Thread: Iowa Caucuses

BIGV - 2/4/2020 at 05:44 PM

Results from the Democratsí Iowa caucuses have been delayed by ďinconsistenciesĒ in the reporting, the state party says........

I guess Hillary is still calling the shots and just can't stomach Bernie Saunders doing well...

This my guess as to why there is a "delay"...They must be "re-tabulating".


Stephen - 2/4/2020 at 05:57 PM

Shoot, still preseason & already a controversy- hopefully not reminiscent of the 2000 ďCHADĒ controversy in Florida, altho that was the election not caucuses
- hopefully itís cleared up by next week


OriginalGoober - 2/4/2020 at 05:58 PM

500,000 votes only 200,000 attendees. Democrat election rigging continues


MartinD28 - 2/4/2020 at 07:18 PM

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500,000 votes only 200,000 attendees. Democrat election rigging continues


Thank goodness there's a Russia to keep things clean in the general election for the chosen one.


BIGV - 2/4/2020 at 07:36 PM

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500,000 votes only 200,000 attendees. Democrat election rigging continues


Thank goodness there's a Russia to keep things clean in the general election for the chosen one.


I would think Russians would prefer Bernie


Skydog32103 - 2/4/2020 at 08:13 PM

Hillary is secretly plotting, itís the Dems that are rigging elections despite the Republicans admitting to it, and the Russians are helping Bernie, not Trump......imagine having to lie to yourself and to others on a website in order to feel normal. Yikes.


BrerRabbit - 2/4/2020 at 08:18 PM

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I would think Russians would prefer Bernie


Putin is a fascist nationalist crony capitalist. Russia is less socialist than the USA these days.

Trump is his boy.

[Edited on 2/4/2020 by BrerRabbit]


BIGV - 2/4/2020 at 08:35 PM

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Hillary is secretly plotting, itís the Dems that are rigging elections despite the Republicans admitting to it, and the Russians are helping Bernie, not Trump......imagine having to lie to yourself and to others on a website in order to feel normal. Yikes.


You are entitled to see it anyway you like my friend, to me?...Sheer comedy, all of it.


Jerry - 2/4/2020 at 11:44 PM

Keep on spending that money Michael.

Bloomberg has 13 votes in Wright county, a n d, 13 votes state wide, so far, even though it says final count.


OriginalGoober - 2/4/2020 at 11:58 PM

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Keep on spending that money Michael.

Bloomberg has 13 votes in Wright county, a n d, 13 votes state wide, so far, even though it says final count.


Minnie Mike lost me when he when on record praising California as a wonderful model of government he wants to replicate from the white house.


MartinD28 - 2/5/2020 at 01:07 AM

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Keep on spending that money Michael.

Bloomberg has 13 votes in Wright county, a n d, 13 votes state wide, so far, even though it says final count.

Please post how much he spent in Iowa and how many times he campaigned there.


Jerry - 2/5/2020 at 01:55 AM

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Keep on spending that money Michael.

Bloomberg has 13 votes in Wright county, a n d, 13 votes state wide, so far, even though it says final count.

Please post how much he spent in Iowa and how many times he campaigned there.


No figures available for how much he spent in Iowa, there is, however, the fact that so far he has spent around $200 million on ads across the country, including Iowa.
His political strategy is reported that he will not campaign in the first four primaries and spend time in the states voting on Super Tuesday.

That's a lot of money spent to start out with only 16 votes in an entire state.


nebish - 2/5/2020 at 02:04 AM

Bloomberg couldíve got 0 votes in Iowa for all he cared.


MartinD28 - 2/5/2020 at 02:13 AM

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Bloomberg couldíve got 0 votes in Iowa for all he cared.


Correct because he didn't spend and didn't campaign there as a strategic decision. He has made the decision to bypass several states.


BIGV - 2/5/2020 at 02:58 AM

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No figures available for how much he spent in Iowa, there is, however, the fact that so far he has spent around $200 million on ads across the country, including Iowa.


Does this qualify him for that 1% category?


Skydog32103 - 2/5/2020 at 02:00 PM

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You are entitled to see it anyway you like my friend, to me?...Sheer comedy, all of it.


i'm glad you're amused by your secret Hillary plot theory, but i pity the folks who buy into the Hillary scapegoat ploy that Trump offered up on a silver platter. a buddy of mine is a laborer who helps install gas tanks at gas stations, just as his father did. they live a great modest life in rural maryland. i asked them how they could support Trump, and they told me that nobody else ever seemed to give a damn about helping the working class, and Trump's style was refreshing to hear since they felt forgotten. they had no reservation whatsoever admitting to wanting a drastic change. never once did they mention the pathetic silly Hillary ghost. I admired and respected their answer, and had nothing negative to say. there was nothing but honor in that answer. but when i hear successful folks say "but Hillary", i can only roll my eyes and think of my friends from MD.


Skydog32103 - 2/5/2020 at 02:58 PM

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Minnie Mike lost me


i bet.


BIGV - 2/5/2020 at 05:57 PM

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You are entitled to see it anyway you like my friend, to me?...Sheer comedy, all of it.


i'm glad you're amused by your secret Hillary plot theory, but i pity the folks who buy into the Hillary scapegoat ploy that Trump offered up on a silver platter. a buddy of mine is a laborer who helps install gas tanks at gas stations, just as his father did. they live a great modest life in rural maryland. i asked them how they could support Trump, and they told me that nobody else ever seemed to give a damn about helping the working class, and Trump's style was refreshing to hear since they felt forgotten. they had no reservation whatsoever admitting to wanting a drastic change. never once did they mention the pathetic silly Hillary ghost. I admired and respected their answer, and had nothing negative to say. there was nothing but honor in that answer. but when i hear successful folks say "but Hillary", i can only roll my eyes and think of my friends from MD.


Amazing how when something "works for you" it's "refreshing" and if the opposite view does not, it is "pitiful" and "pathetic".....I am no longer surprised by anything you write and espouse and have come to expect the "logic" you embrace whenever someone has the audacity to disagree with you.

Don't forget to vote.


porkchopbob - 2/5/2020 at 06:03 PM

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Amazing how when something "works for you" it's "refreshing" and if the opposite view does not, it is "pitiful" and "pathetic".....I am no longer surprised by anything you write and espouse and have come to expect the "logic" you embrace whenever someone has the audacity to disagree with you.


Skydog32103 - 2/5/2020 at 06:30 PM

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Amazing how when something "works for you" it's "refreshing" and if the opposite view does not, it is "pitiful" and "pathetic".....I am no longer surprised by anything you write and espouse and have come to expect the "logic" you embrace whenever someone has the audacity to disagree with you.


i'm just writing my opinion like everyone else here, stop worrying about it so much. all that gibberish above is you just being offended by my opinion - grow up.

and what's with the overuse of quotes? weird.




[Edited on 2/5/2020 by Skydog32103]


BIGV - 2/5/2020 at 07:24 PM

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Amazing how when something "works for you" it's "refreshing" and if the opposite view does not, it is "pitiful" and "pathetic".....I am no longer surprised by anything you write and espouse and have come to expect the "logic" you embrace whenever someone has the audacity to disagree with you.


i'm just writing my opinion like everyone else here, stop worrying about it so much. all that gibberish above is you just being offended by my opinion - grow up.


Worrying?..Hardly. We have now established that one expressing a different opinion is OK. "Offended"?...Not in the least, kinda happy you've finally grasped the concept that other opinions exist.


OriginalGoober - 2/6/2020 at 01:25 AM

So who won?


MartinD28 - 2/6/2020 at 01:47 AM

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So who won?


Trump won, goob. He always wins even when he's not on the ballot. He even wins when he loses. He's the greatest of all times. He is omnipotent. The greatest prez ever. There will never be a prez that will ever be the compassionate, kind, decent, honorable, non-partisan, skilled, Russian hating prez that our Donald is. We are so lucky he has graced us in our lifetimes.


BIGV - 2/6/2020 at 02:31 AM

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So who won?


Not sure anyone really "won"...But Nancy Pelosi sure resembles a loser.


Skydog32103 - 2/6/2020 at 02:45 AM

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But Nancy Pelosi sure resembles a loser.


Luckily sheís only third from the top. can you believe the right chose a loser to be President?


BIGV - 2/6/2020 at 02:49 AM

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But Nancy Pelosi sure resembles a loser.


Luckily sheís only third from the top. can you believe the right chose a loser to be President?


Remind me again please?...Who did he defeat?...I mean just who lost to this loser?


Skydog32103 - 2/6/2020 at 02:56 AM

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Remind me again please?...Who did he defeat?...I mean just who lost to this loser?


Just make your straw argument - donít drag me into it. Pelosi is just Speaker - the right went out of their way to elevate someone way worse than anyone in history and you canít stand that fact. Eat it and own it.


BIGV - 2/6/2020 at 03:06 AM

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Remind me again please?...Who did he defeat?...I mean just who lost to this loser?


Just make your straw argument - donít drag me into it. Pelosi is just Speaker - the right went out of their way to elevate someone way worse than anyone in history and you canít stand that fact. Eat it and own it.


See, it works like this...If somebody says any President is a loser and has been saying this since Election day, I wonder what kind of a loser lost to a "loser"?


Skydog32103 - 2/6/2020 at 03:41 AM

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See, it works like this...If somebody says any President is a loser and has been saying this since Election day, I wonder what kind of a loser lost to a "loser"?


It works like that in your mind maybe, and how sad for you. he asked Russia to hack his opponent on live television. That doesnít make Hillary a loser - it makes her a victim of treason by a piece of trash traitor to the United States.


BIGV - 2/6/2020 at 04:51 AM

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See, it works like this...If somebody says any President is a loser and has been saying this since Election day, I wonder what kind of a loser lost to a "loser"?


It works like that in your mind maybe, and how sad for you. he asked Russia to hack his opponent on live television. That doesnít make Hillary a loser - it makes her a victim of treason by a piece of trash traitor to the United States.


How sad for you that you continue to believe it to be that complicated. She lost to a buffoon.


Stephen - 2/6/2020 at 05:50 AM

Rodney King once asked, ďCanít we all just get along?Ē
Words worth remembering
& they have about as much chance of applying in todayís toxic sludge known as politics, as cell phones in the caveman age

Impchmnt is over, caucuses are over, so should the mudslinging be - before looking ahead, letís try to preface conversation w/Kingís words in mind 1st & 4most - itís called Civil Discourse folks, not Civil War

Donald Trumpís militantly-obsessed Democratic/political enemies will continue to mine the mud zealously hoping to find smear material

Most Americans, however, will in time come to see the trial for what it was - they realize a president has constitutionally-granted executive privilege, ie (as I understand it) a certain degree of autonomy in the conduct of the presidency

Most Americans also pay little attention to the constant hue & cry about his treasonous anti American activities..............& everything else

They may not love the guy, they just believe heís not the undercover traitor/Russian stool pigeon, some insist he is - this I think will be reflected at the polls in November

The state of the union is good & itís time to move forward with the business of the country - President Trumpís enemies will have another shot just nine short months from now

The People Will Speak Then - not misguided politicians like the ones who wasted huge taxpayer money on a trial that always, to me anyway, seemed pretty flimsy - politics as usual

Yes I know, flame away

[Edited on 2/6/2020 by Stephen]


Skydog32103 - 2/6/2020 at 12:26 PM

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She lost to a buffoon.


She sure did....can you believe the right voted for a buffoon to be President? You can hate Hillary all you want - losing to a cheating traitor bully means nothing except that the right chose a cheating traitor bully to be President. This bothers you immensely, otherwise youíd ignore it and stop saying ďbut Hillary, but the DemsĒ.

[Edited on 2/6/2020 by Skydog32103]


OriginalGoober - 2/7/2020 at 10:35 PM



If your election lasts more than 4 days, see your doctor.


BrerRabbit - 2/7/2020 at 11:02 PM

Getting a nice early start on your 2020 gloatfest ?


gotdrumz - 2/7/2020 at 11:11 PM

What is scarier, cheating or incompetence?


Bhawk - 2/8/2020 at 02:39 AM

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Donald Trumpís militantly-obsessed Democratic/political enemies will continue to mine the mud zealously hoping to find smear material


And yet, Donald Trump can say as much vile sót as he wants and you donít care. Sad!


Skydog32103 - 2/8/2020 at 12:36 PM

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Yes I know, flame away


just a nice guy being treated unfairly.

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Impchmnt is over, caucuses are over, so should the mudslinging be - before looking ahead, letís try to preface conversation w/Kingís words in mind 1st & 4most - itís called Civil Discourse folks, not Civil War


lets hold our leader to this standard first, then lets focus on civilians.

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will continue to mine the mud zealously hoping to find smear material


again, lets hold our leader to this standard first, and go after the weaker positions later. deal?

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Most Americans also pay little attention to the constant hue & cry about his treasonous anti American activities..............& everything else


we wish you'd considering trusting the FBI, the CIA, and our war heroes, over a 30-year late night punchline. but go ahead and choose the latter if it makes you proud.


Skydog32103 - 2/8/2020 at 12:41 PM

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What is scarier, cheating or incompetence?


it's hard to choose one over the other since both are dangerous. cheating creates the possibility of foreign infiltration into our government, while incompetence can lead to a lot of staff turnover.


Stephen - 2/8/2020 at 01:57 PM

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Shoot, still preseason & already a controversy- hopefully not reminiscent of the 2000 ďCHADĒ controversy in Florida, altho that was the election not caucuses
- hopefully itís cleared up by next week


Did it ever get it cleared up and a winner declared?
As of Thursday, seemed it was close ďwith most of the votes countedĒ


gotdrumz - 2/8/2020 at 02:42 PM

You'd d figure people with college degrees would write a number on a piece of paper before they picked up a phone? Maybe they'll teach that at free college. Another theory... The rooms had too many straight white men in them and we all know they don't t count, right?

Then you have this... If 100 democrats walk into a gym in Iowa (insert punchline)
or this....Bernie says to himself in Iowa 2020, "My favorite place to have sex, I got screwed here in 2016 too"


Skydog32103 - 2/8/2020 at 06:42 PM

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You'd d figure people with college degrees would write a number on a piece of paper before they picked up a phone? Maybe they'll teach that at free college. Another theory... The rooms had too many straight white men in them and we all know they don't t count, right?

Then you have this... If 100 democrats walk into a gym in Iowa (insert punchline)
or this....Bernie says to himself in Iowa 2020, "My favorite place to have sex, I got screwed here in 2016 too"


why donít you just explain why you donít respect Democrats and liberals too much? might be a better conversation .


BrerRabbit - 2/8/2020 at 06:53 PM

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. . . too many straight white men . . .


There it is.


gotdrumz - 2/9/2020 at 12:11 AM

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why donít you just explain why you donít respect Democrats and liberals too much? might be a better conversation .


Don't respect most Republicans or conservatives either if that is how they define themselves. Way more important aspects to life than stupid political ideology. One side gets ragged on disperportionatly around here, so I'm m just reciprocating. You taking it way too personal shows me that blind allegiance to what you have no control over is textbook example of one who thinks way too much of themselves and exhibits the root of the problem that is the dilemma of our country as of late.


gotdrumz - 2/9/2020 at 12:20 AM

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. . . too many straight white men . . .


There it is.



Nothing wrong with gay white men either

Taking part of ones satire without context, it is easy to make it imply whatever you like.


BrerRabbit - 2/9/2020 at 01:48 AM

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. . .whatever you like.


. . .


Skydog32103 - 2/9/2020 at 02:26 AM

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Don't respect most Republicans or conservatives either if that is how they define themselves. Way more important aspects to life than stupid political ideology. One side gets ragged on disperportionatly around here, so I'm m just reciprocating. You taking it way too personal shows me that blind allegiance to what you have no control over is textbook example of one who thinks way too much of themselves and exhibits the root of the problem that is the dilemma of our country as of late.


Relax, doesnít bother me in the least what you think. I just wanted to get to your point: you are only being proportionate and donít respect people who define themselves with a stupid political ideology. Glad thatís cleared up.


gotdrumz - 2/9/2020 at 12:01 PM

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Relax, doesnít bother me in the least what you think.


Yet you reply to almost everything I post with something contrary to my posisition?


Bhawk - 2/9/2020 at 06:29 PM

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One side gets ragged on disperportionatly around here, so I'm m just reciprocating.


It's really something how this rationalization has been seen here so many times over the years.

If you really believed that taking sides to begin with is politically hypocritical self-righteous BS, then...you wouldn't take a side, no matter how proportionate the banter is or isn't.


BrerRabbit - 2/9/2020 at 07:22 PM

Alamo Syndrome. Me against the ignorant heathen hordes. Ego wank.


Skydog32103 - 2/9/2020 at 09:28 PM

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Yet you reply to almost everything I post with something contrary to my posisition?


itís not the position itself, but rather the disingenuous explanations, such as equating Trump with other politicians, or the Dem/Hillary bashing. my biggest frustration with the whole Trump story is that the right never seems to have a good explanation for such a choice. Everyone knows Hillaryís 40-year track record in Washington does not warrant the reaction Trump created about her. letís just all get real at this point. there shouldnít be anything to hide. what was it that made the right willing to go from great people like Reagan and Bush, to this? seems pretty clear that the right chose Trump to piss off the left, and nothing more. if thatís the case, no judgments - letís discuss what the left did to make the right do something like this. Iím of the belief that the anger is probably justified - the only mistake is the way they went about it.


MartinD28 - 2/10/2020 at 12:11 AM

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Yet you reply to almost everything I post with something contrary to my posisition?


itís not the position itself, but rather the disingenuous explanations, such as equating Trump with other politicians, or the Dem/Hillary bashing. my biggest frustration with the whole Trump story is that the right never seems to have a good explanation for such a choice. Everyone knows Hillaryís 40-year track record in Washington does not warrant the reaction Trump created about her. letís just all get real at this point. there shouldnít be anything to hide. what was it that made the right willing to go from great people like Reagan and Bush, to this? seems pretty clear that the right chose Trump to piss off the left, and nothing more. if thatís the case, no judgments - letís discuss what the left did to make the right do something like this. Iím of the belief that the anger is probably justified - the only mistake is the way they went about it.


The thinking of the MAGA crowd is that Trump > Reagan and Bush. Most probably can't tell you who RR is. They probably think that Trump is even greater than The Rock...wow.


gotdrumz - 2/10/2020 at 02:06 PM

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If you really believed that taking sides to begin with is politically hypocritical self-righteous BS, then...you wouldn't take a side, no matter how proportionate the banter is or isn't.

I
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A person can make fun of something going on and it isn't automatically taking one side or another. You know this has been my position for quite awhile. We've been done this road years ago, had a cordial interchange, and decided to agree to disagree on the matter. You can set your watch to how certain members will react to things on this board, I'm just having fun at the expense of pseudo-intellectual lemmings.


gotdrumz - 2/10/2020 at 02:35 PM

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Alamo Syndrome. Me against the ignorant heathen hordes. Ego wank.


I am having some fun. The behavior here is so predictable. The hive mentality is so fascinating. You can poke around, never knowing if you might get stung a time of two. Yet the ever present possibility of learning something is worth the risk. Accepting that you can be taught by those that fundamentally disagree with you is liberating It is the anecdote to modern day society.


gotdrumz - 2/10/2020 at 02:51 PM

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itís not the position itself, but rather the disingenuous explanations, such as equating Trump with other politicians,.


To some it is genuine, just as genuine as your explanations are to you. The pattern replays itself regardless of who holds the office, much less what party they are affiliated with. How much longer do we continue doing the same thing over and over again? The outcome on the surface appears different, but a little digging reveals it is almost exactly the same thing as before


Stephen - 2/10/2020 at 03:21 PM

Fine posts gotdrumz - every president wears a target on his back, his opponents have said the same thing Trumpís do now - only removal will save the republic - Pete Townsend may have said it best, same olí song w/a new set of words


A tongue in cheek why-not-try-some-fun thread was started elsewhere recently about President Trump - it just brought out meanness in reply - yet as you said, a few posts, as looney as I think they are.....sometimes you can learn something constructive

A quick change to topic - did they ever complete counting in the Iowa caucuses - I never heard a definitive outcome - probably moot/impertinent w/primaries starting tmrw

Sincere best wishes to all candidates as they hit the campaign trail

[Edited on 2/10/2020 by Stephen]


gotdrumz - 2/10/2020 at 03:36 PM

What I find most interesting is something happened in Iowa right?

I made some jokes about it
Which cued some to focus on that other faction (classic deflection)
and the sound of crickets permeates the Whipping Post?

If the corporate propaganda machines had mentioned a partisan perpetrator,.....this place would be humming


BIGV - 2/10/2020 at 03:39 PM

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The behavior here is so predictable. The hive mentality is so fascinating.


Makes me wonder in which direction the hatred for the President will be channeled now, I mean with the impeachment debacle ending in failure.

Give it time, they'll find something.



Skydog32103 - 2/10/2020 at 03:42 PM

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itís not the position itself, but rather the disingenuous explanations, such as equating Trump with other politicians


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To some it is genuine


how can he be equated to other politicians while also being the drain the swamp guy, refreshing new tough speaking style, who would blow up Washington? if you are saying you are not among them, fine, but if the right cannot explain the rationale for my above question, then we have a right to question the true motives of choosing him.

in the meantime, one who votes for Trump shouldnít be complaining about hostility since they invited it into all of our homes. letís be honest about whatís going to happen: whether fair or unfair, do you think Trump supporters will get any sympathy or be taken seriously when they complain about hostility? They went out of their way to choose it. Thatís why I believe Trump is terroristic in many ways - not towards liberals, but towards his own people. his voters will have a tough time with reputation once heís gone.


gotdrumz - 2/10/2020 at 03:50 PM

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Give it time, they'll find something.





The topic of this thread should give political junkies a fix, oh yeah recourse is always a partisan thing why expect a finger to be pointed at or by those that can't even laugh at themselves?


BIGV - 2/10/2020 at 03:52 PM

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A person can make fun of something going on and it isn't automatically taking one side or another.



Unless you find the actions of The Democratic Party leadership sincerely "humorous"...

Then, you are being "hostile" towards a group and well, that is just not very tolerant.


Skydog32103 - 2/10/2020 at 03:58 PM

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Makes me wonder in which direction the hatred for the President will be channeled now, I mean with the impeachment debacle ending in failure.

Give it time, they'll find something.


you did call him a loser buffoon.


BrerRabbit - 2/10/2020 at 04:02 PM

Hey alright, an above-it-all buttlick daisychain! WhooHoo!


Skydog32103 - 2/10/2020 at 04:03 PM

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it just brought out meanness in reply


is this a problem for you Stephen?


gotdrumz - 2/10/2020 at 04:04 PM

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the right cannot explain the rationale for my above question, then we have a right to question the true motives of choosing him.



I don't see you accepting any rationale that doesn't fit into your preconceived notions of those on the right, mileage may vary. Your logic fallacy lies within believing those on the right were solely responsible for electing him.


gotdrumz - 2/10/2020 at 04:13 PM

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Hey alright, an above-it-all buttlick daisychain! WhooHoo!



Now that was funny!

You can join in! Today I identify as an anus-less geometricphobe, so I can't call where you can put your tongue or the position we will be in?


Skydog32103 - 2/10/2020 at 04:14 PM

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how can he be equated to other politicians while also being the drain the swamp guy, refreshing new tough speaking style, who would blow up Washington?


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I don't see you accepting any rationale that doesn't fit into your preconceived notions of those on the right


my earlier argument was that we never get a good explanation, and based on the above, I was right. The dodging and running is exactly what Iím talking about.




[Edited on 2/10/2020 by Skydog32103]


BrerRabbit - 2/10/2020 at 04:17 PM

Despite your transparent mind game you will vote Redhat of course. Above it all, nothing but disdain for everyone, looking down on all the lemmings, until you step into the booth in November and fellate your secret Redhat master.


BIGV - 2/10/2020 at 04:31 PM

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Makes me wonder in which direction the hatred for the President will be channeled now, I mean with the impeachment debacle ending in failure.

Give it time, they'll find something.


you did call him a loser buffoon.


I did, because ultimately, he is just like all politicians who've preceded him. Even the biggest losers can win. But my point will always be, who this loser defeated. And it makes the left's head scratching, directionless meandering no less entertaining and I love it.


Skydog32103 - 2/10/2020 at 04:38 PM

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you did call him a loser buffoon.


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I did, because ultimately, he is just like all politicians who've preceded him.


you think Washington, Lincoln, Truman, Roosevelt, Reagan, and Bush are buffoon losers? Not me.

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But my point will always be, who this loser defeated. And it makes the left's head scratching, directionless meandering no less entertaining and I love it.


interesting perspective - I donít think the left is confused about how she lost at all.




[Edited on 2/10/2020 by Skydog32103]


BIGV - 2/10/2020 at 04:43 PM

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you think Washington, Lincoln, Truman, Roosevelt, Reagan, and Bush are buffoon losers? Not me.


You may not and this is fine, but look through history and it will not take you long to find that every president has its detractors who will stop at nothing to prove their point.

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I donít think the left is confused about how she lost at all.


I agree. They will find anyone, anything and everyone to blame ...except for Hillary


Skydog32103 - 2/10/2020 at 05:22 PM

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every president has its detractors


you think Washington, Lincoln, Truman, Roosevelt, Reagan, and Bush are buffoon losers?


BrerRabbit - 2/10/2020 at 05:30 PM

Damn . . . hey Goober, we need an honest Trump supporter in here! Your stealth Redhat cronies here are driving us crazy - they will say anything to avoid responsibility for supporting Trump.

All politicians are bad and Trump is just another one, what a crock. Just say you are for Trump and spare us all your pretzel chickenshitistics.


gotdrumz - 2/10/2020 at 06:15 PM

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Despite your transparent mind game you will vote Redhat of course. Above it all, nothing but disdain for everyone, looking down on all the lemmings, until you step into the booth in November and fellate your secret Redhat master.


I wasn't able to vote until 2004, when California gave convicted felons back the right to do so. I voted for Bush he turned out to be a warmonger. 2008, I voted Obama. He turned out to be the same thing. Didn't vote for President in 12 or 16, due to my disdain of politics at the federal level. I voted for a Democrat governor here in Montana, where I 'be loved since 2010. Don't vote for federal representives, congress/Senate don't give a crap bout anything but power and $. On the local level, I vote R, D, and I. Based on individual merit and benefit to the community. People who vote along party lines are scary. The arrogance in that mentality mirrors racism and fascism. It negates another opinion before taking any time to even consider possibilities.


gotdrumz - 2/10/2020 at 06:33 PM

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my earlier argument was that we never get a good explanation, and based on the above, I was right. The dodging and running is exactly what Iím talking about.


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I am not on the right so I can't t give an explanation, much less dodge or run from anything. We all have preconceived notions, some allow it to limit the ability to do things like compromise or respond in a pro-social manner. While others use it to justify an emotional reaction, to what they disagree with. Myself, I try to use them as starting point. Look at all other perspectives, get as much info as possible, communicate with those that agree/disagree with me, and hopefully learn from the experience.


Skydog32103 - 2/10/2020 at 06:55 PM

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Myself, I try to use them as starting point. Look at all other perspectives, get as much info as possible, communicate with those that agree/disagree with me, and hopefully learn from the experience.


I believe it, but Iím not so sure youíve demonstrated that in this thread. you have been railing right along with us. Trump campaigned to prove he is not like any other previous candidate, hence draining the swamp, and hence his tough style. How can he be unique enough to blow up the system, but also the same as anyone else? Certainly you can see the contradiction.


BrerRabbit - 2/10/2020 at 07:18 PM

I get your point - thanks for the clarification. In my higher self I'm an anarchist with an ideal of individual fairness and responsibility. In practice I am an American consumer who votes, even tho it is mostly bullsh!t. And I don't hold disdain or disrespect for folks who take it seriously. Sure I might laugh and be an @sshole, but respect is paramount.

Your aloof disdain is bitter vanity - you aren't an outsider you are a f*cked up idiot like the rest of us.

You are bringing a condemnation of politics itself into it - that is purely metaphysical. It creates a vacuum for apologists and closet Redhats to support their position without taking responsibility..

So you are taking a side.



BIGV - 2/10/2020 at 07:41 PM

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every president has its detractors


you think Washington, Lincoln, Truman, Roosevelt, Reagan, and Bush are buffoon losers?


From the group listed above?..I would say that both Presidents' Bush were buffoons.


BrerRabbit - 2/10/2020 at 07:53 PM

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. . .anus-less geometricphobe . . .


You are now my guru.


BrerRabbit - 2/10/2020 at 07:58 PM

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. . .both Presidents' Bush were buffoons.


GW struck me as a buffoon. Bush Sr was an evil genius, top spook.


gotdrumz - 2/10/2020 at 08:22 PM

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Your aloof disdain is bitter vanity - you aren't an outsider you are a f*cked up idiot like the rest of us.





Totally agree, though I can,' t place the quote. Here is mine, "We all strive to be individuals, failing to realize that the best and the worst in others is what makes who we are"


BrerRabbit - 2/10/2020 at 08:29 PM

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Totally agree, though I can,' t place the quote. Here is mine, "We all strive to be individuals, failing to realize that the best and the worst in others is what makes who we are"


I made it up. Pretty good huh? Yours is good, but I need to think about it - you make that up? Sounds like some Nietzsche mindtwister. One of those where you can't agree or not agree without being an @sshole either way.


Stephen - 2/10/2020 at 08:31 PM

If that quote reflects the aloof disdain and bitter vanity of a f**ked up idiot, Iíll eat my hat - to each their own, as the saying goes


BrerRabbit - 2/10/2020 at 09:06 PM

I don't know - I get it, and it is important to see our collective self - still it seems to be a kick in the @ss to individualism. I am more of the Ayn Rand school, even though I did say we are all f*cked up idiots - I am a stone individualist. Rand is pretty harsh tho.

"To be free, a man must be free of his brothers. That is freedom. This and nothing else."

Ayn Rand, Anthem

Still cogitating . will be chewing on that for a while


gotdrumz - 2/10/2020 at 09:44 PM

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You are bringing a condemnation of politics itself into it - that is purely metaphysical. It creates a vacuum for apologists and closet Redhats to support their position without taking responsibility..

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I have no control over what others think so or say about anything. Don't trip on it either. I see accountability as an action and not just someone opening the mouth and speaking.

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So you are taking a side.

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Yeah my side! It works for me more often than not cause I've lived it. Been a process & a hell of a ride


gotdrumz - 2/10/2020 at 10:02 PM

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I don't know - I get it, and it is important to see our collective self - still it seems to be a kick in the @ss to individualism. I am more of the Ayn Rand school, even though I did say we are all f*cked up idiots - I am a stone individualist. Rand is pretty harsh tho.

"To be free, a man must be free of his brothers. That is freedom. This and nothing else."

Ayn Rand, Anthem

Still cogitating . will be chewing on that for a while




When teaching myself to play Rush songs in the 70's, I researched and discovered her in Peart's lyrics.

Here is my take on it... "Individualism succeeds best within the mind,. The catalyst for self-discovery is not limited by, confined to,, or assimilated by outside influence unless by choice".


BrerRabbit - 2/10/2020 at 10:04 PM

Doesn't matter. Nothing can follow "anusless geometriphobe" so our work is done here. I will never forget that post. Permanent damage. Well done.


BrerRabbit - 2/10/2020 at 10:07 PM

Wasn't 2112 loosely based on Anthem? Yeah, so I love Ayn Rand on the idea level, but I would hate to have her watching my back in a firefight.

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gotdrumz - 2/10/2020 at 10:14 PM

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I believe it, but Iím not so sure youíve demonstrated that in this thread. you have been railing right along with us. Trump campaigned to prove he is not like any other previous candidate, hence draining the swamp, and hence his tough style. How can he be unique enough to blow up the system, but also the same as anyone else? Certainly you can see the contradiction.


I believe the office of the President is just a puppet. Have no idea exactly who, so what exactly gets drained and by whom? To me there is no contradiction, those in DC care solely about $ and power, this the same.


Skydog32103 - 2/10/2020 at 11:10 PM

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From the group listed above?..I would say that both Presidents' Bush were buffoons.


understandable point of view...which means then that Trump is not like any typical politician preceding him. very few were buffoons.


BIGV - 2/10/2020 at 11:39 PM

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From the group listed above?..I would say that both Presidents' Bush were buffoons.


understandable point of view...which means then that Trump is not like any typical politician preceding him. very few were buffoons.


Yep, that's exactly what it means, together we have not only thoroughly researched but proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that your statement above is factually veracious.

Thanks!


Skydog32103 - 2/10/2020 at 11:57 PM

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understandable point of view...which means then that Trump is not like any typical politician preceding him. very few were buffoons.


Yep, that's exactly what it means, together we have not only thoroughly researched but proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that your statement above is factually veracious.

Thanks!


glad we can eliminate that defense then. so for you it's because Hillary would have been worse for America?


BIGV - 2/11/2020 at 12:10 AM

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so for you it's because Hillary would have been worse for America?


Absolutely. And I need not nor wish to explain why.


Skydog32103 - 2/11/2020 at 12:56 AM

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Absolutely. And I need not nor wish to explain why.


i bet.


BrerRabbit - 2/11/2020 at 01:33 AM

Whew! close one. Glad I didnt get quoted before deleting. Wrong, just wrong.


OriginalGoober - 2/11/2020 at 01:35 AM

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Despite your transparent mind game you will vote Redhat of course. Above it all, nothing but disdain for everyone, looking down on all the lemmings, until you step into the booth in November and fellate your secret Redhat master.


USA! USA! USA!


BrerRabbit - 2/11/2020 at 01:41 AM

At least Goober is up front about it. I can respect that. No stealth vote for Trump after climbing down from his Libertarian high horse.


Skydog32103 - 2/11/2020 at 05:15 PM

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At least Goober is up front about it. I can respect that. No stealth vote for Trump after climbing down from his Libertarian high horse.


100% agree. I wish heíd post more often. He likes Trump for President, and makes no excuse for it. I respect that honesty and confidence in their position. and when i challenged the forum to show one good reason to vote for him, he submitted a list when nobody else would.

originalgoober, weíve discredited the defense of ďTrump is no different than previous Presidents.Ē so what are your thoughts as to why Hillary would have been worse than a guy asking Americans to distrust U.S. law enforcement, intelligence, and our courts, while asking foreign governments to attack Americans? in your opinion, what would she have done that you consider to be worse than that?


MartinD28 - 2/11/2020 at 06:52 PM

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At least Goober is up front about it. I can respect that. No stealth vote for Trump after climbing down from his Libertarian high horse.


100% agree. I wish heíd post more often. He likes Trump for President, and makes no excuse for it. I respect that honesty and confidence in their position. and when i challenged the forum to show one good reason to vote for him, he submitted a list when nobody else would.

originalgoober, weíve discredited the defense of ďTrump is no different than previous Presidents.Ē so what are your thoughts as to why Hillary would have been worse than a guy asking Americans to distrust U.S. law enforcement, intelligence, and our courts, while asking foreign governments to attack Americans? in your opinion, what would she have done that you consider to be worse than that?


If you're expecting an answer from goob, good luck with that. He answers maybe 1 in 100 questions addressed to him.

Maybe this will make him stand up & answer.


PhotoRon286 - 2/11/2020 at 08:35 PM

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At least Goober is up front about it. I can respect that. No stealth vote for Trump after climbing down from his Libertarian high horse.


100% agree. I wish heíd post more often. He likes Trump for President, and makes no excuse for it. I respect that honesty and confidence in their position. and when i challenged the forum to show one good reason to vote for him, he submitted a list when nobody else would.

originalgoober, weíve discredited the defense of ďTrump is no different than previous Presidents.Ē so what are your thoughts as to why Hillary would have been worse than a guy asking Americans to distrust U.S. law enforcement, intelligence, and our courts, while asking foreign governments to attack Americans? in your opinion, what would she have done that you consider to be worse than that?


If you're expecting an answer from goob, good luck with that. He answers maybe 1 in 100 questions addressed to him.

Maybe this will make him stand up & answer.


This is the LAST question I would ever expect him to field as that one in a hundred.


gotdrumz - 2/12/2020 at 03:00 PM

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, weíve discredited the defense of ďTrump is no different than previous Presidents.Ē




You should go work for one of the corporate propaganda media outlets. I made a blanket statement about politicians in DC ($ and power) Most of Trumps detractors call him fascist (power) and/or using the office for personal financial gain ($) See a pattern? Being I never mention him, how is that deemed a "defense"? You didn't prove my power and money statement about DC politicians wrong, or what I mentioned above about Trumps detractors... So what exactly was "discredited" ?


Skydog32103 - 2/12/2020 at 04:09 PM

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Ēweíve discredited the defense of ďTrump is no different than previous Presidents.Ē


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You should go work for one of the corporate propaganda media outlets. I made a blanket statement about politicians in DC ($ and power) Most of Trumps detractors call him fascist (power) and/or using the office for personal financial gain ($) See a pattern? Being I never mention him, how is that deemed a "defense"? You didn't prove my power and money statement about DC politicians wrong, or what I mentioned above about Trumps detractors... So what exactly was "discredited" ?


i was referring to the general argument that I hear from many who support Trump for President, not you. in my lifetime, no president has ever been trashy, ignorant, and hostile. if you and Stephen want to paint them as such, go right ahead, I donít care.


BIGV - 2/12/2020 at 04:20 PM

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i was referring to the general argument that I hear from many who support Trump for President, not you. in my lifetime, no president has ever been trashy, ignorant, and hostile. if you and Stephen want to paint them as such, go right ahead, I donít care.


"In my lifetime". Roughly translated: "It could not have possibly existed before"!

You are quite the Historian. lol


Skydog32103 - 2/12/2020 at 04:49 PM

never a denial.


BrerRabbit - 2/12/2020 at 04:57 PM

Never a denial nothing, man they are loving every minute of it. Redhats = Brownshirts, same arrogant hostile ignorant swagger. John Wayne with a swastika.




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Bhawk - 2/12/2020 at 11:28 PM

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If you really believed that taking sides to begin with is politically hypocritical self-righteous BS, then...you wouldn't take a side, no matter how proportionate the banter is or isn't.

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A person can make fun of something going on and it isn't automatically taking one side or another. You know this has been my position for quite awhile. We've been done this road years ago, had a cordial interchange, and decided to agree to disagree on the matter. You can set your watch to how certain members will react to things on this board, I'm just having fun at the expense of pseudo-intellectual lemmings.




I'm Jerry.

My contention to your notion is the same as it's always been.

If you dismiss everyone in the political arena as "all the same," then you must then excuse any and all actions carried out by anyone, and there is no sense of right and wrong.

If, say, a politician commits a murder, your notion then logically states that all politicians are murderers, or at the very least, are to be regarded as such, because, after all, they're all the same.

I still don't think that notion holds.


Bhawk - 2/12/2020 at 11:29 PM

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i was referring to the general argument that I hear from many who support Trump for President, not you. in my lifetime, no president has ever been trashy, ignorant, and hostile. if you and Stephen want to paint them as such, go right ahead, I donít care.


"In my lifetime". Roughly translated: "It could not have possibly existed before"!

You are quite the Historian. lol


Which past President would you compare Trump to?


BrerRabbit - 2/13/2020 at 12:15 AM



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Which past President would you compare Trump to?


Andrew Johnson
Woodrow Wilson

Other than these guys had brains and weren't mouthbreathing senile morons, there are some similarities


gotdrumz - 2/13/2020 at 02:22 PM

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I'm Jerry.

My contention to your notion is the same as it's always been.

If you dismiss everyone in the political arena as "all the same," then you must then excuse any and all actions carried out by anyone, and there is no sense of right and wrong.

If, say, a politician commits a murder, your notion then logically states that all politicians are murderers, or at the very least, are to be regarded as such, because, after all, they're all the same.

I still don't think that notion holds.


The correct context of my opinion regarding "politicians in DC being the same" refers to power and money being all they care about.

Your excusing all Actions statement doesn't make any sense, I can say all gangbangers in. LA are the same..They just care about power through violence and money from drugs. So that automatically makes me excuse their actions cause I have no sense of right and wrong? That is pretty weak.

The murder by one makes them all murderers doesn't apply cause I've never stated they were all the same regarding everything. Anyone with common sense would never say that. After all they are different genders, race, age height, weight, eye color, hair color, political party, from different districts, states, married, single, gay, straight, children, no children, drive a car, take a train , fly, pro-choice, pro-life, gun owner, gun control, and it goes on and on None of that changes my opinion.


Skydog32103 - 2/13/2020 at 03:27 PM

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How can he be unique enough to blow up the system, but also the same as anyone else? Certainly you can see the contradiction.


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I believe the office of the President is just a puppet. Have no idea exactly who, so what exactly gets drained and by whom? To me there is no contradiction


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The correct context of my opinion regarding "politicians in DC being the same" refers to power and money being all they care about.

I've never stated they were all the same regarding everything.


in other words, it's the first time any of us have ever seen a President of the United States regularly attack and harrass fellow Americans, sow distrust towards our federal law enforcement, intelligence, and courts, all while praising foreign adversaries. once again, there's never a denial about this. therefore, the point about Trump sharing common traits of past Presidents is merely an attempt to move the focus in a different direction. but why? imagine you are a GM of a big company. you hire someone with a strong track record of sales success, but a bit of an arrogant loose cannon. you take the risk and hire him anyway. after a year, he commits fraud and sexually harrasses several employees, which leads to multiple lawsuits, federal mandates, and massive fines. now imagine being called into the CEO's office where you have to explain it all to him and the board of directors. it would be the longest and tougest walk of shame in your life. some Trump supporters refuse to take this walk. this is why they say "...but they are actually all the same", "but Hillary", "but the (normal) economy".



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gotdrumz - 2/13/2020 at 04:02 PM

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n other words, it's the first time any of us have ever seen a President of the United States regularly attack and harrass fellow Americans, sow distrust towards our federal law enforcement, intelligence, and courts, all while praising foreign adversaries. once again, there's never a denial about this. therefore, the point about Trump sharing common traits of past Presidents is merely an attempt to move the focus in a different direction. but why? imagine you are a GM of a big company. you hire someone with a strong track record of sales success, but a bit of an arrogant loose cannon. you take the risk and hire him anyway. after a year, he commits fraud and sexually harrasses several employees, which leads to multiple lawsuits, federal mandates, and massive fines. now imagine being called into the CEO's office where you have to explain it all to him and the board of directors. it would be the longest and tougest walk of shame in your life. some Trump supporters refuse to take this walk. this is why they say "...but they are actually all the same", "but Hillary", "but the (normal) economy".



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That is your perspective, on things, some will agree, others won't. Why care about what supporters of someone does or doesn't do? You have no control over that and yelling/screaming "you're wrong" is proven to be the worst possible way to change someone's mind.


Skydog32103 - 2/13/2020 at 04:39 PM

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Why care about what supporters of someone does or doesn't do? You have no control over that and yelling/screaming "you're wrong" is proven to be the worst possible way to change someone's mind.


it's just a debate topic, nothing more, so relax a little. i'm posing a topic for discussion: if the right was concerned about the direction of the country, what made them think that choosing a hostile buffoon was the solution to restoring it back to greatness?


gotdrumz - 2/13/2020 at 06:38 PM

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it's just a debate topic, nothing more, so relax a little. i'm posing a topic for discussion: if the right was concerned about the direction of the country, what made them think that choosing a hostile buffoon was the solution to restoring it back to greatness?




Do you have a patent on the term "relax" or something? The frequency of its usage makes it seem you get monetary compensation Usually when inquiring about why a particular group thinks or does something,, the smart move would be to ask them? For some insane reason, you continue to ask me why the "right" does or doesn't do something. It's like me saying, "I have never took a vacation out of the USA besides a few trips to Ireland" and you come and ask me" why do people who vacation in Mexico don't worry about being kidnapped "?

If I was to guess "why"? I'd factor in the empirical evidence that Independents and Reagan Democrats also voted the "hostile buffoon" into Office. The finger points in more than one direction. Also, the possibility exists that the policies of the previous ruling party contributed to the concept of try something "different" . Of course, it's just speculation on my part. I'm just a dumb @$$ biker.


Skydog32103 - 2/13/2020 at 07:55 PM

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the possibility exists that the policies of the previous ruling party contributed to the concept of try something "different"


the anti-Obama crowd banded together to elect a buffoon to terrorize our federal law enforcement and decorated war heroes? they sound like a nice bunch.


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