Thread: South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem has it right

BIGV - 4/7/2020 at 12:16 AM

https://youtu.be/zVWgXJDBH6Y

"The role of Government in a crisis situation"

Boom!


crazyjoe - 4/7/2020 at 12:56 AM

Blah, blah, blah.....she's wrong, more to governing than collecting taxes and dodging tuff issues? At least she is super hot huh BIGV? Seems I remember You mentioning in a recent thread how important it was to You that the Republican Representative had a much hotter wife than the Democratic Representative??? Now explain this to me, is she one of the Corona models Trumpty spoke of???.............Peace.......joe


BIGV - 4/7/2020 at 01:04 AM

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Blah, blah, blah.....she's wrong, more to governing than collecting taxes and dodging tuff issues? At least she is super hot huh BIGV? Seems I remember You mentioning in a recent thread how important it was to You that the Republican Representative had a much hotter wife than the Democratic Representative??? Now explain this to me, is she one of the Corona models Trumpty spoke of???.............Peace.......joe


Nonsensical noise aside, she is speaking directly to the role of government, what it should do and what it should not. I agree with her. If you do not, I will sleep just fine.

Not too much to say if does not involve your opinion on the President heh?


crazyjoe - 4/7/2020 at 02:34 AM

I Just think there are good deal of things that could be and should be done, I will listen again as it did move fast, but I am firm in my belief that the the Federal and some State Governments are doing a criminally negligent job with the virus this far, in a situation in which is once in a lifetime and they really could have shined, the lack of testing is a major concern!! I am also firm in my belief what a wimpy little orange dick head our boy is!!! His Corona virus press was a real freakin sh!t show, 99% of what gurgled from his ignorant punkin face was misinformation and down right lies, he does work super hard in a couple areas and I can really appreciate that, he excels and puts a lot of effort in dodging an any responsibility and he has masterfully hoodwinked a large % of folks that he is some kind of legitimate leader, bad joke.........Peace..



Joe


BIGV - 4/7/2020 at 03:04 AM

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I Just think there are good deal of things that could be and should be done, I will listen again as it did move fast, but I am firm in my belief that the the Federal and some State Governments are doing a criminally negligent job with the virus this far, in a situation in which is once in a lifetime and they really could have shined, the lack of testing is a major concern!! I am also firm in my belief what a wimpy little orange dick head our boy is!!! His Corona virus press was a real freakin sh!t show, 99% of what gurgled from his ignorant punkin face was misinformation and down right lies, he does work super hard in a couple areas and I can really appreciate that, he excels and puts a lot of effort in dodging an any responsibility and he has masterfully hoodwinked a large % of folks that he is some kind of legitimate leader, bad joke.........Peace..Joe



This thread was directed at what I thought was real leadership in a time where people are bowing at the Holy alter of the media and panicking because of the fear that is being spread.....

"Peace"....please


nebish - 4/7/2020 at 03:21 AM

Does anyone else get distracted by the sign language aides in these things? I have a hard time not watching at them like the entire time.


2112 - 4/7/2020 at 03:37 AM

Well, I agree with her that such drastic measures may not be needed in rural states, but I disagree with her on what the roll of government is in a crisis situation. You might want to pull out your copy of the constitution and read the very first sentence, and pay attention to this part "insure domestic tranquility, provide for a common defense, promote the general welfare" as being the reasons we have a constitution at all. Common defense...promote the general welfare - isn't that what is needed in a crisis situation? We all need to help each other out here, and the only way to promote the general welfare is by providing a common defense. That isn't going to happen without the government helping out, and frankly that is what the government is for.


BIGV - 4/7/2020 at 03:48 AM

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You might want to pull out your copy of the constitution and read the very first sentence


"We the People"


crazyjoe - 4/7/2020 at 04:07 AM

Listened again and I will take half a step back and apologize and let this lady make the necessary decisions for her state. I live in Indiana and I pretty much like what Holcomb has been saying, I couldn't even say for sure what party he is, I am not really that political, I do vote, bad with names, I assume hes Republican and I do realize our larger cities do have serious problems with virus containment, treatment etc, hopefully plays out best possible everywhere......I been throwing a little xtra crap myself the last 2 weeks, a few reasons, most of us are at least partly cooped up, even for this place it has been a little flat, so like everyone I fling some **** and a good amount of it is legitimate and sticks!!! I truly do care about people, like I said, my best buddy has picked me up for work for 25 yrs, he is a psychopathically right wing dude, mean and pretty ruff to be around for alot of folks, he is a Vietnam Vet and refuses to retire, I mean this is hard factory work!! We dont dare discuss politics, we just subconsciously know it would be bad for both of us???......Bottom Line.....like it or not, to some degree, we IS all tied together.....So Peace Indeed.....shute I am severely asthmatic, worst I've ever seen, my youngest boy also, he 20yrs.........still laughing and lovin even though any time this **** could grab my ass......I am well aware that there is an invisible demon on the loose, trying to act accordingly!!!


nebish - 4/7/2020 at 04:09 AM

I get both sides. These states with different approaches with less dense populations and how it went will been seen in the final analysis. Or they could error on the side of caution even if it isnít fully necessary. Which would be right?

Dr Fauci said today in talking to some of these hold out governors that they in effect are promoting the premise of a stay home directive without calling it that.

In Ohio we have a stay home order, except for the literal countless local and regional businesses that are still open in some capacity. Some are borderline if they fit the essential definition but itís up to interpretation... like stay at home, except for you, for you and you and you, etc who work here and her or there and there, etc. And stay at home except if you want take out food, or if you want to exercise in the park or if you have to go to the store or buy some parts for your lawn mower. How many millions under stay at home orders are going out to work still everyday?

It doesnít matter what itís called, how are people conducting themselves?

If Governors see their constituents not adhering to the distancing and protective guidelines then they can impress upon them the importance with government mandate. Less densely populated states can have different approach. Metro areas and heavily populated suburban areas needed to act more swiftly due to the proximity of their populations. This is local governments knowing what works for their regions.

The point is, as long as people in the community take it upon themselves to be responsible and respectful of others listening to the guidelines, some states donít have to all do the same thing. And when needed or necessary, governors should take actions they deem appropriate.

In Ohio, Things have got ramped up over time, with more restrictions eased in. The media just wants so bad to shame these states and for the President to tell them what to do. That is what they do, they fixate and just hammer and hammer and hammer away trying to force action in the way they think must be right for everyone.

I think the way it has worked so far has been mostly ok. The spring break vacationers bothered me, but you have all those people there, you canít just flip a switch and say everyone go home at once. It has to be managed. A national stay at home order could create a backlash or even panic and local governors would lose control and credibility to manage their states. Whoís in charge? Your state knows best and is in charge. Do we actually want more people looking at a Trump for guidance instead of governors? Instead states have been able to slowly turn up their initiatives as they deem necessary. Like Fauci said, it doesnít have to be called stay at home if the stop the spread guidelines are followed.


crazyjoe - 4/7/2020 at 04:23 AM

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You might want to pull out your copy of the constitution and read the very first sentence


"We the People"


Way off on the thinking, "We the people", elect what we hope is an honest, fair, efficient intelligent leadership to guide and spend tax money and lead the resources we have, police, fire, military, health and safety resources, to the best use. There are some situations "We the people" are not capable of dealing with.
For what it means, my Granfather was born in Italy in 1904, passed in 1990, saw alot, came to the U.S. in 1918 and years later became a citizen, anyway, in 1915 a massive quake here near his town, 30,000 people died, he told me it would have been double, they all would have died if the American Red Cross wouldn't had arrived within days!!!!..........I do mean Peace Ya'll........ .we gonna get through this crap!


2112 - 4/7/2020 at 04:30 AM

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You might want to pull out your copy of the constitution and read the very first sentence


"We the People"


Those are the first 3 word of a very long sentence that explains the purpose of the government and why we have the constitution. There are 6 purposes for the constitution (and therefore our government) outlined in that sentence. Three of them apply in relation to the pandemic as far as I interpret them - (1) insure domestic tranquility, (2) provide for a common defense, (3) promote the general welfare. Our founders thought half of the purposes of our government apply here. If were are all sick, then "We the people" doesn't mean very much.


BIGV - 4/7/2020 at 04:39 AM

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You might want to pull out your copy of the constitution and read the very first sentence


"We the People"


Those are the first 3 word of a very long sentence that explains the purpose of the government and why we have the constitution. There are 6 purposes for the constitution (and therefore our government) outlined in that sentence. Three of them apply in relation to the pandemic as far as I interpret them - (1) insure domestic tranquility, (2) provide for a common defense, (3) promote the general welfare. Our founders thought half of the purposes of our government apply here. If were are all sick, then "We the people" doesn't mean very much.


On the contrary, it means everything. The Constitution was written as a safeguard for the people and is our means of keeping the Government in check. It is not a document that is anyway meant to be translated as the Government having ultimate power.

"We the people" are the government. We, not them.


2112 - 4/7/2020 at 05:10 AM

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You might want to pull out your copy of the constitution and read the very first sentence


"We the People"


Those are the first 3 word of a very long sentence that explains the purpose of the government and why we have the constitution. There are 6 purposes for the constitution (and therefore our government) outlined in that sentence. Three of them apply in relation to the pandemic as far as I interpret them - (1) insure domestic tranquility, (2) provide for a common defense, (3) promote the general welfare. Our founders thought half of the purposes of our government apply here. If were are all sick, then "We the people" doesn't mean very much.


On the contrary, it means everything. The Constitution was written as a safeguard for the people and is our means of keeping the Government in check. It is not a document that is anyway meant to be translated as the Government having ultimate power.

"We the people" are the government. We, not them.


You are right, "We the people" are the government, who as set forth in the constitution elect representatives to make decisions on your behalf. It is your government, and "the people" can elect a different representative to act on your behalf if you don't like the way you are being represented, either on a local or national level. Feel free to tell me exactly which lines of the constitution are being violated right now. I have a copy of the constitution right here, so it would be fun to have that discussion.


BIGV - 4/7/2020 at 08:42 AM

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You might want to pull out your copy of the constitution and read the very first sentence


"We the People"


Those are the first 3 word of a very long sentence that explains the purpose of the government and why we have the constitution. There are 6 purposes for the constitution (and therefore our government) outlined in that sentence. Three of them apply in relation to the pandemic as far as I interpret them - (1) insure domestic tranquility, (2) provide for a common defense, (3) promote the general welfare. Our founders thought half of the purposes of our government apply here. If were are all sick, then "We the people" doesn't mean very much.


On the contrary, it means everything. The Constitution was written as a safeguard for the people and is our means of keeping the Government in check. It is not a document that is anyway meant to be translated as the Government having ultimate power.

"We the people" are the government. We, not them.


You are right, "We the people" are the government, who as set forth in the constitution elect representatives to make decisions on your behalf. It is your government, and "the people" can elect a different representative to act on your behalf if you don't like the way you are being represented, either on a local or national level. Feel free to tell me exactly which lines of the constitution are being violated right now. I have a copy of the constitution right here, so it would be fun to have that discussion.


" It is your government, and "the people" can elect a different representative to act on your behalf if you don't like the way you are being represented, either on a local or national level. "

I don't feel our elected officials are acting on our behalf and have not for decades. Government is top heavy and will only continue down this path...75% of our populace can't even tell you who their Congressman is much less what he does. Imagine how that model looks when you include, Judges, Senators, Assemblymen, State Senators, Mayors, City Councilman and so on, some of whom have been in office for decades.

"Three of them apply in relation to the pandemic as far as I interpret them - (1) insure domestic tranquility, (2) provide for a common defense, (3) promote the general welfare. "

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As I interpret them


"Domestic tranquility" provides for an assumed agreement between the states to provide calm, which is exactly what South Dakota is doing in claiming that they are not New York. New York is choosing option A and S.D. is not. The Constitution provides for this which is commonly specified as "States Rights".

"Providing for a common defense" is a direct allusion to readiness for War, meaning that Nevada will devote all of its resources in the defense of Oklahoma and Massachusetts for Oregon should we be attacked by a foreign power.

"Promote the general welfare" To defend one State as equally as the others. "Defend" vs. "Provide"...This is a key provision, the Government is under no Constitutional obligation to "provide" anything but freedom and limits to the Government's power. It is our right to decide for ourselves how best to determine what is safe in a time of personal crisis.

I do not wish for my Government to have, exercise or dictate control on how I choose to exercise my rights. Suggest all you want, but do not dare "order" us to do anything under the threat of arrest or citation under any guise.

Don't feel as though your Constitutional rights are being violated?....Just wait, our silence and eagerness to be afraid, while looking to the Government to "Do something" mean only one thing. More control is right around the corner.

I've a question for you 2112. "How long can we the people expect the Economy of this Republic to last in this current state"?

I admire The Governor of South Dakota for standing up for her constituents in saying "We will not willingly sink"

Bravo!


porkchopbob - 4/7/2020 at 01:16 PM

She even admits that there is no "one size fits all". She has the benefit of governing South Dakota, a state that has fewer cases because it is less populated and less densely populated, and has far less travel in and out than major transportation hubs. She even admits it is not New York - were she there or California, areas where people are more densely packed, she maybe have a different approach.

California has flattened the curve a bit with their more drastic measures. After holding out and leaving it up to "the people", FL Governor DeSantis came to the conclusion that he needed more drastic measures because he left it up to the people and local municipalities which didn't work.

Her approach works for South Dakota, I'm not sure why she is framing it in "common sense conservative values". She comes off as naive and a bit ignorant of what is happening in other areas. What California is doing isn't the same as China - her comment regarding China is a total straw man. Government is still responsible for public health and safety, because government is the people.

[Edited on 4/7/2020 by porkchopbob]


cyclone88 - 4/7/2020 at 01:35 PM

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Does anyone else get distracted by the sign language aides in these things? I have a hard time not watching at them like the entire time.


Sadly, yes. I keep thinking there's closed captioning for the TV audience, the radio audience can't see the signer, & the on-site audience is hearing reporters. It seems antiquated.


goldtop - 4/7/2020 at 03:38 PM

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You might want to pull out your copy of the constitution and read the very first sentence


"We the People"


Those are the first 3 word of a very long sentence that explains the purpose of the government and why we have the constitution. There are 6 purposes for the constitution (and therefore our government) outlined in that sentence. Three of them apply in relation to the pandemic as far as I interpret them - (1) insure domestic tranquility, (2) provide for a common defense, (3) promote the general welfare. Our founders thought half of the purposes of our government apply here. If were are all sick, then "We the people" doesn't mean very much.


On the contrary, it means everything. The Constitution was written as a safeguard for the people and is our means of keeping the Government in check. It is not a document that is anyway meant to be translated as the Government having ultimate power.

"We the people" are the government. We, not them.


Uh...we are them all one in the same. They as you put them are US citizens just like "we" are...we are them...they are elected representatives we send to make decisions about situation like this...there is no separation except in your head...ya know who's lying to you BIGV...you, you lie to yourself...how's about you take an hour and watch Andrew Cuomo's daily new brief and get educated on how bad it can get if we don't take action butI it seems if it doesn't directly effect you it's not an issue.


BIGV - 4/7/2020 at 04:21 PM

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how's about you take an hour and watch Andrew Cuomo's daily new brief and get educated


No thanks, I will freely admit that other than the fact that N.Y.C. is very densely populated and therefore subject to a higher rate of contagiousness, what the Governor has to say is just playing to the herd mentality. One size does not fit all, what NYC does for its people in no way should set a standard as to how other cities and States choose to administer to the health and well being of its constituents.

I applaud Governor Noem and will continue to do so.

I am guessing that you live in either California or N.Y.?


BrerRabbit - 4/7/2020 at 04:32 PM

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I am guessing that you live in either California or N.Y.?


You live in California and New York. Sedona would not exist without NYC or LA. Sedona is a satellite colony of the wealthiest and bluest strata of California and New York so take your phoney baloney Arizona John Wayne act and shove it. Sedona is so wonderful and cushy because it is a rich blue fantasyland.

You want to be taken seriously as an Arizona conservative move to Dewey, Winslow, or Kingman.


[Edited on 4/7/2020 by BrerRabbit]


BIGV - 4/7/2020 at 04:36 PM

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I am guessing that you live in either California or N.Y.?


Sedona would not exist without NYC or LA. Sedona is a satellite colony of the wealthiest and bluest strata of California and New York so take your phoney baloney Arizona John Wayne act and shove it. Sedona is so wonderful and cushy because it is a rich blue fantasyland.

You want to be taken seriously as an Arizona conservative move to Dewey, Winslow, or Kingman.


I was under the impression that you were through with this site?

Or were you just whining?

I do not care how you take me.


BrerRabbit - 4/7/2020 at 04:39 PM

Sorry to ruin your hopes. Been lurking, cant sit by and watch you play Red State cowboy from your lazyboy in the Blue Oasis of Arizona. Its b*llshit.

[Edited on 4/7/2020 by BrerRabbit]


BIGV - 4/7/2020 at 04:44 PM

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Sorry to ruin your hopes. Been lurking, cant sit by and watch you play Red State cowboy from your lazyboy in the Blue Oasis of Arizona. Its b*llshit.


You are certainly entitled to your opinion. And you have not ruined anything... I have always been and will continue to be highly entertained by your incessant whining and inability to digest the possibility that there are people out there with the nerve to disagree with you.


BIGV - 4/7/2020 at 04:53 PM

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I do not wish for my Government to have, exercise or dictate control on how I choose to exercise my rights. Suggest all you want, but do not dare "order" us to do anything under the threat of arrest or citation under any guise.


Bothered by laws? Sounds like a personal problem, nothing more. Kudos to each state for doing what they need to do to survive.


Let's steer this attempt at arguing for arguments sake toward your credibility, shall we?..I am still waiting on you to substantiate your assertion that I used the word "Ugly" in reference to a woman in an earlier post. And you of all people are the last person to use the words "Personal problems", LOL, you have can't even differentiate a "Personal attack" from someone expressing an opinion about a group of elected officials.


porkchopbob - 4/7/2020 at 05:04 PM

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No thanks, I will freely admit that other than the fact that N.Y.C. is very densely populated and therefore subject to a higher rate of contagiousness, what the Governor has to say is just playing to the herd mentality. One size does not fit all, what NYC does for its people in no way should set a standard as to how other cities and States choose to administer to the health and well being of its constituents.

I applaud Governor Noem and will continue to do so.

Won't your hands get sore?

She has the luxury being in an area less affected (luckily Bike Week in Sturgis isn't until August, otherwise she would likely be in singing a different tune). Why the big applause for her not really needing to do anything rather than for those Governors and Mayors who had to mobilize? Did someone state that everyone needed to respond in the same way that CA or NYC did (niether of which was the same response, by the way)? I'm just not sure what the argument is and why we should celebrate her more for having to do less (as of now).


BIGV - 4/7/2020 at 05:08 PM

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No thanks, I will freely admit that other than the fact that N.Y.C. is very densely populated and therefore subject to a higher rate of contagiousness, what the Governor has to say is just playing to the herd mentality. One size does not fit all, what NYC does for its people in no way should set a standard as to how other cities and States choose to administer to the health and well being of its constituents.

I applaud Governor Noem and will continue to do so.

Won't your hands get sore?

She has the luxury being in an area less affected (luckily Bike Week in Sturgis isn't until August, otherwise she would likely be in singing a different tune). Why the big applause for her not really needing to do anything rather than for those Governors and Mayors who had to mobilize? Did someone state that everyone needed to respond in the same way that CA or NYC did (niether of which was the same response, by the way)? I'm just not sure what the argument is and why we should celebrate her more for having to do less (as of now).


Fair enough. I am applauding her stance on the role of Government.


porkchopbob - 4/7/2020 at 05:28 PM

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No thanks, I will freely admit that other than the fact that N.Y.C. is very densely populated and therefore subject to a higher rate of contagiousness, what the Governor has to say is just playing to the herd mentality. One size does not fit all, what NYC does for its people in no way should set a standard as to how other cities and States choose to administer to the health and well being of its constituents.

I applaud Governor Noem and will continue to do so.

Won't your hands get sore?

She has the luxury being in an area less affected (luckily Bike Week in Sturgis isn't until August, otherwise she would likely be in singing a different tune). Why the big applause for her not really needing to do anything rather than for those Governors and Mayors who had to mobilize? Did someone state that everyone needed to respond in the same way that CA or NYC did (niether of which was the same response, by the way)? I'm just not sure what the argument is and why we should celebrate her more for having to do less (as of now).


Fair enough. I am applauding her stance on the role of Government.

Yeah but, is there something that another Governor is doing that you disagree with regarding her statement? No Governor I'm aware of wants to install extreme public safety measures or aid businesses or people financially. Even the South Dakota COVID response website states:

"Governor Kristi Noem announced Friday, March 20, 2020 that small businesses and non-profit organizations in South Dakota that have been negatively impacted by the global COVID-19 virus are now eligible for economic assistance from the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA)."

You started this thread applauding her response in a crisis situation, but SD is nearly last among states in the number of cases (along with its neighboring low population western states). What are we applauding her for? I just don't see an issue this addresses.

[Edited on 4/7/2020 by porkchopbob]


BrerRabbit - 4/7/2020 at 05:28 PM

You know why there is nobody up in Dakota? Because it is Siberia. They don't need to self quarantine. They are under lockdown much of the year anyway, scurrying from truck to store to trailer.

We might as well have the Martian Colony weighing in on the crisis.




Bhawk - 4/7/2020 at 05:59 PM

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ďGovernor Kristi Noem announced Friday, March 20, 2020 that small businesses and non-profit organizations in South Dakota that have been negatively impacted by the global COVID-19 virus are now eligible for economic assistance from the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA)."


No no, that kind of government intervention is just fine!


Bhawk - 4/7/2020 at 06:02 PM

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Sorry to ruin your hopes. Been lurking, cant sit by and watch you play Red State cowboy from your lazyboy in the Blue Oasis of Arizona. Its b*llshit.


You are certainly entitled to your opinion. And you have not ruined anything... I have always been and will continue to be highly entertained by your incessant whining and inability to digest the possibility that there are people out there with the nerve to disagree with you.


FFS, this tired ass response again?

Get some new material.


BrerRabbit - 4/7/2020 at 06:15 PM

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I was under the impression that you were through with this site?


Proverbs 26:11


porkchopbob - 4/7/2020 at 08:25 PM

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This whole thread was a veiled attempt to criticize New York City/liberals/democrats/yawn. Get over it already.

For sure, and right now South Dakota has the luxury of doing something different than NY because, well, the situation is different there. I just haven't seen anyone say South Dakota should respond the same way New York State is responding. But I'm sure COVID-19 recognizes borders.

I have read that Ammon Bundy (yeah, that guy) and others in Idaho want death AND unfettered liberty no matter what, regardless of the Republican Governor's "stay at home" order.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/07/us/coronavirus-idaho-bundy-patriot.html


BrerRabbit - 4/7/2020 at 08:47 PM

Fact is you live in South Dakota and most of Idaho you are in voluntary exile. Self-quarantine is not an issue when you are peeing icicles alone in an empty landscape. These folks hollering around out in the middle of nowhere are full of sh!t.

I guarantee you if Covid comes to Bundy's compound there will be ZERO liberty. These types talk real big about freedom but you can bet they are tyrants of their little armed fortresses. Lockdown is a way of life for these bunkerists.

Biggest city in South Dakota, Sioux Falls, pop. 127,000 . The governor of South Dakota is managing the equivalent population of one small American city, spread out over thousands of square miles. Wonderful for them, fine they can do what they feel is needed and STFU - Their situation has no bearing on densely populated areas and no place in the dialogue.


2112 - 4/7/2020 at 09:11 PM

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You might want to pull out your copy of the constitution and read the very first sentence


"We the People"


Those are the first 3 word of a very long sentence that explains the purpose of the government and why we have the constitution. There are 6 purposes for the constitution (and therefore our government) outlined in that sentence. Three of them apply in relation to the pandemic as far as I interpret them - (1) insure domestic tranquility, (2) provide for a common defense, (3) promote the general welfare. Our founders thought half of the purposes of our government apply here. If were are all sick, then "We the people" doesn't mean very much.


On the contrary, it means everything. The Constitution was written as a safeguard for the people and is our means of keeping the Government in check. It is not a document that is anyway meant to be translated as the Government having ultimate power.

"We the people" are the government. We, not them.


You are right, "We the people" are the government, who as set forth in the constitution elect representatives to make decisions on your behalf. It is your government, and "the people" can elect a different representative to act on your behalf if you don't like the way you are being represented, either on a local or national level. Feel free to tell me exactly which lines of the constitution are being violated right now. I have a copy of the constitution right here, so it would be fun to have that discussion.


" It is your government, and "the people" can elect a different representative to act on your behalf if you don't like the way you are being represented, either on a local or national level. "

I don't feel our elected officials are acting on our behalf and have not for decades. Government is top heavy and will only continue down this path...75% of our populace can't even tell you who their Congressman is much less what he does. Imagine how that model looks when you include, Judges, Senators, Assemblymen, State Senators, Mayors, City Councilman and so on, some of whom have been in office for decades.

"Three of them apply in relation to the pandemic as far as I interpret them - (1) insure domestic tranquility, (2) provide for a common defense, (3) promote the general welfare. "

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As I interpret them


"Domestic tranquility" provides for an assumed agreement between the states to provide calm, which is exactly what South Dakota is doing in claiming that they are not New York. New York is choosing option A and S.D. is not. The Constitution provides for this which is commonly specified as "States Rights".

"Providing for a common defense" is a direct allusion to readiness for War, meaning that Nevada will devote all of its resources in the defense of Oklahoma and Massachusetts for Oregon should we be attacked by a foreign power.

"Promote the general welfare" To defend one State as equally as the others. "Defend" vs. "Provide"...This is a key provision, the Government is under no Constitutional obligation to "provide" anything but freedom and limits to the Government's power. It is our right to decide for ourselves how best to determine what is safe in a time of personal crisis.

I do not wish for my Government to have, exercise or dictate control on how I choose to exercise my rights. Suggest all you want, but do not dare "order" us to do anything under the threat of arrest or citation under any guise.

Don't feel as though your Constitutional rights are being violated?....Just wait, our silence and eagerness to be afraid, while looking to the Government to "Do something" mean only one thing. More control is right around the corner.

I've a question for you 2112. "How long can we the people expect the Economy of this Republic to last in this current state"?

I admire The Governor of South Dakota for standing up for her constituents in saying "We will not willingly sink"

Bravo!


Frankly it does not matter if you think your representatives are properly representing you or not. I certainly don't think Trump is effectively representing me, but he was elected per the constitution so I accept that. If you don't think your representatives are representing you, you have every opportunity to try to vote them out. If you don't like they system, well then you don't like the constitution, because that is how it was written.

Again, I have no problem with rural states having less restrictive measures. Whatever works.

But if you live in a populous state, then more drastic measures are needed. How long can the economy take it? Well, the economy isn't going to thrive if millions die. How do you think China's economy would do in the long term if they didn't take the drastic measures that they did? And yes, promote the general welfare is of the utmost importance here. That is what the stay in place order is all about.

Being patriotic means shared sacrifice. In the best case scenario, twice as many Americans are going to die in the next couple months from COVID-19 than died in over 10 years of fighting in the Vietnam War. I think staying at home for a couple months is far less of a sacrifice than sending young men off to fight in the jungle.


nebish - 4/7/2020 at 09:36 PM

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Did someone state that everyone needed to respond in the same way that CA or NYC did (niether of which was the same response, by the way)?


Actually yes. The media has been banging this drum about states not conforming to "stay at home" orders for weeks now. The President and task force members repeatedly get peppered with the same questions about a national stay at home order and strict national guidance. Plenty of guests and talking heads saying the governors who are not acting are "irresponsible", "dangerous", "careless", "incompetent". Chuck Todd's show on MSNBC right now just had a guest say some of those exact words when referring to one such state (Missouri).

It's like the media wants Trump so badly to say "ok, everyone must issue stay at home order" only then they will rip apart the failures in forces all the states to conform to one standard.

Governors should act according to their demographic, their circumstances. Some will get it right, some might not get it right, some will get it right at some point in between. Some may have to take more drastic and proactive restrictions, others will be able to have more flexibility in their actions.

To your question, has anyone been saying South Dakota should be doing the same thing as California and New York? Specifically for South Dakota I have not heard that. But broadly for every state that doesn't have such an order, yes they have and they have been doing so quite often.


MartinD28 - 4/7/2020 at 10:02 PM

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Fact is you live in South Dakota and most of Idaho you are in voluntary exile. Self-quarantine is not an issue when you are peeing icicles alone in an empty landscape. These folks hollering around out in the middle of nowhere are full of sh!t.

I guarantee you if Covid comes to Bundy's compound there will be ZERO liberty. These types talk real big about freedom but you can bet they are tyrants of their little armed fortresses. Lockdown is a way of life for these bunkerists.

Biggest city in South Dakota, Sioux Falls, pop. 127,000 . The governor of South Dakota is managing the equivalent population of one small American city, spread out over thousands of square miles. Wonderful for them, fine they can do what they feel is needed and STFU - Their situation has no bearing on densely populated areas and no place in the dialogue.


Right on.

I spent about 6 months in in SD bringing up a health care claims processing operation for the state. It's beautiful out there & has some neat history. I'll bet there is a larger bison population than people. The good governor's perspectives are reflective of & proportional to the breadth of the state in which she governs.

On another note - welcome back, Brer. I trust your sabbatical was successful. Hopefully you have some new material to try out on those who "love" your calling out their positions the most.


porkchopbob - 4/7/2020 at 10:42 PM

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Did someone state that everyone needed to respond in the same way that CA or NYC did (niether of which was the same response, by the way)?


Actually yes. The media has been banging this drum about states not conforming to "stay at home" orders for weeks now. The President and task force members repeatedly get peppered with the same questions about a national stay at home order and strict national guidance. Plenty of guests and talking heads saying the governors who are not acting are "irresponsible", "dangerous", "careless", "incompetent". Chuck Todd's show on MSNBC right now just had a guest say some of those exact words when referring to one such state (Missouri).

It's like the media wants Trump so badly to say "ok, everyone must issue stay at home order" only then they will rip apart the failures in forces all the states to conform to one standard.

Governors should act according to their demographic, their circumstances. Some will get it right, some might not get it right, some will get it right at some point in between. Some may have to take more drastic and proactive restrictions, others will be able to have more flexibility in their actions.

To your question, has anyone been saying South Dakota should be doing the same thing as California and New York? Specifically for South Dakota I have not heard that. But broadly for every state that doesn't have such an order, yes they have and they have been doing so quite often.

It's amazing the conversations I (thankfully) miss out on not having cable.

I get the sentiment, I've mentioned here in south Florida that different approaches on a smaller scale (neighboring towns) did not work. I have a brother in Spain, and they waited until Italy got bad before they prepared for impact, and now it's worse there. But those are more densely populated areas. Generally, most people are going to stay home. Like banning jarts, it's the few people who take it too far that cause suggested behaviors to become orders. So if people insist on gathering in Fargo for some reason, someone might have to insist they not, for the safety of everyone else around them.


BIGV - 4/7/2020 at 11:15 PM

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How long can the economy take it? Well, the economy isn't going to thrive if millions die.


The economy will certainly tank if millions are out of work for than 3 months, small businesses will fail with industry suffering next. Certainly a conversation about the future of the economy is one that needs to be had and soon. How does the thought of a depression sound?

quote:
How do you think China's economy would do in the long term if they didn't take the drastic measures that they did?.


China's economy is the least of my concerns

quote:
In the best case scenario, twice as many Americans are going to die in the next couple months from COVID-19 than died in over 10 years of fighting in the Vietnam War. I think staying at home for a couple months is far less of a sacrifice than sending young men off to fight in the jungle.


We have zero proof that staying at home is going to do anything beyond "Flattening the curve" and then what?..Can you get it a second time? Will we develop an immunity? There is so much the "experts" do not know and amazing how much the media influences everyday life because the "experts" are not sure about anything, nor can they realistically project what even the near future holds. The "best case scenario" looks way more bleak for the economy than it does for the future of health on this Planet....


OriginalGoober - 4/7/2020 at 11:46 PM

So China, which has at a minimum 3 TIMES the population of the US has not seen any spread of the virus to Beijing or Shanghai, two of the most populous cities in the world. This seems really strange to me in light of how easy the virus spreads.

Here are the 10 most populated cities in the world, as reported by Time.
Shanghai, China.
Mumbai, India. ...
S„o Paulo, Brazil. ...
Beijing, China. ...
Mexico City, Mexico. ...
Osaka, Japan. ...
Cairo, Egypt. ...
New York-Newark, United States. ...


crazyjoe - 4/7/2020 at 11:52 PM

I don't think there is any question that our hero Dumb Donald is guilty 10 times over for his initial delay in taking the virus seriously and even worse, convincing the public the threat was not serious!!! I would say this Lady could be headed a similar direction? I was at Krogers and the annoying Hoosier Hillbilly cashier girl, been there for years, loudly ranting and and raving how she is sick and tired of all this damn hoax etc? Unreal!! She didn't have a mask, 80% of the shoppers did, I had on 2.........stay hunkered......care about one another..........joe


nebish - 4/8/2020 at 12:00 AM

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quote:
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Did someone state that everyone needed to respond in the same way that CA or NYC did (niether of which was the same response, by the way)?


Actually yes. The media has been banging this drum about states not conforming to "stay at home" orders for weeks now. The President and task force members repeatedly get peppered with the same questions about a national stay at home order and strict national guidance. Plenty of guests and talking heads saying the governors who are not acting are "irresponsible", "dangerous", "careless", "incompetent". Chuck Todd's show on MSNBC right now just had a guest say some of those exact words when referring to one such state (Missouri).

It's like the media wants Trump so badly to say "ok, everyone must issue stay at home order" only then they will rip apart the failures in forces all the states to conform to one standard.

Governors should act according to their demographic, their circumstances. Some will get it right, some might not get it right, some will get it right at some point in between. Some may have to take more drastic and proactive restrictions, others will be able to have more flexibility in their actions.

To your question, has anyone been saying South Dakota should be doing the same thing as California and New York? Specifically for South Dakota I have not heard that. But broadly for every state that doesn't have such an order, yes they have and they have been doing so quite often.

It's amazing the conversations I (thankfully) miss out on not having cable.

I get the sentiment, I've mentioned here in south Florida that different approaches on a smaller scale (neighboring towns) did not work. I have a brother in Spain, and they waited until Italy got bad before they prepared for impact, and now it's worse there. But those are more densely populated areas. Generally, most people are going to stay home. Like banning jarts, it's the few people who take it too far that cause suggested behaviors to become orders. So if people insist on gathering in Fargo for some reason, someone might have to insist they not, for the safety of everyone else around them.


True, if you donít like it, you wonít find any benefit in it. Just because I have cable/satellite doesnít mean I have to watch.

But I like hearing what people are saying and how they are positioning their positions.

So tonight, I normally watch CNN for their kinda dinner hour timeframe coverage. Thereís been this talk around how maybe the networks shouldnít carry these task force briefings because of the Presidentís misinformation, ramblings and attacks on the press. What do they do tonight? Carry all of the a Trump part, which is the most worthless part, then when Trump leaves the room handing off to Pence, Fauci and Birx CNN drops it. So they carry the sensational misleading part they supposedly donít like and donít carry the most informative part.

I donít know why I like it but I do. I surround myself with it, trying to pick up on different views either by TV, radio, and papers.

BigV has his own reasons for starting the thread, the debate about how some states are holding out against a stay at home and shelter in place order is what came into my head based on frequent calls by the media for everyone to do the same thing (or along the same lines).


2112 - 4/8/2020 at 12:36 AM

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How long can the economy take it? Well, the economy isn't going to thrive if millions die.


The economy will certainly tank if millions are out of work for than 3 months, small businesses will fail with industry suffering next. Certainly a conversation about the future of the economy is one that needs to be had and soon. How does the thought of a depression sound?

quote:
How do you think China's economy would do in the long term if they didn't take the drastic measures that they did?.


China's economy is the least of my concerns

quote:
In the best case scenario, twice as many Americans are going to die in the next couple months from COVID-19 than died in over 10 years of fighting in the Vietnam War. I think staying at home for a couple months is far less of a sacrifice than sending young men off to fight in the jungle.


We have zero proof that staying at home is going to do anything beyond "Flattening the curve" and then what?..Can you get it a second time? Will we develop an immunity? There is so much the "experts" do not know and amazing how much the media influences everyday life because the "experts" are not sure about anything, nor can they realistically project what even the near future holds. The "best case scenario" looks way more bleak for the economy than it does for the future of health on this Planet....


Sounds like you want everything to reopen right away and whoever dies, dies. I personally don't think having the virus spread more quickly is going to be good for the economy, but we will just have to disagree on that. I'm glad you are in the minority. Even Trump, who has a major case of denial, seems to finally understand the importance of the shelter in place.

And the reason you should be concerned with what is happening in China is that they are a few months ahead of us. We should be paying attention to what works there and what doesn't work. Learn from other people's mistakes and successes. We have several models of what can happen for countries that experienced the outbreak earlier than us - China, South Korea, Italy. Hong Kong and Macau are both densely populated cities that got hit before us and neither had the widespread cases and deaths that NY has. In fact, Hong Kong had less than 950 cases and only 4 deaths (fewer deaths than South Dakota). You may not care about Hong Kong, but ignoring their success is nothing but celebrating ignorance.


BrerRabbit - 4/8/2020 at 12:39 AM

quote:
I donít know why I like it but I do.


I know it's only mind control
But I like it like it yes I do!


porkchopbob - 4/8/2020 at 12:44 AM

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And the reason you should be concerned with what is happening in China is that they are a few months ahead of us.

I agree we can learn from those who are ahead of us, but China did pretty much round people up. They were much more aggressive in their containment. Also they are only sharing the bare minimum of info.


BrerRabbit - 4/8/2020 at 12:48 AM

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welcome back, Brer. I trust your sabbatical was successful


thx man - like I told BigV I was lurking - figure if I avoid muleman I can do this. e.g. reading his dismissal of the legit concerns of American Hospital Association, because NPR reported them, that type of thing, I just gotta stay out of it.


BrerRabbit - 4/8/2020 at 01:26 AM

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view him the same way you view a deranged homeless person begging for change.


I tell them "Change comes from within, brother".


piacere - 4/8/2020 at 09:11 AM

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We have zero proof that staying at home is going to do anything beyond "Flattening the curve" and then what?..Can you get it a second time? Will we develop an immunity? There is so much the "experts" do not know and amazing how much the media influences everyday life because the "experts" are not sure about anything, nor can they realistically project what even the near future holds.


A regular Joe criticizing doctors and health experts for not knowing enough....JFC. How about you turn off the TV and do whatever you please?



Are you being sarcastic? I ask only because RI got a grade of "C" for it's social distancing. Lots of people doing as they please, which to me, exacerbates and perpetuates the problem. On the other hand, what the hell good is a 14 day quarantine? If every single person did it, every person, then yeah, I could see a high level of effectiveness. Short of that, this thing marches on. This stay at home nonsense; for how long? 14 days? What good is that? 3 months? Through the predicted next wave in the fall? From what I've seen in RI this thing will never go away. Wear a mask, stay the F away from me (I've said that 50 times the last 3 weeks) wash your hands, all the stuff we're supposed to do BC "we're all in this together". (BTW, we're not in this together, its those of us who are considerate, courteous and aware v. an abundance of ignoramuses.

Ty for allowing me to vent. I despise the inconsiderate actions of some people.


piacere - 4/8/2020 at 05:02 PM

I pay close attention when Fauci talks.

Can you imagine the conversation between him and his loved ones every night during dinner?

Trump must be driving him crazy.


OriginalGoober - 4/8/2020 at 05:14 PM

Fauci comes from a world where uncertainty and the unknown are a large part of every plan to develop a drug or vaccine. You really dont know until you do the testing so you cant ever say for sure about the questions people want answers to now. These tests can take a year or more. Of course he is now thrust in the spotlight to answer these questions. Many of those asking the questions dont care about the answer, only whether it makes President Trump look bad.


tcatanesi - 4/8/2020 at 05:17 PM

"The president seems oblivious to the fact that his own clown car of an administration bungled the priceless lead time we had to get ready for the pandemic." --Maureen Dowd, NY Times


piacere - 4/8/2020 at 05:26 PM

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Fauci comes from a world where uncertainty and the unknown are a large part of every plan to develop a drug or vaccine. You really dont know until you do the testing so you cant ever say for sure about the questions people want answers to now. These tests can take a year or more. Of course he is now thrust in the spotlight to answer these questions. Many of those asking the questions dont care about the answer, only whether it makes President Trump look bad.


You don't think Trump looks bad on his own?


MartinD28 - 4/8/2020 at 05:54 PM

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Fauci comes from a world where uncertainty and the unknown are a large part of every plan to develop a drug or vaccine. You really dont know until you do the testing so you cant ever say for sure about the questions people want answers to now. These tests can take a year or more. Of course he is now thrust in the spotlight to answer these questions. Many of those asking the questions dont care about the answer, only whether it makes President Trump look bad.


Fauci comes from a world of science and study that presents facts based upon findings. He is tasked to save lives and prevent death.

Trump comes from a world of conjecture, gut feelings, impulsive decison making, reactionary moves, and whatever in any given day he can squeeze out to make himself look good. Facts be damned in his world. Lies and blaming others are much more important for his self preservation.

So goob - I'll take my medical advice from Dr. Fauci, but you go ahead and take your medical advice from Dr. Trump.


2112 - 4/12/2020 at 11:26 PM

Speaking of Coronavirus in South Dakota:

https://www.newsweek.com/meatpacking-giant-closes-south-dakota-plant-indefi nitely-after-almost-300-employees-test-positive-1497498?utm_term=Autofeed&a mp;utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1586728801


BIGV - 4/13/2020 at 07:27 AM

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I pay close attention when Fauci talks..


Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD on Mr Fauci
https://youtu.be/NjjybyJ59Lw


2112 - 4/13/2020 at 08:33 AM

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I pay close attention when Fauci talks..


Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD on Mr Fauci
https://youtu.be/NjjybyJ59Lw


That guy is a partisan hack who spreads more conspiracy theories than Gina. He even lied claiming to have invented email. The fact that he immediately went off into Trump loving, Obama hating politics really tells you all you need to know. Meanwhile, Fauci has worked for presidents from both parties and certainly is far from a partisan hack.


MartinD28 - 4/13/2020 at 11:26 AM

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I pay close attention when Fauci talks..


Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD on Mr Fauci
https://youtu.be/NjjybyJ59Lw


That guy is a partisan hack who spreads more conspiracy theories than Gina. He even lied claiming to have invented email. The fact that he immediately went off into Trump loving, Obama hating politics really tells you all you need to know. Meanwhile, Fauci has worked for presidents from both parties and certainly is far from a partisan hack.


It's always easy to find exceptions and outliers to support any point of view and inject the usual desire for argument. From what I've read & seen, the consensus is that the medical community and the American public has confidence in Dr. Fauci and at percentages way beyond the guy who would challenge him at the podium.


nebish - 4/13/2020 at 06:34 PM

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Speaking of Coronavirus in South Dakota:

https://www.newsweek.com/meatpacking-giant-closes-south-dakota-plant-indefi nitely-after-almost-300-employees-test-positive-1497498?utm_term=Autofeed&a mp;utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1586728801


This has happened in many states, some with strict stay at home orders like Colorado, Virginia, Pennsylvania.

The governors keep certain businesses open because they are essential and then the virus spreads there.


porkchopbob - 4/18/2020 at 01:39 PM

It will be interesting to see how she responds now that the virus is in her backyard.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/14/coronavirus-cases-skyrocket-in-south-dakota/

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The Republican governor continues to resist a shutdown even as calls for such policies mount. The South Dakota State Medical Association penned a letter to Noem on April 3 urging her to institute a mandatory quarantine.

ďA stay-at-home order would give our health professionals the necessary time and resources to manage this pandemic,Ē the group wrote on its website. ďWe may soon be facing the challenges and hardships being seen in New York and other cities if a shelter in place order is not issued immediately.Ē


nebish - 4/18/2020 at 02:39 PM

Yes, it will be watched very close as there are some vested interests in this nationally.

I do not view the outbreak at the meat packing facility as the issue here, because there have been similar issues around the country in various states. The potential problem is what were those infected allowed to do after they left work and were infected and didn't know it yet, potentially spreading it in a way that they might not have spread it in other states.

South Dakota Department of Health has some releases on recent positive cases. For instance they tell of an employee at O'Reilly Auto Parts testing positive. Could that person have gotten it from a Smithfield employee? They also list Tienda America, a food market. Well, auto parts stores and food markets in my state are open and Ohio has been praised nationally for actions Governor Dewine has taken. But there was a case from a diner 120 miles from Sioux Falls, just a small little dot on the map Lane SD. Restaurants were open in South Dakota, many recently have announced closures or take out only. Up to that point people from the Smithfield plant could've gone to a restaurant or diner and spread the disease unknowingly. Was this their acceptable risk, what will the fall out be?


BIGV - 4/18/2020 at 05:28 PM

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I pay close attention when Fauci talks..


Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD on Mr Fauci
https://youtu.be/NjjybyJ59Lw


That guy is a partisan hack who spreads more conspiracy theories than Gina. He even lied claiming to have invented email.



A "Partisan Hack" who just happens to be a graduate of M.I.T. (PHD) and there seems to be a legitimate argument that he did indeed have a lot to do with E-Mail becoming what it is.

Seems a "Partisan Hack" is anyone who veers off the course the mainstream media has paved...


nebish - 4/18/2020 at 06:19 PM

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I pay close attention when Fauci talks..


Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD on Mr Fauci
https://youtu.be/NjjybyJ59Lw


That guy is a partisan hack who spreads more conspiracy theories than Gina. He even lied claiming to have invented email.



A "Partisan Hack" who just happens to be a graduate of M.I.T. (PHD) and there seems to be a legitimate argument that he did indeed have a lot to do with E-Mail becoming what it is.

Seems a "Partisan Hack" is anyone who veers off the course the mainstream media has paved...


I decided to watch the video. I had to stop when he said Fauci "is your typical example of the worst of the modern scientific establishment".

Look, Dr Ayyadurai knows way more about medical science than I ever will and so does Dr Fauci. I can certainly appreciate that there are differing opinions regarding viruses and immune response and pharmaceutical remedies, or otherwise.

But Dr Fauci is part of a team who is advising our government on what to do. Maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong. It is the same thing with Amy Acton in Ohio. She is under assault and criticism too. Until one of those critics actually replace her, there is no point in paying much attention to what they say. It is easy to sit on the sidelines and backseat drive this thing. The people in charge of these decisions carry the weight.


BIGV - 4/18/2020 at 06:52 PM

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Maybe he's right, [maybe he's wrong.


This is the main issue in a nutshell. What gives "this expert" more credibility than that one? All of the experts are well educated and articulate. Is it about whom they represent?....That goes to agenda.

All of the experts agree that we've found vaccines for polio.....Let's use that as a standard


PhotoRon286 - 4/18/2020 at 07:09 PM

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I pay close attention when Fauci talks..


Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD on Mr Fauci
https://youtu.be/NjjybyJ59Lw


Might as well quote Dr. oz & "Dr." phil.

And McCoy, House, Spock, Doogie Houser, etc.

[Edited on 4/18/2020 by PhotoRon286]


BIGV - 4/18/2020 at 07:18 PM

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quote:
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I pay close attention when Fauci talks..


Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD on Mr Fauci
https://youtu.be/NjjybyJ59Lw


Might as well quote Dr. oz & "Dr." phil.

And McCoy, House, Spock, Doogie Houser, etc.

[Edited on 4/18/2020 by PhotoRon286]


Did they graduate from M.I.T. with a PHD?


MartinD28 - 4/18/2020 at 07:37 PM

Getting degrees and even advanced degrees is not difficult. The right mindset and work will get you there. Someone can be academically gifted and able to obtain a degree, a masters degree, or even a doctorate. And that can be obtained at "prestigious" universities. That doesn't mean that the individual is good in his or her discipline. Doesn't mean their theories or body of work are correct. Doesn't mean that they provide accurate and value added to society. It only means they were able to obtain degrees.


nebish - 4/18/2020 at 07:38 PM

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Maybe he's right, [maybe he's wrong.


This is the main issue in a nutshell. What gives "this expert" more credibility than that one? All of the experts are well educated and articulate. Is it about whom they represent?....That goes to agenda.

All of the experts agree that we've found vaccines for polio.....Let's use that as a standard


People are going to look at things differently. Fauci has spent decades advising several Presidents in our government. That alone doesn't make him any better than Ayyadurai, but until Ayyadurai reaches that point of authority, his words mean much less to me. In a crisis, I tend to listen to the people responsible for managing the crisis. Can they be wrong? Sure. May they error in ways they otherwise shouldn't have? Possibly. But somebody has to be in charge, officially. Everyone has an opinion, opinions are like assh0les right? The opinions of the people in an official capacity to lead us through this matters more, to me.


BIGV - 4/18/2020 at 08:38 PM

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Getting degrees and even advanced degrees is not difficult. The right mindset and work will get you there. Someone can be academically gifted and able to obtain a degree, a masters degree, or even a doctorate. And that can be obtained at "prestigious" universities. That doesn't mean that the individual is good in his or her discipline. Doesn't mean their theories or body of work are correct. Doesn't mean that they provide accurate and value added to society. It only means they were able to obtain degrees.



And does this "theory" of yours apply to all individuals with advanced degrees?...Or just the ones with "bodies of work" that fit your viewpoints and beliefs?

Please


BIGV - 4/18/2020 at 08:39 PM

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but until Ayyadurai reaches that point of authority, his words mean much less to me.


Fair enough and a good example of agree/belief


2112 - 4/18/2020 at 09:07 PM

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I pay close attention when Fauci talks..


Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD on Mr Fauci
https://youtu.be/NjjybyJ59Lw


That guy is a partisan hack who spreads more conspiracy theories than Gina. He even lied claiming to have invented email.



A "Partisan Hack" who just happens to be a graduate of M.I.T. (PHD) and there seems to be a legitimate argument that he did indeed have a lot to do with E-Mail becoming what it is.

Seems a "Partisan Hack" is anyone who veers off the course the mainstream media has paved...


You seem to give him credibility because he is supporting Trump and attacking Obama. It is clear that he developed his ideas to fit that agenda. Fauci is developing his plan without any partisan intent. If Ayyadurai is correct, because he is so obviously partisan, it is hard to take him seriously. It is kind of like the scientific hacks the tobacco industry hire to tell us that smoking is good for you.


piacere - 4/18/2020 at 09:34 PM

quote:
quote:
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I pay close attention when Fauci talks..


Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD on Mr Fauci
https://youtu.be/NjjybyJ59Lw


That guy is a partisan hack who spreads more conspiracy theories than Gina. He even lied claiming to have invented email.



A "Partisan Hack" who just happens to be a graduate of M.I.T. (PHD) and there seems to be a legitimate argument that he did indeed have a lot to do with E-Mail becoming what it is.

Seems a "Partisan Hack" is anyone who veers off the course the mainstream media has paved...


So to the point at hand...more vitamins A, C and D and I'm good to go? This is no doubt a pretty smart guy but I didn't get what exactly his answer is to the present virus. He knocks Fauci and aside from some vitamin supplements/better diet, says isolation is more detrimental than beneficial, get some sun, offers no legitimate answers to some important questions that Miss Cleavage never asked.


BIGV - 4/18/2020 at 09:35 PM

quote:
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quote:
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quote:
I pay close attention when Fauci talks..


Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD on Mr Fauci
https://youtu.be/NjjybyJ59Lw


That guy is a partisan hack who spreads more conspiracy theories than Gina. He even lied claiming to have invented email.



A "Partisan Hack" who just happens to be a graduate of M.I.T. (PHD) and there seems to be a legitimate argument that he did indeed have a lot to do with E-Mail becoming what it is.

Seems a "Partisan Hack" is anyone who veers off the course the mainstream media has paved...


You seem to give him credibility because he is supporting Trump and attacking Obama.


No. I listened to what he had to say and found an opinion different from the media's constant selling of fear to be refreshing and interesting. And once again, I have no problem with President Obama, a precise, intelligent and articulate man for whom I have a lot of respect.


gina - 4/18/2020 at 09:37 PM

South Dakota is not safe to reduce their restrictions till June 22 and even then it will be gradual if good sense prevails.

Https://covid19.healthdata.org


BIGV - 4/18/2020 at 09:38 PM

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vitamin supplements/better diet, says isolation is more detrimental than beneficial, get some sun,


I would agree, but then again I probably know as much as the person who reads off a teleprompter weeknights @ 5 & 6.


crazyjoe - 5/12/2020 at 04:13 AM

Update: South Dakota's Governor Refused To Shutdown, The State Now Faces One Of The Nations Largest Coronavirus Outbreaks......

https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0Okd0Z5o?s=a99&pd=05JiOiuk

[Edited on 5/12/2020 by crazyjoe]


tbomike - 5/12/2020 at 02:18 PM

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Update: South Dakota's Governor Refused To Shutdown, The State Now Faces One Of The Nations Largest Coronavirus Outbreaks......

https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0Okd0Z5o?s=a99&pd=05JiOiuk

[Edited on 5/12/2020 by crazyjoe]


Your article is 28 days old and her strategy worked fine if you go look up that her state still has among the lowest numbers anywhere in the country.


rmack - 5/12/2020 at 08:06 PM

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I pay close attention when Fauci talks..


Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD on Mr Fauci
https://youtu.be/NjjybyJ59Lw


There is nothing in this guy's resume to suggest he has ANY expertise or experience in epidemiology or infectious disease, plenty to suggest he peddles crackpot conspiracy theories. Fauci has been director of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases for 36 YEARS under SIX presidential administrations. "Click" and "Clack" from "Car Talk" have degrees from MIT, Clack a PHD. Perhaps they should take over the COVID response.


BrerRabbit - 5/12/2020 at 08:21 PM

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. . . her state still has among the lowest numbers anywhere in the country.


Hello . . . ello . . . ello . . . THERE'S ALMOST NOBODY IN SOUTH DAKOTA. South Dakota has the lowest numbers of anything, anywhere on the planet except maybe Antarctica. Antarctica has South Dakota beat on unoccupied square acreage.


tbomike - 5/12/2020 at 08:51 PM

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. . . her state still has among the lowest numbers anywhere in the country.


Hello . . . ello . . . ello . . . THERE'S ALMOST NOBODY IN SOUTH DAKOTA. South Dakota has the lowest numbers of anything, anywhere on the planet except maybe Antarctica. Antarctica has South Dakota beat on unoccupied square acreage.


Hello dumbo. I am well aware of that. Which is why this Governor did not need draconian lockdown policies.


BrerRabbit - 5/12/2020 at 09:01 PM

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Hello dumbo.


To the tune of El Condor Pasa

I'd rather be a dumbo than a diiick . . .


tbomike - 5/12/2020 at 09:04 PM

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Hello dumbo.


To the tune of El Condor Pasa

I'd rather be a dumbo than a diiick . . .




Oh please. You were being a dick with your hello bs so don't pretend you were not trying to provoke a reaction. So you had both covered.


BrerRabbit - 5/12/2020 at 09:42 PM

lol. I guess my comment was pretty dumb. Wasnt a jab at you, I just enjoy making fun of South Dakota. They could have done anything they wanted on the crisis response and nobody would have given a crap.

So, fine SD, act all states rights and independent. Go ahead pee icicles and act tough, fact is you better pray the Union stands because when the Federal Govt collapses the Sioux are gonna take it back. Your heads are gonna be hanging from tipi poles.

[Edited on 5/12/2020 by BrerRabbit]


BIGV - 5/13/2020 at 11:08 AM

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I just enjoy making fun of South Dakota.


Understandable.....I enjoy laughing at New York.


crazyjoe - 5/13/2020 at 11:58 AM

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Update: South Dakota's Governor Refused To Shutdown, The State Now Faces One Of The Nations Largest Coronavirus Outbreaks......

https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0Okd0Z5o?s=a99&pd=05JiOiuk

[Edited on 5/12/2020 by crazyjoe]


Your article is 28 days old and her strategy worked fine if you go look up that her state still has among the lowest numbers anywhere in the country.


I was just testing Yous, You passed, Congrats!!........ Nah actually I don't know how I came to be reading a month old article? I did check per capita documented infections, S.D. looks maybe 40th, being so rural, they should do well, off subject and pointless here, my rural county is small, but we have 2 large prisons in county, Indiana State Prison and Westville Correctional, which has a SuperMax wing for them extreme offenders, sadly, the prisons, especially Westville are infected badly, which factors into the numbers, no less dangerous or frightening...........coverdown!!!!!!............lay low...........joe


cyclone88 - 5/13/2020 at 12:12 PM

So why is this great champion of the people hell-bent on refusing the Native Americans there to allow entry of yet another non-indigenous disease? Hasn't the west inflicted enough on the Indian population w/smallpox, measles, cholera, tuberculosis, & typhus? They're allowed check-points to determine who is safe to enter land under their sovereign control. If the sticking point is that the governor is pissed she wasn't asked, there's been ample time for her to discuss it w/the tribal leaders rather than threatening legal action. My guess is she'd lose on any legal actions she wastes time & resources on taking based on precedent in favor of Native Americans & entry roads.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/497047-native-american-tribes-reje ct-south-dakota-governors-request-to-take


BrerRabbit - 5/13/2020 at 02:18 PM

^ Give em an inch and they'll take a mile. Gotta keep em in line - let em know who's boss. Allowing checkpoints to Indian Country, next thing they might try to get their abrogated 1868 treaty of Fort Laramie lands back, which would mean that the Lakota would collect revenues from the Sturgis bike rally.

[Edited on 5/14/2020 by BrerRabbit]


crazyjoe - 5/16/2020 at 04:12 PM

Just noticed again yesterday, S.D. is one of just a handful of States whose Coronavirus infection rates are still climbing sharply??.........joe


tbomike - 5/16/2020 at 04:55 PM

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Just noticed again yesterday, S.D. is one of just a handful of States whose Coronavirus infection rates are still climbing sharply??.........joe


If you say so. They have a whopping 75 cases in their hospitals right now. How will they ever manage?

South Dakota reported 72 new cases of COVID-19 Saturday, bringing the total number of confirmed cases in the state to 3,959, with 1242 active cases.

https://doh.sd.gov/news/coronavirus.aspx#SD

No new deaths were reported Saturday, while the number of hospitalized patients dropped from 80 to 75 and total recoveries held firm at 2,673. A total of 304 cases have required hospitalization.

Of the 3,959 total cases that have been confirmed statewide, 3,119 have come from Minnehaha County, with another 201 in Lincoln County and 194 in Brown County. 923 of the confirmed cases have been in individuals between the ages of 30-39, 726 have been 40-49, 714 have been 20-29 and 669 have been aged 50-59, while 24 of the 44 deaths have been in patients aged 80 and over. Seven deaths have been between 60-69, six between 50-59 and five between 70-79. One person aged 30-39 and one person 40-49 has died.


cyclone88 - 5/16/2020 at 05:49 PM

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Just noticed again yesterday, S.D. is one of just a handful of States whose Coronavirus infection rates are still climbing sharply??.........joe


If you say so. They have a whopping 75 cases in their hospitals right now. How will they ever manage?


The SD Dept of Health licenses 2,006 beds w/an estimated 700 critical care beds spread throughout the state. Good thing all those 4,000 cases didn't come at the same time needing hospital beds.

According to the Johns Hopkins Univ. model, SD cases increased 134% between May 7 & May 14 followed by 50% increases in Arkansas & Maine. Because the state has a small population, the percentage of cases is high - top 20 in the nation & 1st in the nation last week.

As for tribal medical care, there is an 8-bed medical facility & a 3 hour drive to the closest regional hospital w/an ICU should anyone of the 12,000 members of the population become critically ill.

The gov has backed down & admitted that she couldn't bring suit over the tribal checkpoints monitoring tourist & hunter entry into tribal land as it's a federal court matter & not state court.


crazyjoe - 5/16/2020 at 05:57 PM

Climbing %'s are Climbing %'s..? I don't know all the details?.........
Joe


BrerRabbit - 5/16/2020 at 09:43 PM

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I just enjoy making fun of South Dakota.


Understandable.....I enjoy laughing at New York.


We aren't coming from the same place; "making fun of" and "laughing at" are entirely different things

The difference is affection versus disdain. I have visited North and South Dakota a few times, I appreciate the region; love the natural beauty, fascinated by the history, enjoyed the people . . . while you on the other hand have made it clear that you dislike everything north of the Mason-Dixon Line, written it off as "too many damn Yankees" as you put it. You have repeatedly declared here that you have never seen New England and have no desire to visit or learn about this part of your nation.

Not the same thing at all .

[Edited on 5/17/2020 by BrerRabbit]


nebish - 5/17/2020 at 02:43 AM

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We aren't coming from the same place; "making fun of" and "laughing at" are entirely different things


When I think of "making fun of" something, I am applying some of my own jokes or comments or mocking to create the fun of the subject. While laughing at something is just a reaction to the subject without injecting or creating anything on my own. Right?


BrerRabbit - 5/17/2020 at 02:51 AM

^ LOL - one of the best ways to make fun of stuff is to take it serious. It's a good question. It all depends on intent I guess.


nebish - 5/17/2020 at 05:51 PM

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^ LOL - one of the best ways to make fun of stuff is to take it serious.


Like Obamagate.


BrerRabbit - 5/17/2020 at 06:10 PM

exactly - you got my frequency figured out


BIGV - 5/18/2020 at 01:33 AM

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I just enjoy making fun of South Dakota.


Understandable.....I enjoy laughing at New York.


We aren't coming from the same place; "making fun of" and "laughing at" are entirely different things

The difference is affection versus disdain. I have visited North and South Dakota a few times, I appreciate the region; love the natural beauty, fascinated by the history, enjoyed the people . . . while you on the other hand have made it clear that you dislike everything north of the Mason-Dixon Line, written it off as "too many damn Yankees" as you put it. You have repeatedly declared here that you have never seen New England and have no desire to visit or learn about this part of your nation.

Not the same thing at all .


Fair enough. You can continue making fun of S.D. and I will resume laughing at N.Y. It matters not to me how if at all this affects your day.


BrerRabbit - 5/18/2020 at 04:32 AM

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You can continue making fun of S.D.


OK, here's one: What do you call social distancing in South Dakota?

Overcrowding.


2112 - 5/18/2020 at 05:24 AM

Do you know what Trump has in common with the presidents on Mount Rushmore?


nebish - 5/18/2020 at 01:18 PM

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Do you know what Trump has in common with the presidents on Mount Rushmore?



They all have rocks in their heads?


BrerRabbit - 5/18/2020 at 03:59 PM

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Do you know what Trump has in common with the presidents on Mount Rushmore?


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They all have rocks in their heads?


"Rocks in their heads" hahaha

I bet before this runs its course we are going to see a Mt. Trump. It will be a real piece of work I'm sure.


2112 - 5/18/2020 at 04:00 PM

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Do you know what Trump has in common with the presidents on Mount Rushmore?



They all have rocks in their heads?


Yeah, pretty obvious and certainly the only similarity.


BrerRabbit - 5/18/2020 at 04:09 PM

Well there is also the buzzard poop running down his left nostril.


crazyjoe - 5/23/2020 at 06:24 PM

I wanted to give my update again, don't want to hide on this, as I was just touch mouthy before in the thread, S.D. for what ever reason has been looking good now about 6 days running they are green on the map, while again for whatever reason has been struggling during the same time? All dark red. As stated here, both states have low population?........Peace......joe


tbomike - 5/23/2020 at 06:48 PM

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I wanted to give my update again, don't want to hide on this, as I was just touch mouthy before in the thread, S.D. for what ever reason has been looking good now about 6 days running they are green on the map, while again for whatever reason has been struggling during the same time? All dark red. As stated here, both states have low population?........Peace......joe


Not sure what the 2nd state you are talking about as you seem to have omitted that? But your are right that SD is trending well. And as I point out in another thread Vermont currently has 2 covid patients in hospitals and still on lockdown.

https://doh.sd.gov/news/coronavirus.aspx


crazyjoe - 5/23/2020 at 06:57 PM

Sorry, I was looking at N.D. right above them, why would they be hot red? I know the low population makes it easier to change trends?


tbomike - 5/23/2020 at 07:09 PM

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Sorry, I was looking at N.D. right above them, why would they be hot red? I know the low population makes it easier to change trends?


Got it. Yeah I do agree in the low population states the percentage stuff can jump quickly. But it seems they are mostly seeing it in one country and the new case trend line looks decent enough.

https://www.health.nd.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/north-dakota-coro navirus-cases


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