio. He had driven to Charlottesville for the express purpose of participating in white supremacist actions there.

As to what's going on throughout the country now, the best evidence is what police arrests & hospital injured report regarding out-of-state IDs & license plates. The earliest estimates from Minnesota were that 20% of arrests were of people coming from out-of-state. This may be one of those topics that is only officially reported in hindsight.


This is exactly right, for the last 60 yrs, who has planned, plotted and executed activities designed to bring about the fall and collapse of the U.S. government??? It's not the impoverished minorities, I can tell You that!!! Why it's our idolized fighters for justice, our heroes like Randy Weaver and the Aryan Brotherhood??......joe


tbomike - 6/1/2020 at 04:13 PM

The usual bs about outside agitators. Which of course there are some but the actual evidence of this is sorely lacking.



Officials blame 'out-of-state' agitators but those at the heart of protests are homegrown

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/05/31/george-floyd- protest-agitators-mostly-homegrown-not-outsiders/5300362002/

But it’s not true. The overwhelming majority of people who posted on social media from the precinct fire and those arrested Friday night at the protests in the Twin Cities live in the area, according to USA TODAY's review of police jail records and more than 100,000 tweets.

In an analysis of more than 1,800 Twitter users who posted from within a 3-mile radius of the precinct fire on Thursday, 85% had a history of posting inside the greater Minneapolis area before George Floyd’s death. The data – which represent only a fraction of protesters and could include some people who were not directly involved – indicate most live or work nearby, not out of state.

And

t. Paul Mayor Melvin Carter claimed Saturday morning that "every single person" arrested in his city the night before had been from out of state. Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz reiterated the idea that the troublemakers were outsiders: His "best estimate," he said, was that "about 80 percent" of the rioters were from elsewhere. Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey warned that "white supremacists, members of organized crime, out of state instigators, and possibly even foreign actors" were trying "to destroy and destabilize our city and our region." President Donald Trump didn't agree with Frey's list of culprits—"It's ANTIFA and the Radical Left," he proclaimed—but he grabbed hold of the governor's number, tweeting as a settled fact that "80% of the RIOTERS in Minneapolis last night were from OUT OF STATE."

the end of the day, those figures had fallen apart. KSTP-TV reported that St. Paul had seen 18 civil unrest arrests from Thursday through Saturday morning; just four of the arrestees were clearly from out of state, with two more of uncertain origins. In Minneapolis too, the vast majority of the people arrested were in-state. St. Paul's mayor soon conceded that he had given out bad information, and by Saturday evening KARE-TV was reporting that the governor "declined to repeat" his 80 percent claim. (KARE also pushed back, less conclusively, against Frey's list of villains: "Of those arrested from out of state, only one had a Facebook page [with] clearly identifiable support of white supremacy.")

Now, that still leaves enough gaps in the evidence to keep the outside-agitator story alive if you really like it. After all, you can project pretty much anything you want onto the masked rioters who weren't arrested. Some of those projections may even turn out to be true, or half-true, or related in some familial way to truth.

But mostly they'll be wishful thinking.




tcatanesi - 6/1/2020 at 04:36 PM

Trump fiddles while the U.S. burns.


cyclone88 - 6/1/2020 at 05:05 PM

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I honestly believe that reeling in the other 3 - then, upgrading the charge on the original to Murder I might go along way towards quelling the unrest.


Totally agree. Upgrading the charge & transferring Chauvin's prosecution to the MN AG is the 1st step - despite taking 7 dates. Having those 3 at large this long is unsettling. It would demonstrate not that government is just talking, but they're taking the case seriously & acting swiftly to ensure those 3 will not "walk" for their part in the murder.


BrerRabbit - 6/1/2020 at 05:31 PM

Out of state is misleading - I know that area pretty well. The suburbs and outlying towns around Minneapolis are a practically a different country, predominantly white, while Minneapolis has a concentration of minorities. I could easily see how whites from outside Minneapolis who have long chafed at the strange and threatening brown city at the heart of their empire would take this opportunity to drive the half hour to go and help destroy the place.


cyclone88 - 6/1/2020 at 05:52 PM

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Out of state is misleading

Granted, I've only been there about 5 times, but are there any out of state suburbs - like in WI, IA, & the Dakotas? I totally get that out-of-city might be included in stats, but if published reports are relying on license plates & DLs, they'd be from another state.

Legit question. NYC's suburbs include NJ & CT & I wouldn't classify them as outside agitators.


porkchopbob - 6/1/2020 at 06:02 PM

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Out of state is misleading

Granted, I've only been there about 5 times, but are there any out of state suburbs - like in WI, IA, & the Dakotas? I totally get that out-of-city might be included in stats, but if published reports are relying on license plates & DLs, they'd be from another state.

Legit question. NYC's suburbs include NJ & CT & I wouldn't classify them as outside agitators.

The Minneapolis metro area is too far from Iowa and the Dakotas. WI is very close, but the twin cities don't sprawl across the state line except for maybe 2 rural WI counties that are part of the "metro area". But I doubt that affects the stats.


MartinD28 - 6/1/2020 at 06:13 PM

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I honestly believe that reeling in the other 3 - then, upgrading the charge on the original to Murder I might go along way towards quelling the unrest.


Totally agree. Upgrading the charge & transferring Chauvin's prosecution to the MN AG is the 1st step - despite taking 7 dates. Having those 3 at large this long is unsettling. It would demonstrate not that government is just talking, but they're taking the case seriously & acting swiftly to ensure those 3 will not "walk" for their part in the murder.


Agree on charges being brought against the 3 additional cops.

I have seen several legal analysts indicate that upgrading Chauvin's charges from 3 to 1 may make a conviction harder based upon intent. It may make people feel better based on charging, but the goal is to put him away. One legal analyst indicated that once in the big house murder is murder. Not sure about the number of years difference in one charge vs another, but Chauvin is toast.


MartinD28 - 6/1/2020 at 06:18 PM

We had riots & destruction in my city last couple nights. The chief of police said he has credible evidence and intel that much of this is being instigated by outsiders. They are looking to go after these people.


cyclone88 - 6/1/2020 at 06:23 PM

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Agree on charges being brought against the 3 additional cops.

I have seen several legal analysts indicate that upgrading Chauvin's charges from 3 to 1 may make a conviction harder based upon intent. It may make people feel better based on charging, but the goal is to put him away. One legal analyst indicated that once in the big house murder is murder. Not sure about the number of years difference in one charge vs another, but Chauvin is toast.


In MN, 1st degree is life v. 25 years for 3rd. When I read the original charge, it seemed appropriate. The inclusion of lesser charges like manslaughter is risky, too, because it gives the jury an option if the prosecution can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Bumping up the charge was probably a PR move to look serious. People watch too much TV & think 1st degree is magically more serious; it just may not apply

I know I've been going on about the 3 other ex-cops but it's been a week. Get them into custody.


Stephen - 6/1/2020 at 06:28 PM

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I honestly believe that reeling in the other 3 - then, upgrading the charge on the original to Murder I might go along way towards quelling the unrest.


Totally agree. Upgrading the charge & transferring Chauvin's prosecution to the MN AG is the 1st step - despite taking 7 dates. Having those 3 at large this long is unsettling. It would demonstrate not that government is just talking, but they're taking the case seriously & acting swiftly to ensure those 3 will not "walk" for their part in the murder.


Agree on charges being brought against the 3 additional cops.

I have seen several legal analysts indicate that upgrading Chauvin's charges from 3 to 1 may make a conviction harder based upon intent. It may make people feel better based on charging, but the goal is to put him away. One legal analyst indicated that once in the big house murder is murder. Not sure about the number of years difference in one charge vs another, but Chauvin is toast.


Not necessarily, the 4 cops who beat up Rodney King were acquitted
Just hoping the Thursday funeral will serve to calm things down & not be a powderkeg


cyclone88 - 6/1/2020 at 06:32 PM

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We had riots & destruction in my city last couple nights. The chief of police said he has credible evidence and intel that much of this is being instigated by outsiders. They are looking to go after these people.


Any indication of whether the outsiders are white supremacists making their rounds or Antifa? I've learned just saying "outside" has some people immediately blaming Antifa - "those radical left." I feel like I'm back in time hearing about the SDS/weathermen again.


porkchopbob - 6/1/2020 at 06:48 PM

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In MN, 1st degree is life v. 25 years for 3rd. When I read the original charge, it seemed appropriate. The inclusion of lesser charges like manslaughter is risky, too, because it gives the jury an option if the prosecution can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Bumping up the charge was probably a PR move to look serious. People watch too much TV & think 1st degree is magically more serious; it just may not apply

It has to do with intent, 3rd degree murder in MN is categorized as murder "without intent". First degree requires intent to kill, and recent reports suggest Chauvin knew Floyd since they both worked security at the same night club.

https://www.newsweek.com/george-floyd-attorney-calls-first-degree-murder-ch arge-against-derek-chauvin-says-officer-knew-1507683

Even if they didn't know each other, purposefully crushing a man's neck for minutes after he has gone unconscious looks intentional to me. Here is a breakdown of the entire incident:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/george-floyd-investigation.html


MartinD28 - 6/1/2020 at 06:56 PM

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We had riots & destruction in my city last couple nights. The chief of police said he has credible evidence and intel that much of this is being instigated by outsiders. They are looking to go after these people.


Any indication of whether the outsiders are white supremacists making their rounds or Antifa? I've learned just saying "outside" has some people immediately blaming Antifa - "those radical left." I feel like I'm back in time hearing about the SDS/weathermen again.


No indication on detail of outsiders. I worked with the chief many years ago when he was in Information Systems long before he changed careers. He always was a stand up guy. One of the most decent & capable people I've worked with.

Maybe you want to direct your question to Trump because he's already made up his mind. Has he even mentioned white supremacists?

By Jessica Suerth | CNN
As protests over George Floyd’s death spread across the country, officials have blamed the violent nature of some demonstrations on members of a controversial group known as Antifa.

President Donald Trump on Sunday said the United States would designate Antifa a terrorist organization, though the federal government has no legal authority to label a wholly domestic group the way it designates foreign terrorist organizations.

Speaking at the Kennedy Space Center on Saturday, Trump said the recent “violence and vandalism” seen across the country “is being led by Antifa and other radical left-wing groups who are terrorizing the innocent, destroying jobs, hurting businesses and burning down buildings.”

The President did not provide any evidence for his assertion.


MartinD28 - 6/1/2020 at 07:03 PM

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I honestly believe that reeling in the other 3 - then, upgrading the charge on the original to Murder I might go along way towards quelling the unrest.


Totally agree. Upgrading the charge & transferring Chauvin's prosecution to the MN AG is the 1st step - despite taking 7 dates. Having those 3 at large this long is unsettling. It would demonstrate not that government is just talking, but they're taking the case seriously & acting swiftly to ensure those 3 will not "walk" for their part in the murder.


Agree on charges being brought against the 3 additional cops.

I have seen several legal analysts indicate that upgrading Chauvin's charges from 3 to 1 may make a conviction harder based upon intent. It may make people feel better based on charging, but the goal is to put him away. One legal analyst indicated that once in the big house murder is murder. Not sure about the number of years difference in one charge vs another, but Chauvin is toast.


Not necessarily, the 4 cops who beat up Rodney King were acquitted
Just hoping the Thursday funeral will serve to calm things down & not be a powderkeg


I'd be shocked if you see a repeeat of Rodney King or many of the other similar cases. Chauvin & friends will go down. If not, what you have seen in the last week will look like the minor leagues.

I truly believe the culture will change from the events of the last few months & with a new President who will not egg on cops & violence. Look at Trump's words over the last 3 years & in the last week.

No calming press conference as of yet from this prez. However today he blames the governors. As usual, blaming is his greatest attribute as "a leader".


2112 - 6/1/2020 at 07:11 PM

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Let me ask you a question. The people (Regardless of race or color) who've taken to the streets to loot, pillage and burn under the banner of "revolt" do you believe them to be Liberals or Conservatives?


Honestly, I think most of those who loot and burn are neither. I think those who loot are opportunist criminals who find the protests as a chance to take advantage of police being overwhelmed. I think the vast majority of those burning buildings are anarchist who hate everybody and would like to destroy all government, regardless of who is in charge. I doubt either of these groups put any thought into politics, and I highly doubt that most have ever voted in their entire life.


porkchopbob - 6/1/2020 at 08:02 PM

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Honestly, I think most of those who loot and burn are neither. I think those who loot are opportunist criminals who find the protests as a chance to take advantage of police being overwhelmed. I think the vast majority of those burning buildings are anarchist who hate everybody and would like to destroy all government, regardless of who is in charge. I doubt either of these groups put any thought into politics, and I highly doubt that most have ever voted in their entire life.

This is spot on, I agree.


adhill58 - 6/1/2020 at 08:22 PM

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Honestly, I think most of those who loot and burn are neither. I think those who loot are opportunist criminals who find the protests as a chance to take advantage of police being overwhelmed. I think the vast majority of those burning buildings are anarchist who hate everybody and would like to destroy all government, regardless of who is in charge. I doubt either of these groups put any thought into politics, and I highly doubt that most have ever voted in their entire life.

This is spot on, I agree.


Agree also. Plus a very large number of the people who are not looting, but out in the streets to protest have probably never voted and pay very little attention to what the political parties are about. They have grown up knowing they are screwed no matter who is in power. When you are the poorest of the poor, you stay poor. It's really hard to get out. This applies to people living in inner city ghettos and hillbilly trailer parks. Politicians and elections are way down on their list of worries. They are not liberal or conservative... they are just vulnerable and powerless in a lot of ways.


piacere - 6/1/2020 at 08:23 PM

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Honestly, I think most of those who loot and burn are neither. I think those who loot are opportunist criminals who find the protests as a chance to take advantage of police being overwhelmed. I think the vast majority of those burning buildings are anarchist who hate everybody and would like to destroy all government, regardless of who is in charge. I doubt either of these groups put any thought into politics, and I highly doubt that most have ever voted in their entire life.

This is spot on, I agree.


X2. Every word.


lukester420 - 6/1/2020 at 08:41 PM

Minneapolis has history of these cops getting away with murder literally and figuratively but that doesn't matter to the pigs and their supporters. The Chief of the Police Union up there has started to stir the pot even more labeling Floyd as a "violent criminal".
He is one of those types that favors mass incarceration and systemic oppression over rehabilitation.


https://www.insider.com/president-minneapolis-police-union-wore-white-power -patch-lawsuit-2020-5

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/01/bob-kroll-george-floyd-minn eapolis-police-union-chief


gina - 6/2/2020 at 01:31 AM

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Trump fiddles while the U.S. burns.


He "ain't wastin' time no more"...after being sent to the bunker in the White House for his own safety 2 out of the last four days and after discussion with General Milley and Mark Esper he announced he will stop the rioting. If the Governors and Mayors cannot do it, he will deploy the military and do it for them.

Each night things are worse in every city. He has to do this.

Https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-he-will-use-military-to-put-down-riot s-235749948.html

It is so bad on Florida, Polk County Police Chief Grady Judd tells citizens to shoot the people trying to break in their homes.

"If you try to break into their houses to steal, to set fires,I'm highly recommending they blow you back out of the house with their guns. So leave the community alone. "

NYC disaster. Protest tonight starts at 10 pm. We are supposed to be on lockdown meaning people are home and stay there by 8 pm. The Mayors daughter was out there over the weekend and was arrested. So he is not enforcing anything. The Governor has to deal with the coronavirus. It is just bad.

I have a report from Rome, NY and Utica NY, the Walmarts closed because someone threatened to shoot people in the stores and or parking lots. Rome has the air force base.

The NYC protesters want to come out to Long Island also. I'm not into martial law. All these other places look at what has happened. The anarchists have hijacked national empathy for their own agenda. Riots are not a form of peaceful assembly or a way to change anything.







[Edited on 6/2/2020 by gina]


PhotoRon286 - 6/2/2020 at 01:44 AM

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Trump fiddles while the U.S. burns.


He "ain't wastin' time no more"...after being sent to the bunker in the White House for his own safety 2 out of the last four days and after discussion with General Milley and Mark Esper he announced he will stop the rioting. If the Governors and Mayors cannot do it, he will deploy the military and do it for them.

Each night things are worse in every city. He has to do this.

Https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-he-will-use-military-to-put-down-riot s-235749948.html

It is so bad on Florida, Polk County Police Chief Grady Judd tells citizens to shoot the people trying to break in their homes.

"If you try to break into their houses to steal, to set fires,I'm highly recommending they blow you back out of the house with their guns. So leave the community alone. "

NYC disaster. Protest tonight starts at 10 pm. We are supposed to be on lockdown meaning people are home and stay there by 8 pm. The Mayors daughter was out there over the weekend and was arrested. So he is not enforcing anything. The Governor has to deal with the coronavirus. It is just bad.




Leave it to you to condone trump's illegal actions.


gina - 6/2/2020 at 01:52 AM

I have seen so much horror over the last week. People being brutalized by cops while in demonstrations, reporters being deliberately targeted. What is the resolution to these things?

The cops shoot reporters, anarchists antagonize cops, innocent people are getting hurt, fires everywhere.

How can this be resolved?

I don't want to see Jade Helm on Americas streets.


nebish - 6/2/2020 at 02:20 AM

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Says that by 2014 $787,000 per year was spent providing battlefield weaponry to police departments. - Glen Ford

US Senator Brian Schatz of Hawaii is introducing a bill as an amendment to the NDAA to discontinue the program that transfers military weapons to local police departments because they do not "train and supervise for restraint and de-escalation and some officers are just plain racist and violent".


All these years questioning why police departments are militarizing their forces...isn't this the prime example why they have done it? This is the exact moment they have obtained that stuff for. Glad they have it.


nebish - 6/2/2020 at 02:30 AM

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This is exactly right, for the last 60 yrs, who has planned, plotted and executed activities designed to bring about the fall and collapse of the U.S. government??? It's not the impoverished minorities, I can tell You that!!! Why it's our idolized fighters for justice, our heroes like Randy Weaver and the Aryan Brotherhood??......joe


Oh come on. yeah...the earth liberation front...WTO protests in Seattle 20 years ago...the Occupy movement was hijacked in a similar way that BLM is seeing now. We've already had one mention of the SDS/Weather Underground.

Sure, there are the Timothy McViegh's the Randy Weavers out there.

Anyone who focuses on one side of the extremist spectrum while ignoring the other has an agenda. Be that members here or in the White House.


nebish - 6/2/2020 at 02:34 AM

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Trump fiddles while the U.S. burns.


Would you actually prefer he gave an address?

You wouldn't agree with his words or proposed actions, so then isn't the better alternative is he doesn't address the nation?

Sure, a normal President would do what normal Presidents do. When Trump talks he normally makes things worse...so I suspect you would be happier if he keeps fiddling.


nebish - 6/2/2020 at 02:37 AM

I don't know the answer for media members being targeted by police.

They should probably embed some teams behind the police lines like they do overseas to keep them safe. Anyone on the other side in an area the police are trying to move on and clear need to get out the way. I've seen cameramen directly in front of police lines when they are trying to advance, get out of the damn way!


nebish - 6/2/2020 at 02:41 AM

From tbomike:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/05/31/george-floyd- protest-agitators-mostly-homegrown-not-outsiders/5300362002/

Just goes to show...you can't hardly trust anything coming from anyone.


Jerry - 6/2/2020 at 02:42 AM

Last night in Atlanta news crews from all the stations were out in force and broadcasting live from where the protests were taking place.
a little after 9 PM, the main force of protesters left the areas and the stations were broadcasting about how the protests had gone (reasonably peaceful except for a few incidents).
Then the fun began. some "protesters" came out carrying jugs of water and milk, fully masked, some in gas masks, and gloved.
channel 46 broadcast continuous coverage on one group that the reporter described as "playing chicken with the national Guard troops". they would advance and hide, responded directions to disperse with taunts, made any attempt to antagonize the police and troops.
The police advanced on the ATVs and more dispersed, and some decided to keep at their game.
some were arrested as the police and troops rounded up and cleared the area.
Andrew Young came on, I think, WSB and talked about how outsiders were the problem and named white supremacists as the main agitators. Funny as that those you could see their skin color weren't white.

I do agree that outsiders are the main problem, not locals. The locals, except for a few, went home before the curfew fell in place,
Antifa, could be part of the problem, but so could any other group of anarchists or just a bunch of folks gone cabin crazy and decided that this would be a good time to get back at "whoever" the flavor of the month is.

Protest is fine. It's part of why this country was founded. When protest turns to looting, burning, assault on others, and general mayhem like the threats on Walmart shoppers shown in a post above, then it does become domestic terrorism.


nebish - 6/2/2020 at 02:44 AM

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Leave it to you to condone trump's illegal actions.


Illegal actions? Or his reckless suggestions? There is a difference technically.


nebish - 6/2/2020 at 02:52 AM

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Last night in Atlanta news crews from all the stations were out in force and broadcasting live from where the protests were taking place.
a little after 9 PM, the main force of protesters left the areas and the stations were broadcasting about how the protests had gone (reasonably peaceful except for a few incidents).
Then the fun began. some "protesters" came out carrying jugs of water and milk, fully masked, some in gas masks, and gloved.
channel 46 broadcast continuous coverage on one group that the reporter described as "playing chicken with the national Guard troops". they would advance and hide, responded directions to disperse with taunts, made any attempt to antagonize the police and troops.
The police advanced on the ATVs and more dispersed, and some decided to keep at their game.
some were arrested as the police and troops rounded up and cleared the area.
Andrew Young came on, I think, WSB and talked about how outsiders were the problem and named white supremacists as the main agitators. Funny as that those you could see their skin color weren't white.

I do agree that outsiders are the main problem, not locals. The locals, except for a few, went home before the curfew fell in place,
Antifa, could be part of the problem, but so could any other group of anarchists or just a bunch of folks gone cabin crazy and decided that this would be a good time to get back at "whoever" the flavor of the month is.

Protest is fine. It's part of why this country was founded. When protest turns to looting, burning, assault on others, and general mayhem like the threats on Walmart shoppers shown in a post above, then it does become domestic terrorism.


Much of the white supremacist speculation comes from online threats.

So much happening and we see so little. But from what I have seen the trouble makers are either black or white hipster looking types. I'm not going to draw any conclusions from that except that a white nationalist stereotype they do not fit. At the same time I am going to completely accept that every and any bad actor in the US ready and willing to instigate civil unrest is playing a role in this.

Bottom line, anyone, regardless of group affiliation, race or sex, if they are breaking the law they need apprehended and charged with applicable crimes. but the police and guard can only be so many places and do so much. Maybe the protesters need to better police themselves. Maybe some of these agitators should get some spray paint in their faces. Maybe some of these arsonists should get trapped in the buildings they are burning. Maybe some of these brick throwers should have their knees taken out.


crazyjoe - 6/2/2020 at 02:55 AM

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This is exactly right, for the last 60 yrs, who has planned, plotted and executed activities designed to bring about the fall and collapse of the U.S. government??? It's not the impoverished minorities, I can tell You that!!! Why it's our idolized fighters for justice, our heroes like Randy Weaver and the Aryan Brotherhood??......joe


Oh come on. yeah...the earth liberation front...WTO protests in Seattle 20 years ago...the Occupy movement was hijacked in a similar way that BLM is seeing now. We've already had one mention of the SDS/Weather Underground.

Sure, there are the Timothy McViegh's the Randy Weavers out there.

Anyone who focuses on one side of the extremist spectrum while ignoring the other has an agenda. Be that members here or in the White House.


Well, I might be behind the times neb, but i am sure You know what i meant, how about the famous Michigan Malitia or the real fine folks seen at Charlottesville? Those type folks are more frightening to me than some folks who are seeking the justice they deserve. Look man, real racism is bad!!!!, it means more than calling someone a bad name, it means not giving a person a job, it means a banker not giving a person a home loan, it may mean not being able to live where You want to, it's all rigged for the systematic oppression of a certain group of our population......joe



Jerry - 6/2/2020 at 02:57 AM

In Ga. that could be a solution. Get the actual protesters to self police for trouble makers.
Since Ga is an open carry state, those who wish to high jack the protest could end up with a damaged kneecap.
The actual protester could claim self defense of himself and others.
Could work.


nebish - 6/2/2020 at 03:09 AM

I don't know...comparing the Michigan militia, I've seen armed black persons in Minnesota and honestly I was damn happy to see them. One video showed some guys outside a building with a sign on the door saying 'black owned' and about 4-5 dudes outside armed to the teeth with somebody filming talking some gansta talk. Good for them. Seen other armed black protesters.

I don't have any problem with white people or black people with guns be it they obtain and carry them legally.

The Michigan protesters were within their right to have the guns, but my opinion is it was counterproductive. The people in Minneapolis...the people everywhere really, these business owners getting beaten...wish every city and state allowed their citizens to protect themselves. Easy targets are the ones not allowed to legally defend themselves.

White nationalists in Charlottesville and everywhere should be labeled a domestic terrorist group. So should the same people that show up to these protests...same people anti-war, occupy movement, the 20-30 something skinny white guys and gals in their hipster clothes be they anarchists, anti-government types, anti-white, anti-black, anti-police. Take it out further...anti-abortion...anti-gay...extreme environmental activists...all of them. We'd be so much better without all these people. Can't limit their free speech. But we can arrest them whenever and wherever they unlawfully act out.


gina - 6/2/2020 at 03:16 AM

quote:
Last night in Atlanta news crews from all the stations were out in force and broadcasting live from where the protests were taking place.
a little after 9 PM, the main force of protesters left the areas and the stations were broadcasting about how the protests had gone (reasonably peaceful except for a few incidents).
Then the fun began. some "protesters" came out carrying jugs of water and milk, fully masked, some in gas masks, and gloved.
channel 46 broadcast continuous coverage on one group that the reporter described as "playing chicken with the national Guard troops". they would advance and hide, responded directions to disperse with taunts, made any attempt to antagonize the police and troops.
The police advanced on the ATVs and more dispersed, and some decided to keep at their game.
some were arrested as the police and troops rounded up and cleared the area.
Andrew Young came on, I think, WSB and talked about how outsiders were the problem and named white supremacists as the main agitators. Funny as that those you could see their skin color weren't white.

I do agree that outsiders are the main problem, not locals. The locals, except for a few, went home before the curfew fell in place,
Antifa, could be part of the problem, but so could any other group of anarchists or just a bunch of folks gone cabin crazy and decided that this would be a good time to get back at "whoever" the flavor of the month is.

Protest is fine. It's part of why this country was founded. When protest turns to looting, burning, assault on others, and general mayhem like the threats on Walmart shoppers shown in a post above, then it does become domestic terrorism.


Well I don't like the term 'domestic terrorist'. But the people provoking violence, looting, riots are something. I saw footage from Philadelphia, whites have taken bats and went to try to stop some of the rioters/looters. On Twitter at phillyriots.

Some people want to make it a Whites vs. Blacks issue. Racism may have played a role in George Floyd's death, violence doesn't change that.

1. The problem of his death rests with the Minnesota police department. Changes in their handbook of permissible techniques for subdual and arrest need to happen. It currently allows knee to the neck. So does Philadelphia. Nationwide that could be changed as well as the chokehold procedures.

2. These changes need to happen on statewide and county levels.

3. The local head of Black Lives Matter Hawk Newsome has a law degree. Rather than these mob protests he could work on the statewide and national levels to effect changes to the laws and procedures instead of being out in the streets with a bullhorn leading protests that become violent.

The focus of change should be fairness for all no matter what color but the movement only focuses on blacks. What about something more inclusive like human lives matter? Justice for all because other people get abused also.











[Edited on 6/2/2020 by gina]


nebish - 6/2/2020 at 03:24 AM

Some BLM protesters are taking the all lives matter approach, but they say black lives are threatened.

All lives matters mantra was an attempt by some to either minimize the BLM movement intentionally or to say that genuinely that all lives matter, why single out a specific race - these people miss the point of BLM and what minorities have to live with.

I like seeing BLM take up that line that all lives matter and then they can emphasize the urgency of what they are talking about related to the black community.


2112 - 6/2/2020 at 05:19 AM

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Trump fiddles while the U.S. burns.


Would you actually prefer he gave an address?

You wouldn't agree with his words or proposed actions, so then isn't the better alternative is he doesn't address the nation?

Sure, a normal President would do what normal Presidents do. When Trump talks he normally makes things worse...so I suspect you would be happier if he keeps fiddling.


Times like these call for carefully chosen words. That's not the MO of the current occupant of the WH. I agree, anything he says is just going to throw gasoline on the fire. Better that he hide in his bunker and stay quiet.


BIGV - 6/2/2020 at 06:41 AM

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Are Black people only ok when they entertain you, bigV?


What in the hell are you referencing here?


cyclone88 - 6/2/2020 at 01:01 PM

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Times like these call for carefully chosen words. That's not the MO of the current occupant of the WH. I agree, anything he says is just going to throw gasoline on the fire. Better that he hide in his bunker and stay quiet.


He really PO'd me last night. He doesn't speak to us as "his fellow Americans" w/a promise that things will get better. He berates & threatens us as though we'e not bright children or deficient employees or inferior beings he's being forced to babysit. Not an ounce of respect for anyone's life. Not a scintilla of true leadership. Just chest pounding & a photo op.


stormyrider - 6/2/2020 at 01:31 PM

someone will have to explain to me how firing tear gas into a peacefully demonstrating crowd conveys law and order


MartinD28 - 6/2/2020 at 01:32 PM

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Times like these call for carefully chosen words. That's not the MO of the current occupant of the WH. I agree, anything he says is just going to throw gasoline on the fire. Better that he hide in his bunker and stay quiet.


He really PO'd me last night. He doesn't speak to us as "his fellow Americans" w/a promise that things will get better. He berates & threatens us as though we'e not bright children or deficient employees or inferior beings he's being forced to babysit. Not an ounce of respect for anyone's life. Not a scintilla of true leadership. Just chest pounding & a photo op.


Standard Operating Procedure - Another day in the life of "leadership the Trump way". He f'ing used tear gas, rubber bullets, and force on American citizens in a peaceful protest so a path could be cleared for him to walk to St. John's Episcopal Church for a f'ing photo op. Unbelievable. This is what you expect in Turkey or Iran. It was reported that he wanted to show "strength" as he was frustrated as being seen as WEAK on Friday when he was ushered to the WH bunker.

I saw an interview last night with the Bishop of St. John's Episcopal Church, and she was outraged. She said he may have been in the church once before but he doesn't come there. He looked so uncomfortable using the Bible as a prop.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics/cnntv-bishop-trump-photo-op/index.h tml


MartinD28 - 6/2/2020 at 01:39 PM

Police officers in many cities taking a knee along with protesters - the Kap way. Must drive Trump & right wingers crazy.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/george-floyd-protests-philadelphia-city-hall- police-take-a-knee-20200601.html


Rusty - 6/2/2020 at 01:57 PM

I don't suppose that a president has ever been forcibly removed from office. After some of Trump's recent comments I am honestly thinking that some entity (FBI, CIA) needs to show up ASAP with the butterfly nets and straitjackets.


cyclone88 - 6/2/2020 at 02:17 PM

quote:
Standard Operating Procedure - Another day in the life of "leadership the Trump way". He f'ing used tear gas, rubber bullets, and force on American citizens in a peaceful protest so a path could be cleared for him to walk to St. John's Episcopal Church for a f'ing photo op. Unbelievable. This is what you expect in Turkey or Iran. It was reported that he wanted to show "strength" as he was frustrated as being seen as WEAK on Friday when he was ushered to the WH bunker.

I saw an interview last night with the Bishop of St. John's Episcopal Church, and she was outraged. She said he may have been in the church once before but he doesn't come there. He looked so uncomfortable using the Bible as a prop.


Of course, she was & I think it looked like he was holding the Bible upside down. Could be wrong.

CNN did a split screen that showed the peaceful, distanced, mask-wearing walkers being gradually corralled by riot gear clad officers of some sort & some tear gas thrown while he was speaking in order to clear the path for his "solemn" walk. It was all very reality TV produced. Unless there were unreleased photos, Trump wasn't "seen" going into his bunker. As I said, I don't watch because it's either faked or old news.


cyclone88 - 6/2/2020 at 02:22 PM

quote:
Police officers in many cities taking a knee along with protesters - the Kap way. Must drive Trump & right wingers crazy.

To quote a NYPD detective friend, no one hates a bad cop more than a good cop. Why not have a civil conversation, take a knee, give a hug?


BIGV - 6/2/2020 at 02:47 PM

quote:
Standard Operating Procedure - Another day in the life of "leadership the Trump way". He f'ing used tear gas, rubber bullets, and force on American citizens in a peaceful protest so a path could be cleared for him to walk to St. John's Episcopal Church for a f'ing photo op. Unbelievable.


I think we have to ask ourselves as a country at what point peaceful demonstration and rioting become two separate behaviors, it is brutally clear we the people and the media are incapable of making this distinction. At what point are we finally going to draw the line and ask when is enough is enough? I don't care if they are "outside agitators" or whether they have traveled from one state to another. It matters not to me if they think violence is the answer because peaceful protest has not work, I don't care. I do not want to hear it. Violence and the destruction of property, infrastructure, the looting of businesses, arson, whatever convenient reason or excuse you attach to it, I don't want to hear it. We are better than this. Standing in the middle of a freeway and stopping hard working Americans from conducting their daily lives which includes the travel to and from their places of employment is unacceptable. it is **** . I am not saying people do not have the right to protest, I am asking what has happened to common sense. What has happened to being held responsible for your own actions. What has happened to caring about your neighbor, your fellow human beings. I don't want to hear about people being so angry that this is their only option. **** , you always have a choice.

A "peaceful protest"?....Was not the Church in question SET ON FIRE THE NIGHT BEFORE.....please spare us this one sided, one size fits all, blame Trump for everything bull **** and try a new tack, one where we "blame" and hold accountable people we trust to act like adults and citizens but instead CHOOSE to commit violent acts? This crap is going to put him right back in the White House because the armchair quarterbacks who continue to cast condemnation on the President and anyone who dares show support for him have learned nothing from 2016. Absolutely nothing.


cyclone88 - 6/2/2020 at 03:11 PM

quote:
I don't suppose that a president has ever been forcibly removed from office. After some of Trump's recent comments I am honestly thinking that some entity (FBI, CIA) needs to show up ASAP with the butterfly nets and straitjackets.


Recent comments? I've been waiting for that to happen since Day 1 of his term.


stormyrider - 6/2/2020 at 03:14 PM

I have taken part in more than 1 peaceful protest in my life and witnessed many others - including the one last night on Main St in my town. Not one incident.

Unfortunately, like many things, it takes one or 2 bad apples to ruin it for everyone. I condemn the violence as much as you and anyone else here.
We can't, nor should we, put all of the protesters in 1 boat. Most are not there for violence or looting. Just like we can't blame all cops for the actions of a few, all Muslims for the actions of Al Qeuda, all priests, etc.

No, the violence is not Trump's fault. But he didn't rise to the occasion, the way Presidents have in the recent past. He does not know how to heal and unify. IN Charlottesville, he claimed there "were good people" when they were wearing white hoods and carrying swastikas. Someone died there too. He tries to anger, incite, and divide. That's his MO.

So, the church was burned the night before. That is disgusting, vile and beyond belief. There is no reason a sane, peaceful, law abiding person should do that. The people who lit the fire should be held accountable and put in jail.
The next day, people were standing there with police present and they were being peaceful. Just because they were at the sight of a crime does not make them criminals and does not mean they deserved tear gas.

Just one more way Trump is imitating Putin, Kim Il Jong, and the rest of them. I don't know what he was trying to prove just standing there with a Bible.

[Edited on 6/2/2020 by stormyrider]


porkchopbob - 6/2/2020 at 03:35 PM

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I have taken part in more than 1 peaceful protest in my life and witnessed many others - including the one last night on Main St in my town. Not one incident.

Unfortunately, like many things, it takes one or 2 bad apples to ruin it for everyone. I condemn the violence as much as you and anyone else here.
We can't, nor should we, put all of the protesters in 1 boat. Most are not there for violence or looting. Just like we can't blame all cops for the actions of a few, all Muslims for the actions of Al Qeuda, all priests, etc.

No, the violence is not Trump's fault. But he didn't rise to the occasion, the way Presidents have in the recent past. He does not know how to heal and unify. IN Charlottesville, he claimed there "were good people" when they were wearing white hoods and carrying swastikas. Someone died there too. He tries to anger, incite, and divide. That's his MO.

So, the church was burned the night before. That is disgusting, vile and beyond belief. There is no reason a sane, peaceful, law abiding person should do that. The people who lit the fire should be held accountable and put in jail.
The next day, people were standing there with police present and they were being peaceful. Just because they were at the sight of a crime does not make them criminals and does not mean they deserved tear gas.

Just one more way Trump is imitating Putin, Kim Il Jong, and the rest of them. I don't know what he was trying to prove just standing there with a Bible.


Well said. Let's be clear, there are "protesters" and there are "vandals/looters". Let's not combine the two. And criticism of Trump's tone-deaf response to all of this is not the same as blame.


cyclone88 - 6/2/2020 at 03:47 PM

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Well said. Let's be clear, there are "protesters" and there are "vandals/looters". Let's not combine the two. And criticism of Trump's tone-deaf response to all of this is not the same as blame.

^This.


Rusty - 6/2/2020 at 03:50 PM

I have covered a couple of ORGANIZED protests (videographer).

ORGANIZED: Participants meet up before the "march" and discuss (among other things) responsible demonstration etiquette. Marching rows were organized with responsible types on each. Anybody seen throwing things or generating violence got removed.

Lastly, and to be completely fair: I watched (CNN) last night as Trump was making his "death and destruction" threats and comments. Some of the video was from right up front where the protestors and police came face to face. I could not help but notice that some of the protestors were right up in the officers faces. They seemed to be TRYING to bait the officers into violence. I am completely sympathetic with the movement (BLM - police violence towards people of color, etc.) - but I cannot sympathize with these types. In my opinion, they do nothing to further the cause.


BIGV - 6/2/2020 at 06:01 PM

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Some of the video was from right up front where the protesters and police came face to face. I could not help but notice that some of the protesters were right up in the officers faces. They seemed to be TRYING to bait the officers into violence. I am completely sympathetic with the movement (BLM - police violence towards people of color, etc.) - but I cannot sympathize with these types. In my opinion, they do nothing to further the cause.


So, directly to my earlier point.....Are these people mentioned above "protesting"?


BIGV - 6/2/2020 at 06:10 PM

CNN last week, "How are we going to stop these sunbathers on California Beaches"?...CNN this week, Masses in the streets walking arm in arm. Good for them"

What hypocrisy?


porkchopbob - 6/2/2020 at 06:32 PM

quote:
CNN last week, "How are we going to stop these sunbathers on California Beaches"?...CNN this week, Masses in the streets walking arm in arm. Good for them"

What hypocrisy?

Only if you can't separate the two contexts that you have grossly oversimplified and can only apply "one size fits all" issues.

[Edited on 6/2/2020 by porkchopbob]


BIGV - 6/2/2020 at 06:50 PM

quote:
quote:
CNN last week, "How are we going to stop these sunbathers on California Beaches"?...CNN this week, Masses in the streets walking arm in arm. Good for them"

What hypocrisy?

Only if you can't separate the two contexts that you have grossly oversimplified and can only apply "one size fits all" issues.

[Edited on 6/2/2020 by porkchopbob]


Has stopping the Killer Virus taken a back seat to "Peaceful protest"?


BrerRabbit - 6/2/2020 at 07:18 PM

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Police officers in many cities taking a knee along with protesters . . .


Thanks for post - I had not heard. A candle in the darkness. Powerful.


porkchopbob - 6/2/2020 at 07:22 PM

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quote:
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CNN last week, "How are we going to stop these sunbathers on California Beaches"?...CNN this week, Masses in the streets walking arm in arm. Good for them"
What hypocrisy?

Only if you can't separate the two contexts that you have grossly oversimplified and can only apply "one size fits all" issues.

Has stopping the Killer Virus taken a back seat to "Peaceful protest"?

Media outlets continue to cover how the protests and gatherings complicate COVID-19. Maybe read more than just the headlines (also I couldn't find any CNN article that used the line you cited)


porkchopbob - 6/2/2020 at 07:52 PM

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-05-30/dont-understand-the-protes ts-what-youre-seeing-is-people-pushed-to-the-edge

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Op-Ed: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: Don’t understand the protests? What you’re seeing is people pushed to the edge

By Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
May 30, 2020


What was your first reaction when you saw the video of the white cop kneeling on George Floyd’s neck while Floyd croaked, “I can’t breathe”?

If you’re white, you probably muttered a horrified, “Oh, my God” while shaking your head at the cruel injustice. If you’re black, you probably leapt to your feet, cursed, maybe threw something (certainly wanted to throw something), while shouting, “Not @#$%! again!” Then you remember the two white vigilantes accused of murdering Ahmaud Arbery as he jogged through their neighborhood in February, and how if it wasn’t for that video emerging a few weeks ago, they would have gotten away with it. And how those Minneapolis cops claimed Floyd was resisting arrest but a store’s video showed he wasn’t. And how the cop on Floyd’s neck wasn’t an enraged redneck stereotype, but a sworn officer who looked calm and entitled and devoid of pity: the banality of evil incarnate.

Maybe you also are thinking about the Karen in Central Park who called 911 claiming the black man who asked her to put a leash on her dog was threatening her. Or the black Yale University grad student napping in the common room of her dorm who was reported by a white student. Because you realize it’s not just a supposed “black criminal” who is targeted, it’s the whole spectrum of black faces from Yonkers to Yale.

You start to wonder if it should be all black people who wear body cams, not the cops.

What do you see when you see angry black protesters amassing outside police stations with raised fists? If you’re white, you may be thinking, “They certainly aren’t social distancing.” Then you notice the black faces looting Target and you think, “Well, that just hurts their cause.” Then you see the police station on fire and you wag a finger saying, “That’s putting the cause backward.”

You’re not wrong — but you’re not right, either. The black community is used to the institutional racism inherent in education, the justice system and jobs. And even though we do all the conventional things to raise public and political awareness — write articulate and insightful pieces in the Atlantic, explain the continued devastation on CNN, support candidates who promise change — the needle hardly budges.

But COVID-19 has been slamming the consequences of all that home as we die at a significantly higher rate than whites, are the first to lose our jobs, and watch helplessly as Republicans try to keep us from voting. Just as the slimy underbelly of institutional racism is being exposed, it feels like hunting season is open on blacks. If there was any doubt, President Trump’s recent tweets confirm the national zeitgeist as he calls protesters “thugs” and looters fair game to be shot.

Yes, protests often are used as an excuse for some to take advantage, just as when fans celebrating a hometown sports team championship burn cars and destroy storefronts. I don’t want to see stores looted or even buildings burn. But African Americans have been living in a burning building for many years, choking on the smoke as the flames burn closer and closer. Racism in America is like dust in the air. It seems invisible — even if you’re choking on it — until you let the sun in. Then you see it’s everywhere. As long as we keep shining that light, we have a chance of cleaning it wherever it lands. But we have to stay vigilant, because it’s always still in the air.

So, maybe the black community’s main concern right now isn’t whether protesters are standing three or six feet apart or whether a few desperate souls steal some T-shirts or even set a police station on fire, but whether their sons, husbands, brothers and fathers will be murdered by cops or wannabe cops just for going on a walk, a jog, a drive. Or whether being black means sheltering at home for the rest of their lives because the racism virus infecting the country is more deadly than COVID-19.

What you should see when you see black protesters in the age of Trump and coronavirus is people pushed to the edge, not because they want bars and nail salons open, but because they want to live. To breathe.

Worst of all, is that we are expected to justify our outraged behavior every time the cauldron bubbles over. Almost 70 years ago, Langston Hughes asked in his poem “Harlem”: “What happens to a dream deferred? /… Maybe it sags / like a heavy load. / Or does it explode?”

Fifty years ago, Marvin Gaye sang in “Inner City Blues”: “Make me wanna holler / The way they do my life.” And today, despite the impassioned speeches of well-meaning leaders, white and black, they want to silence our voice, steal our breath.

So what you see when you see black protesters depends on whether you’re living in that burning building or watching it on TV with a bowl of corn chips in your lap waiting for “NCIS” to start.

What I want to see is not a rush to judgment, but a rush to justice.


crazyjoe - 6/2/2020 at 07:53 PM

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quote:
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CNN last week, "How are we going to stop these sunbathers on California Beaches"?...CNN this week, Masses in the streets walking arm in arm. Good for them"

What hypocrisy?

Only if you can't separate the two contexts that you have grossly oversimplified and can only apply "one size fits all" issues.

[Edited on 6/2/2020 by porkchopbob]


Has stopping the Killer Virus taken a back seat to "Peaceful protest"?


I would say neither situation is ideal, and I don't believe anyone else has said so either, I would say that protesting a man's horrific and unjust murder, and fighting for Your God given human rights is a bit more substantial and important, than pair of beer soaked boobs???...........Peace.....joe


Bhawk - 6/2/2020 at 08:01 PM

Nothing will change. Not one thing.


MartinD28 - 6/2/2020 at 08:06 PM

Very classy KaC.

Maybe George and the Lincoln Project will come to the Bishop's defense or possibly just George at the dinner table.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kellyanne-conway-lashes-bishop-condemned-1746264 89.html


BIGV - 6/2/2020 at 10:31 PM

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quote:
quote:
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CNN last week, "How are we going to stop these sunbathers on California Beaches"?...CNN this week, Masses in the streets walking arm in arm. Good for them"
What hypocrisy?

Only if you can't separate the two contexts that you have grossly oversimplified and can only apply "one size fits all" issues.

Has stopping the Killer Virus taken a back seat to "Peaceful protest"?

Media outlets continue to cover how the protests and gatherings complicate COVID-19. Maybe read more than just the headlines (also I couldn't find any CNN article that used the line you cited)


"Complicate"..Don't make me laugh any harder than I have been. You guys here are such opportunistic hypocrites, the whole lot of you. Just last week there was such a big to do about the wearing of masks and the importance of social distancing because of loved ones who were sick and your feelings about the possibility of infecting others with a simple cough. Now, we see throngs marching, "protesting" & looting, with my guess being that most are wearing masks simply because they don't want their images captured as they steal and burn. "Social distancing" while you protest?...Not the least bit important anymore, yesterday's news. Why it's far more important to show up with sign and let people know you are not a racist than it is to focus on the possibility of the virus re-surging...

You can not have it both ways


gina - 6/2/2020 at 10:39 PM

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Nothing will change. Not one thing.


Https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8379067/national-guard-soldier-tak es-knee-tells-george-floyd-protesters-troops-stay-behind.html

Lieutenant Colonel Sam Andrews of the National Guard in St. Paul, Minnesota.




[Edited on 6/2/2020 by gina]


gina - 6/2/2020 at 10:53 PM

The National Guard didn't shoot people in the face in St. Paul. They stood back ensuring the safety of the peaceful protesters showing it is possible. Meanwhile in NYC. Mayhem continues. 700 arrested last night. Governor Cuomo rejects Trump's offer of military assistance saying there are 38,000 NYPD they can handle it. Rioting and looting show otherwise. Ivropa Europa, a nazi group from Berlin is impersonating Antifa online to gather people to go and be unpeaceful.

Http://www.yahoo.com/news/nypd-describes-packs-youths-running-143919657.htm l

They loot the stores then run as fast as they can to escape bring caught.

Comments: The Governor wants to start reopening the city June 15th. HOW? He should let the military clean this up or is it going to take a mob going to Albany to impress the seriousness of this upon him. Him and the Mayor can blame each other, meanwhile problem persists. Try it the Trump way, let the military deal with these hoodlums. They are hurting peaceful protesters and businesses.

[Edited on 6/2/2020 by gina]


Bhawk - 6/2/2020 at 10:54 PM

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Nothing will change. Not one thing.


Https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8379067/national-guard-soldier-tak es-knee-tells-george-floyd-protesters-troops-stay-behind.html

Lieutenant Colonel Sam Andrews of the National Guard in St. Paul, Minnesota.




[Edited on 6/2/2020 by gina]


Gee, how touching.

Nothing will change.

It will get worse.


porkchopbob - 6/2/2020 at 10:55 PM

quote:
"Complicate"..Don't make me laugh any harder than I have been. You guys here are such opportunistic hypocrites, the whole lot of you. Just last week there was such a big to do about the wearing of masks and the importance of social distancing because of loved ones who were sick and your feelings about the possibility of infecting others with a simple cough. Now, we see throngs marching, "protesting" & looting, with my guess being that most are wearing masks simply because they don't want their images captured as they steal and burn. "Social distancing" while you protest?...Not the least bit important anymore, yesterday's news. Why it's far more important to show up with sign and let people know you are not a racist than it is to focus on the possibility of the virus re-surging...

You can not have it both ways

Right, right it's us. You've conveniently paraphrased two disparate headlines and oversimplified two issues so you can dismiss them. And then call everyone "hypocrites" for because we don't apply "one size fits all" (where did I hear that phrase before?) to every situation or issue. So either you don't know what that word means, or don't really understand the larger issues at hand. Or choose not to because that's easier.


gina - 6/2/2020 at 10:59 PM

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quote:
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Nothing will change. Not one thing.


Https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8379067/national-guard-soldier-tak es-knee-tells-george-floyd-protesters-troops-stay-behind.html

Lieutenant Colonel Sam Andrews of the National Guard in St. Paul, Minnesota.


[Edited on 6/2/2020 by gina]


Gee, how touching.

Nothing will change.

It will get worse.


It might but it doesn't have. Change is possible. The greater enemies are the new world order minions who want to hand everyone over to the anti-Christ. I'm not gettin' on the bus. I know how the protesters feel, they are willing to die and be martyred to stop the foot and knee of oppression on their people. I feel the same way I'm just further up the road in the same war we are all in, though most have not realized it yet.


Bhawk - 6/2/2020 at 11:02 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
CNN last week, "How are we going to stop these sunbathers on California Beaches"?...CNN this week, Masses in the streets walking arm in arm. Good for them"
What hypocrisy?

Only if you can't separate the two contexts that you have grossly oversimplified and can only apply "one size fits all" issues.

Has stopping the Killer Virus taken a back seat to "Peaceful protest"?

Media outlets continue to cover how the protests and gatherings complicate COVID-19. Maybe read more than just the headlines (also I couldn't find any CNN article that used the line you cited)


"Complicate"..Don't make me laugh any harder than I have been. You guys here are such opportunistic hypocrites, the whole lot of you. Just last week there was such a big to do about the wearing of masks and the importance of social distancing because of loved ones who were sick and your feelings about the possibility of infecting others with a simple cough. Now, we see throngs marching, "protesting" & looting, with my guess being that most are wearing masks simply because they don't want their images captured as they steal and burn. "Social distancing" while you protest?...Not the least bit important anymore, yesterday's news. Why it's far more important to show up with sign and let people know you are not a racist than it is to focus on the possibility of the virus re-surging...

You can not have it both ways


“Protesting” in quotes.

Guess the right to assemble isn’t a part of the “Constitution.”


gina - 6/2/2020 at 11:07 PM

Assembling for the purpose of committing criminal mischief like looting is not a protected activity.

The looters are hijacking the demonstrations for their own agendas.

Joe Biden's team contacted George Floyd's family for permission to attend the funeral next week. They said it is okay. Is it because he wants some black votes since an election is coming or is that just a coincidence?

Trump should send Ben Carson. As an Education Coordinator maybe he could even educate Biden.

[Edited on 6/2/2020 by gina]


gina - 6/2/2020 at 11:26 PM

The autopsy results came in if you missed it. Both the medical examiner and the private autopsy show mechanical asphyxiation, meaning an external cause made him die. The medical examiner said he had arteriosclerosis and atherosclerosis. That means narrowing of arteries and plaque formation in the arteries making them less elastic so it is harder for the blood to get through. Also mentioned was Fentanyl and methamphetamines. Fentanyl like all pain killers depresses respiration [breathing] people can die from just that. Add a cop compressing your carotid artery, lungs [in your back] it is volatile, plus you had that other cop compressing the femoral vein in the leg that stops blood flow to the heart. Yes they killed him.

NBC analyzed data from the police department and found that he is one of 44 people they rendered unconscious with neck restraint in the last five years.

Three fifths were black, thirty percent white all were male, three fourths under age 40. They used the knee restraint 237 times in the last five years. Sixteen percent led to suspects or other individuals losing consciousness.

It is only supposed to be used on someone exhibiting aggression, or on an aggressive person in order to gain control of a subject if lesser attempts have been ineffective.

Https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minneapolis-police-rendered-44-people- unconscious-neck-restraints-five-years-n1220416?mod=article_inline


It is not just Minnesota. Philly, Sarasota, etc.

This procedure should be outlawed.

[Edited on 6/2/2020 by gina]


Bhawk - 6/2/2020 at 11:32 PM

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Assembling for the purpose of committing criminal mischief like looting is not a protected activity.


Then why are people who are assembling peacefully getting sprayed, gassed and shot with rubber bullets anyway?


MartinD28 - 6/2/2020 at 11:39 PM

quote:
Assembling for the purpose of committing criminal mischief like looting is not a protected activity.

The looters are hijacking the demonstrations for their own agendas.

Joe Biden's team contacted George Floyd's family for permission to attend the funeral next week. They said it is okay. Is it because he wants some black votes since an election is coming or is that just a coincidence?

Trump should send Ben Carson. As an Education Coordinator maybe he could even educate Biden.

[Edited on 6/2/2020 by gina]


So Gina, why didn't Trump have Big Ben Carson with him last night when he started his church tour? Did you see the entourage that walked out of the White House? Why don't you describe the makeup of the entourage. Did it look like America or moreso like Trump's America?

I found a pic for you - Trump & Friends on tour at a church near you.


https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/uS184C9JB_if9WgXDP_qcA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxh bmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTQ3MA--/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/Rrro3UB4OC1pGWuj Y_akLw--~B/aD0zMDAwO3c9NDUwMDtzbT0xO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media-mbst- pub-ue1.s3.amazonaws.com/creatr-images/2020-06/c827ea60-a466-11ea-9fef-9321 3ee62e9d


[Edited on 6/2/2020 by MartinD28]


BIGV - 6/2/2020 at 11:47 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
CNN last week, "How are we going to stop these sunbathers on California Beaches"?...CNN this week, Masses in the streets walking arm in arm. Good for them"
What hypocrisy?

Only if you can't separate the two contexts that you have grossly oversimplified and can only apply "one size fits all" issues.

Has stopping the Killer Virus taken a back seat to "Peaceful protest"?

Media outlets continue to cover how the protests and gatherings complicate COVID-19. Maybe read more than just the headlines (also I couldn't find any CNN article that used the line you cited)


"Complicate"..Don't make me laugh any harder than I have been. You guys here are such opportunistic hypocrites, the whole lot of you. Just last week there was such a big to do about the wearing of masks and the importance of social distancing because of loved ones who were sick and your feelings about the possibility of infecting others with a simple cough. Now, we see throngs marching, "protesting" & looting, with my guess being that most are wearing masks simply because they don't want their images captured as they steal and burn. "Social distancing" while you protest?...Not the least bit important anymore, yesterday's news. Why it's far more important to show up with sign and let people know you are not a racist than it is to focus on the possibility of the virus re-surging...

You can not have it both ways


“Protesting” in quotes.

Guess the right to assemble isn’t a part of the “Constitution.”


Correct, it is part of the Constitution when that is the act one is involved in. Are starting fires, looting and committing mayhem protected?

And you conveniently avoided the big question here.....What about the spread of the Killer virus in these crowds? Why are not these crowds being dispersed in the name of everyone's health?.. What happened to "Stay at home"?..What happened to "social distancing"?

I call ****


Bhawk - 6/3/2020 at 12:49 AM

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Correct, it is part of the Constitution when that is the act one is involved in. Are starting fires, looting and committing mayhem protected?


Of course not. As a libertarian, how do you reconcile brutality unleashed on the peaceful protesters? I’d think that whole liberty thing would be important to ya.

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And you conveniently avoided the big question here.....What about the spread of the Killer virus in these crowds? Why are not these crowds being dispersed in the name of everyone's health?.. What happened to "Stay at home"?..What happened to "social distancing"?


I work for a hospital. I really don’t care at this point who wears a mask or who doesn’t when I’m not at work. You can head on down to the nearest emergency room and lick the walls if it makes you feel vindicated. You get sick with COVID or anything else and need to be in the hospital, it’s my job to make sure you get taken care of no matter what your politics are.

As to comparing what going on in the streets to the risk of being infected with a microbe, that’s hardly an argument worth having.


BIGV - 6/3/2020 at 01:04 AM

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Correct, it is part of the Constitution when that is the act one is involved in. Are starting fires, looting and committing mayhem protected?


Of course not. As a libertarian, how do you reconcile brutality unleashed on the peaceful protesters? I’d think that whole liberty thing would be important to ya.

quote:
And you conveniently avoided the big question here.....What about the spread of the Killer virus in these crowds? Why are not these crowds being dispersed in the name of everyone's health?.. What happened to "Stay at home"?..What happened to "social distancing"?


I work for a hospital. I really don’t care at this point who wears a mask or who doesn’t when I’m not at work. You can head on down to the nearest emergency room and lick the walls if it makes you feel vindicated. You get sick with COVID or anything else and need to be in the hospital, it’s my job to make sure you get taken care of no matter what your politics are.

As to comparing what going on in the streets to the risk of being infected with a microbe, that’s hardly an argument worth having.


Is it a highly contagious killer that warranted the wearing of masks, social distancing, staying at home, the shutting down of the economy, the closing of all businesses not deemed essential, the arrests of people who defied the Governor's orders, the deaths of over 100,000 people here in the States and on and on...

Yes or No?


BIGV - 6/3/2020 at 01:22 AM

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Of course not. As a libertarian, how do you reconcile brutality unleashed on the peaceful protesters? I’d think that whole liberty thing would be important to ya.


C'mon man, I've made it so clear the "Peaceful" protesting is not the issue here. Violence is.

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I work for a hospital.


So you of all people either embrace the argument that the thought of our health care system being over run with covid cases was numero uno....

Or you do not.


Bhawk - 6/3/2020 at 01:34 AM

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Correct, it is part of the Constitution when that is the act one is involved in. Are starting fires, looting and committing mayhem protected?


Of course not. As a libertarian, how do you reconcile brutality unleashed on the peaceful protesters? I’d think that whole liberty thing would be important to ya.

quote:
And you conveniently avoided the big question here.....What about the spread of the Killer virus in these crowds? Why are not these crowds being dispersed in the name of everyone's health?.. What happened to "Stay at home"?..What happened to "social distancing"?


I work for a hospital. I really don’t care at this point who wears a mask or who doesn’t when I’m not at work. You can head on down to the nearest emergency room and lick the walls if it makes you feel vindicated. You get sick with COVID or anything else and need to be in the hospital, it’s my job to make sure you get taken care of no matter what your politics are.

As to comparing what going on in the streets to the risk of being infected with a microbe, that’s hardly an argument worth having.


Is it a highly contagious killer that warranted the wearing of masks, social distancing, staying at home, the shutting down of the economy, the closing of all businesses not deemed essential, the arrests of people who defied the Governor's orders, the deaths of over 100,000 people here in the States and on and on...

Yes or No?


It's a highly contagious killer, and as to the rest of it, I have no idea, and neither do you. The pandemic isn't over. Why are you asking me as if I'm responsible for all that?

I'll save you some keystrokes. I have no political lens to place on a microbe. A virus doesn't care who we voted for, what county we live in, what we had for breakfast. If you're looking for a partisan argument over a microscopic entity, look elsewhere.


Bhawk - 6/3/2020 at 01:46 AM

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C'mon man, I've made it so clear the "Peaceful" protesting is not the issue here. Violence is.


Excellent Nixonian response. Did you do the quote thing on purpose, maybe think about it before you typed them?

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So you of all people either embrace the argument that the thought of our health care system being over run with covid cases was numero uno....

Or you do not.


You're right, Vince, You are so right. The thought of our health care system being overrun is just idiotic. We need to cancel the disaster drills and mass casualty drills. We need to not rebuild a pandemic supply, and when emergency rooms go on diversion this summer, we'll tell those folks to just get over whatever it is that's wrong with them.

Hell, come 4th of July, we'll just tell those folks who just hadta lose a finger to a firework that they was sacrificin' their digits for freedom, and they'll be seen in a few hours!

But as far as what I thought? I had no control over it. I know that our healthcare system isn't designed to to be bumrushed by the thousands, and if I was concerned that there might not be enough beds to take care of sick people, then excuse the **** outta me.



Stephen - 6/3/2020 at 02:03 AM

It’s true that a virus knows no politics
Many blamed Trump for the spread of this one however
So it became political football, w/all the typical finger pointing etc
My answer would be, yes, to a large degree we went overboard w/closing down all trace of commerce/trade in response to it - contagious & all, despite what the experts said, shutting down to enforce social distancing etc was an overreaction that hurt far more than helped - state parks? & other outdoor places? Give me a break

[Edited on 6/3/2020 by Stephen]


BIGV - 6/3/2020 at 02:42 AM

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C'mon man, I've made it so clear the "Peaceful" protesting is not the issue here. Violence is.


Excellent Nixonian response. Did you do the quote thing on purpose, maybe think about it before you typed them?

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So you of all people either embrace the argument that the thought of our health care system being over run with covid cases was numero uno....

Or you do not.


You're right, Vince, You are so right. The thought of our health care system being overrun is just idiotic. We need to cancel the disaster drills and mass casualty drills. We need to not rebuild a pandemic supply, and when emergency rooms go on diversion this summer, we'll tell those folks to just get over whatever it is that's wrong with them.

Hell, come 4th of July, we'll just tell those folks who just hadta lose a finger to a firework that they was sacrificin' their digits for freedom, and they'll be seen in a few hours!

But as far as what I thought? I had no control over it. I know that our healthcare system isn't designed to to be bumrushed by the thousands, and if I was concerned that there might not be enough beds to take care of sick people, then excuse the **** outta me.


Either this virus was going to over tax the hospitals, or it is not. If if is, or will, like we have been led to believe, then social distancing and masks are a good idea. This is NOT being practiced at the protests where thousands are showing up, it has nothing to do with politics, zero.

A true liberal dilemma, stand up for wearing masks and distancing or allow people to congregate by the thousands in a march. But you can't go to a stadium, a concert and only half capacity in restaurants......

Do I have the right to do these things?


2112 - 6/3/2020 at 04:43 AM

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C'mon man, I've made it so clear the "Peaceful" protesting is not the issue here. Violence is.


Excellent Nixonian response. Did you do the quote thing on purpose, maybe think about it before you typed them?

quote:
So you of all people either embrace the argument that the thought of our health care system being over run with covid cases was numero uno....

Or you do not.


You're right, Vince, You are so right. The thought of our health care system being overrun is just idiotic. We need to cancel the disaster drills and mass casualty drills. We need to not rebuild a pandemic supply, and when emergency rooms go on diversion this summer, we'll tell those folks to just get over whatever it is that's wrong with them.

Hell, come 4th of July, we'll just tell those folks who just hadta lose a finger to a firework that they was sacrificin' their digits for freedom, and they'll be seen in a few hours!

But as far as what I thought? I had no control over it. I know that our healthcare system isn't designed to to be bumrushed by the thousands, and if I was concerned that there might not be enough beds to take care of sick people, then excuse the **** outta me.


Either this virus was going to over tax the hospitals, or it is not. If if is, or will, like we have been led to believe, then social distancing and masks are a good idea. This is NOT being practiced at the protests where thousands are showing up, it has nothing to do with politics, zero.

A true liberal dilemma, stand up for wearing masks and distancing or allow people to congregate by the thousands in a march. But you can't go to a stadium, a concert and only half capacity in restaurants......

Do I have the right to do these things?


Believe it or not, I know several people who would have joined the protests if it weren't for COVID-19. I'm not the kind of person who goes to protests, but there was a peaceful protest about a mile from me and I might have considered going if it weren't for COVID-19. So yes, some people are staying home. Pictures of the one near my house showed almost everyone wearing a mask, although admittedly most were close together while crowded onto sidewalks. I was not too happy with my brother who attended one of the right-wing "open everything up" protests and then visiting my elderly mom, and I wouldn't be too happy with anyone in my family going to one of the BLM protests and then visiting her. So, does this make me a hypocrite? I don't think so, but if it does I don't care.

Hey, while on the subject of hypocrites, did you see that Pat Robertson, the man who once said that if you are against Trump you are against God, slammed Trump on his opposition to the protests?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/06/02/pat-robertson-trump-isnt -cool-protests/


stormyrider - 6/3/2020 at 09:50 AM

At the protest I drove by Monday might, pretty much everyone was wearing masks. The new and social media warned to wear a mask if you went out, and if you couldn’t maintain 6 ft at least stay near people you know. I’m sure not everyone did that, buy it there were ample warnings in my neck of the woods and also on CNN. There were also interviews/columns that health experts are concerned about another bump in cases because if protests

So no, the virus was not ignored. I didn’t see the hypocrisy of the so called liberal media ( liberal defined as anything but Fox)


porkchopbob - 6/3/2020 at 12:36 PM

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Either this virus was going to over tax the hospitals, or it is not. If if is, or will, like we have been led to believe, then social distancing and masks are a good idea. This is NOT being practiced at the protests where thousands are showing up, it has nothing to do with politics, zero.

A true liberal dilemma, stand up for wearing masks and distancing or allow people to congregate by the thousands in a march. But you can't go to a stadium, a concert and only half capacity in restaurants......

Do I have the right to do these things?

It DID tax hospitals! Have you had your your head in the Sedona sand? Medical professionals in many major metropolitan areas were overworked and some were so exhausted they committed suicide. If you didn't see increases in your area hopefully that means that the precautions taken helped curb the spread into less densely populated areas. And we don't know what the increase will be after the protests because symptoms aren't immediate (a college football player reported he tested positive after protesting).

It again goes to PRIORITIES. The vast majority of people are still at home. Even though you see lots of people on the streets on your TV screen, it's really not a large portion of the population. No one wants protests but after THREE incendiary racist incidents, two in which murder would have gone uncharged had it not been recorded, some people were more pissed off about injustice than they were about social distancing (however, many still wore masks and stood at a distance). Some places are back on curfew and cops have been spraying crowds with rubber bullets to get them to disperse. However, if they are peaceful and safe, cops are allowing the protests to proceed.

Speaking of hypocrites, you had no problem when white people raided capitol building and yelled at cops in the middle of the pandemic, but now it's a "liberal dilemma"? This really isn't that complicated, unless you are only paying attention to what you want.


Rusty - 6/3/2020 at 12:51 PM

Again - not intending to be a total Melvin or anything, but how smart is it to bring your baby to a protest? Yes, she's a little cutie-pie-babydoll and all that, but how well do you think those tiny lungs can process pepper spray? Not as bad as the looters, but also bad-protest practice.


porkchopbob - 6/3/2020 at 01:08 PM

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Again - not intending to be a total Melvin or anything, but how smart is it to bring your baby to a protest? Yes, she's a little cutie-pie-babydoll and all that, but how well do you think those tiny lungs can process pepper spray? Not as bad as the looters, but also bad-protest practice.


The watermark on that photo states it is from Pasadena, where they had a small, peaceful vigil.

https://www.pasadenastarnews.com/2020/06/02/first-of-two-george-floyd-inspi red-protests-underway-in-pasadena/


Rusty - 6/3/2020 at 01:17 PM

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Again - not intending to be a total Melvin or anything, but how smart is it to bring your baby to a protest? Yes, she's a little cutie-pie-babydoll and all that, but how well do you think those tiny lungs can process pepper spray? Not as bad as the looters, but also bad-protest practice.


The watermark on that photo states it is from Pasadena, where they had a small, peaceful vigil.

https://www.pasadenastarnews.com/2020/06/02/first-of-two-george-floyd-inspi red-protests-underway-in-pasadena/


Isn't that how they all start out? Are there "matinee protests" for families?


porkchopbob - 6/3/2020 at 01:33 PM

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Again - not intending to be a total Melvin or anything, but how smart is it to bring your baby to a protest? Yes, she's a little cutie-pie-babydoll and all that, but how well do you think those tiny lungs can process pepper spray? Not as bad as the looters, but also bad-protest practice.


The watermark on that photo states it is from Pasadena, where they had a small, peaceful vigil.

https://www.pasadenastarnews.com/2020/06/02/first-of-two-george-floyd-inspi red-protests-underway-in-pasadena/

Isn't that how they all start out? Are there "matinee protests" for families?

I'm not saying I would do the same. Just giving context that this wasn't on a Minneapolis freeway. The vigil was peaceful, as the vast majority of vigils and small-scale gatherings have been across the country. The vandals are the lead on the 6 o'clock news, they close the half hour with the peaceful events. Nothing happened here, and that's good.


BIGV - 6/3/2020 at 07:30 PM

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Again - not intending to be a total Melvin or anything, but how smart is it to bring your baby to a protest? Yes, she's a little cutie-pie-babydoll and all that, but how well do you think those tiny lungs can process pepper spray? Not as bad as the looters, but also bad-protest practice.





Also, NO MASK, thousands of people; Covid 19 is a killer!


porkchopbob - 6/3/2020 at 07:49 PM

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Also, NO MASK, thousands of people; Covid 19 is a killer!

It does kill, mostly the elderly and infirm. About 100,000 people nationwide, thus far. Rarely affects children. Stay informed!

But also killers: Minnesota cops, Georgia father & son, Kentucky cops...

But you don't care because you are overloaded with 2 different issues at the same time and confusing that for some form of hypocrisy.

Reminds me of what Norm MacDonald regarding Bill Cosby:
quote:
Patton Oswalt said “the worst thing about the Bill Cosby thing is the hypocrisy of it all...” and I disagree. I thought the worst part was the raping.


lukester420 - 6/3/2020 at 07:54 PM

Starting to smell like old lady farts in the desert in this thread.


BrerRabbit - 6/3/2020 at 07:58 PM

The cop that snuffed Floyd wasn't masked. Where is the outrage.


BIGV - 6/3/2020 at 10:31 PM

Once again, this has zero to do with the right to protest. We all stayed at home, practice social distancing and have been asked to wear masks. Marching and congregating mere inches from the throngs next to you can not be good....


gina - 6/3/2020 at 10:35 PM

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Assembling for the purpose of committing criminal mischief like looting is not a protected activity.


Then why are people who are assembling peacefully getting sprayed, gassed and shot with rubber bullets anyway?


Pissed off cops who are hell bent on control.


Stephen - 6/3/2020 at 10:41 PM

Hopefully outrage won’t break out at the memorial service tmrw in Minneapolis
W/Chauvin’s 3 accomplices now being charged
& w/isolated pockets of the law enforcement community showing understanding for people’s outrage by taking a knee

...it should help to calm whatever raw feelings there might be lingering among those attending

“I am no better
& neither are you
We are the same in whatever we do
Love me, hate me.......
Makes no difference what group I’m in....”

Sly had such great songs about this stuff
That’s why Everybody dug Sly - everyday people


gina - 6/3/2020 at 10:42 PM

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Some BLM protesters are taking the all lives matter approach, but they say black lives are threatened.

All lives matters mantra was an attempt by some to either minimize the BLM movement intentionally or to say that genuinely that all lives matter, why single out a specific race - these people miss the point of BLM and what minorities have to live with.

I like seeing BLM take up that line that all lives matter and then they can emphasize the urgency of what they are talking about related to the black community.


I understand they feel marginalized and relegated to 2nd citizenry but the misuse of power and abuse by cops is not limited to just black people. Everyone has felt it's wrath. My friend is white lived in Park Slope Brooklyn and was abused by the 77th precinct. There are at least two issues one is race motivating Officer Chauvin to apply the techniques that killed George Floyd, and the other that the techniques are on the books at all.


gina - 6/3/2020 at 10:57 PM

5,000 protesters in NYC held on the Manhattan Bridge between Brooklyn and Manhattan before being told to go back home to Brooklyn. More looting in Manhattan. There is still a COVID-19 quarantine being ignored by the protesters.

Https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8384513/new-york-city-cracks-dark- 280-arrested-breaking-8pm-curfew.html


In Houston things were different. 60,000 protesters came out to support BLM protests for George Floyd.

Http://yahoo.com/news/just-george-floyd-family-stunned-004416680.html


Other places things not peaceful.
Https://www.yahoo.com/move-die-freightened-truck-drivers-183813944.html



[Edited on 6/3/2020 by gina]


gina - 6/3/2020 at 11:16 PM

Case updates:

Https://www.startribune.com/chauvin-charged-with-2nd-degree-murder-3-others -also charged/570984872/

Attorney General Keith Ellison, a black Progressive Congressman and Civil Rights attorney is taking over the case from Prosecutor Mike Freeman after Governor Walz reassigned the case. The charges were upgraded to 2nd degree murder after reported consultation with Mr. Floyd's family. CNN has a tape contradicting Derek Chauvin's assertion that Floyd was resisting arrest when subdued with his knee.

Additionally the other three officers are/going to be charged with aiding and abetting a murder.

Officer Thao who turned his back at the car has been investigated 6 other times because of complaints and has one case pending .

Officer Chauvin had 17 internal affairs investigations on him over the years including one in Aug. 2007 where he pulled a woman out of her car after stopping her for a speeding ticket, young ten miles per hour over the limit.

In 2006 he shot and killed a suspect with a hun.

In 2008 he shot a domestic violence assault suspect.

In 2011 he fired at a man running from a shooting.

Chauvin was a military police officer with the US Army
Sept 1996 to Feb 1997
Sept 1999 to May 2000

Https://www.yahoo.com/news/officer-involved-george-floyds-killing-203357728 .html



gina - 6/4/2020 at 01:23 AM

No social distancing happening in these demonstrations. Covid-19 continues.

Today 1045 New cases for NY

525 new cases for NJ

429 new cases MASS

512 new cases PA

807 new cases MARYLAND

666 new cases VIRGINIA

130 new cases DC


cyclone88 - 6/4/2020 at 01:31 PM

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Also, NO MASK, thousands of people; Covid 19 is a killer!


And the autopsy revealed that George Floyd had COVID19.


BIGV - 6/4/2020 at 02:41 PM

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It again goes to PRIORITIES. The vast majority of people are still at home. Even though you see lots of people on the streets on your TV screen, it's really not a large portion of the population.



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And the same people seemed to think "Liberty" means "I get to do absolutely whatever I want", as if they had never seen a closed public park


Both of these are your quotes. Let's arrest a woman for going to a playground with the intent being "THE PARK IS CLOSED FOR HEALTH REASONS" and the possible endangerment of others and the concern of spreading Covid 19 to others including children. But when THOUSANDS show up in crowds with NO DISTANCING and with a good percentage not wearing masks, it's " really not a large portion of the population"

Now go ahead and claim the social unrest is an adequate reason to turn a blind eye to a killer virus, then state that it's a small percentage of the population..

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I think a good analogy is a seat belt. Sure, it increases your chances of surviving a crash which is great for you, but it also keeps your body from flying into someone else's wind shield or ending up in a hospital ER.


"I think a good analogy is a seat belt"....Unless you are attending a protest with THOUSANDS where the seatbelt/mask comparison does not apply.

Another gem below that is evidently not applicable to large crowds because "it's really not a large portion of the population" but go to a playground!!!!!

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Is playing in parks while people suffer and die really the hill you want to die on, BIGV?


Are people still suffering from this virus PK Bob? Where do you think this virus is more likely to be spread?..In a playground?...Or on the streets where THOUSANDS are tightly packed together?..But oh yeah .."it's really not a large portion of the population"

And my favorite PorkChopBob!

quote:
Restaurants pretty much every where are doing take out and delivery (including NYC) The issue is places where people congregate - bars, churches, parks, stadiums, theaters, etc. California had a lock down after they got hit hard with COVID cases before they even knew it. Other areas less densely populated are trying to be preventative so they don't have to be as aggressive in their response. It's really not that much to ask that you stay away from a park. Most people aren't taking their kids out of the house if they don't have to, these rules are often made for the dumbest or least responsible (like anti-vacc'ers). Because if everyone ignored them and went to the beach or the park, then you have an issue.


quote:
The issue is places where people congregate


Tell us bob, are people "Congregating" in the streets at these protests? But oh yeah .."it's really not a large portion of the population"

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Most people aren't taking their kids out of the house if they don't have to, these rules are often made for the dumbest or least responsible (like anti-vacc'ers)


There is a photo in this thread of a protester holding up a child with NO MASK and one of the first comments was a concern with the child being exposed to pepper spray

quote:
these rules are often made for the dumbest or least responsible (like anti-vacc'ers)


Or self-centered protesters who feel their right to protest supersedes the importance of this virus not returning?

Now go ahead and call me a racist and while you are at it, tell us this again!! "Sure, there's a disparity in the degree to which some areas are affected, but that's merely a luxury of time".


lukester420 - 6/4/2020 at 03:44 PM

At least Anti Vaxx mom didn't have to get her face ground into the pavement for a minor offense.


Rusty - 6/4/2020 at 03:53 PM

The health and safety risks of "congregations" in the street have been pointed out by many including mayors and newscasters. I read where an Oklahoma State football player tested positive after attending one of the protests.

On the surface - yes, this appears to be an irresponsible act. I suppose that many people have weighed their own health and safety risks against STANDING UP AND SPEAKING OUT against horrific police practices. If a person KNEW that they had the virus and attended - that's one thing. There are others who are perfectly healthy who are willing to take these risks. This is a pretty non-selfish act that borders on heroism.

As the Atlanta mayor recommended: "if you've attended one of the protests - you need to get the Covid test!"

(FYI - I just had my SECOND Covid test in 8 days! They do not get any easier! )


BIGV - 6/4/2020 at 04:37 PM

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On the surface - yes, this appears to be an irresponsible act. I suppose that many people have weighed their own health and safety risks against STANDING UP AND SPEAKING OUT against horrific police practices. If a person KNEW that they had the virus and attended - that's one thing. There are others who are perfectly healthy who are willing to take these risks. This is a pretty non-selfish act that borders on heroism.


"appears to be"..NO DOUBT.

quote:
If a person KNEW that they had the virus and attended - that's one thing.


Not one week ago, the CDC and WHO claimed you can carry this virus and not know it. Thus the reason for social distancing...Unless of course the risk of this virus returning is based on the "heroism" of standing in the streets among thousands...


porkchopbob - 6/4/2020 at 04:44 PM

Geez V, you're all over the place. I stand by what I said, you haven't refuted anything. I applaud your research here but I'm still not really sure what your overall argument is - you want everyone to be able to protest without masks? COVID-19 is a hoax? Or you want all protesters arrested? In typical V fashion you mischaracterize events, ignore context, and how responses are different to different situations or escalations (soccer moms vs. crowds of people). You seem to think no protesters have been arrested. And for some reason you have created the straw man argument that I want people to congregate for protests (or something?). As you championed, one size does not fit all, but now you want everything wrapped in an equal bow - pretty hypocritical.

quote:
Let's arrest a woman for going to a playground with the intent being "THE PARK IS CLOSED FOR HEALTH REASONS" and the possible endangerment of others and the concern of spreading Covid 19 to others including children. But when THOUSANDS show up in crowds with NO DISTANCING and with a good percentage not wearing masks, it's " really not a large portion of the population"

Now go ahead and claim the social unrest is an adequate reason to turn a blind eye to a killer virus, then state that it's a small percentage of the population..


Say what? No one has turned a blind eye to the virus - you completely made that up or just aren't paying attention. Police have been attempting to disperse crowds in many areas for the past week, curfews are back in place. Meanwhile, the conservative blogging soccer mom wanted to be arrested in protest. Protesters, kind of by definition, disrupt to get peoples' attention - we're not supposed to like it, even if we support the cause. Like people who stormed the MI and OH capitol buildings last month without masks on - you had no problem with their lack of safety precautions. There have been peaceful vigils, but in the month since that mother was arrested for refusing an officer of the law's orders on property she didn't own, many other protesters in the streets have been arrested. NYC is not Boise. Remember, as you championed, one size does not fit all.

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"I think a good analogy is a seat belt"....Unless you are attending a protest with THOUSANDS where the seatbelt/mask comparison does not apply.


You misunderstand the analogy, as well as how masks and social distancing work. The analogy is that a mask/seat belt is a safety precaution for both you, the people around you (a mask walking on the street, be it in protest or to the market, or a seat belt while on a busy the highway), and health care professionals/responders. The mask is meant to help protect you from those in close proximity. In other cases, keep your distance. So it still applies, you just didn't understand any of it.

quote:
Another gem below that is evidently not applicable to large crowds because "it's really not a large portion of the population" but go to a playground!!!!!

quote:Is playing in parks while people suffer and die really the hill you want to die on, BIGV?

Are people still suffering from this virus PK Bob? Where do you think this virus is more likely to be spread?..In a playground?...Or on the streets where THOUSANDS are tightly packed together?..But oh yeah .."it's really not a large portion of the population"


I've already mentioned how the protests are not helping COVID-19 recovery. I know you read that because you responded to it. So this is a straw man that you've gotten yourself upset about. You've also taken my quote about the population of protesters out of context, not surprisingly.

quote:
And my favorite PorkChopBob!

quote:Restaurants pretty much every where are doing take out and delivery (including NYC) The issue is places where people congregate - bars, churches, parks, stadiums, theaters, etc. California had a lock down after they got hit hard with COVID cases before they even knew it. Other areas less densely populated are trying to be preventative so they don't have to be as aggressive in their response. It's really not that much to ask that you stay away from a park. Most people aren't taking their kids out of the house if they don't have to, these rules are often made for the dumbest or least responsible (like anti-vacc'ers). Because if everyone ignored them and went to the beach or the park, then you have an issue.

quote: The issue is places where people congregate

Tell us bob, are people "Congregating" in the streets at these protests? But oh yeah .."it's really not a large portion of the population"

Again, another straw man argument you've created. What I said is accurate, but no where did I say I want people to go protest right next to each other without masks on right now. Some vigils are occurring safely at a distance from each other with masks on, but I'm still staying home. Also, I'd wager there were more people across the country in restaurants than on the street protesting, neither of which keep COVID-19 from spreading. So you are arguing with yourself here.

quote:
Most people aren't taking their kids out of the house if they don't have to, these rules are often made for the dumbest or least responsible (like anti-vacc'ers)
There is a photo in this thread of a protester holding up a child with NO MASK and one of the first comments was a concern with the child being exposed to pepper spray


"Most" people and a single photo. Bravo! That's what you have? I linked to the article and there were 30 photos of people at that event spaced apart with masks on. One dad out with his kid (assuming?) in a safe, rich suburb doesn't prove that MOST people aren't taking their kids out of the house. You've got nothing here.


As you like to say, actions in life have consequences. If you can learn anything from these past weeks, it's that they have different consequences for different people. They always have. There are often variables out of our control.

Yes, it sucks that there are two situations that are overlapping each other in a potentially inflammatory way. A Boise soccer mom refusing an officer's orders is going to get a different response than a crowd of angry people marching. But no where are you ever concerned that a Boise soccer mom is treated differently by cops than a black man - she wasn't murdered with her face in the pavement. COVID-19 is a threat, but that doesn't mean it's the only issue we must deal with at one time. Maybe Venn Diagrams aren't your thing.

Finally, you have a tendency to create straw man arguments. Please save us time and stop inventing arguments that no one made, you will save yourself some energy.

Have a great day.


porkchopbob - 6/4/2020 at 04:46 PM

quote:
Not one week ago, the CDC and WHO claimed you can carry this virus and not know it. Thus the reason for social distancing...


They've known that for MONTHS - it's called asymptomatic.


gina - 6/4/2020 at 08:34 PM

There was a very moving Memorial Service today in Minneapolis for George Floyd. Rev. Al Sharpton asked people to stand for 8:46 seconds of silence. Then he said that's how long it took while the officer had his knee on George. He had time to reconsider the pleas of a dieing man he didn't. 8:46 seconds is enough time he could've stopped. Even Ben Crump the family's attorney cried.

Beautiful gospel music like Gregg Allman would do at a service like that.

From Minneapolis they go to Raeford, North Carolina for a private service, and then Monday will be a public viewing in Houston and the funeral Tuesday at the Fountain of Praise Church.

Yes he already has changed the country and now he can breathe.

Https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/you-changed-the-world-george-floyd-eulogi zed-at-emotional-memorial/ar-BB152gx9?li=BBnb7Kz



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gina - 6/4/2020 at 08:39 PM

There is yet another case of a suspect who was murdered by police. Cause of death Respiratory arrest. Hypoxia and physical restraint. SEATTLE. Manuel Ellis. March 2020.

Https://www.yahoo.com/news/another-man-said-cant-breathe-122007254.html


BIGV - 6/4/2020 at 08:41 PM

quote:
You misunderstand the analogy, as well as how masks and social distancing work


I have "misunderstood" nothing. You put forth a conveniently hypocritical argument that suits your agenda.

Have a nice day.


BrerRabbit - 6/4/2020 at 08:42 PM

Thanks for reminding us what the thread is about gina.


gina - 6/4/2020 at 08:52 PM

The ongoing looting in NYC is now known to be being caused by an organized group behind the looters. They are being dropped off in luxury cars with power tools. There are buckets of concrete rocks and pallets of bricks along the routes of their looting. It is not happenstance or a protester whose anger has just boiled over. This is planned, premeditated and executed with excellent timing. Pick up and drop offs of looters. They hit and run get picked up and dropped off at the next looting target point.

Https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8384139/NYC-looters-dropped-cars-t ools-picked-driven-location.html


The pallets of bricks seen in more cities than NYC.

Someone wants a race/civil war and takedown of our government. What's worse is there are many known suspects. Antifa, Occupy Wall Street, China, Democrats?, Anarchists known and unknown, rogue government factions, new world order supporters.

So whose doing the looting? Any of the above.

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gina - 6/4/2020 at 09:16 PM

Chicago P.D. specifies carotid restraints are a deadly force technique.
Los Angeles says their cops are allowed to use the techniques in circumstances that call for deadly force.
NYPD banned chokeholds in 1993 but still used in on Eric Garner to kill him

San Diego is stopping use of carotid restraint.

Https://www.yahoo.com/news/several-police-departments-nationwide-banned-014 608638.html


When will other police forces honor life and stop using DEADLY FORCE techniques. They should never need to do this. Two officers should be able to subdue and handcuff someone. What gives them the right to use techniques that can KILL someone who has not even had due process or been to court and been found guilty? They are murdering SUSPECTS. Appointing themselves judge, jury, and executioner. Where do they get those powers from?

VAP must stop. Violence Against PEOPLE, any and all people.

Not just black people ALL people, all inclusive.


porkchopbob - 6/4/2020 at 09:37 PM

quote:
I have "misunderstood" nothing. You put forth a conveniently hypocritical argument that suits your agenda.

Agenda? I would love to know what you think my agenda is. My agenda was to inform you, because you clearly don't even understand the purpose of a medical mask. But this is all too typical, when you've been completely contradicted, your own hypocrisy exposed with your own words, you pivot and make up new arguments out of thin air.

It's telling that you've high-jacked a thread about the outrage over to the murder of minorities into a thread about COVID-19 social distancing, something you previously didn't care about or even believe in. Talk about agenda, you more concerned about the injustice of a soccer mom than those murdered in the street.


BIGV - 6/4/2020 at 10:51 PM

quote:
My agenda was to inform you


Save it. I care little about being "enlightened" or "informed" by posters on a musical message board. I merely pointed out in detail what a hypocrite you are using your very own words....and you've very typically responded with the quote above. To disagree with you calls for an "education" and there is little chance for disagreement in principal, because people with opposing views "just do not understand"...

Oh my...


BrerRabbit - 6/4/2020 at 11:16 PM

^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG1NrQYXjLU


lukester420 - 6/4/2020 at 11:45 PM

quote:


Save it. I care little about being "enlightened" or "informed" by posters on a musical message board.




So what exactly do you care about here besides being a habitual sh!t stirrer?


nebish - 6/5/2020 at 12:00 AM

quote:
quote:
My agenda was to inform you


Save it. I care little about being "enlightened" or "informed" by posters on a musical message board. I merely pointed out in detail what a hypocrite you are using your very own words....and you've very typically responded with the quote above. To disagree with you calls for an "education" and there is little chance for disagreement in principal, because people with opposing views "just do not understand"...

Oh my...



Don't we all try to inform others of our different points of view, facts, issues, circumstances and thoughts that everyone might not be thinking about? BigV, don't you yourself try to inform others with your posts? Doesn't mean everyone has to accept that information or agree, just saying, exchanging information and ideas...isn't that the whole idea?


porkchopbob - 6/5/2020 at 12:06 AM

quote:
Save it. I care little about being "enlightened" or "informed" by posters on a musical message board. I merely pointed out in detail what a hypocrite you are using your very own words....and you've very typically responded with the quote above. To disagree with you calls for an "education" and there is little chance for disagreement in principal, because people with opposing views "just do not understand"...


Dude, you wrote a big old smug post trying to contradict comments I've made, I countered and pointed out many inaccuracies and glaring hypocrisies of your own and you have conveniently ignored all of it because I pointed out a few items you mischaracterized (a month ago you didn't even know there was curbside grocery pickup). Toughen up dude, don't dish it if you can't take it. I'd love to discuss differences of opinion, but not continuous straw men.


gina - 6/5/2020 at 01:12 AM

Rev.Al Sharpton announced today that there will be a demonstration in Washington. DC on August 28, which is the anniversary of the historic Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. I Have A Dream speech. He was inspired by the protest marches of whites in London and other places and thinks this time maybe change can happen.

Https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/al-sharpton-on-anniversary-of-historic-de monstration/ar-BB153bdc?li=BBnbfcL




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BIGV - 6/5/2020 at 05:38 AM

quote:
quote:


Save it. I care little about being "enlightened" or "informed" by posters on a musical message board.




So what exactly do you care about here besides being a habitual sh!t stirrer?


Typical, to disagree with you is "Stirring the ****"

Please


BIGV - 6/5/2020 at 05:42 AM

quote:
quote:
Save it. I care little about being "enlightened" or "informed" by posters on a musical message board. I merely pointed out in detail what a hypocrite you are using your very own words....and you've very typically responded with the quote above. To disagree with you calls for an "education" and there is little chance for disagreement in principal, because people with opposing views "just do not understand"...


Dude, you wrote a big old smug post trying to contradict comments I've made, I countered and pointed out many inaccuracies and glaring hypocrisies of your own and you have conveniently ignored all of it because I pointed out a few items you mischaracterized (a month ago you didn't even know there was curbside grocery pickup). Toughen up dude, don't dish it if you can't take it. I'd love to discuss differences of opinion, but not continuous straw men.


I did not "try"...I did.


porkchopbob - 6/5/2020 at 12:16 PM

quote:
I did not "try"...I did.

No. All you did was prove COVID-19 and the response to several racially charged incidents are separate issues that are tangentially related. You linked comments superficially that contradicted arguments that only exist in your own head. I have asked what your actual point is, because it is still super unclear, and you can't even answer. Every time someone here contradicts you or corrects you, you completely ignore it and respond with bullish rhetoric.

As nebish mentioned, we come here to discuss and learn. I learn a lot from everyone, I read far more than I engage. We all have different experiences or live in different areas that are affected in unique ways. I have friends and family across the country and beyond who have insight into what is happening there. There are perspectives and articles here that I wouldn't normally come across that I find enlightening. But if you just want to drop the "gotcha!" hammer, at least know what the hell it is you are talking about.


stormyrider - 6/5/2020 at 02:50 PM

As an aside, my sister in law attended a protest in SF. She only saw 1 person without a mask, and people were spaced (maybe not 6 feet - but it wasn't crowded)
No press there - it was boring, no violence


BIGV - 6/5/2020 at 02:59 PM

quote:
quote:
I did not "try"...I did.


No. All you did was prove COVID-19 and the response to several racially charged incidents are separate issues that are tangentially related


"tangentially related" Nice try. You can not preach about the importance of defeating this virus and turn around in the next sentence and argue for an exception because it is "racially charged"....You are one of the biggest hypocrites here...


nebish - 6/5/2020 at 03:33 PM

quote:
As an aside, my sister in law attended a protest in SF. She only saw 1 person without a mask, and people were spaced (maybe not 6 feet - but it wasn't crowded)
No press there - it was boring, no violence


Media is good at sensationalizing things...not so good showing regular people give moving speeches on courthouse steps. But ultimately I guess they give us what we want and what gets viewers and what sells advertising.


porkchopbob - 6/5/2020 at 03:35 PM

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"tangentially related" Nice try. You can not preach about the importance of defeating this virus and turn around in the next sentence and argue for an exception because it is "racially charged"....You are one of the biggest hypocrites here...

Not true at all. I never argued for an exception for protestors "because" it is racially charged - you're incorrectly applying the description of the situation as the cause for the response. I never even argued for an exception. I even mentioned here that protestors were going to complicate COVID-19 cases. This is yet another argument that you have created in your head.

And they are two issues that overlap like a Venn Diagram - they aren't the same issue, but affect each other! But you care more about the hypocrisy of every single police precinct's response to COVID-19 versus their response to protestors as if it should be exactly the same. As you have lauded, "one size does not fit all", these are all different situations even when similar, but you hypocritically want it to be the same because you think you have the right to go to a park anytime you want to. Talk about axe to grind. You can't see the forest from the trees.

Go play in park.


Bhawk - 6/5/2020 at 04:06 PM

quote:
quote:
As an aside, my sister in law attended a protest in SF. She only saw 1 person without a mask, and people were spaced (maybe not 6 feet - but it wasn't crowded)
No press there - it was boring, no violence


Media is good at sensationalizing things...not so good showing regular people give moving speeches on courthouse steps. But ultimately I guess they give us what we want and what gets viewers and what sells advertising.


I rarely have time to watch the news or cable news punditry, I rely on a very robust twitter feed I've built, and the most heinous things I've seen are videos taken by actual citizens while they are 10 feet away from and in the middle of the brutality.

IMO, the viewing public has been completely played by the perceived size of "riots and looting" outside of Minneapolis and maybe New York when looking at how many people are involved and how much property is involved when compared to the overall size of the country and our population. People also continue to refuse to look deeper to who is actually doing what. Anarchy is a thing. Black Bloc Anarchy is a thing....independent of party or political ideology.

Here in Kansas City, the first six days there was a standoff of riot shields, tear gas, arrests, protesters, mostly peaceful but also some looking to fight the police. Two nights ago, the mayor rescinded the curfew, the cops took their helmets off and put the shields down, and we've since had two nights of peaceful protests with ZERO incidents. He believed that the issue was the curfew itself, it was putting the police in a horrific position of having to clear the streets at a certain time. It worked here, might not work elsewhere. The KCPD has also agreed to 24/7 body cams, and also has created a policy that the city council has already passed that any future incidents of excessive force or death must be investigated by an independent body outside of the police force. In this instance, one might say the protests are working.

There are cops I'm friends with and their feelings are varied and complicated, but to a person they are disgusted with what happened to George Floyd.

The world didn't change because everyone has a phone. The world has changed because everyone has a camera.


porkchopbob - 6/5/2020 at 04:16 PM

quote:
The world didn't change because everyone has a phone. The world has changed because everyone has a camera.

Yeah, everyone wants to document what is happening, and viewers see a 10 second clip that only tells a 10 second story.

But when you think about it, we wouldn't be here if people hadn't documented Floyd and Arbery with cameras.


gina - 6/5/2020 at 04:18 PM

Lung Doctor Analyzes George Floyd Autopsy Report - [Medical Explanation]

Dr. Mike Hansen

Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oEp63dulc


Https://www.twitter.com/Mike_Hansen_MD

Try his twitter feed before the powers that be eff with that.

What did come out is that George was dead 2:56 seconds into being kneed.

He has a website George Floyd's lawyer should ask him for his video that I cited above.

Https://drmikehansen.com











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porkchopbob - 6/5/2020 at 04:29 PM

quote:
IMO, the viewing public has been completely played by the perceived size of "riots and looting" outside of Minneapolis and maybe New York when looking at how many people are involved and how much property is involved when compared to the overall size of the country and our population. People also continue to refuse to look deeper to who is actually doing what. Anarchy is a thing. Black Bloc Anarchy is a thing....independent of party or political ideology. .

Things in south Florida have been pretty quiet and peaceful. There was some looting in Miami and West Palm, but the past week has mostly been peaceful protests conducted at a distance with masks on.

There's a film making technique to imply crowds off camera by framing tightly - the viewer instinctively assumes more beyond the frame the crowd (or what have you) extends. Kind of like Trump's inauguration.


gina - 6/5/2020 at 05:10 PM

Of the other officers charged in the case

J. Alexander Keung was only on his third shift as a police officer. He told the others "you shouldn't do that". Keung held down Floyd's back.
Lawyer Thomas Plunkett.

Thomas Lane on his 4th day as a cop. He is the one who originally handcuffed George Floyd, and he asked Chauvin at least twice "shall we roll him over", Chauvin told him not to. When George was dieing and saw his Mother and cried "Oh Mama" P.O. Lane told Chauvin he was worried about "excitement delerium", Chauvin told him "that's why we have him on his stomach". Lane pressed on the legs.

Both indicated they were following orders of their Commanding Officer, even though they disagreed with him.

Https://yahoo.com/news/2-police-officers-charged-over-095237755.html

Https://yahoo.com/news/ex-minneapolis-cop-told-other-20454788.html



Lane is represented by Earl Gray, Esquire.


gina - 6/5/2020 at 06:09 PM

Brutal Force Unnecessary

For resistant prisoners, use the pepper spray. Handcuff them with zip ties, put them in car take to precinct.

For kicking suspects use the above and add those prison cuffs to the ankles that allow them to walk.

For jacked up crack methheads- put a pillow case over their heads that has an opening for their head so they can see.

How difficult is this? There is no reason for knees on necks or chokeholds. If they feel these are not enough someone could develop prisoner harnesses, though that should not be necessary.






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gina - 6/5/2020 at 06:33 PM

After a civil rights lawsuit was filed this week, Minneapolis NOW ban police chokeholds and neck restraints.

Https://www.yahoo.com/news/witness-floyd-didnt-resist-arrest-155340907.html

The City Council expected to approve the measure today. It requires court approval. It requires any officer to radio or phone in from the scene the use of any neck restraint or chokehold to his Commander or the Commander's superiors as well as their duty to verbally and physically intervene in the situation.


REMARKS: This needs to be NATIONAL reform. And apply it to the DEA, and other federal agents as well as all statewide police nationwide.



gina - 6/5/2020 at 07:14 PM

In NYC the violence continues. Rayne Valentine came to NYC to help the covid patients. He works transporting them at Brooklyn Hospital. He was leaving his job at 11:45 pm his hospital ID-Badge was plainly visible on him and he saw a swarm of cops chasing protester he stepped back and started filming. The cops beat him up. He had to walk back to his hospital spend 7 hours there get 7 staples in his head and 2 CAT scans. The Daily Beast has info.

They are beating up food delivery workers too.

Https://www.twitter.com/PeterNHess

Https://www.independent.co.uk

Https://www.twitter.com/gideonoliver

Https://www.twitter.com/TaylorShubert

And a Palestinian gives advice to the protesters from what they have learned over there to identify the weapons being used so you know what is to come.

Https://www.twitter.com/rananazzalh

NYC is a war zone.


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BIGV - 6/5/2020 at 07:48 PM

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"tangentially related" Nice try. You can not preach about the importance of defeating this virus and turn around in the next sentence and argue for an exception because it is "racially charged"....You are one of the biggest hypocrites here...

Not true at all. I never argued for an exception for protestors "because" it is racially charged - you're incorrectly applying the description of the situation as the cause for the response. I never even argued for an exception. I even mentioned here that protestors were going to complicate COVID-19 cases. This is yet another argument that you have created in your head.

And they are two issues that overlap like a Venn Diagram - they aren't the same issue, but affect each other! But you care more about the hypocrisy of every single police precinct's response to COVID-19 versus their response to protestors as if it should be exactly the same. As you have lauded, "one size does not fit all", these are all different situations even when similar, but you hypocritically want it to be the same because you think you have the right to go to a park anytime you want to. Talk about axe to grind. You can't see the forest from the trees.

Go play in park.


You are correct and I agree with the "one size does not fit all" answer to this dilemma. My argument has been and will remain the blatant hypocrisy among those here who preached the dangers of this virus including and not limited to the highly contagious aspects, the need for masks, social distancing and etc. These are the same people who are now as quiet as Church mice when faced with the very real possibility of a huge spike because of the total disregard of the danger still lurking. All under the flag of rights which has never been questioned, least of all by me. Go ahead, claim any defense that suits you, but if you were in the least consistent in your beliefs and the arguments you put forth here which I quoted, you would have been shouting STAY AT HOME, WEAR A MASK AND SOCIAL DISTANCE just as loudly as you were before the horrible murder of George Floyd. But you have not and you've tried every reason under the sun to try to explain why the social rules we as a society agreed upon to defeat this virus, flatten the curve and keep the burden off the health care system, are not applicable. Merely mentioning that "protesters were going to complicate COVID-19 cases" is nowhere near the same as condemnation of a behavior that very likely could be responsible for the economy once more grounding to a halt...But hey, people got to march, loot and rob all while holding up signs.


porkchopbob - 6/5/2020 at 09:09 PM

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Go ahead, claim any defense that suits you, but if you were in the least consistent in your beliefs and the arguments you put forth here which I quoted, you would have been shouting STAY AT HOME, WEAR A MASK AND SOCIAL DISTANCE just as loudly as you were before the horrible murder of George Floyd.


So you need a COVID-19 disclaimer ahead of every post about police murder and public outrage? Everyone else here is able to discuss two separate topics like adults, while being fully aware of the effect they have on each other. Well, apparently almost everyone, since you've been grinding your axe in every other thread. I've repeatedly said, I'm staying home. For some bizarre reason you think the whole planet is standing on a bridge in Minneapolis, shoulder-to-shoulder. If people want to safely protest or assemble, good for them. As soon as the protest began, everyone mentioned the fear of them reigniting COVID-19 (and that's assuming it's under any sort of control at the moment) Not all of us needed that explained repeatedly. But if you want my daily COVID-19 report, I'm happy to give it to you.

If protestors disobey officers of the law, I hope they get the one The Karen in Boise got and not a Chauvin (you know, the subject of the thread that you've disregarded)





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BIGV - 6/5/2020 at 09:34 PM

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If people want to safely protest or assemble, good for them.


quote:
The issue is places where people congregate - bars, churches, parks, stadiums, theaters, etc.


The above are both your quotes: "Where do you stand"? Are you for assembly everywhere? or just in the streets in the form of protest? Can people not "safely" do any of the above listed in the second quote?


porkchopbob - 6/5/2020 at 09:52 PM

quote:
quote:
If people want to safely protest or assemble, good for them.

quote:
The issue is places where people congregate - bars, churches, parks, stadiums, theaters, etc.

The above are both your quotes: "Where do you stand"? Are you for assembly everywhere? or just in the streets in the form of protest? Can people not "safely" do any of the above listed in the second quote?


Dude, seriously, this is not difficult, stop being so thick. Think it through. But with you it's always square peg >> round hole.

Protests and vigils have been OUTSIDE and people are now mostly used to staying apart from each other with masks on. In most areas, people have been allowed to be OUTSIDE yet far apart. Vigils are no different. Not saying absolutely no one could get sick, but people are taking precautions.

The others are places people sit RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER sharing seating and facilities. Most of those places I have not supported reopening of. None of this is perfect, but none of it is absolute - it's not one size fits all (except for you, sometimes it is when it's convenient for whatever it is you choose to be arguing at the moment).


gina - 6/5/2020 at 09:54 PM

Well now an ex-Analyst for the State and Defense Departments under the Obama administration is guaranteeing bail for her "best friend" who was charged with distributing molotov cocktails in NYC protest marches. The guarantor is now a lawyer making $255,000 year, and her education was financed through a scholarship by Paul and Daisy Soros. Paul Soros deceased now, was older brother to George Soros, who reportedly said he wants to get Trump out of office


Https://www.nypost.com/2020/06/04/ex-analyst-under-obama-guarantees-bail-fi r-alleged-bomb-throwing-lawyer

The alleged thrower, Urooj Rahman, Brooklyn lawyer.

The guarantor Salma Rivzi, NYU grad now works for Ropes, Gray in Washington, DC. She was the analyst for the State and Defense Departments.










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BIGV - 6/5/2020 at 09:57 PM

quote:
quote:
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If people want to safely protest or assemble, good for them.

quote:
The issue is places where people congregate - bars, churches, parks, stadiums, theaters, etc.

The above are both your quotes: "Where do you stand"? Are you for assembly everywhere? or just in the streets in the form of protest? Can people not "safely" do any of the above listed in the second quote?


Dude, seriously, this is not difficult, stop being so thick. Think it through. But with you it's always square peg >> round hole.

Protests and vigils have been OUTSIDE and people are now mostly used to staying apart from each other with masks on. In most areas, people have been allowed to be OUTSIDE yet far apart. Vigils are no different. Not saying absolutely no one could get sick, but people are taking precautions.

The others are places people sit RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER sharing seating and facilities. Most of those places I have not supported reopening of. None of this is perfect, but none of it is absolute - it's not one size fits all (except for you, sometimes it is when it's convenient for whatever it is you choose to be arguing at the moment).


Yet you keep defending your position. In these protests people are marching and standing RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER and you defend this which makes you a hypocrite.

Talk about thick


gina - 6/5/2020 at 10:10 PM

There are at least one million people heading to Washington, DC tomorrow for the renaming of a street there that the Mayor has authorized be renamed Black Lives Matter Blvd.

With regard to what is going on with these protests.

1. BLM wants change.

2 Soros wants Trump out of office. A covert coup is going on.
The rogue part of the CIA is helping the Soros agenda. They do what they usually do. Help one group defeat another, then they decimate the group they helped [which in reality means used to do their dirty work]. Example Al Qaeda 1980's and then, well you know what happened at Tora Bora, the US bombed 2 caves out of 17. One belonged to Osama, he wasn't in there, he was with the women who couldn't take the aerial bombardments. They escaped into Pakistan and 2011 was another turning point.

There is a coup going on. That is why rioters get dropped off in luxury cars with rocks and bricks provided to them. They bust windows, get picked up and dropped off at the next point.

COUP.

Https://www.twitter.com/gideonoliver

NYPD Intelligence Analysts and FBI questioning people who are arrested.

Yup. The Swamp creatures out there .





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gina - 6/5/2020 at 10:25 PM

I want to clarify something regarding carnage in Buffalo.

Https://www.nypost.com/2020/06/05/buffalo-emergency-response-team-quits-in- solidarity-of-cops

Martin Gugino a 75 year old peace activist was was pushed to the ground his skull was fractured, and the cops that pushed him left him there to die. He is in the hospital.

Some reports say the entire 57 members of the Buffalo Emergency Response Team quit. Well fine but the only quit THAT unit. They are still cops on the force including the two who pushed Mr. Gugino down. They were suspended but that's all.


porkchopbob - 6/5/2020 at 11:05 PM

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In these protests people are marching and standing RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER and you defend this which makes you a hypocrite.


Not at all accurate. It's clear you are frustrated by your lack of understanding of the situation and facts, you can't even maintain a discussion without mischaracterizing what someone else writes. You're arguing in circles with yourself. I've responded to this phantom accusation about protestors. Repeatedly. It's clear you're just trolling.


BIGV - 6/5/2020 at 11:06 PM

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The death of George Floyd at the hands of Minneapolis police has resulted in 10 days and nights of protests against racial injustice in major cities from California to Washington, DC, and Robert Redfield, MD, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) told members of Congress yesterday that protesters need to get tested for COVID-19.

Redfield noted that D.C. and Minneapolis—two cities with the largest mass gatherings—still have significant community spread.

"I do think there is a potential, unfortunately, for this to be a seeding event," Redfield said, according to the Washington Post. "And the way to minimize it is to have each individual to recognize it's to the advantage of them to protect their loved ones, to [say]: 'Hey, I was out. I need to go get tested.' You know, in three, five, seven days, go get tested. Make sure you're not infected."



Fingers crossed that all of these people who felt it important enough to congregate in the streets thought about the possible repercussions of their decision and the effect it might have on others including the possible resurgence of this virus.

Right, sure they did


BIGV - 6/5/2020 at 11:07 PM

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In these protests people are marching and standing RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER and you defend this which makes you a hypocrite.


Not at all accurate. It's clear you are frustrated by your lack of understanding of the situation and facts, you can't even maintain a discussion without mischaracterizing what someone else writes. You're arguing in circles with yourself. I've responded to this phantom accusation about protestors. Repeatedly. It's clear you're just trolling.


Then stop responding Pal


BrerRabbit - 6/6/2020 at 12:00 AM

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someone will have to explain to me how firing tear gas into a peacefully demonstrating crowd conveys law and order


x2


2112 - 6/6/2020 at 02:21 AM

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Well now an ex-Analyst for the State and Defense Departments under the Obama administration is guaranteeing bail for her "best friend" who was charged with distributing molotov cocktails in NYC protest marches. The guarantor is now a lawyer making $255,000 year, and her education was financed through a scholarship by Paul and Daisy Soros. Paul Soros deceased now, was older brother to George Soros, who reportedly said he wants to get Trump out of office


Https://www.nypost.com/2020/06/04/ex-analyst-under-obama-guarantees-bail-fi r-alleged-bomb-throwing-lawyer

The alleged thrower, Urooj Rahman, Brooklyn lawyer.

The guarantor Salma Rivzi, NYU grad now works for Ropes, Gray in Washington, DC. She was the analyst for the State and Defense Departments.
[Edited on 6/5/2020 by gina]


I'm getting really tired of these stupid George Soros conspiracy theories. People get all upset and posting pictures of fake flyers. Just another example of trying to discredit a jew who likes to donate his money to liberal causes. So what? Same thing with all these dumb Bill Gates conspiracy theories. It's really gotten stupid of late.


nebish - 6/6/2020 at 12:46 PM

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I want to clarify something regarding carnage in Buffalo.

Https://www.nypost.com/2020/06/05/buffalo-emergency-response-team-quits-in- solidarity-of-cops

Martin Gugino a 75 year old peace activist was was pushed to the ground his skull was fractured, and the cops that pushed him left him there to die. He is in the hospital.

Some reports say the entire 57 members of the Buffalo Emergency Response Team quit. Well fine but the only quit THAT unit. They are still cops on the force including the two who pushed Mr. Gugino down. They were suspended but that's all.




I don't like seeing the man get hurt, but what was he doing approaching...with police advancing the wrong thing to do is to advance towards them. Police were doing their job.


nebish - 6/6/2020 at 12:55 PM

quote:
With regard to what is going on with these protests.

1. BLM wants change.


Like Defund Police.

No Minneapolis police department. Wonder how that would work out? Yup, I'm done wondering, it would be disaster. But hey, let them try it and see how they like it. How many people would move out and how many businesses would close?

quote:
Council member Jeremiah Ellison, son of Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison — who is leading the case against the officers involved in Floyd’s death — took a more radical approach.

“We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department. And when we’re done, we’re not simply gonna glue it back together. We are going to dramatically rethink how we approach public safety and emergency response. It’s really past due,” Ellison wrote on Twitter Thursday.


quote:
Council President Lisa Bender joined Ellison’s call to dismantle the department.

“We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department and replace it with a transformative new model of public safety,” Bender wrote on Twitter Thursday.
https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/501321-members-of-min neapolis-city-council-vow-to-dismantle-police


gina - 6/6/2020 at 02:42 PM

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I want to clarify something regarding carnage in Buffalo.

Https://www.nypost.com/2020/06/05/buffalo-emergency-response-team-quits-in- solidarity-of-cops

Martin Gugino a 75 year old peace activist was was pushed to the ground his skull was fractured, and the cops that pushed him left him there to die. He is in the hospital.

Some reports say the entire 57 members of the Buffalo Emergency Response Team quit. Well fine but the only quit THAT unit. They are still cops on the force including the two who pushed Mr. Gugino down. They were suspended but that's all.




I don't like seeing the man get hurt, but what was he doing approaching...with police advancing the wrong thing to do is to advance towards them. Police were doing their job.


He had a card or piece of paper in his hand. Either showing them something or wanting to give them something. They cannot push, shove or throw people to the ground and I have seen such horror in live coverage all over. They just regard people as dirtbags.

They also saw he was bleeding and one cop said he is bleeding from his ear and others saw blood under his head and they just walk away. Where is the Justice For Martin Gugino?


gina - 6/6/2020 at 02:50 PM

George Floyd Memorial Service North Carolina today. Public viewing allowed 11 am to 1 pm.

Cape Fear Conference B Headquarters
1025 Fayetteville Road
Raeford, NC

Private service 3 pm.

Use side entrances to come in. Leave thru main door. They will let in small groups at a time.

Https://www.fayobserver.com/news/20200606/latest-george-floyd-viewing-in-ra eford-under-way

Reporters:
Twitter feeds

Michael Futch @FO_Futch
Https://www.twitter.com/FO_Futch

Kara Evendon @Karaevenson
Https://www.twitter.com/Karaevensin

Rachael Riley @RachaelRiley85
Https://www.twitter.com/rachaelriley85





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gina - 6/6/2020 at 03:00 PM

Meanwhile in DC, Mayor Bowser officially renamed the portion of 16th Street NW Black Lives Matter Plaza NW. It runs in front of the White House.

Https://www.yahoo.con/entertainment/washington-d-c-mayor-muriel-191300046.h tml

Https://twitter.com/MayorBowser

Dedication today, as protests continue in the Capitol for justice in the death of George Floyd.



[Edited on 6/10/2020 by gina]


gina - 6/6/2020 at 03:06 PM

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quote:
With regard to what is going on with these protests.

1. BLM wants change.


Like Defund Police.

No Minneapolis police department. Wonder how that would work out? Yup, I'm done wondering, it would be disaster. But hey, let them try it and see how they like it. How many people would move out and how many businesses would close?

quote:
Council member Jeremiah Ellison, son of Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison — who is leading the case against the officers involved in Floyd’s death — took a more radical approach.

“We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department. And when we’re done, we’re not simply gonna glue it back together. We are going to dramatically rethink how we approach public safety and emergency response. It’s really past due,” Ellison wrote on Twitter Thursday.


quote:
Council President Lisa Bender joined Ellison’s call to dismantle the department.

“We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department and replace it with a transformative new model of public safety,” Bender wrote on Twitter Thursday.
https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/501321-members-of-min neapolis-city-council-vow-to-dismantle-police




From what I read they would have small security forces for different things in the city. Some departments like the schools have cancelled their contracts with the police department, also parks and recreation etc. They have these old 1950's like black and white cars and apparently people really hate them. I watched demonstrations yesterday they just don't look like other forces I have seen.

Check out the Australian NineNews coverage of the protests. Unreal.


nebish - 6/6/2020 at 03:22 PM

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I want to clarify something regarding carnage in Buffalo.

Https://www.nypost.com/2020/06/05/buffalo-emergency-response-team-quits-in- solidarity-of-cops

Martin Gugino a 75 year old peace activist was was pushed to the ground his skull was fractured, and the cops that pushed him left him there to die. He is in the hospital.

Some reports say the entire 57 members of the Buffalo Emergency Response Team quit. Well fine but the only quit THAT unit. They are still cops on the force including the two who pushed Mr. Gugino down. They were suspended but that's all.




I don't like seeing the man get hurt, but what was he doing approaching...with police advancing the wrong thing to do is to advance towards them. Police were doing their job.


He had a card or piece of paper in his hand. Either showing them something or wanting to give them something. They cannot push, shove or throw people to the ground and I have seen such horror in live coverage all over. They just regard people as dirtbags.

They also saw he was bleeding and one cop said he is bleeding from his ear and others saw blood under his head and they just walk away. Where is the Justice For Martin Gugino?




If the police are moving forward trying to secure an area and somebody approaches them what are the police supposed to do? Walk past him, that defeats the purpose of making a perimeter or expanding it if you let people behind it. He should've been told to move, he didn't move...guess they should've just arrested him in hindsight. You can see the body language and look of the guy who pushed him down, that is not what he wanted to happen. It is an unfortunate result of the man encroaching on police movement.

National Guardsman knelt down to his side and another officer, appeared to be a superior, radioed for medical.


BrerRabbit - 6/6/2020 at 03:49 PM

Guess they are just going to have to come up with a more flexible approach.


nebish - 6/6/2020 at 04:53 PM

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Guess they are just going to have to come up with a more flexible approach.


True. That is what it will come to. They charged the officers with assault, so my defense of them is legally wrong.

With the other officers quitting the emergency response tram in protest, I think what if the police just went on strike? Like May Day, one day police officers all stayed home. Think people would miss them much?


Bhawk - 6/6/2020 at 04:56 PM

Large protest and march in KC last night.

No police around...at all...recipe for disaster?
Well...
No rioting
No property damage
No arrests
Lots of signs and chants
Everyone went home around 11

Hmmmmm.


Bhawk - 6/6/2020 at 05:03 PM

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quote:
quote:
quote:
I want to clarify something regarding carnage in Buffalo.

Https://www.nypost.com/2020/06/05/buffalo-emergency-response-team-quits-in- solidarity-of-cops

Martin Gugino a 75 year old peace activist was was pushed to the ground his skull was fractured, and the cops that pushed him left him there to die. He is in the hospital.

Some reports say the entire 57 members of the Buffalo Emergency Response Team quit. Well fine but the only quit THAT unit. They are still cops on the force including the two who pushed Mr. Gugino down. They were suspended but that's all.




I don't like seeing the man get hurt, but what was he doing approaching...with police advancing the wrong thing to do is to advance towards them. Police were doing their job.


He had a card or piece of paper in his hand. Either showing them something or wanting to give them something. They cannot push, shove or throw people to the ground and I have seen such horror in live coverage all over. They just regard people as dirtbags.

They also saw he was bleeding and one cop said he is bleeding from his ear and others saw blood under his head and they just walk away. Where is the Justice For Martin Gugino?




If the police are moving forward trying to secure an area and somebody approaches them what are the police supposed to do? Walk past him, that defeats the purpose of making a perimeter or expanding it if you let people behind it. He should've been told to move, he didn't move...guess they should've just arrested him in hindsight. You can see the body language and look of the guy who pushed him down, that is not what he wanted to happen. It is an unfortunate result of the man encroaching on police movement.

National Guardsman knelt down to his side and another officer, appeared to be a superior, radioed for medical.


Totally. Screw that old man. Deserved it.


Bhawk - 6/6/2020 at 05:18 PM

City of Tucson, AZ just made it a crime to take a video of police.

That’s good. Now all those dangerous protesters chanting and holding cardboard signs can get the s—t knocked out of them without anyone knowing, like it should be.


BrerRabbit - 6/6/2020 at 05:26 PM

^ Bad. That is some deep clampdown.


nebish - 6/7/2020 at 02:34 AM

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City of Tucson, AZ just made it a crime to take a video of police.

That’s good. Now all those dangerous protesters chanting and holding cardboard signs can get the s—t knocked out of them without anyone knowing, like it should be.


I do not think this is true.

Are you talking about the law they passed in April of this year that requires "first amendment auditors" and the like to stay outside of crime scene boundaries while they video?

I can't find where it is a crime to take video of police.

It is now a crime to enter a crime scene boundary that is marked by tape, physical barriers or expressly communicated that the area has restricted access.


BIGV - 6/7/2020 at 03:01 AM

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If the police are moving forward trying to secure an area and somebody approaches them what are the police supposed to do?


Well, I'll tell what you should not do, under no circumstances do you push a senior citizen to the ground and walk away while blood comes out of his ear and spills on the ground.


BrerRabbit - 6/8/2020 at 04:24 PM

^ Muleman.


piacere - 6/8/2020 at 11:28 PM

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Well, I'll tell what you should not do, under no circumstances do you push a senior citizen to the ground and walk away while blood comes out of his ear and spills on the ground.


The man was ignoring police orders, and advancing on his own free will TOWARDS the police in riot gear. He then proceeded to extend out his arm towad the officer. The contact was gentle. He fell because he's old, and ignored orders. The officers around him knew there were paramedics on site. This is the exact type of liberal mentality that puts our officers in harms way. #bluelivesmatter


There are paramedics on site, let's bust some senior skull. Got it.


2112 - 6/9/2020 at 12:28 AM

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If the police are moving forward trying to secure an area and somebody approaches them what are the police supposed to do?


Well, I'll tell what you should not do, under no circumstances do you push a senior citizen to the ground and walk away while blood comes out of his ear and spills on the ground.


Hey, we agree 100% on something.


2112 - 6/9/2020 at 12:39 AM

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Well, I'll tell what you should not do, under no circumstances do you push a senior citizen to the ground and walk away while blood comes out of his ear and spills on the ground.


The man was ignoring police orders, and advancing on his own free will TOWARDS the police in riot gear. He then proceeded to extend out his arm towad the officer. The contact was gentle. He fell because he's old, and ignored orders. The officers around him knew there were paramedics on site. This is the exact type of liberal mentality that puts our officers in harms way. #bluelivesmatter


No, your excuse is the type of mentality that causes people to riot, which puts other police officers at risk having to deal with the aftermath. There are a lot of ways they could have handled it in an acceptable manner, but instead they chose one of the worst possible ways they could have dealt with it. Hey, I have a lot of respect for police and the difficult and dangerous work police do everyday, but using excessive force is only going to make their job more difficult in the long term.


BIGV - 6/9/2020 at 02:15 AM

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There are at least one million people heading to Washington, DC tomorrow for the renaming of a street there that the Mayor has authorized be renamed Black Lives Matter Blvd.

With regard to what is going on with these protests.

1. BLM wants change.


From the Chicago Sun-Times 6/8/2020

"Five people were killed and 30 others were wounded in shootings across Chicago over the weekend."

How many of these people were shot by the Police?

You want change?...Start in your neighborhood.


Sang - 6/9/2020 at 02:42 AM

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quote:
There are at least one million people heading to Washington, DC tomorrow for the renaming of a street there that the Mayor has authorized be renamed Black Lives Matter Blvd.

With regard to what is going on with these protests.

1. BLM wants change.


From the Chicago Sun-Times 6/8/2020

"Five people were killed and 30 others were wounded in shootings across Chicago over the weekend."

How many of these people were shot by the Police?

You want change?...Start in your neighborhood.





Yes, as always let's compare poverty and gangs to police violence....

Completely different problem...... but let's just bring up "Chicago" again and again..


piacere - 6/9/2020 at 10:31 AM

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let's bust some senior skull. Got it.


I never said such a thing. If you are saying the officer intentionally tried to push him over, I’d have to disagree.


You said the "contact was gentle". Intentional or not, the guy's in the hospital.

They pushed the wrong guy.


stormyrider - 6/9/2020 at 11:03 AM

Then they stepped over him while he was bleeding as if he was roadkill


porkchopbob - 6/9/2020 at 01:50 PM

quote:
Well, I'll tell what you should not do, under no circumstances do you push a senior citizen to the ground and walk away while blood comes out of his ear and spills on the ground.

Not according to your President who managed to twist this into victim-blaming, even though the two officers have been charged with second-degree assault.
quote:
The president tweeted on Tuesday about the video footage from protests last week in Buffalo, New York: “Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment.”

He then tagged the conservative news outlet, One America News, and added: “I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-buffalo -antifa-police-protest-black-lives-matter-martin-gugino-twitter-a9556566.ht ml


nebish - 6/9/2020 at 11:10 PM

I know this makes me look bad with people that I like here, I don't like that, but I have to be honest, I continue to believe that the two Buffalo officers were not wrong to push that man. They are charged, I respect the charges and the legal process, the officers will have the opportunity to defend themselves and we'll see what comes of it. I am on their side, I don't know what the courts will decide, we'll have to live with whatever the results are.

They used force. What constitutes excessive force? If the man had not fallen down, would that be force or excessive force? Since he unfortunately fell and was badly injured that means the force was excessive? So the result of the force, not the intent of the force is determining factor? I'm asking, I really don't know. If they pushed him with the same force and he just stumbles and stays on his feet would we be having this conversation?

Whatever Trump said about the man, I'm not going there. I don't care what Trump said or not. It doesn't make a difference to me who he is. His age, race, sex, political affiliation matters not. I do not think the actions of the police was excessive. Here is a clip from CNN, from the Buffalo Mayor as to why the front line officers did not administer aid:

quote:
Mayor Byron Brown told CNN's Chris Cuomo on Friday night that he was told that emergency response team officers are trained to keep moving forward.

"Embedded with them are medics, officers with first-aid training," he said. "The medics were just behind the first line unit that continued to move forward, and within seconds, the medics rendered first-aid assistance."


gina - 6/10/2020 at 12:02 AM

NEW

I read an article today, try to provide link tomorrow. George Floyd was said to become resistant after initially being handcuffed while he in handcuffs and in the police car. They pulled him out. "He had foam at the sides of his mouth" and fell down at the squad car. He was probably having an epileptic seizure which results in jerking movements. They said his "body stiffened up" when he was standing. This was before he was walked across the street and put on the ground with the knee to his neck.

I looked at one of the pictures of him on the ground with the knee on his neck, you can see white stuff in the corner of his mouth.

I think he was not resisting arrest at all, at any time. He had a seizure, made jerky movements including falling down which P.O Chauvin mistook as resistance. The officer had no reason to take him out of the car after P.O. Lane had handcuffed him and out him in the car.

Epileptics can pass out while seizing. Putting a knee on the neck of someone who just had a seizure is deadly.

Https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-cop-derek-chauvin-appears-182845312.html
"Ex cop Derek Chauvin appears in court, gets 1.25 Milion Bail in George Floyd Murder Case".


NY Times video also shows they made an EMS call he was bleeding from the mouth. They called in a "320" to EMS. Before putting him on the ground. They never got off his neck even then after they knew he had been bleeding from the mouth and had foam at the corners of his mouth.

Https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000007159353/george-floyd-arrest-death- video.html

Https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-police-bodycam-video-released-fall ing-death-george-floyd-n121666
The park policeman is talking to the two people who were in the car with Floyd after Floyd was taken across the street. He says a "320" was called in. That's for EMS help. This was before Floyd was put on the ground and knee'd to death.

Https://www.fox9.com/video/688157
Three officers try to get Floyd out of the car before he was handcuffed. He was not able to stand on his own.

Https://www.minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/05/26/george-floyd-man-dies-after-b eing-arrested-by-minneapolis-police-fbi-called-to-investigate
People on the scene even told at least Officer Thou what they were observing which was Floyd bleeding from his nose. Was he having a stroke?

FBI were called [to scrub the evidence?].









[Edited on 6/10/2020 by gina]

[Edited on 6/10/2020 by gina]


PhotoRon286 - 6/10/2020 at 12:04 AM

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If the police are moving forward trying to secure an area and somebody approaches them what are the police supposed to do?


Well, I'll tell what you should not do, under no circumstances do you push a senior citizen to the ground and walk away while blood comes out of his ear and spills on the ground.


Hey, we agree 100% on something.


And I agree with him as well.

muleturd continues to embarrass himself with every moronic post.

[Edited on 6/10/2020 by PhotoRon286]


BrerRabbit - 6/10/2020 at 01:36 AM

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muleturd continues to embarrass himself with every moronic post.


Hilarious new schtick tho - he used to act all John Wayne with the "son" and "junior" macho redneck swagger - now his posts are like when the gentleman pulls up next to you in a Rolls and says, "Grey Poupon?"

Won't last long, he is a seether.

His name is Legion.


Rusty - 6/10/2020 at 12:57 PM

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quote:
but I have to be honest, I continue to believe that the two Buffalo officers were not wrong to push that man.


Agreed. I wouldn’t even call it a push, but people on the left have determined that he “pushed a senior citizen to the ground and walked away while blood comes out of his ear and spills on the ground.” Please.




Maybe because ... that's EXACTLY what happened!
How can you not be outraged that police officers pushed (and HELL YES, it was a push!) a 70+ year-old man to the ground and just stepped over him after noticing blood coming from his head? You're really alright with this?


BrerRabbit - 6/10/2020 at 02:22 PM

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quote:
but I have to be honest, I continue to believe that the two Buffalo officers were not wrong to push that man.


Agreed. I wouldn’t even call it a push, but people on the left have determined that he “pushed a senior citizen to the ground and walked away while blood comes out of his ear and spills on the ground.” Please.




And the flush down the fascist toilet continues.


gina - 6/10/2020 at 08:10 PM

Protesters in Franklinville. BLM had a protest March in Franklinville New Jersey. Notably there were what is being called "counter protesters". This was not an isolated event. The things that the counter protesters were saying are the same as was said in a protest on Long Island on Sunday, yet no organized group is claiming affiliation or having sent them to the two protests. The protests were peaceful but one has to wonder who are these counter protesters with.

Https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/09/nyregion/george-floyd-protest-franklinvi lle-nj.html

Https://www.news.yahoo.com/protesters-smithtown-met-large-group-211451733.h tml

There is a war coming, but will seem like a race war but it is really a war about poverty. It can lead to civil war which would then bring down the government and usher in the new-world-order where everyone loses their autonomy, freedoms. First socialism will be implemented to quell the public's crisis but the happy hopey-changey-state doesn't last long it will go downhill fast.

Do not be deceived. Yes George Floyd was killed because he was black. That is wrong. There must be changes in the police departments so that the techniques and tactics being used do not continue. Can there be Civilian Review Boards to act as watchdogs over Internal Affairs investigations and decisions? Right now it is all kept quiet without access to the evidence to the Proceedings. Sometimes they are getting away with murder. It is not just Minneapolis, that Buffalo police dept. Is disgraceful. But Martin Gugino and the atrocities of Buffalo's p.d. needs it's own thread. [It is not just Martin Gugino].





[Edited on 6/10/2020 by gina]

[Edited on 6/10/2020 by gina]


gina - 6/10/2020 at 08:27 PM

There was an article today that sought to do a more in depth look at George Floyd's life.

"For George Floyd a complicated life and a notorious death"

Https://www.charlotteobserver.com/entertainment/music-news-reviews/article2 43420406.html

[If article is not found use the title to search for it some agency is taking down the articles from the newspapers like state, the star, yahoo, etc. You know who the usual suspects are].

He had five children with different women. He tried to have stability and a better standard of living than he had growing up in a housing project in Houston. He was not perfect, made mistakes but always tried to do better. He said he wanted to do something great. God said okay, you will cause changes in the nation and world that others have not achieved. He was martyred. It touches people because God wants it to. God's been outraged since the days of Cain and Abel. He does accept murder. He didn't then and he doesn't now.

I saw a 4×4 and on the back window it said "when the power of love is greater than the love of power then there will be peace".

When will there be peace? That's when.













[Edited on 6/11/2020 by gina]


gina - 6/11/2020 at 12:16 AM

BLM does have a list of what reforms they want:

Https://www.instagram.com/hawk.newsome
The purple pages are the reforms.

If the link doesn't work go Hawk Newsome's twitter page. It's a little ways down.

Https://www.twitter.com/IAMHAWKNEWSOME

He's the head if the Greater New York branch of BLM.



[Edited on 6/11/2020 by gina]


BrerRabbit - 6/11/2020 at 12:32 AM

quote:
when the power of love is greater than the love of power then there will be peace


great quote from Jimi Hendrix


gina - 6/11/2020 at 12:46 AM

The power mongering murders have to stop. This one from New Mexico the officer told the unfortunate man "I'm going to effin' choke you out bro" and proceeded to do just that and kill a Latino he wanted from a traffic stop. The suspect ran because he had a parole violation.

Https://www.yahoo.com/news/officer-video-saying-hell-choke-010834242.html

P.O. Christopher Smelser charged with involuntary manslaughter Feb. 29th in the death of Antonio Valenzuela.

Happened due to a traffic stop.

Video

Https://www.kob.com/new-mexico-news/las-cruces-officer-heard-saying-im-goin g-to-choke-you-out-before-suspect-dies/5754196/?cat=500


How many people are being murdered in traffic stops?



[Edited on 6/11/2020 by gina]


Stephen - 6/12/2020 at 02:00 AM

Amazing this NM death didn’t get more attention
A top official in the Tulsa OK PD was quoted earlier today that blacks “probably aren’t shot as often as they should be, based on crimes being committed”
How reassuring for black brothers & sisters to hear
This too may not garner much attention
Who knows what news is anymore - merely a top cop all but clearing the way for & condoning another George Floyd situation


tcatanesi - 6/12/2020 at 04:47 PM

"Trump's campaign announced Wednesday that he will soon retake the stage in a crowded venue. Not only will the rally take place on June 19 -- a date known as Juneteenth, which marks the end of slavery in the United States -- it will be held in Tulsa, Oklahoma, the site of a race massacre 99 years ago that remains one of the worst acts of racial violence in US history. In 1921, hundreds of African Americans were killed when white mobs looted and burned what had been a thriving neighborhood known as "Black Wall Street." That is the city where Trump fans will gather this year on the day honoring the abolition of slavery.
Coincidence? We know better."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/11/opinions/trump-rally-tulsa-juneteenth-ghitis /index.html

Once again, you can't make this $h!t up.


BrerRabbit - 6/12/2020 at 05:32 PM

^ Wow - no you cannot make it up - it all fell neatly into place when I read MartinD28's post mentioning "CSA President 2". Still can't believe I did not make the connection long ago. It explains a lot.


MartinD28 - 6/12/2020 at 10:02 PM

quote:
"Trump's campaign announced Wednesday that he will soon retake the stage in a crowded venue. Not only will the rally take place on June 19 -- a date known as Juneteenth, which marks the end of slavery in the United States -- it will be held in Tulsa, Oklahoma, the site of a race massacre 99 years ago that remains one of the worst acts of racial violence in US history. In 1921, hundreds of African Americans were killed when white mobs looted and burned what had been a thriving neighborhood known as "Black Wall Street." That is the city where Trump fans will gather this year on the day honoring the abolition of slavery.
Coincidence? We know better."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/11/opinions/trump-rally-tulsa-juneteenth-ghitis /index.html

Once again, you can't make this $h!t up.


It gets better. CSA Prez #2 is afraid that attendees might catch Covid so he wants to protect himself from liability.

Trump rally attendees must sign waiver, can’t sue if they get coronavirus

https://www.syracuse.com/politics/2020/06/trump-rally-attendees-must-sign-w aiver-cant-sue-if-they-get-coronavirus.html


tcatanesi - 6/12/2020 at 10:25 PM

Once again, Drumpf proves he only cares about Drumpf and winning 2020.

Why else would he ask thousands of Americans to expose themselves to possible infection, crammed into an arena to watch him sweat and his orange makeup start to run under the hot lights?

Why would they BE STUPID ENOUGH to sign a waiver to give him a "pass" on being held accountable?

Lemmings, all of them...


nebish - 6/12/2020 at 10:36 PM

quote:
Once again, Drumpf proves he only cares about Drumpf and winning 2020.

Why else would he ask thousands of Americans to expose themselves to possible infection, crammed into an arena to watch him sweat and his orange makeup start to run under the hot lights?

Why would they BE STUPID ENOUGH to sign a waiver to give him a "pass" on being held accountable?

Lemmings, all of them...


These people who go here are doing so willingly? Do they want to go, or he is he really asking them?

I’d sign any waiver for wherever I go. Grocery store, hardware store, amusement park, airplane (I will be on one in less than a week)... nobody should sue anyone if they get sick. I would not sue if I willingly chose to do something knowing I may or may not get sick. No business, organization, entity or individual should be liable if somebody catches a virus.

Would people have signed a waiver to go see ABB at MSG? Would people protesting insert any issue, sign a waiver?


BrerRabbit - 6/12/2020 at 10:43 PM

quote:
Why would they BE STUPID ENOUGH to sign a waiver to give him a "pass" on being held accountable?


Believe me, you do not want to know the terrible answer to this. Although I suspect you do. It is an abyss of ignorance that brings vertigo to any who look into it. To stave off abject despair we must forge ahead on the possibly vain premise that the majority of Americans are not completely dumbed down brainwiped Redhat morons.


gina - 6/13/2020 at 12:53 AM

No one can prove where they contracted Covid-19 if they get it. If you want to be safe you have to be in a remote place.

Lockdown with the Dalai Lama.

Https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-53028343

If you want peace you must be in control of your emotions. Your beliefs cause your thoughts. Your thoughts cause your emotions, your emotions cause your actions. Peace begins in and with you. Mankind cannot solve his problems because he is part of his problems.

Muslim asceticism is a path to peace.


tcatanesi - 6/13/2020 at 01:12 AM

Say what?


gina - 6/13/2020 at 04:39 AM

With lynching legislation being held up in Congress due to Rand Paul wanting the language amended to specifically include a serious bodily injury standard which ensures these crimes resulting in substantial risk of death and extreme physical pain be prosecuted as a lynching where the penalty is ten years in prison now this.

Https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-man-found-hanging-tree-003448503.html

Palmdale, California Los Angeles

Robert Fuller, a 24 year old black man found hanging from a tree shortly after marching in a BLM protest. A friend named Abby called a radio station to say he was not depressed and would not have killed himself others also say this.





[Edited on 6/13/2020 by gina]


Rusty - 6/13/2020 at 10:27 AM

quote:
quote:
Why would they BE STUPID ENOUGH to sign a waiver to give him a "pass" on being held accountable?

Lemmings, all of them...


I plan on going, as I bet some other Allman Brothers fans are going. Are you calling us stupid lemmings?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFG5qIYmQi0


Stephen - 6/13/2020 at 01:23 PM

It’s disgusting - at every possible level this country has gone Down-The-SShitter
They’re calling the Palmdale Calif thing suicide
Sure
Then you see the headline “Lindsey Graham: Joe Biden is as good a man as God ever created”
I ask politely, what is this **** ?

In the meantime top cops in Tulsa & probably elsewhere are on record saying blacks need to be shot more often - leading to calls for the entire defunding/dismantling of police

There Is Sh!t In The American Toilet - Howabout We FLUSH & Start Over

His political enemies will probly take the angle that “like George Floyd, Trump created & fostered the national climate of hate that resulted in this lynching” - similar to his causing the advent/spread of CVirus, also the BS impeachment process that did no one any good xcept embarrass his political enemies & the country

Unfair as it often is, the manager gets fired if the team is struggling
If Biden is that great (I disagree), if having a lady VP strikes a chord w/voters & helps to settle things down....
am just saying change is needed -
It falls on the president to do that - but hard for this president to do b/c of the constant badgering & bad information/undermining & other outside distractions

In the same fashion that Vietnam beat down LBJ b4 he got a chance to implement his vision of America via his Great Society program
Good wknd to you nice people



[Edited on 6/13/2020 by Stephen]


Stephen - 6/14/2020 at 08:50 AM

Riots in Atlanta after cops murdered an unarmed black man at a Wendy’s restaurant
Unrest in Calif after a lynching in Palmdale
I don’t know what You see when you open Your eyes to the video of that racist bastard vandalizing her neighbor’s car with a hammer
Or what you see when that SShitheel spews racist bile at an Asian man, with his 11 year old son right there
Look up Texas A&M - what is your reaction to that? Or to the criminal bully in the please don’t get this angry thread?

These are all recent
So is the clip of a black man carrying a white counter protester to safety after the latter was injured at a BLM rally in London
Racial violence against people of color is worse than its ever been, especially in Tulsa OK
That’s why the country is going down the SShitter

I admire & respect my black brothers & sisters for taking the high road in the face of white hate - the people whose car was vandalized did this, saying they simply ignored ongoing racial epithets from this skunk - did no good

So, your everything’s fine view, I disagree with
Peace


[Edited on 6/14/2020 by Stephen]


PhotoRon286 - 6/14/2020 at 09:37 PM

quote:
quote:
Why would they BE STUPID ENOUGH to sign a waiver to give him a "pass" on being held accountable?

Lemmings, all of them...


I plan on going, as I bet some other Allman Brothers fans are going. Are you calling us stupid lemmings?



If the shoe fits.

Please don't wear a mask.

Please get as close to the other knuckle dragging racists as you can.

Please help the sheeple around you yell at the top of their lungs to fill the air with whatever nasty germs they're carrying.

Please attend as many 'rallies" as you can.

This forum will be so much better off.


Jerry - 6/15/2020 at 09:54 PM

quote:
June 19 -- a date known as Juneteenth, which marks the end of slavery in the United States -

Once again, you can't make this $h!t up.


sorry, no, it didn't mark the end of slavery in the US.

Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, and Missouri were slave states that remained in the Union.
Slaves were not freed there until the 13th amendment ( the one where it has "except when" as a modifier) had been ratified.

Also, you need to read this:
https://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/emancipation-proclamation

The proclamation actually didn't free any slaves.

[Edited on 6/15/2020 by Jerry]


BIGV - 6/16/2020 at 07:37 PM

quote:
The real issue is systemic racism.


Just when you think and hope that P.C. is dead and gone...POOF!...here it is.

"systemic racism"...No. It goes to the individual. Hate is a choice. This Cop is the problem, he alone.


lukester420 - 6/16/2020 at 07:45 PM

quote:
quote:
The real issue is systemic racism.


Just when you think and hope that P.C. is dead and gone...POOF!...here it is.

"systemic racism"...No. It goes to the individual. Hate is a choice. This Cop is the problem, he alone.




And the hundreds of examples of it happening over and over again, Is that all on one officer?


porkchopbob - 6/16/2020 at 07:52 PM

quote:
quote:
The real issue is systemic racism.

Just when you think and hope that P.C. is dead and gone...POOF!...here it is.
"systemic racism"...No. It goes to the individual. Hate is a choice. This Cop is the problem, he alone.

The "system" is what enables it. Like in GA where Arbery's murder by a former cop and his son would have been ignored by the system (the initial investigators and prosecutor) had it not been called out and on video. Also part of the system: those who enable through ignorance by calling systematic racism "politically correct".


lukester420 - 6/16/2020 at 07:54 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
The real issue is systemic racism.

Just when you think and hope that P.C. is dead and gone...POOF!...here it is.
"systemic racism"...No. It goes to the individual. Hate is a choice. This Cop is the problem, he alone.

The "system" is what enables it. Like in GA where Arbery's murder by a former cop and his son would have been ignored by the system (the initial investigators and prosecutor) had it not been called out and on video. Also part of the system: those who enable through ignorance by calling systematic racism "politically correct".


Funny how the guy who is such a free thinker and unashamed of his views is ashamed to admit to himself that he holds racist view points


stormyrider - 6/16/2020 at 07:56 PM

We are a racist society.
That doesn't mean we are all racists
But you can't deny that it's better to be born white (and Christian) in the US than black or brown
I can go running around my town and no one will be afraid or think I'm a potential perp. No one will shoot me
If I get pulled over for speeding or a busted headlight a cop isn't going to look in my car for weapons, drugs, or stolen property
If I ask someone to put their dog on a leash that person isn't gonna call the cops say I'm threatening to rob them.
There is systemic racism, and we have been putting up with it
The cops are part of society. They aren't all racist, they are just like us.

[Edited on 6/17/2020 by stormyrider]


BrerRabbit - 6/16/2020 at 08:15 PM

quote:
But you can't deny that it's better to be born white (and Christian) in the US than black or brown


Anyone gonna challenge this PC hard line? No one?

Me neither.

And you aren't gonna touch it.

Here is what isn't being grasped by the "not racists". It isn't enough - there is no neutral position. We are being called upon to be antiracists.


stormyrider - 6/16/2020 at 09:24 PM

and the problem with being anti rascist is...????


BIGV - 6/16/2020 at 10:45 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
The real issue is systemic racism.


Just when you think and hope that P.C. is dead and gone...POOF!...here it is.

"systemic racism"...No. It goes to the individual. Hate is a choice. This Cop is the problem, he alone.




And the hundreds of examples of it happening over and over again, Is that all on one officer?


Absolutely not. The hundreds of examples are on each and every individual officer who made that choice.


BIGV - 6/16/2020 at 10:47 PM

quote:
Funny how the guy who is such a free thinker and unashamed of his views is ashamed to admit to himself that he holds racist view points


That view is yours, I do not share it.


BIGV - 6/16/2020 at 11:06 PM

quote:
The "system" is what enables it.


Typical, find a reason that places the responsibility and the blame on anyone and everything but the person who chose to commit the act in question. It must be the system, because there is NO WAY we can fault the individual for his own behavior!


lukester420 - 6/17/2020 at 01:45 AM

quote:
quote:
The "system" is what enables it.


Typical, find a reason that places the responsibility and the blame on anyone and everything but the person who chose to commit the act in question. It must be the system, because there is NO WAY we can fault the individual for his own behavior!


Try to keep up. The officer in Minneapolis had been operating this way since at least 2006 and the system he was operating within continued to cover for him. I guess you ignored the articles about Bob Kroll, the known white supremacist who allowed racist practices to flourish during his time as Chief of Police in Minneapolis, who is now the Chief of the Police Union that is still trying protect those practices. If this was not a systemic problem the individual would have been fired at least a dozen times over the past 15 years.

And oh yeah the guys that murdered a woman in bed while serving a warrant for someone who was already apprehended? They're still working on administrative reassignment 3 months after they murdered Breonna Taylor and left the incident report mostly blank. Sound like a systemic problem or just those three guys?

This isn't a matter of opinion, systemic racism in law enforcement institutions is very real.
I think you know that and support it, but for whatever reason you like to make the same tired argument over and over to keep up the facade that you aren't racist, everyone else is just too PC. Seriously you'd seem more like the renegade, Walkin Tall badass you like to try to portray if you just came out and said "Maybe I am racist so what?"


BrerRabbit - 6/17/2020 at 02:13 AM

quote:
Maybe I am racist so what?


It's a start, and hopefully get past the so what part. You gotta see the racism you have before you can figure out how to keep it from hurting people.


BIGV - 6/17/2020 at 02:23 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
The "system" is what enables it.


Typical, find a reason that places the responsibility and the blame on anyone and everything but the person who chose to commit the act in question. It must be the system, because there is NO WAY we can fault the individual for his own behavior!


Try to keep up.


Do not ever for one moment think that I will ever respond to anything you've written with a condescending opening like that.


lukester420 - 6/17/2020 at 02:32 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
The "system" is what enables it.


Typical, find a reason that places the responsibility and the blame on anyone and everything but the person who chose to commit the act in question. It must be the system, because there is NO WAY we can fault the individual for his own behavior!


Try to keep up.


Do not ever for one moment think that I will ever respond to anything you've written with a condescending opening like that.


Thats funny, you just did.

Is opening with "try to keep" anything like opening with "typical"?


PhotoRon286 - 6/17/2020 at 02:53 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
The "system" is what enables it.


Typical, find a reason that places the responsibility and the blame on anyone and everything but the person who chose to commit the act in question. It must be the system, because there is NO WAY we can fault the individual for his own behavior!


Try to keep up.


Do not ever for one moment think that I will ever respond to anything you've written with a condescending opening like that.


Thats funny, you just did.

Is opening with "try to keep" anything like opening with "typical"?


Yeah, I laughed as well.


stormyrider - 6/17/2020 at 09:24 AM

What do you call what happened in GA last week on Election Day other than systemic racism?
We say- go out and vote. Then they don’t have enough machine or polling places in Black neighborhoods.
It’s not one guy making a choice


MartinD28 - 6/17/2020 at 11:29 AM

quote:
What do you call what happened in GA last week on Election Day other than systemic racism?
We say- go out and vote. Then they don’t have enough machine or polling places in Black neighborhoods.
It’s not one guy making a choice


Perfect example.

There have been ongoing efforts over the years to reduce / restrict voting. It is targeted. Georgia may be the poster state for this. Look no further than the previous election for governor there.


porkchopbob - 6/17/2020 at 01:04 PM

quote:
quote:
The "system" is what enables it. Like in GA where Arbery's murder by a former cop and his son would have been ignored by the system (the initial investigators and prosecutor) had it not been called out and on video.

Typical, find a reason that places the responsibility and the blame on anyone and everything but the person who chose to commit the act in question. It must be the system, because there is NO WAY we can fault the individual for his own behavior!

Nope. No where did I not blame the people who shot Arbery - stick to what was written and stop with the straw man. It's a really bad habit of yours.

How do you call the investigators who allowed Arbery's murderers to go uncharged "everyone and anyone"? Damn right they are also at fault, that's the definition of a system enabling violent racists. Typical you'd ignore the point and conveniently edit it out.

Systematic racism is a documented fact.

[Edited on 6/17/2020 by porkchopbob]


adhill58 - 6/17/2020 at 01:25 PM

quote:
quote:
This Cop is the problem, he alone.


Exactly! The problem is HE alone, and the thousands of other cops over the decades, but HE alone!


If this type of killing has been perpetrated by thousands of cops over the years, would your "P. C." gripe go away if we referred to it as a "pattern" rather than a "system"? It wouldn't change anything for the dead people.

The individual cop who is supposedly the only problem, had three other cops standing around him shrugging their shoulders as he killed a person. The F.O.P. leader in Minneapolis says that those four cops did nothing wrong. I get phone calls weekly from the F.O.P. asking for money to be donated to defend cops who end up in court.

They literally have a system. They know there is a structure that will make any interaction they have with the justice system different from most other people.

Whether you believe in the idea of "The System", or not, there is undeniably a system.

In Indianapolis a few years back, there was a cop who hit two motorcyclists (killing one, permanently injuring the other) while driving drunk during the daytime ON DUTY. He was suspended with pay while he case went through court and the F.O.P. was paying for all of legal costs. This went on for over a year (paid suspension included). He was only finally dropped when he got arrested for drunk driving again, before noon on a weekday. This guy got a year paid vacation after killing someone. Their system was working for him.

So yes, the individuals are the problem. The cops who kill people are individuals. The good cops who don't out the bad cops are individuals. The police union officials and lawyers who defend bad cops are individuals. The judges who give cops leniency are individuals. The people who donate to the F.O.P. are individuals. The people who say that black people wouldn't get killed by cops if they hadn't done something wrong are individuals. However, it's a pretty weak argument that the behaviors of all of these individuals doesn't amount to a system

[Edited on 6/17/2020 by adhill58]


adhill58 - 6/17/2020 at 01:54 PM

quote:
Adhill, I agree with you 100%. I was being sarcastic. I should be more clear, and stop messing around. My bad.


I wasn't going at any specific poster or post, just grabbed one that referenced the concept.


Jerry - 6/17/2020 at 10:14 PM

Let's see the reaction of when a black Minneapolis cop killed an unarmed white female, who was the person that called the police when she thought someone was being raped.
https://theintercept.com/2019/05/02/minnesota-police-convicted-justine-damo nd/

Such a different reaction about the arrest, trial, and conviction.


adhill58 - 6/17/2020 at 11:00 PM

quote:
Let's see the reaction of when a black Minneapolis cop killed an unarmed white female, who was the person that called the police when she thought someone was being raped.
https://theintercept.com/2019/05/02/minnesota-police-convicted-justine-damo nd/

Such a different reaction about the arrest, trial, and conviction.




The difference is that when a black cop killed a white person, he was convicted and sent to prison. When white cops (or vigilantes) kill black people, they are typically free to go about their lives as if nothing happened.


Stephen - 6/17/2020 at 11:17 PM

It will be interesting indeed to see how rhe murder trials of these two policemen - the Atlanta cop & Derek Chauvin’s - unfold

Fundamental police reform is the same as gun reform - impossible to attain
Same thing every time - something bad happens, reforms strengthening background checks/increased penalties are called for/implored by people -
....to no avail/meaningful reforms
Defunding/dismantling the police is a bad idea imo
So would having a national police force (know it hasn’t been mentioned) - that’s one step short of anarchy

[Edited on 6/17/2020 by Stephen]


Jerry - 6/18/2020 at 12:00 AM

quote:
quote:
Let's see the reaction of when a black Minneapolis cop killed an unarmed white female, who was the person that called the police when she thought someone was being raped.
https://theintercept.com/2019/05/02/minnesota-police-convicted-justine-damo nd/

Such a different reaction about the arrest, trial, and conviction.




The difference is that when a black cop killed a white person, he was convicted and sent to prison. When white cops (or vigilantes) kill black people, they are typically free to go about their lives as if nothing happened.




Sorry to let your racist balloon be pierced, but you did read that there had recently been a trial of a policeman about an on duty death? that police officer wasn't black either.
Did you see what organizations protested his arrest? Would those same organizations protest the arrest of a white officer killing a black civilian?
Noor, just like Chauvin, was under IA investigation for several complaints, one was pointing a firearm at a female who he pulled over for a minor traffic violation. Several psychologists had already expressed concern about his mental state not being conducive to being a police officer.

The big thing was that there have been several deaths by police shootings in Minneapolis in the past few years.
Reforms have been implemented, police chiefs dismissed, mayors unseated, and it seems on the face of it, nothing has really changed.

One last piece of information for you.
Did you know that Floyd and Chauvin both worked as site security at a nightclub? The person reporting they had "friction" between them seems to keep changing his mind if that was true.
My question concerns the Floyd family saying that the treatment Chauvin gave Floyd was more personal than it was defensive. Is it possible Floyd had something on him and he thought this was a convenient time to take care of a 'possible problem"?


Jerry - 6/18/2020 at 12:31 AM

quote:
quote:
Noor, just like Chauvin, was under IA investigation for several complaints, one was pointing a firearm at a female who he pulled over for a minor traffic violation. Several psychologists had already expressed concern about his mental state not being conducive to being a police officer.


What are you trying to say? Who are these so-called "psychologists" that determine whether someone is fit or not fit to be a police officer?


The Board of Examiners for Minneapolis I would believe. They are the ones who determine mental standards for law enforcement officers.
I believe these are the same ones BoytonBrother used to hold up as the ones to determine who should own firearms.


adhill58 - 6/18/2020 at 01:23 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Let's see the reaction of when a black Minneapolis cop killed an unarmed white female, who was the person that called the police when she thought someone was being raped.
https://theintercept.com/2019/05/02/minnesota-police-convicted-justine-damo nd/

Such a different reaction about the arrest, trial, and conviction.




The difference is that when a black cop killed a white person, he was convicted and sent to prison. When white cops (or vigilantes) kill black people, they are typically free to go about their lives as if nothing happened.




Sorry to let your racist balloon be pierced, but you did read that there had recently been a trial of a policeman about an on duty death? that police officer wasn't black either.
Did you see what organizations protested his arrest? Would those same organizations protest the arrest of a white officer killing a black civilian?
Noor, just like Chauvin, was under IA investigation for several complaints, one was pointing a firearm at a female who he pulled over for a minor traffic violation. Several psychologists had already expressed concern about his mental state not being conducive to being a police officer.

The big thing was that there have been several deaths by police shootings in Minneapolis in the past few years.
Reforms have been implemented, police chiefs dismissed, mayors unseated, and it seems on the face of it, nothing has really changed.

One last piece of information for you.
Did you know that Floyd and Chauvin both worked as site security at a nightclub? The person reporting they had "friction" between them seems to keep changing his mind if that was true.
My question concerns the Floyd family saying that the treatment Chauvin gave Floyd was more personal than it was defensive. Is it possible Floyd had something on him and he thought this was a convenient time to take care of a 'possible problem"?


Yes I read the article Jerry. The NAACP was protesting because - as the article states - "Noor’s case marks the first conviction out of 179 police-involved deaths in Minnesota since 2000." If all of the 178 other police officers had been appropriately and fairly charged, tried, and possibly convicted, the NAACP would not have been protesting. I feel like you are suggesting that the NAACP was trying to say that black cops should be able to kill white women - which is not what they were saying.

The article goes on to further back up my point in mentioning that in NYC, one of the only police officers convicted of wrongfully killing someone was of Asian heritage, not white.

I am not really sure what you were trying to get at by posting this article, but what the article says is that white cops don't get punished when they do exactly what an African American cop and an Asain American cop get sent to prison for doing.


And yes, I am aware of the conspiracy theory that suggests, "If George Floyd and the cop who murdered him previously knew each other, this cannot be an example of systemic racism". Gina already posted that one a while ago. It's a pretty disgusting way to try discount the real experiences of victims of police violence and racism in general. Has InfoWars put one out to explain away the Ahmaud Arbery case? It's more of a comforting bedtime story for fragile white people who want to continue their denial of the history of the last 400 years in North America.


BrerRabbit - 6/18/2020 at 01:51 PM

For the sake of argument let's say ok there is no systemic racism.

The inarguable fact remains, blacks are pissed off.

Therefore you feel blacks are mad for no reason. And if people are mad for no reason they are idiots, or worse.

Is that where the "no systemic racism" point leads?


adhill58 - 6/18/2020 at 02:26 PM

quote:
For the sake of argument let's say ok there is no systemic racism.

The inarguable fact remains, blacks are pissed off.

Therefore you feel blacks are mad for no reason. And if people are mad for no reason they are idiots, or worse.

Is that where the "no systemic racism" point leads?


I think it's crazy to be arguing that 400 years of systemic racism has disappeared somehow.

Partially, the "systemic" part makes it something that touches everyone and makes the uncomfortable questions start popping up around the folks who are not skinheads, but still don't want things to change really. It's hard to admit that you have advantages that some other people may not have and that, even though you know it's unfair, you don't want to lose those advantages.

We have seen the reactions...


gina - 6/18/2020 at 11:43 PM

My old friend, an activist for many years says 'think globally, act locally'. People have to get involved and run candidates at all levels of town, county, state governments. Even Ross Perot said if you can't get a candidate on the ballot because of the local political parties you can do it by referendum. Get the public constituent signatures needed and do it that way.

I remember years ago on a Sunday night in the rain a black man was introducing himself to people at a store. He wanted to be elected for the State Assembly. He was a former, retired cop. I told him you want to deal with those muckety-mucks I'll send you to Albany you got my vote. He won the election and still serves. He's done a lot. He had new ideas and had seen what did not work. That's what you got to do.

Get new people in there. THEY can change things.

[Edited on 6/18/2020 by gina]


gina - 6/28/2020 at 12:19 AM

We all know the trials in the killing of George Floyd will be riveting and I believe country changing.

This is interesting background on one of the cops, J. Alex Keung [pronounced King]

Https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-officer-detained-george-floyd-183500869.ht ml



Stephen - 6/29/2020 at 07:45 PM

The trial of that Chicago teen will merit monitoring also
Tall for his age, was in store checkout line, young kids were behind him, asked him how tall he was, they’d like to be that tall too etc......store employee said no hostility or aggression

The group of 3 kids left store - were walking down the street when this tall 19 year old ran up behind them & pulled out a gun, murdering 2 of them on the spot - 3rd escaped

A father-son team participating in a charity bike ride in England were viciously attacked by police in a case of mistaken identity

Current ‘viral’ - I call it vile, bile - video circulating of white trash screaming racial epithets at new neighbors in Michigan

......the racial climate is so hateful & horrendous - these stories are alarmingly common


gina - 6/29/2020 at 11:08 PM

In the George Floyd death

The pre-trial hearing date is 9-11-20.

The trial date 3-8-21.

The Minnesota Attorney General. Keith Ellison's office is leading the prosecution. The Police Chief, Medaria Arredondo said George Floyd's death was murder not lack of training.

The lawyers for the cops wanted separate trials, Judge Peter A. Cahill has not granted that yet. Chauvin remains in jail with $1 million bail set, as does Officer Thao with $750,000 bail. The other two, Lane and Keung are out on bail.



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