Thread: Hunter Biden GOP Presidential Nominee?

adhill58 - 1/29/2020 at 04:23 AM

How many right-wingers voted for George W. Bush? Wasn’t he the son of a Vice President who made millions in oil and gas?

I am not really defending Hunter Biden, but this is the guy the Republicans nominated and elected last time they won. Are we supposed to believe he was an expert? His last name had nothing to do with his employment prior to his political ascent?


goldtop - 1/29/2020 at 04:42 AM

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How many right-wingers voted for George W. Bush? Wasn’t he the son of a Vice President who made millions in oil and gas?

I am not really defending Hunter Biden, but this is the guy the Republicans nominated and elected last time they won. Are we supposed to believe he was an expert? His last name had nothing to do with his employment prior to his political ascent?


Geez yesterday I thought he was already president because it sounded like they were impeaching him...

It's all a distraction from the facts something *tRump has never had to deal with in his life or the consequences of lying. Now he's at a place where he doesn't have the skill set to deal with it.


adhill58 - 1/29/2020 at 05:39 AM

It goes back to the idea that both parties have their hangers-on and clowns, but only Republicans want to elect them as President. ( Or Governor of Texas and maybe Florida.)


Jerry - 1/29/2020 at 06:48 AM

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It goes back to the idea that both parties have their hangers-on and clowns, but only Republicans want to elect them as President. ( Or Governor of Texas and maybe Florida.)


Just as long as we didn't get Hillary. A lot of Dems must have thought so too since they voted for Trump.


adhill58 - 1/29/2020 at 01:28 PM

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It goes back to the idea that both parties have their hangers-on and clowns, but only Republicans want to elect them as President. ( Or Governor of Texas and maybe Florida.)


Just as long as we didn't get Hillary. A lot of Dems must have thought so too since they voted for Trump.


Try to stay focused, Jerry. The topic is whether or not the Republicans really think an adult child of a Vice President making millions from crony business dealings is the worst thing ever, as they seem to be saying right now. (Pam Bondi's "incrimination" of Hunter Biden during the impeachment hearing sounded more like a scary bedtime story than something that might have actually been spoken in court.)

I get that voting for a woman was where a lot of you guys draw a line in the sand, but Hillary Clinton is pretty irrelevant to this thread. She was not on the ballot in 2000 when Republicans nominated and voted for the son of a former Vice President with shady business dealings and a history of cocaine and alcohol abuse.

This is a CNN article from 1999:
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Bush as businessman
How the Texas governor made his millions
Brooks Jackson/CNN
May 13, 1999
Web posted at: 6:00 p.m. EDT (2200 GMT)

ARLINGTON, Texas (May 13) -- In Austin, Texas, not everyone admires Gov. George W. Bush.

Radio host Jim Hightower is one such Bush critic. "He says he's a compassionate conservative," Hightower said. "I say he's a crony capitalist."

"Crony capitalist?" Maybe. Multi-millionaire? Certainly.

Bush started in the Texas oil business, after Yale University and Harvard Business School. Wealthy family friends and others invested millions with him, but with poor results. A 1985 disclosure shows Bush's track record: Investors got back only 45 cents on the dollar, but few complained.

Investors also got tax deductions averaging more than 80 cents on every dollar invested. Those early Bush ventures were mainly tax shelters.

When his father was president, there were suspicions that the Persian Gulf nation of Bahrain tried to enrich the younger Bush. Bahrain granted an exclusive drilling contract to Harken Energy Corporation, in which the younger Bush held stock. But he says he opposed the deal.

Bush spokesperson Karen Hughes says, "He felt the company just was not large enough, that it was outside the scope of their experience." And the deal turned out to be a loser, abandoned after two expensive dry holes.

In 1990 Bush unloaded most of his Harken shares for $835,000 about two months before Harken announced a big loss. That triggered an investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission into possible insider trading by Bush, but the SEC took no action.

A look at Harken's stock price may show why: Bush sold for $4 a share. Harken stock did dip to $2.38 the day after the bad earnings were released, but four days later bounced right back to $4 a share, exactly what Bush had been paid.

And the stock kept rising: Bush attorney Robert Jordan said, "A year later, in fact, the value had doubled to $8 a share."

So Bush could have done much better if he had waited.

Bush did not make his fortune in the oil fields. He made it at a major-league ball park heavily subsidized by taxpayers.

Bush takes credit for conceiving The Ballpark at Arlington, home of the Texas Rangers baseball team, which he bought in 1989 with a wealthy group of investors. Among them: billionaire Richard Rainwater of Fort Worth.

Bush invested just over $600,000, but Arlington taxpayers invested a lot more.

"It was $135 million worth of sales tax money," said attorney Glenn Sodd. "The city donated a good bit of land to the project. They got a sales tax exemption on all the items that were purchased for the stadium. We have a property tax in Texas and they were given as part of the deal a property tax exemption." A total of at least $200 million, according to Sodd.

And there's more: Sodd sued the Rangers on behalf of two families whose property was seized for stadium parking. A jury found they were paid about one-seventh of what the land was worth.

But the Rangers defend the deal.

"Basically, what we think we did was to create a model public-private partnership in which both sides came out ahead," said Bush partner and Rangers President Tom Schieffer.

Bush declined to be interviewed, but Schieffer says taxpayers got their money's worth.

"That's what we have always said in this process: 'If this wasn't good for Arlington, don't do it.' And that's the way we took it to the voters," Schieffer said. "We said, 'This is going to be good for the Rangers, no question about it. This is going to be good for us. But if it's not going to be good for you, don't do it.'"

The team threatened to move, and Arlington taxpayers voted in a half-cent increase in the sales tax. The vote was 2-to-1.

The new, subsidized stadium turned out to be a great deal for Bush. He was the most visible partner, and the publicity helped launch him into the governorship in 1994. And when the team was sold last year Bush's share came to at least $14.9 million with perhaps another $1 million or $2 million still to come.

Jim Runzheimer is one Arlington resident who opposed the deal.

"He put $600,000 into this project and he did a little bit better than Hillary Clinton," Runzheimer said. "She only made ... $100,000 or $200,000, from her dealing in commodities. Gov. Bush has made $15 million."

Fans love the stadium. And the team has flourished financially.

"Looking at it from the perspective of a businessman, this was an awfully sweet deal for the business," said Sodd. "Looking at it as a public official, we think it's lousy policy to use government money to subsidize billionaires in the pursuit of their business interests."

So Bush the businessman did prosper. But not by his bootstraps -- with help from wealthy friends and taxpayer subsidies.

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Skydog32103 - 1/29/2020 at 02:10 PM

gotta love the fake Hillary outrage. the phony hatred, the phony act of how horrible it would’ve been, is all one big preemptive projection of yourselves. y’all have no idea why you dislike her. so sad to watch grown men act this way.


BrerRabbit - 1/29/2020 at 05:10 PM

Lets face it America just isnt ready for a PILF


PhotoRon286 - 1/29/2020 at 07:03 PM

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Lets face it America just isnt ready for a PILF


AOC isn't old enough to run yet.


nebish - 1/29/2020 at 07:13 PM

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Lets face it America just isnt ready for a PILF


AOC isn't old enough to run yet.


I don't know what PILF stands for, but AOC is doing her best for Bernie right now though.


Skydog32103 - 1/29/2020 at 07:35 PM

while I may agree with some of her messages, I think AOC’s confrontational style makes her unfit to be President. leaders need to be better than that, and they need to demonstrate problem-solving skills, and not just blast away with criticism - any idiot can do that.


Skydog32103 - 1/29/2020 at 07:44 PM

I’ve asked many times before, hoping to get an answer......if Trump knew the Bidens were corrupt, why not have THE UNITED STATES investigate him? Why ask a foreign country to do our job?

Any Trump supporters care to answer this one?


adhill58 - 1/29/2020 at 08:20 PM

Also, could any Republican fans tell us if there is any major difference between George W. Bush's business dealings as the son of a high ranking U.S. official and those of Hunter Biden?


nebish - 1/29/2020 at 08:46 PM

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I’ve asked many times before, hoping to get an answer......if Trump knew the Bidens were corrupt, why not have THE UNITED STATES investigate him? Why ask a foreign country to do our job?

Any Trump supporters care to answer this one?


I'm not that active here right now, but do know that this exact question was posed in one of the threads. I and one or two others responded similarly. Which was, from 'their' point of view, they could say that US investigators would probably cover up for Biden and not be a credible and believable investigation (as if somehow a foreign one would be, especially if pressured - I know, just saying. You can almost hear Trump saying that, after all, he doesn't believe what the FBI or other agencies or individuals tell him, or he selectively believes it.


MartinD28 - 1/29/2020 at 11:46 PM

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I’ve asked many times before, hoping to get an answer......if Trump knew the Bidens were corrupt, why not have THE UNITED STATES investigate him? Why ask a foreign country to do our job?

Any Trump supporters care to answer this one?


I'm not that active here right now, but do know that this exact question was posed in one of the threads. I and one or two others responded similarly. Which was, from 'their' point of view, they could say that US investigators would probably cover up for Biden and not be a credible and believable investigation (as if somehow a foreign one would be, especially if pressured - I know, just saying. You can almost hear Trump saying that, after all, he doesn't believe what the FBI or other agencies or individuals tell him, or he selectively believes it.


That would be the typical deep state beliefs advanced from Trump anytime facts of his corruption and wrongdoing get close to him. On the other hand, the irony here is that it appears the GOP Senate is truly doing a coverup for Trump on his impeachment. No witnesses allowed is unprecedented, and this process therefore lacks credibility. 75% of the American public wants witnesses, but the GOP senators instead stroke Trump's balls and run for the hills.


BrerRabbit - 1/30/2020 at 12:01 AM

Fascist coup. Back in the Back in the USSA! You dont know how lucky you are boy


adhill58 - 1/30/2020 at 03:38 AM

“The Ukraine girls really knock me out, they leave the West behind...”


BrerRabbit - 1/30/2020 at 05:00 AM

lol

Show me round your Smoky Mountains way down south
Take me to your trailer park
Let me hear your bro country ringin out
Come and keep your Redhat warm

Back in the USSA! WHOOHOO!!!!


adhill58 - 1/30/2020 at 05:14 AM

“The Moscow girls get paid to pee and shout... And Joe Biden’s on my mi...mi...mind”


BrerRabbit - 1/30/2020 at 06:12 AM

Been filthy rich so long I hardly know the place
Gee its good to be in Rome
Leave it to the Senate to dismiss my case
Cuz I said nothin on the phone

Back in the US Back in the USSA!!!


Jerry - 1/31/2020 at 08:04 PM

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It goes back to the idea that both parties have their hangers-on and clowns, but only Republicans want to elect them as President. ( Or Governor of Texas and maybe Florida.)


Just as long as we didn't get Hillary. A lot of Dems must have thought so too since they voted for Trump.


Try to stay focused, Jerry.
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But I am focused. Hillary, even if elected, would have to be described as "Not my president."
Did not agree with most of her proposed policies and actions.
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I get that voting for a woman was where a lot of you guys draw a line in the sand, but Hillary Clinton is pretty irrelevant to this thread.
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I always thought of Hillary as a clown, thus my post about her. Woman president, I'd vote for Candace Owens in a minute. Would you?


Skydog32103 - 1/31/2020 at 08:53 PM

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I'd vote for Candace Owens in a minute. Would you?


never in a million years. she never even attended law school. nor has she any experience running a municipality on any level. i could never put our country in the hands of someone who has no track record of showing interest or understanding the law and the Constitution. not only that, she seems easily bothered by everything. show me a modern day Reagan and he's got my vote.


Jerry - 1/31/2020 at 09:05 PM

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I'd vote for Candace Owens in a minute. Would you?


never in a million years. she never even attended law school. nor has she any experience running a municipality on any level. i could never put our country in the hands of someone who has no track record of showing interest or understanding the law and the Constitution. not only that, she seems easily bothered by everything. show me a modern day Reagan and he's got my vote.




How many presidents have not had law degrees or previous political experience?


adhill58 - 1/31/2020 at 09:26 PM

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I'd vote for Candace Owens in a minute. Would you?





I am going to have to say that the "totally unexperienced and unqualified outsider who tells it like it is" experiment has crashed and burned pretty spectacularly, so I will pass on Candace Owens.

On your last question, I am not sure about who has been through law school, but there has been exactly one who never served in the military or never held a previous public office.


Jerry - 1/31/2020 at 09:42 PM






there has been exactly one who never served in the military or never held a previous public office.


How did military service get in there?


Jerry - 1/31/2020 at 09:46 PM



I am going to have to say that the "totally inexperienced and unqualified outsider who tells it like it is" experiment has crashed and burned pretty spectacularly,.


Does that mean you would not vote for Hunter Biden, or actually anybody that has never held political office running for president?


Skydog32103 - 2/1/2020 at 02:19 AM

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How many presidents have not had law degrees or previous political experience?


i don't truly believe you'd put the United States in the hands of Candace Owens. might this be intentionally provacative and not sincere?


adhill58 - 2/1/2020 at 03:51 AM

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I am going to have to say that the "totally inexperienced and unqualified outsider who tells it like it is" experiment has crashed and burned pretty spectacularly,.


Does that mean you would not vote for Hunter Biden, or actually anybody that has never held political office running for president?


Yes Jerry, that is what I was saying. The whole Republican "we don't need experts to tell us what to do" way of thinking is beyond stupid. If I get need my appendix removed, I am not going to go to my neighbor who is a carpenter because he's an "outsider" who may have some refreshingly different way of getting it out.

Also, I would never vote for Hunter Biden for anything. You did catch the point I was making was that the Republicans might want to nominate him because what he did with Burisma is essentially what George W. Bush did when he had a similar chance to profit from his last name?

And the military experience came into the discussion because Presidents though our history have either previously been elected office holders or military professionals or both. Only one has been a failed casino owner and reality TV diva "who got to the bottom of another President's birth certificate."


Jerry - 2/1/2020 at 05:11 AM

Thanks adhill58 for the info.


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