Thread: OBAMAGATE

BrerRabbit - 5/12/2020 at 12:31 AM

Thought this deserved its own thread - spinoff from a post in the Enemy Behind Wire thread.

Of course all the mindless sheeple wont see Obamagate for the national disgrace it is. But we superior intelligent few remaining with the ability to think - WE KNOW. WE KNOW ALL ABOUT OBAMAGATE. TERRIBLE THINGS HAPPENED!!!!

From the post in other thread:

Trump Accuses Obama Of A Crime In White House Press Briefing

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/05/11/trump-accuses-obama- of-a-crime-in-white-house-press-briefing/#c1d70e663e8e

Here are 2 paragraphs of the article. Trump is the personification of leadership.

"Referring to his tweet on Sunday accusing Obama of “the biggest political crime in American history, by far,” Washington Post reporter Philip Rucker asked Trump, “What crime exactly are you accusing President Obama of committing and do you believe the Justice Department should prosecute him?”

Trump replied, “Obamagate. it’s been going on for a long time. It’s a disgrace that it happened. And if you look at what’s gone on and if you look at now all of this information that’s being released, and from what I understand that’s only the beginning, some terrible things happened.”

[Edited on 5/12/2020 by BrerRabbit]


nebish - 5/12/2020 at 01:33 AM

Not my cup of tea but some others might play.

I listened to the press conference today.

One would think that if a charge is going to be levied against a former President, that the person asserting the charge could explain maybe a little bit about what he is talking about. But not in Trump world. Trump's not good at explaining things.


BrerRabbit - 5/12/2020 at 02:07 AM

What part of "biggest crime in political history by far" requires explanation? It is a bold and valiant declaration, but of course all the mealymouth backbiting liberal wishywashers will pick it apart. Heeminy heeminy wah wah waaah whine snivel lower lip quiver.

btw I move we start capitalizing the letter 'H' in 'He' when referring to Trump.


2112 - 5/12/2020 at 04:23 AM

I'm still waiting for Trump to fulfill his campaign promise to arrest Hillary for reasons.


BrerRabbit - 5/12/2020 at 06:41 PM

Obamagate will go down in history as the biggest national disgrace this country has ever seen.


OriginalGoober - 5/12/2020 at 11:27 PM


Let your line out, little by little. Every once in a while give your wrist a little twitch. Reel up slowly, then speed up.


BrerRabbit - 5/12/2020 at 11:51 PM

Damn, Redhats just aint bitin today


stormyrider - 5/13/2020 at 01:01 AM

In 2015, Obama and Biden went to Obama's birthplace in Kenya. There, they met a member of the Deep State. They gave him Flynn's picture and said Go Get Him!

Then, they went to a local Ebola cave. The picked up a colony of bats. They took this colony to Wuhan, China. For a large sum of money, they told the Chinese to create supervirus and release it late in Trump's 1st term, just in time to derail Trumps bid for re election. They then shorted stock in clorox, lysol, toilet paper, chloroquine, remdesevir, and all of the known makers of N 95s, ventilators, and funeral homes. In this way, they would derail Trump and make billions of dollars.

Edit - please do not copy and paste this onto FB or other social media
1)I want the movie rights
2)I'm truly afraid someone will read it, believe it, and send it to Fox News. Then Sean Hannity will do an expose piece conjuring up evidence and Trump will tweet about it.



[Edited on 5/13/2020 by stormyrider]


BrerRabbit - 5/13/2020 at 01:20 AM

Holy crap man you are the new Bob Woodward! This story is a bombshell!


nebish - 5/13/2020 at 12:23 PM

OK, jeez, I'll chum the water:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/graham-calls-on-grenell-flynn-unmasking-names


2112 - 5/13/2020 at 02:11 PM

quote:
OK, jeez, I'll chum the water:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/graham-calls-on-grenell-flynn-unmasking-names


That's it? No wonder Trump couldn't list any crime Obama was involved in. That's some weak sauce there.


BrerRabbit - 5/13/2020 at 02:31 PM

^ "biggest crime in political history by far" is NOT weak sauce. Scoff now, just you wait til this thing blows wide open, Redhats a-gonna be line-dancin on liberal graves to the tune of Cat Scratch Fever!


tcatanesi - 5/13/2020 at 09:02 PM

My hatred for the stubby-fingered, draft-dodging, orange-tub-of-lard is reaching unhealthy levels.


PhotoRon286 - 5/14/2020 at 12:52 AM

quote:
My hatred for the stubby-fingered, draft-dodging, orange-tub-of-lard is reaching unhealthy levels.


You aren't alone.


nebish - 5/14/2020 at 02:17 AM

The right is very fired up about this today.

Can anyone tell me, I'm feeling a little tired tonight, have the transcripts of these Flynn conversations in which he was unmasked ever been released?

That is my immediate inquiry...were these conversations so alarming that a number of people felt it necessary to learn who the American on the other end was.

The fact he was unmasked and by who the right thinks is all political enemy motivated. But I'd rather first know, what exactly were the conversations, or is that still classified?

The leaking of Flynn's name is serious, but we still don't (and probably never will) know who leaked it to the press.


stormyrider - 5/14/2020 at 04:18 PM

I don't know all the answers (or any)
Here is what I know

requests for unmasking are common. There have been progressively more requests made by the Trump admin, more than the Obama admin

quote:
That is my immediate inquiry...were these conversations so alarming that a number of people felt it necessary to learn who the American on the other end was.


requests for unmasking are prompted when someone has contact with a foreigner who is under suspicion, and the reader of the report thinks it's important to know who that person is. As Cheney said - if you aren't calling any terrorists we won't be checking your phone records

requests for unmasking are made by saying "who is person 1?" They couldn't have known it was Flynn or anyone associated with Trump when they asked. If they did know that, they wouldn't have to ask. It couldn't have been politically motivated because they didn't know who it was

There is a procedure for these requests which were supposedly followed.

[Edited on 5/14/2020 by stormyrider]


cyclone88 - 5/14/2020 at 06:25 PM

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They then shorted stock in clorox, lysol, toilet paper, chloroquine, remdesevir, and all of the known makers of N 95s, ventilators, and funeral homes. In this way, they would derail Trump and make billions of dollars.


And yet this portion of your screenplay seems to be true in that Richard Burr has stepped down as Chair, Senate Intelligence Committee pending the DOJ/SEC investigation for insider trading - selling stocks based on nonpublic knowledge re COVID-19 while Trump was still saying it was nothing & before the market tanked.

I suppose this begs the question - aside from is anyone in this administration NOT crooked - is whether Trump will have Barr intervene in this investigation or whether he made an after-the-fact intervention for Flynn.


MartinD28 - 5/14/2020 at 09:54 PM

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They then shorted stock in clorox, lysol, toilet paper, chloroquine, remdesevir, and all of the known makers of N 95s, ventilators, and funeral homes. In this way, they would derail Trump and make billions of dollars.


And yet this portion of your screenplay seems to be true in that Richard Burr has stepped down as Chair, Senate Intelligence Committee pending the DOJ/SEC investigation for insider trading - selling stocks based on nonpublic knowledge re COVID-19 while Trump was still saying it was nothing & before the market tanked.

I suppose this begs the question - aside from is anyone in this administration NOT crooked - is whether Trump will have Barr intervene in this investigation or whether he made an after-the-fact intervention for Flynn.


Is it not apparent how crooked and desparate Trump is? We can't say that he has become desparate because the signs of this have been since day 1, but he's finally met his match in a pandemic that is defeating him in spite of his blaming evertone and everthing & taking zero responsibility. His criticism of Dr. Faucii who holds more than 30 pct approval rating over Trump, political actions and statements in the last several months and especially the last few weeks and days (such as Flynn, unmasking and wanting the GOP Senate to have Obama testify on Russia probe & surveillance). Trump is so desparate to change the narrative from his failures on pandemic response, and the closer he gets to election worrying that he may lose that who knows what he will do tomorrow. Does anyone honestly think he projects a steady hand and the leadership that is needed at times like this? He is a dangerous man corrupting the government and running away from pandemic and massive deaths.


cyclone88 - 5/14/2020 at 11:53 PM

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Does anyone honestly think he projects a steady hand and the leadership that is needed at times like this? He is a dangerous man corrupting the government and running away from pandemic and massive deaths.

You're right. He's desperate to change a narrative that simply can't be changed. He's coming up w/increasingly bizarre accusations & deflections yet COVID-19 isn't beaten. In fact, it's expanding to children - previously thought to be an untouched group. His head may explode if public schools aren't open for classes in the fall.

The one thing he underestimates is the will of people. He can declare a win, but he can't force anyone to return to business as usual. Not surprisingly, the three largest private office space users in Manhattan have evaluated the situation & decided having employees at home works fine for them. They're prepared to reduce their footprint by massive square footage even if they incur penalties for breaking a lease. This is great for the efficiency of the organization & its shareholders - not so great for real estate owners, mortgage holders, & municipal tax revenue. No doubt employers throughout the country will come to the same conclusion.

Small business owners, too, may decide that operating at 10-50% capacity for an undetermined time (until there's a vaccine? contact tracing? what?) isn't going to keep them in the black & close. It's one thing to allow opening; it's another for it to happen. He's banking on if we re-open it, they will come. I'm not so sure.


stormyrider - 5/15/2020 at 01:06 AM

I agree with you
And yet
A large proportion of republicans think he is doing a good
job. Fox is helping to brainwash people

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he gets soundly beaten in the popular but wins the electoral


nebish - 5/15/2020 at 01:24 AM

I looked it up today. The transcripts between Flynn and Kisylak have never been released. Grassley and Feinstein co-signed a letter requesting the transcripts Feb 2017. To this day they do not have them.

I think that would fill in a huge blank. I'm not ready to say that any unmasking was evidence of wrong-doing...even though several of the people who asked for the unmasking couldn't remember doing so when they testified before Congress (Clapper did remember unmasking 'somebody', but said he couldn't discuss).

Flynn may've been set-up in entrapment without any evidence against him. Barr says what he lied about wasn't material to any charges. What did he lie about "did you order pizza last night"? If Barr and Grenell are releasing things, they should release the transcripts to tell the whole story.

One thing is for sure, with coronavirus around us, Flynn once again should be masked.


2112 - 5/15/2020 at 01:25 AM

quote:
I agree with you
And yet
A large proportion of republicans think he is doing a good
job. Fox is helping to brainwash people

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he gets soundly beaten in the popular but wins the electoral


It's still a long way until election time, and a lot can happen, but if the election happened today I think he loses, and loses big. The only swing states that are looking decent for him are Wisconsin and Ohio. If you believe the polls, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona, North Carolina all look like losers for Trump. Florida isn't looking good for Trump either (I imagine talks of cuts of social security and Medicare aren't sitting well with the retirees down there). Even Texas looks competitive. Yeah, I know, here comes the talk of polls not being accurate in 2016, but the National polls showed Clinton up by 2 points, and she won the national vote by that margin. National polls show Biden up by 6 at the moment.

By the way, there is an interesting discussion on fivethirtyeight.com on why so many people think Trump is going to win despite being behind in the polls. It's an interesting read.

[Edited on 5/15/2020 by 2112]


BrerRabbit - 5/17/2020 at 04:45 PM


nebish - 5/20/2020 at 05:35 PM

The right thinks they have their new smoking gun, a fully declassified Susan Rice email to herself documenting a conversation between President Obama and James Comey regarding Michael Flynn.



I really do not see the big deal here either.

Off the bat it might seem odd that Susan Rice would email herself...almost as if she is trying to document something in a scripted way so if it is later discovered it can be pointed to as all being "by the book". I'll agree that might be suspicious, although I sometimes email myself on things I want to remember.

This new declassification doesn't in any way further the President's or the right's gotta on Obamagate. If so how?

We need the actual transcripts released between Kislyak and Flynn. The fact we are getting all this other stuff declassified and not that is rather telling. Probably because their conversations were of things that raised concerns in the intelligence community and administration. If that is truly the case Trump would never green light that to be declassified because it would provide justification for the unmaksing and the suspicion of Flynn's intent and actions.

What am I missing here? Where are our right-wing friends when we need to to expose everything?


2112 - 5/20/2020 at 05:59 PM

How come I have a feeling Trump is going to end up giving Flynn the Presidential Medal of Freedom and Putin is going to give him Russia's equivalent?


crazyjoe - 5/21/2020 at 12:09 PM

YOMAMAGATE? Another real bad joke, seems like to me......joe


nebish - 5/21/2020 at 12:23 PM

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How come I have a feeling Trump is going to end up giving Flynn the Presidential Medal of Freedom and Putin is going to give him Russia's equivalent?


Haha, well, maybe the first part.


nebish - 5/21/2020 at 12:32 PM

Flynn's defense attorney, Sidney Powell, says the Washington Post has the transcripts (leaked) and since they haven't released them that says there is nothing incriminating on them [because the WaPost would only release them if it helped the argument/case/imaging against Flynn, right].

Of course she would say something like that. I'm not so sure.

Until we know those this whole Obamagate thing is nothing.

Did the FBI set up Flynn? Maybe. Is that the first time it has ever happened, is this the first time a defendant was pressured to plead guilty to something? Not saying it is right, just saying it happens.

The only crime, is the person that leaked Flynn's name to the press. That person when found should be prosecuted.

If we get the transcripts and Flynn wasn't talking about anything nefarious with Kislyak then there is some explaining to do why he was unmasked.

My assumption is there was good reason to find out who was having the kind of conversations Flynn was having with Kislyak, assuming he was having suspect and questionable conversations. And if that is true I would want the FBI and intelligence officials to act just like they did. If the conversations were typical of what an incoming intelligence chief might talk about with a foreign ambassador, then the this thing has legs.


MartinD28 - 5/21/2020 at 12:48 PM

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Until we know those this whole Obamagate thing is nothing.




Definition of Obamagate = another Trump distraction, change the conversation from Trump calamities & failures, tie down the Trump voting base, Trump envy and jealousy of a more popular & 2 time president and a statesman.


nebish - 5/21/2020 at 01:18 PM

The thing about the distraction argument relies upon the presumption that Trump thinks he needs to distract from the horrible job he is doing with all the failures and calamities. Do you really think Trump believes he is causing calamity and failure? Not asking you or anyone else what you think, or I think, but what Trump thinks.

I can't imagine Trump actually believing he is doing a horrible job so then the need to distract in the eyes of us isn't necessary. At least that is how I look at it. I'm pretty confident that Trump thinks he is the best President ever and doing the best job ever. I'm not saying those things are true, but I'm pretty sure Trump thinks they are true.

The whole Russia Hoax has been central to Trump for years now. So the fact it comes up in force again now isn't any kind of surprise...I tend to think if the coronavirus never existed we would still be getting these declassification and pushback from the WH.


MartinD28 - 5/21/2020 at 02:16 PM

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The thing about the distraction argument relies upon the presumption that Trump thinks he needs to distract from the horrible job he is doing with all the failures and calamities. Do you really think Trump believes he is causing calamity and failure? Not asking you or anyone else what you think, or I think, but what Trump thinks.

I can't imagine Trump actually believing he is doing a horrible job so then the need to distract in the eyes of us isn't necessary. At least that is how I look at it. I'm pretty confident that Trump thinks he is the best President ever and doing the best job ever. I'm not saying those things are true, but I'm pretty sure Trump thinks they are true.

The whole Russia Hoax has been central to Trump for years now. So the fact it comes up in force again now isn't any kind of surprise...I tend to think if the coronavirus never existed we would still be getting these declassification and pushback from the WH.


No doubt Trump thinks he's doing a great job. His TV & Twitter ego barely fits in a room. This is his outward persona. He reminds me of a "strong" cartoon character.

Interesting question is when he's alone. You wonder what he really thinks to himself and about himself.


cyclone88 - 5/21/2020 at 02:36 PM

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The thing about the distraction argument relies upon the presumption that Trump thinks he needs to distract from the horrible job he is doing with all the failures and calamities. Do you really think Trump believes he is causing calamity and failure? Not asking you or anyone else what you think, or I think, but what Trump thinks.

I can't imagine Trump actually believing he is doing a horrible job so then the need to distract in the eyes of us isn't necessary. At least that is how I look at it. I'm pretty confident that Trump thinks he is the best President ever and doing the best job ever. I'm not saying those things are true, but I'm pretty sure Trump thinks they are true.

Trump is never wrong. He's been convinced by election advisers that those daily press briefings where Fauci outshone him was a bad idea so he stopped. He definitely thinks he's the best president ever - didn't he compare himself to Lincoln recently? He was spooked when his valet tested positive & doesn't like that someone let the virus loose in the WH, but it certainly wasn't his fault.

Support for distraction is his paranoia about the media. He's now called Fox fake news & Jared was considering purchasing a stake in the new OAN network in late April as an alternative. The stable genius believes the media is persecuting him so he feeds them plenty. He hates Obama so why not trash him? and not allow him to have the traditional portrait unveiling in the WH? Let the media toss that around for a cycle or two.


cyclone88 - 5/21/2020 at 02:53 PM

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Interesting question is when he's alone. You wonder what he really thinks to himself and about himself.



He's not that deep. He thinks about who's out to get him because he's so great if he thinks at all. He also wonders why he can't have all the power that his idols Putin, Xi, & Un have & why no one told him about those pesky other 2 branches of government. He's actually a reactor - he watches TV & responds. Self-examination is not something he's heard of.


MartinD28 - 5/21/2020 at 03:11 PM

quote:
quote:
The thing about the distraction argument relies upon the presumption that Trump thinks he needs to distract from the horrible job he is doing with all the failures and calamities. Do you really think Trump believes he is causing calamity and failure? Not asking you or anyone else what you think, or I think, but what Trump thinks.

I can't imagine Trump actually believing he is doing a horrible job so then the need to distract in the eyes of us isn't necessary. At least that is how I look at it. I'm pretty confident that Trump thinks he is the best President ever and doing the best job ever. I'm not saying those things are true, but I'm pretty sure Trump thinks they are true.

Trump is never wrong. He's been convinced by election advisers that those daily press briefings where Fauci outshone him was a bad idea so he stopped. He definitely thinks he's the best president ever - didn't he compare himself to Lincoln recently? He was spooked when his valet tested positive & doesn't like that someone let the virus loose in the WH, but it certainly wasn't his fault.

Support for distraction is his paranoia about the media. He's now called Fox fake news & Jared was considering purchasing a stake in the new OAN network in late April as an alternative. The stable genius believes the media is persecuting him so he feeds them plenty. He hates Obama so why not trash him? and not allow him to have the traditional portrait unveiling in the WH? Let the media toss that around for a cycle or two.




Yes - recently he's gone after FOX. Think about that, folks. But he still has & always will have Laura I & Sean H as his "cabinet advisors".

When I saw the other day that he would deny the portrait unveiling of Obama, I thought how f'ing petty. He hates and is so jealous of Obama that he resorts to middle school antics. Not a problem - Trump will be gone in November, and Biden can be there to assist in the unveiling.

Another point - All the living presidents seem to get along. They have worked together in the past on initiatives. One can only imagine after Trump loses in November, he''ll want nothing to do with any of his predecessors, as he's gone after all of them- Dems & Repubs. I doubt any of them can stand him either. Good riddance.


cyclone88 - 5/21/2020 at 03:24 PM

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When I saw the other day that he would deny the portrait unveiling of Obama, I thought how f'ing petty. He hates and is so jealous of Obama that he resorts to middle school antics. Not a problem - Trump will be gone in November, and Biden can be there to assist in the unveiling.

Another point - All the living presidents seem to get along. They have worked together in the past on initiatives. One can only imagine after Trump loses in November, he''ll want nothing to do with any of his predecessors, as he's gone after all of them- Dems & Repubs. I doubt any of them can stand him either. Good riddance.


I don't share your certainty that he'll lose - part because November seems a very long time away.

You make a good point about past presidents. He said when asked about consulting others he wouldn't bother; he wouldn't learn anything. OK. He's a stable genius & they're mere mortals. What was worse was his behavior at GHWBush's funeral. He was at W's father's funeral & acted reluctant to shake his hand. He sat there looking bored & impatient & bolted the second he could. I think Melania must have had some sort of grip on him to keep him seated as long as she did.


BrerRabbit - 5/21/2020 at 03:27 PM

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. . .the presumption that Trump thinks . . .


A dubious presumption.


MartinD28 - 5/21/2020 at 03:44 PM

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I don't share your certainty that he'll lose - part because November seems a very long time away.




1) I do believe Trump will lose. Thought he'd lose since the 2018 midterms. So much has happened since then, and I think there is enough disgust in him to mobilize voters to offset cult votes and 2) I believe there is something in karma for who he is or isn't as a humanitarian that this country won't be let down AGAIN.


BrerRabbit - 5/21/2020 at 03:53 PM

Don't underestimate the blunt force of White Spite.


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