Thread: White Rage

BrerRabbit - 12/27/2019 at 10:40 PM

Interesting read. 2014 op-ed by Professor Carol Anderson on the racial divide, after Ferguson:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ferguson-wasnt-black-rage-against-c opsit-was-white-rage-against-progress/2014/08/29/3055e3f4-2d75-11e4-bb9b-99 7ae96fad33_story.html

And her follow up 2016 bestseller "White Rage":

https://www.professorcarolanderson.org/white-rage

Her latest op-ed Oct 2019 re impeachment:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/10/09/impeachment-is-latest-cha pter-battle-between-democracy-vs-white-supremacy/



[Edited on 12/28/2019 by BrerRabbit]


lukester420 - 12/29/2019 at 03:38 PM

The accompanying crickets show that this is a subject the “libertarians” don’t want to touch with a 20ft pole.


BrerRabbit - 12/29/2019 at 04:07 PM


It is an excellent book. Quick read - a flyby of a vast subject .


lukester420 - 12/30/2019 at 11:32 AM

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It is an excellent book. Quick read - a flyby of a vast subject .


I have read a lot of her op-Ed’s and find myself nodding in an agreeable fashion quote a bit. I bought White Rage for a friend, still waiting for her to finish it and let me read it. I’m ready to fold and just get my own copy


BIGV - 12/30/2019 at 03:18 PM

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The accompanying crickets show that this is a subject the “libertarians” don’t want to touch with a 20ft pole.


"White rage".....What a joke


Skydog32103 - 12/30/2019 at 03:46 PM

Rage is colorblind. Trump is just pouring gasoline on the fire, like the domestic terrorist he is.


BIGV - 12/30/2019 at 03:55 PM

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Rage is colorblind. Trump is just pouring gasoline on the fire, like the domestic terrorist he is.


You mean like Al Sharpton?


Skydog32103 - 12/30/2019 at 04:04 PM

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You mean like Al Sharpton?


Yes, I think Trump and Sharpton are 2 peas in a pod.....can you believe the Republicans actually WANTED their clown to be president?


goldtop - 12/30/2019 at 05:41 PM




BrerRabbit - 12/30/2019 at 06:30 PM

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. . . still waiting for her to finish it . . .


Loaning books is a risk. Have had some great ones borrowed forever. Or returned beat up and covered with motor oil. White Rage is worth a look. It is more like a summary of a lot of events and eras that merit more interest, such as Reconstruction.

btw, nice work starving the troll, gentlemen.


Wis608 - 12/31/2019 at 12:16 AM

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That goes both ways brother. If You don't believe it just the Whipping Post.Anybody can make those memes etc up.... Ignorance is bliss.


goldtop - 12/31/2019 at 12:28 AM

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That goes both ways brother. If You don't believe it just the Whipping Post.Anybody can make those memes etc up.... Ignorance is bliss.


Another green shirt guy moment...


I don't know anyone on the left making civil war threats or saying they'd rather be a Russian....comical at best... Nor do we have rallies where we listen to a idiot talk nonsense and think he's stable genius....


BrerRabbit - 12/31/2019 at 02:03 AM

As with any addiction, the rageaholic is unaware of the problem. While she addresses the historical, economic, and cultural aspects of White Rage, one angle Anderson does not cover is the actual addiction to adrenaline generated by rage - and how a skilled manipulator can be a pusher of this drug. To understand White Rage I found it helpful to read up on rageaholics:

Does any of the following seem familiar?

"While volunteering with SMART Recovery San Francisco as a group leader, I learned to view rageaholism as a frequent or habitual rage state brought about by irrational thinking. The rageaholic could be experiencing Low Frustration Tolerance, which is when an individual is demanding that life not present any frustrations. They lack the ability to think rationally about all the frustrations of daily life, for example, considering others’ point of view, or how things came to be this way over time (irrational thinking or “cognitive distortions” are discussed in depth in the book Feeling Good by David Burns).

The kind of irrational thinking that forms most of the core of the problem are demands – the individual believes reality SHOULD or MUST be how they DEMAND or PRESCRIBE it, and they go crazy with anger if it is not. Also called “musterbating,” or thinking in terms of “musts”, this is a psychological condition explored in depth by Albert Ellis who developed the cognitive therapy “REBT” (rational emotive behavior therapy, the basis for SMART recovery). Thus we can see that the rageaholic has an exaggerated sense of what they have a right to; they have problems being demanding and self-centered."

http://www.new-synapse.com/aps/wordpress/?p=106



lukester420 - 12/31/2019 at 11:11 AM

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That goes both ways brother. If You don't believe it just the Whipping Post.Anybody can make those memes etc up.... Ignorance is bliss.


Another green shirt guy moment...


I don't know anyone on the left making civil war threats or saying they'd rather be a Russian....comical at best... Nor do we have rallies where we listen to a idiot talk nonsense and think he's stable genius....


Typical Rump apologist. No arguments in terms of justifiably defending the s***** behavior of our commander in chump and his dip**** supporters other than “yeah, but you guys.......would Hilary be better?”


BrerRabbit - 12/31/2019 at 06:38 PM

Who of us would have been Abolitionist back when slavery was legal? Who would have rejoiced in the capture of escaped blacks because "IT'S THE LAW" ?



adhill58 - 12/31/2019 at 09:23 PM

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You mean like Al Sharpton?


Yes, I think Trump and Sharpton are 2 peas in a pod.....can you believe the Republicans actually WANTED their clown to be president?


Perfect analogy. I have used it before when right-wingers try to compare Trump to Obama. It would be similar to Democrats nominating Marianne Williamson this time around. The fact that he was ever taken seriously by anyone is just shocking.


BIGV - 12/31/2019 at 10:07 PM

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Who of us would have been Abolitionist back when slavery was legal? Who would have rejoiced in the capture of escaped blacks because "IT'S THE LAW" ?


Is it fair to judge the beliefs of yesteryear (Slavery) using today's mores?...

Is is possible..........That in to 50-100 years from now people will say... "I can't believe people stood by while children (Abortion) were killed?


lukester420 - 12/31/2019 at 11:06 PM

Fetuses aren’t children.


BrerRabbit - 12/31/2019 at 11:28 PM

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Is it fair to judge the beliefs of yesteryear (Slavery) using today's mores?...

Is is possible..........That in to 50-100 years from now people will say... "I can't believe people stood by while children (Abortion) were killed?


Abolitionists were not guided by "todays mores".

Re the straw man abortion deflection, laws against abortion are a modern phenomenon started in the 19th century then locked in during the Victorian era. Abortion has been used by women in all cultures since the beginning of the human race and was not the province of men. So the ancient abiding "more" is women handle that and men are none the wiser - the meddling of men in women's private and personal health concerns is a product of "today's mores" .





[Edited on 1/1/2020 by BrerRabbit]


lukester420 - 12/31/2019 at 11:41 PM

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Who of us would have been Abolitionist back when slavery was legal? Who would have rejoiced in the capture of escaped blacks because "IT'S THE LAW" ?


Is it fair to judge the beliefs of yesteryear (Slavery) using today's mores?...

Is is possible..........That in to 50-100 years from now people will say... "I can't believe people stood by while children (Abortion) were killed?


So questions about racism leads to you bringing up abortion? Nice try.

How many years has it been since the Emancipation Proclamation? Some people(quite possibly you and your little club) are still pouting about the repercussions today.


BrerRabbit - 1/1/2020 at 01:28 AM

The issue of "presentism" - the conceit of viewing history through todays lens - is a valid concern. However, accusations of presentism are all too often used as a subjective apologetic device.


BIGV - 1/1/2020 at 01:28 AM

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Fetuses aren’t children.


What are they?


BrerRabbit - 1/1/2020 at 01:31 AM

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What are they?


A part of a woman's body, and no business of yours.


BIGV - 1/1/2020 at 01:31 AM

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So questions about racism leads to you bringing up abortion? Nice try.


Racism, by today's definition. At the time the country was divided on this issue, similar to today's polarizing attempts at discussing abortion.


BrerRabbit - 1/1/2020 at 01:38 AM

Then content yourself with stating your views and spare us the hemhaw. You are against abortion, fine. You feel that slavery was justifiable in its time and place, fine.




[Edited on 1/1/2020 by BrerRabbit]


lukester420 - 1/1/2020 at 01:55 AM

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So questions about racism leads to you bringing up abortion? Nice try.


Racism, by today's definition. At the time the country was divided on this issue, similar to today's polarizing attempts at discussing abortion.


The question was referring to the time period in which slavery and the capture and return of freed slaves was the LAW in some states (the skirt you still hide behind today). You dodged it as usual with a “yeah what about”.
Typical snowflake


lukester420 - 1/1/2020 at 01:59 AM

I feel some unjust laws are worth breaking today in some states, so I break them as I would have in the 1860s and Reconstruction periods. As for BIIIIIGV you may feel the same way about breaking state laws today, but please stay away from any Planned Parenthood facilities

[Edited on 1/1/2020 by lukester420]


BIGV - 1/1/2020 at 02:42 AM

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Then content yourself with stating your views and spare us the hemhaw. You are against abortion, fine. You feel that slavery was justifiable in its time and place, fine.


I am NOT against abortion, merely raising the point that time plays havoc with narratives....




lukester420 - 1/1/2020 at 02:53 AM

.... You still dodged the question. No abortion, slavery. Do you condone it? Do you think “time playing havoc with narratives” excuses it’s practice. Why is it you always try to use rhetoric to get around denouncing slavery and racism. None of your BS “today’s definition” that you make up to try and dance around the point or as you would put it the skirt to hide behind, would you fight to preserve an economy based on slavery in any time period?

[Edited on 1/1/2020 by lukester420]


BrerRabbit - 1/1/2020 at 03:43 AM

I am actually digging this line of inquiry. The trouble with using charges of presentism is it challenges you to maintain total objectivity on all history, some aspects of which it can be impossible to avoid presentism, depending on your individual perspective.

For example, the Jewish Holocaust - I am quite guilty of presentism when thinking about Nazi Germany. I am totally unable to relate to the position of the common everyday Nazi who may well have been blissfully ignorant and certain the Jews were going to comfy work camps.


Jerry - 1/1/2020 at 04:54 AM

Can't read the WAPO without a subscription. Other article I've seen before and have a question about what came up in that article.
Since you've read it, does she believe that the War on Drugs was a "strategy" against Negroes?


BIGV - 1/1/2020 at 05:11 AM

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.... You still dodged the question. No abortion, slavery. Do you condone it? Do you think “time playing havoc with narratives” excuses it’s practice. Why is it you always try to use rhetoric to get around denouncing slavery and racism. None of your BS “today’s definition” that you make up to try and dance around the point or as you would put it the skirt to hide behind, would you fight to preserve an economy based on slavery in any time period?


I hereby denounce slavery. It was and remains forever wrong.

Do you think abortion is OK?


Jerry - 1/1/2020 at 05:17 AM

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.... You still dodged the question. No abortion, slavery. Do you condone it? Do you think “time playing havoc with narratives” excuses it’s practice. Why is it you always try to use rhetoric to get around denouncing slavery and racism. None of your BS “today’s definition” that you make up to try and dance around the point or as you would put it the skirt to hide behind, would you fight to preserve an economy based on slavery in any time period?


I hereby denounce slavery. It was and remains forever wrong.

Do you think abortion is OK?


My family thought it was wrong too. My people had been enslaved for over a millennia and a half from the Romans on down through the English.


lukester420 - 1/1/2020 at 05:35 PM

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.... You still dodged the question. No abortion, slavery. Do you condone it? Do you think “time playing havoc with narratives” excuses it’s practice. Why is it you always try to use rhetoric to get around denouncing slavery and racism. None of your BS “today’s definition” that you make up to try and dance around the point or as you would put it the skirt to hide behind, would you fight to preserve an economy based on slavery in any time period?


I hereby denounce slavery. It was and remains forever wrong.

Do you think abortion is OK?


Yes, yes I do. As a person without female reproductive organs, I have no dog in the fight, but I can see the human decency in letting a woman have the right to decide without being harassed by hordes of nosey bible thumpers outside a medical facility. There are grey areas sure, but I have no fundamental issue whatsoever with abortion.

See that? I answered a simple question without a deflection. Try it some time.

But now that I’ve answered the question, why do fetuses(not children) need this gold standard of protection but you don’t care about kids (actual children) growing up in a culture where they have to have active shooter drills as part of the curriculum?

Lemme guess, it has nothing to do with the guns and everything with the decaying moral fabric of America right?

I’ll do ya one better with another question, if gun violence in school is a result of moral decay as you would like to think, why is it ok to have a morally bankrupt man in the most powerful office in the free world who has most likely sponsored hundreds of abortions for his own personal benefit.


lukester420 - 1/1/2020 at 05:42 PM

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.... You still dodged the question. No abortion, slavery. Do you condone it? Do you think “time playing havoc with narratives” excuses it’s practice. Why is it you always try to use rhetoric to get around denouncing slavery and racism. None of your BS “today’s definition” that you make up to try and dance around the point or as you would put it the skirt to hide behind, would you fight to preserve an economy based on slavery in any time period?


I hereby denounce slavery. It was and remains forever wrong.

Do you think abortion is OK?


My family thought it was wrong too. My people had been enslaved for over a millennia and a half from the Romans on down through the English.


Time has ways of playing havoc with narratives


BrerRabbit - 1/1/2020 at 08:41 PM

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My people had been enslaved for over a millennia and a half from the Romans on down through the English.


A spell of Greco Roman civilizing was a good thing too, or they would still be uneducated ignorant superstitious savages in blue paint slaughtering each other and sailing around killing and marauding . . . oh wait, they still are. Bloody barbarians. At least they gave up the blue paint. Baby steps, baby steps.


Jerry - 1/1/2020 at 10:22 PM

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My people had been enslaved for over a millennia and a half from the Romans on down through the English.


A spell of Greco Roman civilizing was a good thing too, or they would still be uneducated ignorant superstitious savages in blue paint slaughtering each other and sailing around killing and marauding . . . oh wait, they still are. Bloody barbarians. At least they gave up the blue paint. Baby steps, baby steps.




Was going to post that I don't remember any Picts in the family tree, then remembered my maternal ancestors were from Scotland.


BrerRabbit - 1/1/2020 at 10:23 PM

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my maternal ancestors were from Scotland.


That would explain it.


Jerry - 1/2/2020 at 02:30 AM

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my maternal ancestors were from Scotland.


That would explain it.


Explain WHAT? Oh yeah, her maternal ancestors were German, and Prussian. Paternal was Scottish back as far as records were kept.


BrerRabbit - 1/4/2020 at 10:51 PM

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"White rage".....What a joke


Not exactly an in depth review. What caused you to dismiss the book ? I found it remarkably succinct, and a solid intro to much post Civil War history of which I was ignorant. Prof Anderson actually concurs with your views on Lincoln, and then some, as well as distributing the causes of black oppression more evenly across North and South than I have read elsewhere. Downside is there were some speculative generalizations that she needed to explain better, or perhaps not have brought up at all - but no more than in any history book, and not enough to sink a pretty clear and timely review of some buried history. Certainly deserves a place on the shelf alongside other well regarded works on these subjects.



[Edited on 1/5/2020 by BrerRabbit]


BrerRabbit - 1/5/2020 at 12:51 AM

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Explain WHAT?


It explains why a Scotsman would demand an explanation of why being Scottish explains it.

I understand these things, ton of Scottish here too.


Skydog32103 - 1/5/2020 at 01:13 PM

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What caused you to dismiss the book ?


Take a wild guess.


BrerRabbit - 1/5/2020 at 06:35 PM

I know my US history, and gotta say there is material in White Rage that blew me away. Yes I knew about the Black Codes and Jim Crow, but really no idea the extent. During Reconstruction and into the mid 20th century - the retaliation in the South that virtually continued slavery and the open hostility to blacks in the north. All the Emancipation did was change the word "slavery" - things didn't improve much until the 1960s. Essential reading on the subject.



[Edited on 1/6/2020 by BrerRabbit]


BrerRabbit - 1/13/2020 at 05:54 AM

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"White rage".....What a joke


What caused you to dismiss the book ?


Take a wild guess.






Because I think Professor Anderson is dumber than a box of rocks even though I have never read a word she wrote and have zero interest in this essential and fascinating, albeit disturbing, buried chapter of American history?


Jerry - 1/15/2020 at 08:33 PM

I finally got around to reading the short article on "Rageaholism" and think we have a few of those in here.
I need to get my daughter to suggest some of her colleagues read some of the threads in here and come up with what they think about the posters.


piacere - 1/16/2020 at 12:56 AM

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I finally got around to reading the short article on "Rageaholism" and think we have a few of those in here.
I need to get my daughter to suggest some of her colleagues read some of the threads in here and come up with what they think about the posters.


They'll need to get permission from the dean of the psychoanalytical department (Skydog32103) before they embark upon such an endeavor.


Jerry - 1/16/2020 at 01:29 AM

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I finally got around to reading the short article on "Rageaholism" and think we have a few of those in here.
I need to get my daughter to suggest some of her colleagues read some of the threads in here and come up with what they think about the posters.


They'll need to get permission from the dean of the psychoanalytical department (Skydog32103) before they embark upon such an endeavor.


What he don't know won't hurt him.


Skydog32103 - 1/16/2020 at 02:20 AM

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They'll need to get permission from the dean of the psychoanalytical department (Skydog32103) before they embark upon such an endeavor.


I'm flattered you've been thinking about me, jack*ss.


Jerry - 1/16/2020 at 02:43 AM

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They'll need to get permission from the dean of the psychoanalytical department (Skydog32103) before they embark upon such an endeavor.


I'm flattered you've been thinking about me, jack*ss.


Remember the thread: "Please Read: Personal Attacks will Result In A Ban"?

Contain your temper before something sad happens.


Skydog32103 - 1/16/2020 at 02:46 AM

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Remember the thread: "Please Read: Personal Attacks will Result In A Ban"?

Contain your temper before something sad happens.


Some random poster insulted me out of nowhere, so he was asking for it as far as I'm concerned. If that gets me banned, so be it. His post is right there in front of our eyes, so I don't see how my post is shocking.


Skydog32103 - 1/16/2020 at 02:58 AM

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What he don't know won't hurt him.


As for you, what post of mine warrants this insult? And if you disagree, how about asking me a question instead of joining in with some dude who doesn't contribute? And why are you 2 allowed to dish it out but I can't give it right back?


Jerry - 1/16/2020 at 03:04 AM

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Remember the thread: "Please Read: Personal Attacks will Result In A Ban"?

Contain your temper before something sad happens.


Some random poster insulted me out of nowhere, so he was asking for it as far as I'm concerned. If that gets me banned, so be it. His post is right there in front of our eyes, so I don't see how my post is shocking.


Just reminding you to be careful. Try to be nice to someone and this is what you get.
For a while we had a number of people get banned for what other posters thought were personal attacks.
Some, I agree were personal attacks. Others, just felt it was back and forth.
Some posters actually admitted they goaded the person into making the poster "react' to their comments so they would get banned.

How do you know it was an insult?
The "random" poster might just take what you posted back as a real insult and report it to Roland.
You didn't even name the "random poster" so it looks to me that you did a kneejerk post in response, not thinking it out.

So cool it down, be nice, and enjoy the ride.


Jerry - 1/16/2020 at 03:07 AM

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What he don't know won't hurt him.


As for you, what post of mine warrants this insult? And if you disagree, how about asking me a question instead of joining in with some dude who doesn't contribute? And why are you 2 allowed to dish it out but I can't give it right back?


What insult, and who is dishing out what?
Read my above post and figure it out.


Skydog32103 - 1/16/2020 at 03:21 AM

Yes sir! You can instead direct your order to the person who insulted me out of nowhere. Otherwise, mind your business.



[Edited on 1/16/2020 by Skydog32103]


BrerRabbit - 1/16/2020 at 03:28 AM

This book seminar thread is great! In case anyone got the wrong idea "White Rage" is a book title, not a thread activity suggestion.


Jerry - 1/16/2020 at 03:43 AM

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Yes sir! You can instead direct your order to the person who insulted me out of nowhere. Otherwise, mind your business.



[Edited on 1/16/2020 by Skydog32103]


In other words, you're going to keep up with what you do?
If you can't take a friendly warning, don't blame me for what happens.


Jerry - 1/16/2020 at 03:44 AM

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This book seminar thread is great! In case anyone got the wrong idea "White Rage" is a book title, not a thread activity suggestion.


who says we're all white?


BrerRabbit - 1/16/2020 at 04:57 AM

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who says we're all white?


Who sez we're all wong?

Seriously tho - good question. Certainly not me - I view "white" and "black" as more cultural standpoints than race anyway. Race is pretty much a racist concept.


goldtop - 1/16/2020 at 05:07 AM

From a post on twitter...

"The governor of Virginia had to declare a state of emergency because a bunch of armed white supremacists plan on storming the Capitol on Martin Luther King Day but please tell me more about how white supremacy and gun violence aren’t real problems."

No white rage. These guys look like they're having a nice club picnic they even brought tiki torches to make smores and sing campfire songs




lukester420 - 1/16/2020 at 11:21 AM

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From a post on twitter...

"The governor of Virginia had to declare a state of emergency because a bunch of armed white supremacists plan on storming the Capitol on Martin Luther King Day but please tell me more about how white supremacy and gun violence aren’t real problems."

No white rage. These guys look like they're having a nice club picnic they even brought tiki torches to make smores and sing campfire songs






This is why I have very little tolerance for folks who ignore these issues, mainly white nationalists. That picture is from 2017 not 1964.

I was reading about this and came across something.

“On a Facebook page organizing the gun rights demonstration hosted by the Virginia Citizens Defense League, several commenters expressed frustration at Northam's move to restrict guns from the Capitol grounds. One wrote, "This is simply a move to infringe on not only our 2nd Amendment rights but our 1st Amendment rights as well."

When I read that quote I could have sworn I’d found my way back to whipping post. Where does the 1st Amendment say you can organize with the intent of intimidating and demonstrate violent behavior?

If anyone finds the concept of white rage a joke given what happened in Charlottesville less than 3 years ago, they are akin to holocaust deniers. Delicate, delicate snowflakes who start to melt when they see white privilege being challenged.


BrerRabbit - 1/16/2020 at 12:10 PM

The tiki torches and screaming idiots are indeed disturbing, and certainly as bad as 1964 or 1864 - "White Rage" shows far worse: the cool calculated systematic overt oppression, all done legally in the capitols - denial of education funding, deliberate social hamstringing of blacks well into the 1970s. Truly chilling.

"White Rage" is a mind blower, this stuff is RECENT. And all over not just in the South at all. Has anyone else here checked it out?


MartinD28 - 1/16/2020 at 12:26 PM

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From a post on twitter...

"The governor of Virginia had to declare a state of emergency because a bunch of armed white supremacists plan on storming the Capitol on Martin Luther King Day but please tell me more about how white supremacy and gun violence aren’t real problems."

No white rage. These guys look like they're having a nice club picnic they even brought tiki torches to make smores and sing campfire songs






The governor is trying to prevent a redo of Charlottesville riots where Trump said there were good people on both sides. Do these people in the picture look like good people on one side? Got any idea of who they will support for president in this year's election?

The governor's actions for this weekend until Tuesday have been documented and are more than justified.


BrerRabbit - 1/16/2020 at 12:36 PM

You may be white, I may be cwazy . . .

Gotta say I will never look at a tiki torch the same way again.


lukester420 - 1/16/2020 at 01:38 PM

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The tiki torches and screaming idiots are indeed disturbing, and certainly as bad as 1964 or 1864 - "White Rage" shows far worse: the cool calculated systematic overt oppression, all done legally in the capitols - denial of education funding, deliberate social hamstringing of blacks well into the 1970s. Truly chilling.

"White Rage" is a mind blower, this stuff is RECENT. And all over not just in the South at all. Has anyone else here checked it out?

I'm going to pick it up again...Yeah, some of this stuff still goes on in terms of housing discrimination.
It's from 2010 but did you ever check out the Michelle Alexander book, "The New Jim Crow"?
http://newjimcrow.com/

[Edited on 1/16/2020 by lukester420]


BrerRabbit - 1/16/2020 at 05:15 PM

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. . . did you ever check out the Michelle Alexander book, "The New Jim Crow"?
http://newjimcrow.com/


Wasn't aware of the title, thx - found at public library


BIGV - 1/16/2020 at 05:23 PM

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"White Rage" is a mind blower, this stuff is RECENT. And all over not just in the South at all. Has anyone else here checked it out?


With your most logical "guess" what % of the U.S. population do You feel this type of mindset represents?


lukester420 - 1/16/2020 at 06:03 PM

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"White Rage" is a mind blower, this stuff is RECENT. And all over not just in the South at all. Has anyone else here checked it out?


With your most logical "guess" what % of the U.S. population do You feel this type of mindset represents?

Outspoken racists 10%
Quiet, closeted racists who don't march, probably 30% or more.

Seeing as there are still policies in place to discriminate against people looking for fair (up to code) and affordable housing, this mindset has obviously permeated the American subconscious. So much so that some people look for excuses to not denounce schmucks like David Duke or the League of the South....

[Edited on 1/16/2020 by lukester420]


BrerRabbit - 1/16/2020 at 07:02 PM

"White Rage" isn't about a mindset - it is a breakdown of cold hard facts from legislative records. Better to check out solid reporting on figures showing e.g. deliberate funding disparities for education, not small numbers either, funding for black education in some areas at 10% of white into the 1970s, housing as lukester pointed out, open resistance in state legislatures to integration into the present day.

No point in guessing at demographics of a "mindset". Even less point in discussing it with folks who's only interest is angling to shoot down info of which they are willfully ignorant. That mindset is certainly an individual right. Encouraging it in others is toxic.

Tell you what, read "White Rage" and then we can debate. It certainly has flaws, but I guarantee there is some material that is undeniable and will give anyone but the most hardened bigot pause to consider how little they are aware of 20-21st century race issues.


BIGV - 1/16/2020 at 07:18 PM

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"White Rage" isn't about a mindset


Sorry, that is exactly what it is, nothing more than another label.

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No point in guessing at demographics of a "mindset". Even less point in discussing it with folks who's only interest is angling to shoot down info of which they are willfully ignorant. That mindset is certainly an individual right.


"Willfully ignorant"....Too funny

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Tell you what, read "White Rage" and then we can debate. It certainly has flaws, but I guarantee there is some material that is undeniable and will give anyone but the most hardened bigot pause to consider how little they are aware of 20-21st century race issues.


Nothing could be further off my radar. It takes zero effort on my part to treat everyone I encounter with kindness and respect, until they venture off the path with the use of labels for behaviors they find "offensive"...

Your mileage may vary...


BrerRabbit - 1/16/2020 at 07:21 PM

Ok, well we certainly don't have to guess at your "mindset", looks like a concrete data point to me.


BrerRabbit - 1/16/2020 at 07:31 PM

quote:
Nothing could be further off my radar.


Would you go on any thread on any other subject to declare that you had zero interest in it? No of course not.

From your past posts you would not do the same thing on a thread on say a book about the Jewish Holocaust, you would support it or at the very least not go in and crap on the thread. A book about systemic racial inequality in America, here comes the troll dook.


BIGV - 1/16/2020 at 07:53 PM

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quote:
Nothing could be further off my radar.


Would you go on any thread on any other subject to declare that you had zero interest in it? No of course not.

From your past posts you would not do the same thing on a thread on say a book about the Jewish Holocaust, you would support it or at the very least not go in and crap on the thread. A book about systemic racial inequality in America, here comes the troll dook.


The "Jewish Holocaust" is a Fact.

"White Rage" is Absurd & Cockamamie.

Nice try though


BrerRabbit - 1/16/2020 at 07:56 PM


"White Rage" is the title of the book. The book is chock full of facts, some of which would surprise even you.


Skydog32103 - 1/16/2020 at 09:08 PM

quote:
It takes zero effort on my part to treat everyone I encounter with kindness and respect, until they venture off the path...


"I am kind and respectful until people venture of the path that I deem acceptable...."


BrerRabbit - 1/16/2020 at 09:20 PM

quote:
. . . until they venture off the path


Until they start a thread looking at root causes of problems I see as inherent genetic and cultural failings.

[Edited on 1/16/2020 by BrerRabbit]


MartinD28 - 1/16/2020 at 09:21 PM

FBI arrests 3 members of white supremacist group planning to attend Richmond pro-gun rally

https://wtvr.com/2020/01/16/3-members-of-white-supremacist-group-planning-t o-attend-virginia-pro-gun-rally/

RICHMOND, Va. -- Three members of a white supremacist group were arrested by the FBI early Thursday morning in Delaware and Maryland, according to Dave Fitz, a spokesman for the FBI’s Baltimore field office.

The three men were members of a neo-Nazi group known as The Base, which describes itself as an international network that is training its members to fight in a race war, according to the Counter Extremism Project.

A law enforcement official tells CNN that they believe men were planning to attend a pro-gun rally in Richmond on Monday.

The men have been identified as 33-year-old Brian Mark Lemley Jr., William 19-year-old Garfield Bilbrough IV, and 27-year-old Patrik Jordan Mathews.

They have been charged with multiple firearms and immigration-related offenses and are expected to appear in a Maryland federal court later Thursday.

Lemley Jr is accused of transporting a machine gun, as well as transporting a firearm and ammunition with intent to commit a felony, according to court documents.

Lemley and Bilbrough are also accused of transporting and harboring Mathews. a Canadian citizen and a former combat engineer in the Canadian Army Reserve, who is accused of illegally crossing into the US from Canada in August.

Mathews has been charged with transporting a firearm and ammunition with intent to commit a felony and being an alien in possession of a firearm and ammunition.

Patrik Jordan Mathews

CNN reports that Lemley and Matthews allegedly purchased more than 1,600 rounds of ammunition earlier this month, and practiced using the assault rifle at a gun range in Maryland, where FBI agents had set up a hidden camera to secretly record them as they practiced shooting, according to a criminal complaint.

The arrested come after Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam declared a temporary emergency ban on all weapons, including guns, from Capitol Square Friday through Tuesday ahead of the massive gun rights rally.

"We have received credible intelligence from our law enforcement agencies of threats of violence surrounding the demonstration planned for Monday," Northam said during a Wednesday news conference. "This includes extremist rhetoric similar to what has been seen before major incidents, such as Charlottesville in 2017."

Northam said militia and hate groups, some from out of state, plan to come to Virginia's Capitol to "disrupt our democratic process with acts of violence."

Examples, according to Northam, include "threats of storming our Capitol," weaponizing drones over Capitol Square and individuals conducting surveillance operations on Capitol entrances and exits.

Northam stressed the ban was temporary and will end when the state of emergency ends.


BrerRabbit - 1/16/2020 at 10:22 PM

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The three men were members of a neo-Nazi group known as The Base, which describes itself as an international network that is training its members to fight in a race war, according to the Counter Extremism Project.


"The Counter Extremism Project" . . . what a cockamamie absurd joke. I am kind and respectful towards everyone, so therefore these white spermracist nazis do not exist and they are just a few good ol boys being unfairly labeled by the Left.


BIGV - 1/17/2020 at 12:51 AM

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quote:
It takes zero effort on my part to treat everyone I encounter with kindness and respect, until they venture off the path...


"I am kind and respectful until people venture of the path that I deem acceptable...."


The last time we met in person, did I not treat you with respect?


Skydog32103 - 1/17/2020 at 01:09 AM

quote:
The last time we met in person, did I not treat you with respect?


Did I interpret your statement incorrectly?


BIGV - 1/17/2020 at 04:52 PM

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quote:
The three men were members of a neo-Nazi group known as The Base, which describes itself as an international network that is training its members to fight in a race war, according to the Counter Extremism Project.


"The Counter Extremism Project" . . . what a cockamamie absurd joke. I am kind and respectful towards everyone, so therefore these white spermracist nazis do not exist and they are just a few good ol boys being unfairly labeled by the Left.


Cool your jets turbo. I am not for one moment "Doubting their existence"....I just don't see it as the extremely threatening scenario you believe it to be.

Kind of similar to your thoughts on views concerning Illegal Aliens...."They are there, but how big a threat are they"?


BrerRabbit - 1/17/2020 at 05:10 PM

. . . And once again . . . drags thread into vaguely confrontational sideline with only purpose to foist an inarticulate bigotry upon the outer world.


lukester420 - 1/17/2020 at 05:56 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
The three men were members of a neo-Nazi group known as The Base, which describes itself as an international network that is training its members to fight in a race war, according to the Counter Extremism Project.


"The Counter Extremism Project" . . . what a cockamamie absurd joke. I am kind and respectful towards everyone, so therefore these white spermracist nazis do not exist and they are just a few good ol boys being unfairly labeled by the Left.


Cool your jets turbo. I am not for one moment "Doubting their existence"....I just don't see it as the extremely threatening scenario you believe it to be.

Kind of similar to your thoughts on views concerning Illegal Aliens...."They are there, but how big a threat are they"?


Is the illegal Canadian alien that manufactures machine guns, networks, recruits and trains for a Neo Nazi group a bigger threat than someone coming here to work and make a better life for their family fleeing gang violence?
Oh right guns and white immigrants are a good thing.


lukester420 - 1/17/2020 at 06:00 PM

quote:
. . . And once again . . . drags thread into vaguely confrontational sideline with only purpose to foist an inarticulate bigotry upon the outer world.


It’s hard being such a BIG strong individual against a wee little club.


goldtop - 1/17/2020 at 06:04 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
The three men were members of a neo-Nazi group known as The Base, which describes itself as an international network that is training its members to fight in a race war, according to the Counter Extremism Project.


"The Counter Extremism Project" . . . what a cockamamie absurd joke. I am kind and respectful towards everyone, so therefore these white spermracist nazis do not exist and they are just a few good ol boys being unfairly labeled by the Left.


Cool your jets turbo. I am not for one moment "Doubting their existence"....I just don't see it as the extremely threatening scenario you believe it to be.

Kind of similar to your thoughts on views concerning Illegal Aliens...."They are there, but how big a threat are they"?


OK I'll feed the troll....If you're you or me there probably isn't a huge threat because we fall into their window of what works for them...white...But if you a person of color or LGBTQ or Jewish or Muslim then they are a big threat and the fact that you can't wrap your head around that fact speaks volumes to your ignorance...EOS for me guys


BIGV - 1/17/2020 at 06:08 PM

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.But if you a person of color or LGBTQ or Jewish or Muslim then they are a big threat and the fact that you can't wrap your head around that fact speaks volumes to your ignorance...EOS for me guys


You are a riot. To disagree with you or not be able to see things through your rose colored glasses....

Please.


BrerRabbit - 1/17/2020 at 06:25 PM

... annnd . . . yet again converts another thread into personal ego-wank. You panned the book in your first post, didn't care to elaborate. Fine, Nobody challenged your "narrative".

[Edited on 1/17/2020 by BrerRabbit]


lukester420 - 1/17/2020 at 06:42 PM

quote:

OK I'll feed the troll....If you're you or me there probably isn't a huge threat because we fall into their window of what works for them...white...But if you a person of color or LGBTQ or Jewish or Muslim then they are a big threat and the fact that you can't wrap your head around that fact speaks volumes to your ignorance...EOS for me guys


He can’t help it. He seems to be one of those angry “working class” types who fell for the rich ruling class tactic of turning the working class against itself based on ethnic heritage.
For him to come to that realization at this point would crush his illusion that he is somehow better than everyone else because he’s UnnAmmmmurican.

Trust me, being working class is a lot more gratifying when you stand in solidarity with your brothers and sisters instead of bending to the will of those who want you stay subservient.

Now if anyone should choose to be offended by that, I suppose that’s their problem.

Anyway yeah, “White Rage” seems like an excellent read for anyone who can get over being offended by the title.


BrerRabbit - 1/17/2020 at 07:52 PM

Am a little ways into "The New Jim Crow", excellent, thx for the recommend lukester.

(Or I suppose I could just knee jerk at the title and hack up some ignorant bile like:' "The New Jim Crow" . . . what a joke', panning a book that I have zero idea what it is about, because I find the title offensive. And then when asked to elaborate I could just throw down an accusation of intolerance of narrative. Then crap all over the thread with vague insinuations and cry that I am being persecuted when folks draw the obvious conclusion.)


Skydog32103 - 1/17/2020 at 08:11 PM

quote:
But if you a person of color or LGBTQ or Jewish or Muslim then they are a big threat


quote:
To disagree with you or not be able to see things through your rose colored glasses....


Back to his point though, do you truly believe that hate groups and racist ideologies do NOT pose some level of a threat to minorities? Maybe there's no threat if the common worker hates minorities and keeps it to himself, but what about people in positions of authority who have power of thousands of people at a company, or millions in a city?


BrerRabbit - 1/17/2020 at 08:22 PM

You are simply intolerant of his "narrative".


Skydog32103 - 1/17/2020 at 08:33 PM

BIGV, here's an example from today's news from USA Today about Monday's march.

quote:
Three more suspected neo-Nazis connected to a white nationalist group that reportedly planned to have members at a gun rights rally in Virginia have been arrested, authorities say.

Three Georgia men were arrested on charges of conspiracy to commit murder and participating in a criminal street gang as part of the hate group, The Base, according to the Floyd County Police Department.

News of the arrests come a day after three other suspected members of The Base were arrested in Maryland on firearms and alien-harboring charges.

The three Georgia men, identified as Luke Austin Lane of Floyd County, Michael Helterbrand of Dalton and Jacob Kaderli of Dacula, were planning to "overthrow the government and murder a Bartow County couple," Floyd County police said in a statement.

The Base, the group of which the six men arrested this week allegedly are members, has been identified as a hate group committed to creating a white ethno-state. Police in Georgia say the group, founded around July 2018, seeks to "accelerate the downfall of the United States government, incite a race war and establish a white ethno-state."

One of the men arrested in Maryland, Patrik Jordan Mathews, 27, is a former Canadian Armed Forces reservist who was dismissed over ties to white supremacists; he allegedly entered the U.S. illegally in August.

According to an arrest affidavit, the Georgia men were arrested in connection with an undercover FBI operation during which an agent was accepted into the group and gained access to its encrypted online messaging applications.

The three men allegedly planned to murder a couple they believed to members of Antifa, the anti-fascist group. According to an arrest affidavit, Lane spearheaded the plot to kill the couple with the help of Kaderli and Helterbrand, however, the operation was delayed, in part because Helterbrand said he had a bad back.

On at least two occasions, the men along with the undercover agent drove to the couple's house to scope it out, the affidavit says. They also discussed burning the house down after the hit, the affidavit says.

At one point in the planning, the men discussed what would happen if their victims had children. Lane told Helterbrand they would "probably just leave them," but Helterbrand said he'd have "no problem killing a commie kid," the affidavit says.

The men allegedly settled on a February date to commit the murders. Lane also identified future targets who were members of television media, the affidavit says.

Lane also allegedly said he wanted to kill other members of The Base who knew about the plot and whom he feared would discuss it. According to the affidavit, a member of The Base in Maryland and one who had recently entered the United State illegally were his targets, however, those members were not named.

The affidavit describes the group as operating with regional cells for security purposes.

In Maryland, prosecutors said at a court hearing Wednesday that one of the men compared The Base to al-Qaida and discussed traveling to Ukraine to fight alongside "nationalists."

Prosecutors say Brian Mark Lemley Jr., 33, and William Garfield Bilbrough IV, 19, traveled to Michigan last year to pick up Mathews. The men have allegedly operated in Maryland and Delaware since, building an assault rifle, amassing ammo and trying to make DMT, a hallucinogenic drug, as they discussed The Base's activities.

The New York Times reported that The Base has become a growing concern for the FBI as the group recruits more people.

Contribtuing: The Associated Press. Follow USA TODAY's Ryan Miller on Twitter @RyanW_Miller





[Edited on 1/17/2020 by Skydog32103]


BrerRabbit - 1/17/2020 at 09:47 PM

Btw folks this is a Civil War friendly thread - any aspect of the Civil War is relevant to "White Rage", particularly Reconstruction.


BrerRabbit - 1/17/2020 at 09:54 PM

quote:
The three men were members of a neo-Nazi group . . .


Yet another Left label. Totally predictable Left reaction to anything that does not match their narrative. Yaaawwwnnn.


MartinD28 - 1/17/2020 at 11:52 PM

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quote:
The three men were members of a neo-Nazi group . . .


Yet another Left label. Totally predictable Left reaction to anything that does not match their narrative. Yaaawwwnnn.


Tiki torches are in vogue. Trump Nation. MAGA.


BrerRabbit - 1/18/2020 at 12:00 AM

quote:
Tiki torches are in vogue. Trump Nation. MAGA


Relax, snowflake - we are just having a big luau.


cyclone88 - 1/18/2020 at 12:56 PM

I don't see the problem w/the gov's state of emergency for what's now being called The Boogaloo in the former capitol of the Confederacy. The Light Foot Militia, banned in Charlottesville after that "rally" & white nationalist Richard Spencer who is a defendant in a case arising from Charlottesville will be attending.

The legislation that's so terrible?

After 12 people were killed in a mass shooting in Virginia Beach in the last year, the lower state house passed legislation to: 1) limit purchases of handguns to one each month; 2) require background checks; and 3) allow local governments to ban guns in parks and public buildings (choice not requirement).

I have no idea about the layout of downtown Richmond or what businesses might be open on a holiday weekend, but a ban on guns confined to the site of The Boogaloo aka The Lobby seems pretty tame.




Jerry - 1/19/2020 at 05:56 AM

quote:
I don't see the problem w/the gov's state of emergency for what's now being called The Boogaloo in the former capitol of the Confederacy. The Light Foot Militia, banned in Charlottesville after that "rally" & white nationalist Richard Spencer who is a defendant in a case arising from Charlottesville will be attending.

The legislation that's so terrible?

After 12 people were killed in a mass shooting in Virginia Beach in the last year, the lower state house passed legislation to: 1) limit purchases of handguns to one each month; 2) require background checks; and 3) allow local governments to ban guns in parks and public buildings (choice not requirement).

I have no idea about the layout of downtown Richmond or what businesses might be open on a holiday weekend, but a ban on guns confined to the site of The Boogaloo aka The Lobby seems pretty tame.




let's see Cyclone. Did you forget that the governor wants to use the national guard to search houses for firearms, any firearms?
How about they want to shut down privately owned firing ranges?
That the Virginia governor is himself someone who has professed white supremacy in the past?
In the Executive Order the governor describes the rally as a coming together for "violence, rioting, and insurrection".
Do a search and see how many anti-firearm laws and regulations are being proposed in the Virginia legislature.
If you don't like a proposed law, wouldn't you protest it during the legislative session.

Lastly, did you know that this is called the Lobby Day Rally, and is an annual event?
I do hope that the governor will make sure the same restrictions in his Executive Order is imposed for those
who oppose the rally since those attending the rally have the right of equal protection under the law.
I'm still wondering when a helmet became a weapon.


lukester420 - 1/19/2020 at 12:57 PM

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I'm still wondering when a helmet became a weapon.


Probably when people began swinging them at each other.
Seriously who brings SWAT and riot gear to a "peaceful lobbying demonstration".

There's protection then there's intimidation, if you feel the need to bring riot shields and a helmet to a rally I have to question your intentions.

Six people were caught red handed planning to cause mayhem and violence that are part of a Neo Nazi group but we're still looking for reasons to stick up for these idiots.

Whatever my beliefs were, if i constantly found myself on the same side of Neo Nazis I would probably be forced to reevaluate my my life.

[Edited on 1/19/2020 by lukester420]


cyclone88 - 1/19/2020 at 02:34 PM

quote:
let's see Cyclone. Did you forget that the governor wants to use the national guard to search houses for firearms, any firearms?
How about they want to shut down privately owned firing ranges?
That the Virginia governor is himself someone who has professed white supremacy in the past?
In the Executive Order the governor describes the rally as a coming together for "violence, rioting, and insurrection".
Do a search and see how many anti-firearm laws and regulations are being proposed in the Virginia legislature.
If you don't like a proposed law, wouldn't you protest it during the legislative session.

Lastly, did you know that this is called the Lobby Day Rally, and is an annual event?
I do hope that the governor will make sure the same restrictions in his Executive Order is imposed for those
who oppose the rally since those attending the rally have the right of equal protection under the law.
I'm still wondering when a helmet became a weapon.


The post to which I responded was about the firearms ban on the Capitol grounds for the weekend when the annual lobby day was going to address the 3 issues the lower state house has ALREADY passed. I confined my response to that as I don't follow Virginia politics.

Otherwise, I've no opinion on books I haven't read which seems to be the topic of the thread so have nothing more to say.

I'm far more interested in getting a response to my Laid Back re-issue question as to how Mercury - a label that no longer exists in any form that I know of - can be the producer. Perhaps no one knows the answer.




Jerry - 1/19/2020 at 02:52 PM

quote:
quote:
I'm still wondering when a helmet became a weapon.


Probably when people began swinging them at each other.
Seriously who brings SWAT and riot gear to a "peaceful lobbying demonstration".
___________________________________________________________________________ ____________
More than likely folks that don't want to get hurt by the anti-protest protesters
___________________________________________________________________________ ____________

There's protection then there's intimidation, if you feel the need to bring riot shields and a helmet to a rally I have to question your intentions.
___________________________________________________________________________ _____________

Again, if the rule is enforced to all groups there shouldn't be a problem.
___________________________________________________________________________ ____________


Six people were caught red handed planning to cause mayhem and violence that are part of a Neo Nazi group but we're still looking for reasons to stick up for these idiots.
___________________________________________________________________________ _____________

That is true, but they aren't affiliated with the two organizations that are holding the rally.
They would probably plan the same thing for a Gay Rights Rally or any group that doesn't fit their image of what
they think is "American".
___________________________________________________________________________ _____________


Whatever my beliefs were, if i constantly found myself on the same side of Neo Nazis I would probably be forced to reevaluate my my life.
___________________________________________________________________________ _____________

Have you seen anything anywhere that links the rally itself with Neo-Nazis? How many times have you seen groups that had no connection at all with what was going on show up and cause trouble at protests and marches? The Virginia governor is doing his best to convince people that the rally is to cause "violence, rioting, and insurrection", and has tried his best to stop a legal, annual, happening.
Lobby Day is there for citizens to show up and present their reasons to not pass legislation they think is not needed or detrimental to their group.
The firearms owner groups can still carry their firearms in Richmond, they just won't be able to bring them onto the Capitol grounds, or in the location where the yearly protests are held since he declared an open area a "shelter".
I don't need to reevaluate my life because of some people that hate.

[Edited on 1/19/2020 by lukester420]


lukester420 - 1/19/2020 at 04:05 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
I'm still wondering when a helmet became a weapon.


Probably when people began swinging them at each other.
Seriously who brings SWAT and riot gear to a "peaceful lobbying demonstration".
___________________________________________________________________________ ____________
More than likely folks that don't want to get hurt by the anti-protest protesters
___________________________________________________________________________ ____________

There's protection then there's intimidation, if you feel the need to bring riot shields and a helmet to a rally I have to question your intentions.
___________________________________________________________________________ _____________

Again, if the rule is enforced to all groups there shouldn't be a problem.
___________________________________________________________________________ ____________


Six people were caught red handed planning to cause mayhem and violence that are part of a Neo Nazi group but we're still looking for reasons to stick up for these idiots.
___________________________________________________________________________ _____________

That is true, but they aren't affiliated with the two organizations that are holding the rally.
They would probably plan the same thing for a Gay Rights Rally or any group that doesn't fit their image of what
they think is "American".
___________________________________________________________________________ _____________


Whatever my beliefs were, if i constantly found myself on the same side of Neo Nazis I would probably be forced to reevaluate my my life.
___________________________________________________________________________ _____________

Have you seen anything anywhere that links the rally itself with Neo-Nazis? How many times have you seen groups that had no connection at all with what was going on show up and cause trouble at protests and marches? The Virginia governor is doing his best to convince people that the rally is to cause "violence, rioting, and insurrection", and has tried his best to stop a legal, annual, happening.
Lobby Day is there for citizens to show up and present their reasons to not pass legislation they think is not needed or detrimental to their group.
The firearms owner groups can still carry their firearms in Richmond, they just won't be able to bring them onto the Capitol grounds, or in the location where the yearly protests are held since he declared an open area a "shelter".
I don't need to reevaluate my life because of some people that hate.

[Edited on 1/19/2020 by lukester420]



Whatever helps ya sleep at night.
Regardless what the rally is for, were members of the groups, The Base and the intentionally provocative chickens*** League of the South planning on attending?


That in itself requires actions to make sure there is not another tragedy.


[Edited on 1/19/2020 by lukester420]


BrerRabbit - 1/19/2020 at 05:42 PM

Nazis are @ssholes and suck hitler dessicated corpse testicle dust. So all hoo-hah aside, glad to hear da bastids got busted.

I simply cannot tolerate their "narrative".


goldtop - 1/19/2020 at 05:54 PM

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Nazis are @ssholes and suck hitler dessicated corpse testicle dust. So all hoo-hah aside, glad to hear da bastids got busted.

I simply cannot tolerate their "narrative".


^^^^ This all day. I come from a family that was invested heavily into WWII. I have family in the national cemetery and I think we should do to Nazi's here exactly what we did to them in Europe...

You want to spout that ideology then expect to be receive the same treatment as the Nazi's in WWII...You want to live like a Nazi....fine then we should treat you as such


Skydog32103 - 1/19/2020 at 07:50 PM

I couldn't help but laugh out loud when I read that the gang initiated an undercover FBI agent....morons.


lukester420 - 1/19/2020 at 08:44 PM

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I couldn't help but laugh out loud when I read that the gang initiated an undercover FBI agent....morons.


Mensa members they are not. Did you see the mugshots? That fat kid from GA looks like he uses his face to blot his bacon.


BrerRabbit - 1/19/2020 at 09:35 PM

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. . . uses his face to blot his bacon



haha


BrerRabbit - 1/19/2020 at 09:38 PM

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. . .the gang initiated an undercover FBI agent....morons.


Ok, gotta go back and read this. Sounds like comedy gold.


BrerRabbit - 1/19/2020 at 09:41 PM

Only one line on the undercover FBI Nazi gang member. Too bad, man I would love to have been able to listen to that agent's wire, I bet it is hilarious.


Jerry - 1/19/2020 at 11:52 PM

quote:
Nazis are @ssholes and suck hitler dessicated corpse testicle dust. So all hoo-hah aside, glad to hear da bastids got busted.

I simply cannot tolerate their "narrative".


Let's all remember that they are not the ones who are planning the rally, nor are organizing it.

They may show up, but they are about as welcome as Antifa.


BIGV - 1/20/2020 at 01:50 AM

quote:
Nazis are @ssholes and suck hitler dessicated corpse testicle dust. So all hoo-hah aside, glad to hear da bastids got busted.

I simply cannot tolerate their "narrative".


Good stuff coming from a poster who described the detention facilities at the border as "Concentration Camps"....


BIGV - 1/20/2020 at 01:51 AM

quote:
Seriously who brings SWAT and riot gear to a "peaceful lobbying demonstration".


Antifa?


Skydog32103 - 1/20/2020 at 02:06 AM

There's a few people getting defensive over criticism of neo-nazis......you may want to re-think that.


lukester420 - 1/20/2020 at 02:35 AM

quote:
There's a few people getting defensive over criticism of neo-nazis......you may want to re-think that.


I know. Every single time someone talks about Neo nazis and other various scum, there are some here quick to make excuses for them. Whether they are “wanted” at these rallies by the organizers or not, the fact of the matter is they frequently show up and they are always there in support of the right wing view points.
Reminds me of a saying a teacher used to say to me, “If you don’t want to be accused of doing dumb s***, don’t associate with morons that do dumb s***.

I was waiting for the name of the conservative’s boogeyman to come out..
Now that I have two Antifa mentions I think I can laugh myself to sleep.



Skydog32103 - 1/20/2020 at 02:48 AM

quote:
I know. Every single time someone talks about Neo nazis and other various scum, there are some here quick to make excuses for them. Whether they are “wanted” at these rallies by the organizers or not, the fact of the matter is they frequently show up and they are always there in support of the right wing view points.
Reminds me of a saying a teacher used to say to me, “If you don’t want to be accused of doing dumb s***, don’t associate with morons that do dumb s***.

I was waiting for the name of the conservative’s boogeyman to come out..
Now that I have two Antifa mentions I think I can laugh myself to sleep.


Some people get wrapped up in the drama so much that they end up with egg on their face...been happening since the beginning of time.


BrerRabbit - 1/20/2020 at 05:12 AM

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Good stuff coming from a poster who described the detention facilities at the border as "Concentration Camps"....


Just nippin it in the bud brother. Best to catch these things when they are small. Maybe if Germans had spoken up early on their internment work camps wouldn't have morphed into fullblown death camps.

Thinking "it can't happen here" is a guarantee that it can happen here. Sorry if the concentration camp term was too strong - really. However, the alarm is worthwhile, puts the system on notice that we aren't going to let the camps get worse. There are prominent Holocaust survivors and scholars who feel that the concentration camp analogy is accurate in this, and serves as a red flag to caution against indifference.

That's the most reasonable non-confrontational reply I can offer to why I called the border camps "concentration camps".


BIGV - 1/20/2020 at 06:03 AM

quote:
Thinking "it can't happen here" is a guarantee that it can happen here.


If you really and truly believe this, I don't know what to tell you. Me? I have to place more faith in humankind than that.

It can not and will never happen here.


BrerRabbit - 1/20/2020 at 07:42 AM

quote:
If you really and truly believe this, I don't know what to tell you. Me? I have to place more faith in humankind than that.

It can not and will never happen here.


I do believe it. The cold hard reality that it has happened in the past, many times, the roundup and slaughter and enslavement of populations, even right here in the Land of the Free - so commonplace it tells me that it can happen again, anywhere. America is not exempt from the patterns of history.

Perhaps you did not notice but out of respect for your reaction to the term "concentration camp" being used for anything other than WW2 German death camps I refrained from using the term since.

So no reason to repeatedly refer to me calling the border detention faciliries concentration camps. I explained why I used rhe term.

Nuf said.

And a great Martin Luther King day to you sir.



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BrerRabbit - 1/20/2020 at 08:09 AM


Since you brought it up, here is a good little interview on this:

Are ICE Detention Centers Concentration Camps?

Boston Universty’s Elie Wiesel Center director on whether alum Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’ comparison went too far

The moment US Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez released an Instagram live video on Monday, June 17, where she said the government was “running concentration camps on our southern border,” it was only a matter of time—minutes really—before critics pounced. All last week, those critics said Ocasio-Cortez (CAS’11), the freshman congresswoman from New York, was demeaning Holocaust victims by comparing concentration camps to the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention centers. They said she needed to go back and study up on history. Chuck Todd, moderator of NBC’s Meet the Press, said the immigration detention centers and concentration camps are “not at all comparable in the slightest.”

So are they? Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) wouldn’t back down, tweeting two days after her video: “Kids are dying and I’m not here to make people feel comfortable about that.”

For context, we reached out to Michael Zank, a College of Arts & Sciences professor of religion and of Jewish studies and director of BU’s Elie Wiesel Center for Jewish Studies. A Holocaust survivor and a member of the BU faculty for 40 years, Wiesel (Hon.’74), who died in 2016, won the 1986 Nobel Peace Prize, and the BU center has become a voice for compassion and human rights.

Q&A

BU Today: According to Alexandria Ocasio Cortez: “They are concentration camps. I want to talk to the people that are concerned enough with humanity to say that ‘never again’ means something. The fact that concentration camps are now an institutionalized practice in the ‘home of the free’ is extraordinarily disturbing and we need to do something about it.” Your reaction?

Zank: The phrase “never again” cannot just mean “never again the Holocaust.” The past does not repeat itself, but it can be investigated and learned from. That, and only that, is the point of historiography. Holocaust, or Shoah, refers to the extermination of six million Jews by the Germans and their many henchmen in many European countries, during the war of 1939 to 1945. But the Holocaust did not begin with extermination camps. It began with the German state consolidating all power and sources of influence under the control of a single party organization, with the elimination of freedom of the press, and with the establishment of concentration camps for political opponents. In the beginning, when Dachau was established as the first of these camps, as early as 1933, the local police registered complaints against unlawful killings having taken place there. The report was repressed, which emboldened the SS in what they could do without the public raising a fuss. Whenever the public objected, such as when a courageous Catholic priest raised his voice against the state-ordered euthanasia of mentally ill and physically handicapped people, the state immediately stopped these killings. The Holocaust was possible because people didn’t care about the fate of the Jews, because they were taught to see them as enemies, and because most people never witnessed the actual killings. As Elie Wiesel pointed out, worse than hatred is indifference. Indifference allowed Jews to be systematically deprived of their rights, deported, dehumanized, enslaved, and mass-exterminated. Indifference is the issue.

A better slogan, instead of “never again,” is the German “Wehret den Anfängen,” which means: “Resist the beginnings.” How can we be indifferent when we see thousands of innocent civilians, fleeing murder and abuse in their countries of origin, rounded up and placed in detention centers, abused, families separated, people placed in cages, children dying? We need to stop dehumanizing migrants and brutalizing our law-enforcement agents. We need to reunite the families that were separated at the border instead of keeping them apart. We need better policies at the border, and we need to change US policies that have led to many of the conditions in the countries these people are trying to escape. We need to take care of the roots of poverty and crime in the countries of origin that have led to this wave of migration in the first place.

BU Today: Do you see any comparison or similarity between the detention facilities at the southern border and the German camps or the US camps for Japanese during World War II?

Zank: Rep. Ocasio-Cortez is right to pierce our general indifference to this humanitarian disaster unfolding at our southern border by using strong language. By referring to the caging of asylum seekers as “concentration camps,” she managed to get our attention. The analogy is correct, as many scholars have confirmed.

BU Today: Ocasio-Cortez critic Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) said AOC’s comments “demean the memory of the six million Jews exterminated in the Holocaust.” And she quoted from Israeli Holocaust research center Yad Vashem and included a link to its web page on Nazi concentration camps. Do you think AOC demeaned the memory of the victims?

Zank: If someone is dragging the Holocaust into US politics, it is Rep. Cheney, not Rep. Ocasio-Cortez. Ms. Cheney is trying to deflect Ms. Ocasio Cortez’s intervention on behalf of the victims of the harsh US border policies in order to defend the immigration policies of the current administration.

BU Today: Do any of Elie Wiesel’s words come to mind about the dialogue happening today? Would he have been a helpful voice in the current heated debate?

Zank: It would be presumptuous of me to claim that I know what Elie Wiesel might have said or done, were he alive today. I can only say that Elie Wiesel has left us a mandate to speak truth to power, to be unafraid to call out injustice and human rights violations anywhere we see them. I am proud that BU alumna Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is doing exactly that.

http://www.bu.edu/articles/2019/are-ice-detention-centers-concentration-cam ps/

[Edited on 1/20/2020 by BrerRabbit]


goldtop - 1/20/2020 at 04:32 PM

Richmond VA today...yep no White Rage


OriginalGoober - 1/20/2020 at 04:33 PM

Looks like the Pro 2nd Amendment March 99.9% peaceful with no disrupters.

Not sure this guy looks combat ready, and more like a kid with a new toy, that is some serious firepower. He is a gun range owner so I respect his right to own this kind of hardware.


goldtop - 1/20/2020 at 04:36 PM

Yep...no White Rage




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BrerRabbit - 1/20/2020 at 04:37 PM

Nice pix of folks recognizing MLK Day !


Rusty - 1/20/2020 at 04:38 PM

quote:
Looks like the Pro 2nd Amendment March 99.9% peaceful with no disrupters.




Hey! It's Phyllis Smith from "The Office"!


BrerRabbit - 1/20/2020 at 04:45 PM

Wonder what would happen if these gun protest guys were all black?


Rusty - 1/20/2020 at 04:50 PM

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Wonder what would happen if these gun protest guys were all black?


You'd probably hear the word, "repeal" coming from the mouths of a lot of "conservative Christians".


BrerRabbit - 1/20/2020 at 04:59 PM

haha for sure - you know the sight of African Americans outside a state capitol armed to the teeth in combat gear would cause quite a stir.


lukester420 - 1/20/2020 at 05:32 PM

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Wonder what would happen if these gun protest guys were all black?


You'd probably hear the word, "repeal" coming from the mouths of a lot of "conservative Christians".


Dave Chappelle had a joke about that on his last special. Talking about the craziness of school shootings he said "it's time for black people to save America.....again. Every able bodied African American has to go out and buy a firearm."

That's probably a poor paraphrasing, maybe I'll have to watch it again today.


goldtop - 1/20/2020 at 05:34 PM

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haha for sure - you know the sight of African Americans outside a state capitol armed to the teeth in combat gear would cause quite a stir.


You mean like this





The Mulford Act was a 1967 California bill that repealed a law allowing public carrying of loaded firearms. Named after Republican assemblyman Don Mulford, and signed into law by then governor of California, Ronald Reagan, the bill was crafted in response to members of the Black Panther Party who were conducting armed patrols of Oakland neighborhoods while they were conducting what would later be termed copwatching.[1] They garnered national attention after the Black Panthers marched bearing arms upon the California State Capitol to protest the bill.[2][3][4]

Assembly Bill 1591 was introduced by Don Mulford (R) from Oakland on April 5th, 1967, and subsequently co-sponsored by John T. Knox (D) from Richmond, Walter J. Karabian (D) from Monterey Park, Frank Murphy Jr. (R) from Santa Cruz, Alan Sieroty (D) from Los Angeles, and William M. Ketchum (R) from Bakersfield,[5]. AB-1591 was made an “urgency statute” under Article IV, §8(d) of the Constitution of California after “an organized band of men armed with loaded firearms [...] entered the Capitol” on May 2nd, 1967[6]; as such, it required a 2/3 majority in each house. It passed the Assembly (controlled by Democrats 42:38) at subsequent readings, passed the Senate (split 20:20) on July 26th by 29 votes to 7[7], and was signed by Governor Ronald Reagan on July 28th, 1967. The law banned the carrying of loaded weapons in public. [8]

Both Republicans and Democrats in California supported increased gun control. Governor Ronald Reagan, who was coincidentally present on the capitol lawn when the protesters arrived, later commented that he saw "no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons" and that guns were a "ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will." In a later press conference, Reagan added that the Mulford Act "would work no hardship on the honest citizen."[9]

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BrerRabbit - 1/20/2020 at 05:36 PM



From Atlanta Black Star
https://atlantablackstar.com/2018/03/02/nra-gun-control-black-people-compli cated-history/

"The Black Panther Party for Self Defense, the pioneers of the modern-day gun rights movement and the original proponents of open carry, faced opposition from the NRA. When the Black nationalist group, which formed to protect their community from police violence, invaded the California capitol building in Sacramento in 1967, then-Governor Ronald Reagan signed the Mulford Act in response, prohibiting open carry of guns in public places."


BrerRabbit - 1/20/2020 at 05:37 PM

@goldtop

JINX


BrerRabbit - 1/20/2020 at 05:40 PM


Gotta say the Panthers sure look a lot more smooth than those raggedy Richmond dudes.


BrerRabbit - 1/20/2020 at 05:42 PM

And btw nice segue back to Black History for MLK Day


goldtop - 1/20/2020 at 05:45 PM

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@goldtop

JINX


I'm a bay area native and remember these times very well. As soon as the black panthers decided to be a "militia" the state stepped in with "gun restriction" legislation...and Yes the panthers dressed well...unlike the white trash that pick MLK day to have this rally, of course, it was just a kowinkydink they want to do it on this day

Low lives livin' the low life


MartinD28 - 1/20/2020 at 06:22 PM

From Richmond, Va

These are the militia that will protect us all from the big bad government. Factions include the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and American Guard. You have to be impressed with the Right Wing Death Squad amongst others. Outstanding & good people.

Thousands Of Pro-Gun Activists And Far-Right Extremists Swarm Richmond, Virginia

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/richmond-virginia-pro-gun-activists-far-righ t-extremists-142024623.html


cyclone88 - 1/20/2020 at 07:02 PM

quote:
From Richmond, Va

These are the militia that will protect us all from the big bad government. Factions include the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and American Guard. You have to be impressed with the Right Wing Death Squad amongst others. Outstanding & good people.

I find it hard - impossible - to believe that the Proud Boys' RWDS have a clue who Pinochet was and couldn't find Chile on a map if their lives depended on it. [I also think the news report included underestimates the number of Chileans killed, detained, and tortured during his regime is under-reported by 1/2 - more like 80,000.]

Nice of Trump to weigh in by tweet that Virginia dems are "working hard to take away your 2nd amendment rights." Not incendiary at all. Frankly, the photos of armed white men im combat gear freely roaming the streets of downtown Richmond w/military style weapons - away from the lobby event at the Capitol - seems like a really bad idea.


MartinD28 - 1/20/2020 at 07:10 PM

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quote:
From Richmond, Va

These are the militia that will protect us all from the big bad government. Factions include the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and American Guard. You have to be impressed with the Right Wing Death Squad amongst others. Outstanding & good people.

I find it hard - impossible - to believe that the Proud Boys' RWDS have a clue who Pinochet was and couldn't find Chile on a map if their lives depended on it. [I also think the news report included underestimates the number of Chileans killed, detained, and tortured during his regime is under-reported by 1/2 - more like 80,000.]

Nice of Trump to weigh in by tweet that Virginia dems are "working hard to take away your 2nd amendment rights." Not incendiary at all. Frankly, the photos of armed white men im combat gear freely roaming the streets of downtown Richmond w/military style weapons - away from the lobby event at the Capitol - seems like a really bad idea.


Agree - The idea of armed white men in combat gear roaming the streets in downtown "any city USA" is not only a really bad idea but a time bomb waiting to go off. Combining too much macho testosterone with guns is not a good cocktail mix.


goldtop - 1/20/2020 at 07:26 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
From Richmond, Va

These are the militia that will protect us all from the big bad government. Factions include the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and American Guard. You have to be impressed with the Right Wing Death Squad amongst others. Outstanding & good people.

I find it hard - impossible - to believe that the Proud Boys' RWDS have a clue who Pinochet was and couldn't find Chile on a map if their lives depended on it. [I also think the news report included underestimates the number of Chileans killed, detained, and tortured during his regime is under-reported by 1/2 - more like 80,000.]

Nice of Trump to weigh in by tweet that Virginia dems are "working hard to take away your 2nd amendment rights." Not incendiary at all. Frankly, the photos of armed white men im combat gear freely roaming the streets of downtown Richmond w/military style weapons - away from the lobby event at the Capitol - seems like a really bad idea.


Agree - The idea of armed white men in combat gear roaming the streets in downtown "any city USA" is not only a really bad idea but a time bomb waiting to go off. Combining too much macho testosterone with guns is not a good cocktail mix.


So what do you think would happen if someone threw a few fire crackers right now...


BrerRabbit - 1/20/2020 at 07:38 PM

For sure, or Dennis the Menace running thru firing a cap gun.

Anyone know what that black star on the gun protest banner represents?


MartinD28 - 1/20/2020 at 08:24 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/f-msnbc-reporter-heckled-2nd-181724108. html


‘F— You!’ MSNBC Reporter Heckled at 2nd Amendment Rally

File this under Phi Beta Kappa - Trump & one of his loyal followers.


Skydog32103 - 1/20/2020 at 08:31 PM

Another highlight was from last week or so when the protestors tried to claim that their second amendment rights were being violated by the city since they were banning firearms in the area. Someone had to sadly let them down by saying, "To protect your 2nd Amendment right, you can simply avoid the area.", LOL.


Jerry - 1/20/2020 at 10:02 PM

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Yep...no White Rage




[Edited on 1/20/2020 by goldtop]


Couldn't see the photos even after I put them into my browser. They must have been taken down cause there's nothing on the screen.


Jerry - 1/20/2020 at 10:03 PM

quote:
Another highlight was from last week or so when the protestors tried to claim that their second amendment rights were being violated by the city since they were banning firearms in the area. Someone had to sadly let them down by saying, "To protect your 2nd Amendment right, you can simply avoid the area.", LOL.


They were then told they could carry their firearms anywhere but on the Capitol grounds, which is state law.


Jerry - 1/20/2020 at 10:05 PM

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quote:
Wonder what would happen if these gun protest guys were all black?


You'd probably hear the word, "repeal" coming from the mouths of a lot of "conservative Christians".


Probably very much so since nobody wants to deny any person of color their Constitutional Rights.


Jerry - 1/20/2020 at 10:07 PM

quote:
Looks like the Pro 2nd Amendment March 99.9% peaceful with no disrupters.

Not sure this guy looks combat ready, and more like a kid with a new toy, that is some serious firepower. He is a gun range owner so I respect his right to own this kind of hardware.




Barrett .50 caliber, not the sniper version, but it is a bolt action.


BrerRabbit - 1/20/2020 at 11:55 PM

That guy is so out of shape in the time it would take him to react, turn around, handle that cannon, you could have already cowtipped him and relieved him of his weapon. A gun is no substitute for the best Godgiven survival tool, the ability to move. All the firepower in the world won't prevent myocardial infarction.


goldtop - 1/21/2020 at 01:10 AM

quote:
That guy is so out of shape in the time it would take him to react, turn around, handle that cannon, you could have already cowtipped him and relieved him of his weapon. A gun is no substitute for the best Godgiven survival tool, the ability to move. All the firepower in the world won't prevent myocardial infarction.


The Fat Phuck Brigade...they run 30 yards then need 6mo of rehab. I wonder if any of them have contemplated the power of the US Military and what they would really be facing with their pop guns...Could you imagine the look on their face as soon as some fighter jet came in on them...or they turn the corner and there's a tank aimed at them


Jerry - 1/21/2020 at 01:17 AM

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That guy is so out of shape in the time it would take him to react, turn around, handle that cannon, you could have already cowtipped him and relieved him of his weapon. A gun is no substitute for the best Godgiven survival tool, the ability to move. All the firepower in the world won't prevent myocardial infarction.


Well, the sniper version will make you a target at over a mile and a half. All he would have to do is see you, adjust the sights for windage and elevation, and squeeze the trigger.
Practice makes you good at targeting, but at over $3.65 per round for BMG ammo, 50 cal match is $7.69 per round, that makes practice an expensive affair.
Really, all he would have to do is fire off 5 rounds, get to his 4 wheeler and drive about a half mile and do it again, while everybody is still about a half to three quarters of a mile away.


goldtop - 1/21/2020 at 01:29 AM

quote:
quote:
That guy is so out of shape in the time it would take him to react, turn around, handle that cannon, you could have already cowtipped him and relieved him of his weapon. A gun is no substitute for the best Godgiven survival tool, the ability to move. All the firepower in the world won't prevent myocardial infarction.


Well, the sniper version will make you a target at over a mile and a half. All he would have to do is see you, adjust the sights for windage and elevation, and squeeze the trigger.
Practice makes you good at targeting, but at over $3.65 per round for BMG ammo, 50 cal match is $7.69 per round, that makes practice an expensive affair.
Really, all he would have to do is fire off 5 rounds, get to his 4 wheeler and drive about a half mile and do it again, while everybody is still about a half to three quarters of a mile away.


So under what "Make America Great Again" are we sniping our own citizens...That's whacked and that's the crap that whacked people think about. So are they going to snipe people over *Donald J Trump? Is *Donald J Trump worth shooting your neighbor for?...oh by the way he'd phuck you every way sideways he could if he thought it would save his hide...and all the whack-a-do's too. So before you go backing him ya might want to consider what he's do for you. Think about Michael Cohen...think it through


Jerry - 1/21/2020 at 02:24 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
That guy is so out of shape in the time it would take him to react, turn around, handle that cannon, you could have already cowtipped him and relieved him of his weapon. A gun is no substitute for the best Godgiven survival tool, the ability to move. All the firepower in the world won't prevent myocardial infarction.


Well, the sniper version will make you a target at over a mile and a half. All he would have to do is see you, adjust the sights for windage and elevation, and squeeze the trigger.
Practice makes you good at targeting, but at over $3.65 per round for BMG ammo, 50 cal match is $7.69 per round, that makes practice an expensive affair.
Really, all he would have to do is fire off 5 rounds, get to his 4 wheeler and drive about a half mile and do it again, while everybody is still about a half to three quarters of a mile away.


So under what "Make America Great Again" are we sniping our own citizens...That's whacked and that's the crap that whacked people think about. So are they going to snipe people over *Donald J Trump? Is *Donald J Trump worth shooting your neighbor for?...oh by the way he'd phuck you every way sideways he could if he thought it would save his hide...and all the whack-a-do's too. So before you go backing him ya might want to consider what he's do for you. Think about Michael Cohen...think it through


And just where in the post did you get that information?, or better yet delusion?


BrerRabbit - 1/21/2020 at 03:05 AM

quote:
Well, the sniper version will make you a target at over a mile and a half


Point taken. Again, in the scenario you describe, the ability to move, caution, awareness of surroundings will serve you better than hardware. You would do better to gauge the best sniper positions, stay out of sight, sneak up on the guy when he is distracted pounding his twinkies.


goldtop - 1/21/2020 at 04:32 AM

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Well, the sniper version will make you a target at over a mile and a half


Who exactly is "you", another American citizen? This is who he brought his weapon out against. This is who he's trying to intimidate. He's not trying to intimidate the Iranians, or ISIS, he's in the middle of an American city along with many others armed against exactly who? Who's the target in your scenario...you said "you" as though you're talking to the rabbitman...he's an American citizen as far as I know. So the sniper is targeting rabbitman an American citizen?


Jerry - 1/21/2020 at 04:34 AM

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quote:
Well, the sniper version will make you a target at over a mile and a half


Point taken. Again, in the scenario you describe, the ability to move, caution, awareness of surroundings will serve you better than hardware. You would do better to gauge the best sniper positions, stay out of sight, sneak up on the guy when he is distracted pounding his twinkies.


Or, you could just use this:
https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/photos-u-s-armys-super-cannon/


Skydog32103 - 1/22/2020 at 07:23 PM

quote:
Who exactly is "you", another American citizen? This is who he brought his weapon out against. This is who he's trying to intimidate. He's not trying to intimidate the Iranians, or ISIS, he's in the middle of an American city along with many others armed against exactly who? Who's the target in your scenario...you said "you" as though you're talking to the rabbitman...he's an American citizen as far as I know. So the sniper is targeting rabbitman an American citizen?


Trump is normalizing radical domestic terrorism. He’s already asked for violence against other Americans multiple times.


BrerRabbit - 1/22/2020 at 10:59 PM

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Trump is normalizing radical domestic terrorism. He’s already asked for violence against other Americans multiple times.


It is mind numbing.






BrerRabbit - 1/23/2020 at 12:02 AM

Why is it considered anti Trump of me to post pictures of pro Trump people?


Skydog32103 - 1/23/2020 at 12:47 AM

wow, that's quite an image. i roll my eyes at the nazi chump on the left, but the fella on the right is downright heartbreaking. just look at his posture and his self-description. nobody's telling him to put himself in those categories.


BrerRabbit - 1/23/2020 at 12:55 AM

Interesting point - shows how they got played on low self esteem.


gotdrumz - 1/23/2020 at 01:02 AM

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Why is it considered anti Trump of me to post pictures of pro Trump people?




It sucks they exist, but there are also full fledged communists that support Bernie & other far left politicians.

Nazis are bad, but communists lead in the genocide department by 10x or so? Not to mention the damage done to the people subjected to that ideology all over the globe currently and in the past.

Not saying all far left are communist, just like you can,t blanket all Trump supporters as nazis.

I usually just let all the lemmings here on both sides do their thing. It's is comedy at its best. Both parties are full of corrupt liars that only care about money and power. If you think they care about their constituents for more than voting them into office...you are over estimating not only your intelligence, but your sense of self-preservation. People need to rely on themselves as a community, compromise to find solutions that benefit their community, and not buy into fixing society as a whole & the notion the government can do it better.

My hope is people start focusing on individual character building, as opposed to the hive minded mentality that jades both sides of our current political ideologies, and the factions within them as well. But the powers that be want everyone bickering, so what really is going on can happen (hopefully) unnoticed? Quit watching corporate media propaganda and take the time to check things out for yourself.


Skydog32103 - 1/23/2020 at 02:07 AM

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It sucks they exist, but there are also full fledged communists that support Bernie & other far left politicians.

Nazis are bad, but communists lead in the genocide department by 10x or so? Not to mention the damage done to the people subjected to that ideology all over the globe currently and in the past.

Not saying all far left are communist, just like you can,t blanket all Trump supporters as nazis.


"but your side has them too"...we know there are scum on both sides. the far ends of the spectrum are labeled "extreme" for a reason - they are crazy people. why get defensive when criticizing Nazis? i don't get this trend. where are the neo-communist rallies in broad daylight? show me!


BrerRabbit - 1/23/2020 at 02:18 AM

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why get defensive when criticizing Nazis?


I bet it is really aggravating to have them on your side if you aren't one. Must be awkward to be a regular MAGA type, bring your family to a rally and have to explain to Junior when he points to a swastika and asks "what is that, Dad?"


Skydog32103 - 1/23/2020 at 03:40 AM

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Both parties are full of corrupt liars that only care about money and power. If you think they care about their constituents for more than voting them into office...you are over estimating not only your intelligence, but your sense of self-preservation.

Quit watching corporate media propaganda and take the time to check things out for yourself.


ok, then if we ignore the media propaganda, good and bad, and check things out for ourselves, then what we have left is our own judgment of the politicians' speeches. We can listen to them ourselves and form an opinion. who in the ever-loving hell can listen to a Trump speech and say to themselves, "i want him in charge of us all." he marketed himself as a bad hostile person who was trashing every aspect of the United States, and people were attracted to it. speaks volumes.


cyclone88 - 1/23/2020 at 12:28 PM

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Interesting point - shows how they got played on low self esteem.


Who dates these guys? Given the choice, wouldn't women pick a guy who looks like he's had a shower, doesn't need to wear some adolescent-type tee shirt about a politician & doesn't need to travel in packs?


cyclone88 - 1/23/2020 at 12:31 PM

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Why is it considered anti Trump of me to post pictures of pro Trump people?

It sucks they exist, but there are also full fledged communists that support Bernie & other far left politicians.



But the head communist - Putin - supports Trump.


lukester420 - 1/23/2020 at 02:20 PM

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quote:
Interesting point - shows how they got played on low self esteem.


Who dates these guys? Given the choice, wouldn't women pick a guy who looks like he's had a shower, doesn't need to wear some adolescent-type tee shirt about a politician & doesn't need to travel in packs?


Exactly. This is why I am in stitches when hearing these types make their claim, “The minorities take all the jobs and women!”
1. Women are not possessions or an entitlement.
2. Take a shower, maybe brush your teeth once in a while and stop being a generally toxic, foul, infantile human being and maybe a potential employer or date might actually give you the time of day.


BrerRabbit - 1/23/2020 at 03:03 PM

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Who dates these guys?



gotdrumz - 1/23/2020 at 03:08 PM

My intent wasn't to defend anyone/thing or feed into the childish us versus them mentality that eats away at the sanity of our populace. It's sad that anything construed as opposition automatically gets attacked and we wonder WTF is wrong? When there is too much emotion involved, one reacts. Usually in a manner that isn't going to change anyone viewpoint/perspective/opinion. More often than not, it just makes others wonder what is wrong with that person? So why would anyone try to respond to that. So you get reaction, no response, no exchange of dialogue (substantial/pertinent), much less anything resembling a compromise and/or solution. It is a vicious cycle that virtually repeats itself everywhere. Groundhogs Day without the humour. It isn't normal adult behavior to most humans, but somehow has become accepted as the norm. Some need to grow up.

As to quit watching corporate media propaganda...That is an individual choice as to whether one wants to be brainwashed/manipulated into believing a narrative based on agenda. Go for it. Figure bias and facts or lack there of is meaningless as long as it pushes some emotional button. If one listens to a speech and has to tune in to see how they should think (I believe that was the reply?) That is a problem in itself. There are still actual journalists around and the freedom of information act is another tool to get info from to help in coming to your own conclusion(s)

Everyone have a great day and try to remember that one form of hate is just as bad as another. There is no merit system applied to one form over another. Hate is hate and it feeds on itself. He a part of the solution and not the problem



BrerRabbit - 1/23/2020 at 03:34 PM

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Who dates these guys?


Sometimes me and the fellas get kinda fired up after the rally we pincushion our "Trumpkin"


goldtop - 1/23/2020 at 03:44 PM

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Who dates these guys?


Sometimes me and the fellas get kinda fired up after the rally we pincushion our "Trumpkin"




Those holes are way to large....LOL


Skydog32103 - 1/23/2020 at 04:23 PM

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My intent wasn't to defend anyone/thing or feed into the childish us versus them mentality


But you did bring up the communists on the left to make a comparison, so what was the purpose of that?

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If one listens to a speech and has to tune in to see how they should think (I believe that was the reply?) That is a problem in itself. There are still actual journalists around and the freedom of information act is another tool to get info from to help in coming to your own conclusion(s)


no, you misunderstood. I imagine most people tune into a presidential speech so they can see and hear for themselves what’s being presented to them, and then form their own opinions and judgments based on their own eyes and ears, and not rely on propaganda.

I just find it bizarre that people could listen to his speeches and then think he’d make a good leader. I refuse to believe this was the case. I think they knew he’s not cut out, and dangerous. His election was an act of rebellion by people who wanted revenge for god knows what. So why elect him? You can’t tout economy unless you know how to measure it (can’t point to the fake news article enemy as evidence), so that’s all b.s. what we have left is his speeches and rhetoric. my point is, people don’t support trump because of stats they can’t measure - they elected him because they liked his speeches.....the ones where he trashed America, asked for violence towards Americans, asked for Russia to hack us, and mocked the handicapped.....you know, those speeches.

The Fox News media propaganda presented his speeches in a nice beautiful acceptable sellable package. aren’t you indicting Trump supporters in your message for buying the package, and for failing to “Quit watching corporate media propaganda and take the time to check things out for yourself.” And if they did check things out for themself, then what do you have to say to those who didn’t need the nice package from Fox - that they wanted the man making those trashy speeches because they “liked the way he talked”? Should people elect a man who trashes the country, its government, its people, and asks for violence? The left has never done this, so there shouldnt be any talk of that unless they elect a Louis Farrakhan type, which is exactly what the right did.


BrerRabbit - 1/23/2020 at 04:58 PM

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Those holes are way to large....LOL


Here is a quarter for scale:








MartinD28 - 1/23/2020 at 05:17 PM

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I just find it bizarre that people could listen to his speeches and then think he’d make a good leader. I refuse to believe this was the case. I think they knew he’s not cut out, and dangerous. His election was an act of rebellion by people who wanted revenge for god knows what. So why elect him? You can’t tout economy unless you know how to measure it (can’t point to the fake news article enemy as evidence), so that’s all b.s. what we have left is his speeches and rhetoric. my point is, people don’t support trump because of stats they can’t measure - they elected him because they liked his speeches.....the ones where he trashed America, asked for violence towards Americans, asked for Russia to hack us, and mocked the handicapped.....you know, those speeches.




I think you're giving way too much credit to Trump's audiences and impact issues such as the economy example you referenced. I've seen enough "man on the street Q & A" of people being asked about Trump and his polices where people are clueless to articulate an answer. Same thing goes to focus groups I've seen. Think about it - Many many people can't even name the senators from their state. Not to defend Trump, but this is a problem that crosses party lines. I do think that it's accented more with Trump and the the angry cult mentality that he gins up. He knows exactly what he's doing and preys upon a certain mindset and vulnerability.


BrerRabbit - 1/23/2020 at 06:18 PM

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I just find it bizarre that people could listen to his speeches . . .


Same here. I heard a few words a couple times, happy to report I pretty much have kept that garbage out of my head.


gotdrumz - 1/23/2020 at 06:30 PM

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But you did bring up the communists on the left to make a comparison, so what was the purpose of that?




It is called comparison... The ability to bring up say x and y is just that, period. Try looking up the word "defending" in the dictionary and see the difference. Also I quantified my statement with, " it sucks that they exist" . So in context (important aspect when it comes to reading comprehension), how could you surmise I was defending them? Proves my point about where people seem to automatically take everything


cyclone88 - 1/23/2020 at 06:39 PM

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I just find it bizarre that people could listen to his speeches and then think he’d make a good leader. I refuse to believe this was the case. I think they knew he’s not cut out, and dangerous. His election was an act of rebellion by people who wanted revenge for god knows what. So why elect him? You can’t tout economy unless you know how to measure it (can’t point to the fake news article enemy as evidence), so that’s all b.s. what we have left is his speeches and rhetoric. my point is, people don’t support trump because of stats they can’t measure - they elected him because they liked his speeches.....the ones where he trashed America, asked for violence towards Americans, asked for Russia to hack us, and mocked the handicapped.....you know, those speeches.



I think you're giving way too much credit to Trump's audiences and impact issues such as the economy example you referenced. I've seen enough "man on the street Q & A" of people being asked about Trump and his polices where people are clueless to articulate an answer. Same thing goes to focus groups I've seen. Think about it - Many many people can't even name the senators from their state. Not to defend Trump, but this is a problem that crosses party lines. I do think that it's accented more with Trump and the the angry cult mentality that he gins up. He knows exactly what he's doing and preys upon a certain mindset and vulnerability.


They're 2 separate groups. The people who listened to the speeches & heard his nasty venomous rhetoric obviously agree w/it or at the very least wanted to upset the status quo of 16 years. How he came to be the candidate is what's bizarre to me except he essentially used his celebrity, physical size & bragging ways to bully people like Jeb Bush right off the stage & out of the race.

The others who are single issue voters (guns, abortion) simply don't care who he is or where his whims & tantrums might lead. They're glad planes were flown into skyscrapers in liberal NYC.

Whatever it is that causes people to support him, it's working in the Senate chamber. For 8+ hours yesterday, prosecutors laid out the timeline of Trump's crimes. In what seemed like boring repetition, the prosecutors presented each undisputed fact followed by a clip of Trump saying "Russia, are you listening? or telling reporters "China should get in on the investigation, too" or something equally contradictory. McConnell & Co never flinched. They didn't like having to watch it crammed down their throats w/o being able to respond, but they watched it w/o blinking. An objective person watching it would have to conclude "yes, that man used his office for personal political gain which is prohibited by the constitution." But there are at least 51 people who aren't going to voice that conclusion.




Skydog32103 - 1/23/2020 at 08:23 PM

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It is called comparison... The ability to bring up say x and y is just that, period. Try looking up the word "defending" in the dictionary and see the difference. Also I quantified my statement with, " it sucks that they exist" . So in context (important aspect when it comes to reading comprehension), how could you surmise I was defending them? Proves my point about where people seem to automatically take everything


I saw and acknowledge that you didn’t defend the nazis. But people are making the point that Trump is energizing and mobilizing a horrible group of Neo nazis for whatever reason. To make a comparison to the left is you being defensive of the association between the nazis and Trump. Crazy people are on all sides, as we all know. The desire to make a comparison was the defense.


BrerRabbit - 1/23/2020 at 08:46 PM

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I think you're giving way too much credit to Trump's audiences . . .


Ya think ? There was just a post here all joyous over the "Lock Her Up" chant being revived at a recent rally.


BrerRabbit - 1/23/2020 at 09:28 PM


gotdrumz - 1/23/2020 at 11:42 PM

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To make a comparison to the left is you being defensive of the association between the nazis and Trump. Crazy people are on all sides, as we all know. The desire to make a comparison was the defense.




That makes no sense. Say you are talking about oranges in association with Trump cause he moved to Florida and I say they also have kiwi. Does that automatically .mean I am defending or opposing either fruit? Now if I were to szy, "I like kiwis better", that would be preference & perhaps defending one over the other. If you assume comparing correlates with defending one or another without applying context to what else was stated then you have a thinking problem. Everything isn't an attack on ideology, no wonder people are so jaded over this crap.


BrerRabbit - 1/24/2020 at 12:14 AM


Jerry - 1/24/2020 at 02:42 AM

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Well, the sniper version will make you a target at over a mile and a half


Who exactly is "you", another American citizen? This is who he brought his weapon out against. This is who he's trying to intimidate. He's not trying to intimidate the Iranians, or ISIS, he's in the middle of an American city along with many others armed against exactly who? Who's the target in your scenario...you said "you" as though you're talking to the rabbitman...he's an American citizen as far as I know. So the sniper is targeting rabbitman an American citizen?


And I bet you didn't even notice in my post on 1/20/2020 @ 5:07 PM, "not the sniper version".
And the later post was about the sniper version, which again, I think you didn't notice. Brer did. Why didn't you


Jerry - 1/24/2020 at 02:49 AM

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Why is it considered anti Trump of me to post pictures of pro Trump people?




Could the guy on the left be an "undercover" for a Democratic candidate?
Did anyone ask him if he really is a nazi?


Skydog32103 - 1/24/2020 at 03:07 PM

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Could the guy on the left be an "undercover" for a Democratic candidate?
Did anyone ask him if he really is a nazi?


interesting choice of words....you chose a word used to describe the actions of a police officer observing suspected criminal behavior.


BrerRabbit - 1/24/2020 at 04:55 PM

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Did anyone ask him if he really is a nazi?


Why bother? Of course he isn't a "real nazi" he is a myopic simpleton with fierce b.o. and flies buzzing around the seat of his pants due to toilet paper failure.


Jerry - 1/25/2020 at 11:17 PM

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Could the guy on the left be an "undercover" for a Democratic candidate?
Did anyone ask him if he really is a nazi?


interesting choice of words....you chose a word used to describe the actions of a police officer observing suspected criminal behavior.




You mean "ask"?


BrerRabbit - 1/27/2020 at 01:20 AM

Doesn't matter if he is a "real nazi" or not - anyone who wears a swastika armband is an @sshole. Anyone in the picture frame is an @sshole too for hangin out with him.


goldtop - 1/27/2020 at 01:39 AM

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Doesn't matter if he is a "real nazi" or not - anyone who wears a swastika armband is an @sshole. Anyone in the picture frame is an @sshole too for hangin out with him.


It's a sad day for America when you actually have to explain this...phucking madness...I say do with them exactly what we did to them in Europe....wanna play Nazi then give them the full treatment...


BrerRabbit - 1/27/2020 at 01:59 AM


BrerRabbit - 2/9/2020 at 02:37 AM

Interesting experience recently with my racist programming - a first. Kinda hard to describe - I thought it was hilarious, but I am sure it could be taken any old way -

here goes: Was in the grocery store checkout line and the guy behind me was a blazing nazi skinhead, the whole uniform, spidy elbow tat, 88, iron cross, skulls, black Danner boots, suspenders, bald, total cliché. Way more nazi than the mouthbreather in the photo above. Well, anyone who has endured my posts knows I have an open hatred of nazis, can't help it, got it from my parents, serious WW2 stuff.

Here is the funny and hard to describe part: you know how when you are trying to show you aren't a racist sexist or homophobe or whatever, so you sort of overcompensate and are too respectful so it is awkward so you end up looking kinda racist anyway? But the point is at least you are trying, and thats a good thing.

So, I found myself being extra friendly to this White Supremacist guy, like, excuse me, here ya go, are these in your way, oh you dropped this, whatever, in that same obnoxious indulgent toward minorities way. First time I ever felt I had to be extra nonracist around a white person. Like this poor lil White Supremacist nazi guy was an oppressed minority. Like if you are too white you are an exotic ethnic or something.

Strange Days have found us. And now karma got me - I was a longhair but had to shave off all my hair for chemo so now I look like a skinhead. Whaddyagonnado.

[Edited on 2/9/2020 by BrerRabbit]


Jerry - 2/12/2020 at 07:27 PM

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Interesting experience recently with my racist programming - a first. Kinda hard to describe - I thought it was hilarious, but I am sure it could be taken any old way -

here goes: Was in the grocery store checkout line and the guy behind me was a blazing nazi skinhead, the whole uniform, spidy elbow tat, 88, iron cross, skulls, black Danner boots, suspenders, bald, total cliché. Way more nazi than the mouthbreather in the photo above. Well, anyone who has endured my posts knows I have an open hatred of nazis, can't help it, got it from my parents, serious WW2 stuff.

Here is the funny and hard to describe part: you know how when you are trying to show you aren't a racist sexist or homophobe or whatever, so you sort of overcompensate and are too respectful so it is awkward so you end up looking kinda racist anyway? But the point is at least you are trying, and thats a good thing.

So, I found myself being extra friendly to this White Supremacist guy, like, excuse me, here ya go, are these in your way, oh you dropped this, whatever, in that same obnoxious indulgent toward minorities way. First time I ever felt I had to be extra nonracist around a white person. Like this poor lil White Supremacist nazi guy was an oppressed minority. Like if you are too white you are an exotic ethnic or something.

Strange Days have found us. And now karma got me - I was a longhair but had to shave off all my hair for chemo so now I look like a skinhead. Whaddyagonnado.

[Edited on 2/9/2020 by BrerRabbit]


did shaving your head make you look like Telly Savales, or Brad Meltzer?


BrerRabbit - 2/12/2020 at 07:40 PM

More like David Bowie in The Man Who Fell to Earth. Eyebrows, beard too. I'm getting used to it. When I get done am growing it back tho, Im comfortable as a raggedyass longhair

dammit anyone else gettin sick of other peoples sigs getting tacked on their posts?

[Edited on 2/12/2020 by BrerRabbit]


Jerry - 2/12/2020 at 08:10 PM

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More like David Bowie in The Man Who Fell to Earth. Eyebrows, beard too. I'm getting used to it. When I get done am growing it back tho, Im comfortable as a raggedyass longhair

dammit anyone else gettin sick of other peoples sigs getting tacked on their posts?

[Edited on 2/12/2020 by BrerRabbit]


I haven't been here since Feb 7. Had a "minor" procedure on my lower back that turned into a lot more than minor problem.
What sigs are you talking about?


BrerRabbit - 2/12/2020 at 08:29 PM

Yeah sorry you are getting dragged thru the streets of Medicalville man, it really sucks. There I was minding my own business, feelin great, went in for a checkup then WHAM, getting my ass kicked yknow?

"Sigs" those signatures under our posts. i keep getting other peoples, drives me nuts, sometimes I get ginas Allah one


Jerry - 2/12/2020 at 08:38 PM

Think somebody might be hacking your account. if people can hack into the Microsoft mail server and get over a million ids, you would think it wouldn't be hard to get in here.


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