Thread: Why do Americans think Trump will win despite being behind in the polls?

2112 - 5/15/2020 at 01:29 AM

I thought this was an interesting discussion:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/if-trump-is-down-in-the-polls-why-do-s o-many-americans-think-hell-win/


pops42 - 5/15/2020 at 01:47 AM

He will lie and cheat his way to a second term. And the same dummies will lap up his same steaming **** ipile.


nebish - 5/15/2020 at 02:03 AM

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One thing thatís stood out to me is Trumpís lost points among voters who donít like either candidate running. In 2016, Trump won these voters by a large margin, but here in 2020, theyíre breaking overwhelmingly for Biden.


That is an interesting statement.


nebish - 5/15/2020 at 02:11 AM

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Of course, one point in Trumpís favor is that thereís little evidence that Biden has made progress in winning back the white voters without a college degree who supported Obama in 2008 and Trump in 2016.


What will Bernie's supporters do.

I'm on the Bernie email lists. Subject matter often pertains to how they (the new progressives) are going to influence the party and issues. Here is one quote from a recent email:

"Recently, Our Revolution activists in Wisconsin, Nebraska, Massachusetts, and California played an important role in securing the recent deal struck with the Biden campaign that will allow more progressive influence over the Democratic Party rules and policy platform."

I kinda just wish Biden could stand on his own, but you could see him bending Bernie's way when they still had the last debate. Bernie laughs that all his opponents do that to him. Guess that is a win for Bernie's cause though.

Will Biden be a zombie President that just gets filled with and pushed and pulled where certain party interests want him as opposed to standing and pushing for his principles. His principles now might just become everyone else's principles who influence him. Suppose the left won't mind that though.


nebish - 5/15/2020 at 02:18 AM

I think he loses.


Still Friday May 1st Gallup had Trump hitting an all-time high of 49%.


And the CNN Battleground state poll:


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(CNN)Presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden's lead over President Donald Trump now stands at five points, but Trump has an edge in the critical battleground states that could decide the electoral college, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS.

In the new poll, 51% of registered voters nationwide back Biden, while 46% say they prefer Trump, while in the battlegrounds, 52% favor Trump and 45% Biden.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/13/politics/cnn-poll-2020/index.html


cyclone88 - 5/15/2020 at 02:48 AM

I think it's far too early to predict anything. Trump's opponent isn't Biden, it's COVID-19 & no one knows where that's going. The fact that it is in the WH is telling. I don't trust any further info from the WH re staffers' test results or illness - any new cases will be that the staffer was working from home whether that's true or not.

The big question for me re opening is will people actually go out? Yes, businesses will be allowed to re-open, but 1) will they? 2) will people patronize re-opened businesses or continue to stay home? 3) what happens to the curve?

And, what will be discovered about children? Previously thought to be untouched, kids are now not only getting infected but the symptoms are unusual. Kids have died. Even if local school districts re-open schools in later in the fall, are parents going to send their kids back? Are teachers going to return?

The course of COVID19 over the summer is more meaningful to me than polls.


2112 - 5/15/2020 at 03:05 AM

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I think he loses.


Still Friday May 1st Gallup had Trump hitting an all-time high of 49%.


And the CNN Battleground state poll:


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(CNN)Presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden's lead over President Donald Trump now stands at five points, but Trump has an edge in the critical battleground states that could decide the electoral college, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS.

In the new poll, 51% of registered voters nationwide back Biden, while 46% say they prefer Trump, while in the battlegrounds, 52% favor Trump and 45% Biden.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/13/politics/cnn-poll-2020/index.html




Here is a link to almost every relevant poll. Looks like Biden is winning most of the swing states to me:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/


BIGV - 5/15/2020 at 03:08 AM

The same Polls that Hillary winning in a Landslide?


2112 - 5/15/2020 at 03:17 AM

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The same Polls that Hillary winning in a Landslide?


Read the discussion on the link. The polls never said Hillary would win in a landslide. They were off in 3 key states. Nationally the polls said Hillary would win the popular vote by 2% and she did. As I have said over and over, the national polls don't mean much, and the only thing that matters is a few key swing states. But again, I suggest you read the discussion and then I would love to hear your input.


BIGV - 5/15/2020 at 03:31 AM

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As I have said over and over, the national polls don't mean much


Yet the link you posted mentions polls dozens of times


2112 - 5/15/2020 at 04:18 AM

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As I have said over and over, the national polls don't mean much


Yet the link you posted mentions polls dozens of times


Of course it does, because it is a discussion trying to make sense of the available data.


MartinD28 - 5/15/2020 at 11:35 AM

Yet another thread dragging HC in. She's history. Not the same race this time around with completely different variables.

Anybody still want believe HC will either be the nominee or VP candidate? If so, enter the Charity Challenge. For anybody who has already taken the bet, want to add more to your bet? I'll lay 2:1 odds on the any incremental bets. Think about it, if you add to your bet for every $100, and if you win, you get $200.

[Edited on 5/15/2020 by MartinD28]


cyclone88 - 5/15/2020 at 12:46 PM

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The same Polls that Hillary winning in a Landslide?

No polls from 2016 should be compared to 2020. We live in the present. Past polls have been wrong. Some have been corrected, fine-tuned, & re-examined. The accuracy of the current polls won't be known until November - in hindsight. Polls mostly tell candidates where to spend money. They're really not useful to voters.

And FFS, no one wants to hear about HRC - not those who despise her nor those who voted for her. She's a non-entity in the 2020 race.


stormyrider - 5/15/2020 at 01:31 PM

It's still early.
This time in 92 I don't think anyone thought Clinton would win. Probably same for 96, and the same for 2012 with Obama.

Trump and the GOP are going to try and continue to restrict voting and prevent turnout.

and of course Trump continues to create "facts" out of thin air, though I think the only people that believe him will vote for him no matter what


cyclone88 - 5/15/2020 at 01:39 PM

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It's still early.


Completely agree.

I don't think the course of COVID19 can be underestimated - especially if there is a resurgence in the fall & voting is not conducted by in-person ballots at monitored precincts.


MartinD28 - 5/15/2020 at 01:47 PM

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It's still early.


Completely agree.

I don't think the course of COVID19 can be underestimated - especially if there is a resurgence in the fall & voting is not conducted by in-person ballots at monitored precincts.


Correct.

Covid is more than a wild card. It can impact voter turnout or how successful or repressive vote by mail is. Also Covid will play a role in how a % of voters look at how Trump did or didn't lead or respond. Finally, the state of the pandemic, cases, deaths, and economy as we move into November will drive some voters.

Granted - many people have already made up their mind, but I suspect that Covid variables are enough to be a tilting point.


2112 - 5/15/2020 at 01:58 PM

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and of course Trump continues to create "facts" out of thin air, though I think the only people that believe him will vote for him no matter what


Yeah, over the past 3.5 years Trump's approval ratings have been remarkably steady. His fans love him no matter what he does, and they will show up and vote for him no matter what. Trump haters aren't going to vote for him no matter what, although if they stay home or vote for a 3rd party candidate it will boost Trump's chances immensely (a defacto vote for Trump).

The only wildcard is what happens in the super close swing states where a hundred votes one way or the other could change everything. Instead of spending money on TV ads, I'm surprised super rich people don't buy a second home in Florida and change residency for the election (like Trump did).


tcatanesi - 5/15/2020 at 02:34 PM

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His fans love him no matter what he does...

"Trump's business partner in Indonesia exhumed graves in West Java to build resort"

"The remains of four of his relatives - two siblings, his great-grandfather and another relative - had been pulled from the ground without his consent, he and others in the community said, along with the bodies of Iyum's two girls. They had dug up the wrong people."

"Trump's foreign partners often lacked a reliable track record of real estate success. Some have faced allegations of corruption."

NO WAY, REALLY??

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Trump-s-business-partner-in-Indonesia-e xhumed-15269874.php#photo-19412036


kevdab - 5/15/2020 at 03:11 PM

His support base will vote for him no matter what he does. Some people hate the democrats so bad it doesn't matter what he says or does. It's ad that our population is so easily conned.
Like our cry baby president, his supporters would rather be with Russia than the democrats in the USA.
The dumbing down of America,


BIGV - 5/15/2020 at 07:44 PM

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Yet another thread dragging HC in.


Too funny. Tell me how that is any different than you and your little cabal finding a way to bring your hatred for President Trump into every political thread, regardless of the thread title?


OriginalGoober - 5/15/2020 at 10:16 PM

Hillary is so more lucid than Joe. If Hillary is in the past what is Joe Biden? The ghost of liberals past?


2112 - 5/15/2020 at 10:40 PM

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Hillary is so more lucid than Joe. If Hillary is in the past what is Joe Biden? The ghost of liberals past?


What is Joe Biden? He is the Democratic nominee. Paint him however you like to try to get your boy elected. I'm sure Trump will try to project Biden as the devil, so you might as well start as well.


crazyjoe - 5/16/2020 at 02:55 PM

Well, certainly a lot of folks have bought in and completely thrown in with and completely sold their soul to The Trumpster Ideology??? Here is my personal touch for the day, being a long time Hoosier, sending some Hoosier pride......Peace

https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0P2n4ErN?s=a99&pd=05JiOiuk


BIGV - 5/16/2020 at 02:59 PM

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Well, certainly a lot of folks have bought in and completely thrown in with and completely sold their soul to The Trumpster Ideology???


How is this any different than those who've "bought in and completely thrown in with and completely 'sold their souls'" to the Liberal ideology?


stormyrider - 5/16/2020 at 04:48 PM

Maybe it's just me, but I thought America and the Constitution are about:

3 branches of government with separation of powers and checks and balances. The president is chief executive, not a monarch, and not above the law.
An independent and free press
speech cannot be suppressed by the federal government
among other things

not to mention humanity, empathy, and honesty.

I don't see any of that coming from the white house.


pops42 - 5/16/2020 at 05:34 PM

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Maybe it's just me, but I thought America and the Constitution are about:

3 branches of government with separation of powers and checks and balances. The president is chief executive, not a monarch, and not above the law.
An independent and free press
speech cannot be suppressed by the federal government
among other things

not to mention humanity, empathy, and honesty.

I don't see any of that coming from the white house.


pops42 - 5/16/2020 at 05:45 PM

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Well, certainly a lot of folks have bought in and completely thrown in with and completely sold their soul to The Trumpster Ideology???


How is this any different than those who've "bought in and completely thrown in with and completely 'sold their souls'" to the Liberal ideology?
What the **** is the "Liberal ideology"? explain that. If you support trump you support someone who lies with every word out of his mouth, is a con-man who ran a scam university, stole from his own charity, refused to pay his sub contractors after they delivered a quality job on his properties etc. and has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. this is what you respect because, he's not Hillary.


Jerry - 5/17/2020 at 12:11 AM

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Well, certainly a lot of folks have bought in and completely thrown in with and completely sold their soul to The Trumpster Ideology???


How is this any different than those who've "bought in and completely thrown in with and completely 'sold their souls'" to the Liberal ideology?
What the **** is the "Liberal ideology"? explain that. If you support trump you support someone who lies with every word out of his mouth, is a con-man who ran a scam university, stole from his own charity, refused to pay his sub contractors after they delivered a quality job on his properties etc. and has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. this is what you respect because, he's not Hillary.


Quite probably those who follow the Democratic Party with a cult like fervor, no matter how distant the planks of the party platform are to reality. Those will lie, cheat, destroy the Constitution, and deceive to achieve their goals.


Stephen - 5/17/2020 at 12:13 AM

YOW, thatís a pretty adventurous far flung Sat nite psychoanalysis Brer :mondobizarro: - he was referring to the 4-5 or so regulars here he converses with - on the other side of all things Trump -
Itís just nice having the trolls removed & thank you administrators

Who doesnít need professional help, weíre all on this CV bus thatís making bozos of us
Re thread title, polls are like opinions & vice versa - everybody has one
This election year in particular, polls mean little - people will continue to change their minds
As has been said, itís still early - status of conventions comes first

[Edited on 5/17/2020 by Stephen]


2112 - 5/17/2020 at 12:21 AM

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Well, certainly a lot of folks have bought in and completely thrown in with and completely sold their soul to The Trumpster Ideology???


How is this any different than those who've "bought in and completely thrown in with and completely 'sold their souls'" to the Liberal ideology?
What the **** is the "Liberal ideology"? explain that. If you support trump you support someone who lies with every word out of his mouth, is a con-man who ran a scam university, stole from his own charity, refused to pay his sub contractors after they delivered a quality job on his properties etc. and has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. this is what you respect because, he's not Hillary.


Quite probably those who follow the Democratic Party with a cult like fervor, no matter how distant the planks of the party platform are to reality. Those will lie, cheat, destroy the Constitution, and deceive to achieve their goals.


Strange. Your first sentence refers to the Democratic party, while your second sentence seems to describe the Republican party.


BrerRabbit - 5/17/2020 at 02:45 AM

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Who doesnít need professional help, weíre all on this CV bus thatís making bozos of us


Truth man. No point tho, all the professional help is lockdown crazy too. We are on our own. Good call, undeniable clarity, stay solid.


BIGV - 5/18/2020 at 01:52 AM


What the **** is the "Liberal ideology"? explain that.


Sounds like you do not really understand the word "Ideology"....Here is some help with that: (IDEOLOGY) "a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.

So it makes sense that almost any word or phrase that precedes this definition might be self-explanatory. If not, A Liberal "Ideology" might include but is not limited to the belief that illegal aliens should receive benefits, be able to acquire a Driver's License, but not be required to show I.D. to vote (Think about that) Believe that the Constitution is outdated. Consistently resort to the use of words like "Bigot" & "Racist" in defense of any argument they have no other rational answer for. More taxes and laws are the answer for everything. I could go on for days...

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If you support trump you support someone who lies with every word out of his mouth, is a con-man who ran a scam university, stole from his own charity, refused to pay his sub contractors after they delivered a quality job on his properties etc. and has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. this is what you respect because, he's not Hillary.


Too funny because I would bet that you would use the exact same argument in supporting Joe Biden..

"He is not Trump" Yep. Joe Biden is just and old bully who can't seem to remember where he is, what he has said, lies about his resume, is a plagiarist, has been accused numerous times of sexual assault, does not understand the physical boundaries of his constituents and more than likely will find every excuse in the book not to debate....But you respect him, because he is not Trump...

See how that works?


pops42 - 5/18/2020 at 02:28 AM

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What the **** is the "Liberal ideology"? explain that.


Sounds like you do not really understand the word "Ideology"....Here is some help with that: (IDEOLOGY) "a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.

So it makes sense that almost any word or phrase that precedes this definition might be self-explanatory. If not, A Liberal "Ideology" might include but is not limited to the belief that illegal aliens should receive benefits, be able to acquire a Driver's License, but not be required to show I.D. to vote (Think about that) Believe that the Constitution is outdated. Consistently resort to the use of words like "Bigot" & "Racist" in defense of any argument they have no other rational answer for. More taxes and laws are the answer for everything. I could go on for days...

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If you support trump you support someone who lies with every word out of his mouth, is a con-man who ran a scam university, stole from his own charity, refused to pay his sub contractors after they delivered a quality job on his properties etc. and has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. this is what you respect because, he's not Hillary.


Too funny because I would bet that you would use the exact same argument in supporting Joe Biden..

"He is not Trump" Yep. Joe Biden is just and old bully who can't seem to remember where he is, what he has said, lies about his resume, is a plagiarist, has been accused numerous times of sexual assault, does not understand the physical boundaries of his constituents and more than likely will find every excuse in the book not to debate....But you respect him, because he is not Trump...

See how that works?
Comparing Biden to trump is moronic. trump admitted and bragged about commiting sexual assault, Biden was accused of it but not tried and convicted, I hope you lose everything you have, due to your support of trump, big vee!.

[Edited on 5/18/2020 by pops42]


BIGV - 5/18/2020 at 02:53 AM

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I hope you lose everything you have


You are a class act


2112 - 5/18/2020 at 04:01 AM

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What the **** is the "Liberal ideology"? explain that.


Sounds like you do not really understand the word "Ideology"....Here is some help with that: (IDEOLOGY) "a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.

So it makes sense that almost any word or phrase that precedes this definition might be self-explanatory. If not, A Liberal "Ideology" might include but is not limited to the belief that illegal aliens should receive benefits, be able to acquire a Driver's License, but not be required to show I.D. to vote (Think about that) Believe that the Constitution is outdated. Consistently resort to the use of words like "Bigot" & "Racist" in defense of any argument they have no other rational answer for. More taxes and laws are the answer for everything. I could go on for days...

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If you support trump you support someone who lies with every word out of his mouth, is a con-man who ran a scam university, stole from his own charity, refused to pay his sub contractors after they delivered a quality job on his properties etc. and has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. this is what you respect because, he's not Hillary.


Too funny because I would bet that you would use the exact same argument in supporting Joe Biden..

"He is not Trump" Yep. Joe Biden is just and old bully who can't seem to remember where he is, what he has said, lies about his resume, is a plagiarist, has been accused numerous times of sexual assault, does not understand the physical boundaries of his constituents and more than likely will find every excuse in the book not to debate....But you respect him, because he is not Trump...

See how that works?


I'd be interested in hearing about the multiple sexual assult aligations against Biden. I only know of the one, Tera Reade, which is becoming less believable by the day.

But hey, you talk about Bidens mental capacity while Trump thinks George Washington secured the airports during the Revolutionary War, accuse Biden of sexual assult while Trump has a long list of accusers, talk about Biden plagiarizing while Trump plagiarized 20 pages of his fake university's textbook from another author, and do we really need to talk about Trump's long history of lying, bullying, and not understanding boundaries?

If you think those qualities are going to change voters minds from voting for Biden to Trump, then I think you are in for a big surprise. Whatever moral character flaws Biden might have is just a tiny spit in the ocean compared to Trump's telephone book sized list of character flaws. In fact, the best favor Trump and his supporters could do for Biden is to keep the focus on moral character for the next 6 months.


BrerRabbit - 5/18/2020 at 04:11 AM

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I could go on for days...


We know. You've been going on for years. Days would be a relief at this point.


BIGV - 5/18/2020 at 04:39 AM

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But hey, you talk about Bidens mental capacity while Trump thinks George Washington secured the airports during the Revolutionary War, accuse Biden of sexual assult while Trump has a long list of accusers, talk about Biden plagiarizing while Trump plagiarized 20 pages of his fake university's textbook from another author, and do we really need to talk about Trump's long history of lying, bullying, and not understanding boundaries?


This is the argument in a nutshell, the best guy the Dems can throw at the President is just as guilty.....

But he is not Trump!


BIGV - 5/18/2020 at 04:42 AM

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I could go on for days...


We know. You've been going on for years. Days would be a relief at this point.


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If you don't like it, JUST WALK AWAY. I know you are hurtin for some Skydog but Im not interested, pick your fights elsewhere.


2112 - 5/18/2020 at 05:01 AM

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But hey, you talk about Bidens mental capacity while Trump thinks George Washington secured the airports during the Revolutionary War, accuse Biden of sexual assult while Trump has a long list of accusers, talk about Biden plagiarizing while Trump plagiarized 20 pages of his fake university's textbook from another author, and do we really need to talk about Trump's long history of lying, bullying, and not understanding boundaries?


This is the argument in a nutshell, the best guy the Dems can throw at the President is just as guilty.....

But he is not Trump!


Not even close to being as guilty. Why better moral character and a lot smarter.


BrerRabbit - 5/18/2020 at 05:07 AM

Whatever - you gotta admit you would rather hang out with the damn yankee liberal hippies here and have fun arguing than spend five minutes in a conservative bunch and you know it! I doubt you all are cozying up with your tribe on the Charlie Daniels site or raising hell on the Nugent site. Fact is you guys can't stand conservatives. lol


BIGV - 5/18/2020 at 05:11 AM

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Whatever - you gotta admit you would rather hang out with the damn yankee liberal hippies here and have fun arguing than spend five minutes in a conservative bunch and you know it! I doubt you all are cozying up with your tribe on the Charlie Daniels site or raising hell on the Nugent site. Fact is you guys can't stand conservatives. lol


No, there is no "Whatever"...either you are a troll or you are not and evidenced by your inability to practice what you preach..(In your own words, quoted above) you are a Troll


pops42 - 5/18/2020 at 12:23 PM

Maybe you can get trump to autograph your crappy git-tar next time hes in arizona.


BrerRabbit - 5/18/2020 at 03:38 PM

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No, there is no "Whatever"...either you are a troll or you are not and evidenced by your inability to practice what you preach..(In your own words, quoted above) you are a Troll


HahaHA .WHAT T.F. EVER ! That conservative bit got you. The truth is you all can't stand each other so you take it out on liberals. You would not be caught dead in a crowd of hardcore conservatives. You woulld rather be the grumpy guy standing with arms folded at the Dead show harumphing at the stupid dancers. We can't help it if we are smarter; cooler; hipper, have better music art and literature, and actually like each other!

Whatever. You love us or you would just walk away.

[Edited on 5/18/2020 by BrerRabbit]


Stephen - 5/18/2020 at 04:09 PM

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I hope you lose everything you have

Maybe you can get Trump to autograph your crappy git-tar



Posts like these have rightfully resulted where they belong - banned

Enjoy the music stuff you post on AG, esp that Taj clip
These posts are a far cry from that, to put it mildly

[Edited on 5/18/2020 by Stephen]


Jerry - 5/19/2020 at 01:41 AM

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Well, certainly a lot of folks have bought in and completely thrown in with and completely sold their soul to The Trumpster Ideology???


How is this any different than those who've "bought in and completely thrown in with and completely 'sold their souls'" to the Liberal ideology?
What the **** is the "Liberal ideology"? explain that. If you support trump you support someone who lies with every word out of his mouth, is a con-man who ran a scam university, stole from his own charity, refused to pay his sub contractors after they delivered a quality job on his properties etc. and has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. this is what you respect because, he's not Hillary.


Quite probably those who follow the Democratic Party with a cult like fervor, no matter how distant the planks of the party platform are to reality. Those will lie, cheat, destroy the Constitution, and deceive to achieve their goals.


Strange. Your first sentence refers to the Democratic party, while your second sentence seems to describe the Republican party.


There are times it could go either way. Just that right now, my opinion is about the Dems.


tcatanesi - 5/19/2020 at 04:30 PM

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...Dead show harumphing at the stupid dancers...

Glad to provide entertainment if that is how we are perceived.

"We are all the same and we are all just a bunch of atoms." --Billy K.


BrerRabbit - 5/19/2020 at 05:15 PM

Still dancin in our hearts - they cant ever take that away


BrerRabbit - 5/19/2020 at 08:43 PM

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No, there is no "Whatever"...either you are a troll or you are not and evidenced by your inability to practice what you preach..(In your own words, quoted above) you are a Troll


Have I insulted you in some way? You seem to have taken umbrage at my remarks.


KCJimmy - 5/20/2020 at 06:16 PM

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He is not Trump" Yep. Joe Biden is just and old bully who can't seem to remember where he is, what he has said, lies about his resume, is a plagiarist, has been accused numerous times of sexual assault, does not understand the physical boundaries of his constituents and more than likely will find every excuse in the book not to debate....But you respect him, because he is not Trump...

See how that works?
Dude nailed it!

I've been reading the WP threads and all I see is hate. From my perspective you all KNOW Biden can't win this election and it seems to be making you all crazy.


BIGV - 5/20/2020 at 06:30 PM

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Past polls have been wrong.


I can't help but wonder what the right/wrong percentages are

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The accuracy of the current polls won't be known until November


Fairly obvious

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They're really not useful to voters.


Yet they are always the standard used by the Candidates when addressing the public, the media and people who look to them to re-enforce their hopes and beliefs.


BrerRabbit - 5/20/2020 at 06:35 PM

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. . .all I see is hate.


Sounds like a real bummer for you ! I've been seeing a lot of upbeat wit and lively banter, and some sarcasm and more serious sparring, but hate, none since the captain threw the trolls overboard.


KCJimmy - 5/21/2020 at 03:59 PM

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. . .all I see is hate. From my perspective you all KNOW Biden can't win this election and it seems to be making you all crazy.


Sounds like a real bummer for you ! I've been seeing a lot of upbeat wit and lively banter, and some sarcasm and more serious sparring, but hate, none since the captain threw the trolls overboard.
Not a bummer for me at all. I don't hate our President. I kind of like him. You left the most important part of my comment out though. you know, the part that bothers you. I fixed it.

[Edited on 5/21/2020 by KCJimmy]


BrerRabbit - 5/21/2020 at 04:08 PM

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. . you know, the part that bothers you


Nice try - didnt bother me at all, I think Biden is a d!ck. If all you see on this board is hate that is on you.


gina - 5/21/2020 at 08:14 PM

With the corona concerns nationwide, social distancing and the predicted second wave of it in the fall campaigning as usual with the road tours meeting constituents and their babies isn't likely. This election will be media based and you all know how the media feels about President Trump. On top of that Mike Bloomberg former NYC Mayor who Trump gave the moniker of mini Mike, donated 250 million to Biden's campaign, and recently George Soros remarked that he wanted to see Trump destroyed.

Some think you can't stop the Trump Train. Since he is already President he is emboldened more than ever to stay in office.

It will be interesting but he does have supporters. They were with him then and will be with him again. That's why I think he will win.


2112 - 5/21/2020 at 09:57 PM

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With the corona concerns nationwide, social distancing and the predicted second wave of it in the fall campaigning as usual with the road tours meeting constituents and their babies isn't likely. This election will be media based and you all know how the media feels about President Trump. On top of that Mike Bloomberg former NYC Mayor who Trump gave the moniker of mini Mike, donated 250 million to Biden's campaign, and recently George Soros remarked that he wanted to see Trump destroyed.

Some think you can't stop the Trump Train. Since he is already President he is emboldened more than ever to stay in office.

It will be interesting but he does have supporters. They were with him then and will be with him again. That's why I think he will win.




Well, Trump certainly has lots of supporters and they are as loyal to him as members of any cult are to their leader. They will show up and they will vote. On the other hand, more than half of America dislike Trump and Biden doesn't have a cult following. So, the only question is who shows up at the polls in November? We know the Republicans are doing everything possible to suppress the vote. If they are successful, than Trump wins. The more people show up in the swing states, the better for Biden. The older voters in Florida have turned to Biden over Trump. If they vote than it is over for Trump. Trump can't win without Florida...period.


nebish - 5/21/2020 at 11:52 PM

I nor,ally donít agree with absolute statements but pretty sure Trump loses Florida he is toast. He could still be toast if winning Florida. I donít like to think along those terms because I always think it is possible he loses a state like a Florida but what if he flips Virginia and a Minnesota?

Each side has their base and lock-step voters. They donít determine elections. Trump needs voters outside his base which I think will be difficult for him to attract and depend on.

I read some posts on this forum about fears in the 2004 election and transfer of power. Bush was no dictator and his supporters were not extremists - not even close yet some feared he would do whatever it took to stay in power. But this time....I think we are in for a fight no matter who wins. Can you imagine the outrage if Trump wins? People will be outright apocalyptic - I mean more than they already are. And you think the relatively small number of potential trouble makers backing Trump are going to go silently? I think both sides could riot when they lose and no matter who loses the election results will be drawn out and contested.


tcatanesi - 5/22/2020 at 12:13 AM

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...all I see is hate...

Not hate. Deep disappointment and deep embarrassment. Trump is a thug. Trump is petty.

Trump is refusing to host Obama for the traditional Presidential Portrait Unveiling at the WH. It's a tradition. Obama hosted George W. Bush in 2012; Bush hosted Bill Clinton in 2004; Clinton hosted George H.W. Bush in 1995; and the elder Bush hosted Ronald Reagan in 1989. Michelle Obama went out of her way to make it "perfect" for the Bush's, setting a long table so their extended family could join the luncheon, and having them being served by the same butlers who attended to the Bush's for years in the upstairs residence.

He $h!t$ on the Constitution and traditions daily.


MartinD28 - 5/22/2020 at 12:35 AM

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I nor,ally donít agree with absolute statements but pretty sure Trump loses Florida he is toast. He could still be toast if winning Florida. I donít like to think along those terms because I always think it is possible he loses a state like a Florida but what if he flips Virginia and a Minnesota?




So lets take a look at what has happened in Virginia in recent years. It has gone from a red to a purpleish / blue state to a blue state for all intensive purposes.

Lets look at the numbers. Both US Senators are Democrats. In the 2018 midterms the US House members flipped from GOP to Dems 7 to 4. The governor, LT gov, and AG are all Democrats. The state legislature is controlled by Dems in both houses. In addition, in the last presidential election Trump lost to the right wingers' best scapegoat, Hillary Clinton.

So I really don't know why you'd mention the possibility of Trump flipping Virginia or what your reasoning on that is. It's not happening.


nebish - 5/22/2020 at 12:53 AM

We both agree that a Trump will have an uphill challenge.

I do wonder about a Virginia. How energized might people be to push back against a controversial Governor (guns, abortion)?

Hillary did win, but I recall it being closer than expected and that was with a Virginian on the ticket.


MartinD28 - 5/22/2020 at 01:08 AM

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We both agree that a Trump will have an uphill challenge.

I do wonder about a Virginia. How energized might people be to push back against a controversial Governor (guns, abortion)?

Hillary did win, but I recall it being closer than expected and that was with a Virginian on the ticket.


I have said several times that the 2018 midterms were a referendum on Trump. He said he was on the ballot. Look at the results. 2018 portends 2020. Trump will not win Virginia and will probably have to fight harder in gimme states previously seen as red.

I'm not seeing this as a close election. The charity challenge remains open to any Trump believers. Unless he can supress votes, he will be toast.


2112 - 5/22/2020 at 01:19 AM

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We both agree that a Trump will have an uphill challenge.

I do wonder about a Virginia. How energized might people be to push back against a controversial Governor (guns, abortion)?

Hillary did win, but I recall it being closer than expected and that was with a Virginian on the ticket.


I don't see any chance of Virginia going to Trump. Virginia is turning more blue every year in the same manner that Missouri is turning more red by the year. In fact, I don't see Trump winning any states he didn't win last time, other than a longshot of winning Nevada or NH.

Of the states he won last time, Florida, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, and North Carolina are all in play, and I will be shocked if at least half of those don't flip. Biden seem like the kind of candidate that the Midwest and Florida votes could get behind. Although I would say it is not probable, it's within the realm of possibility that Ohio could flip, and an outside shot of Texas and Georgia. That's a lot of states for Trump to protect.


nebish - 5/22/2020 at 01:34 AM

Iím not predicting it, just wondering about it (VA).

I expect at least 2 out of 3 MI, PA and WI to go blue again.

What about Minnesota?

I know there have been some stories and recent trends about a Texas, but Texas isnít going blue.


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